I read something really odd topic on a forum a little while ago, sorry but I don't remember the site I saw it on. The person who started the thread said that he believes sadism/masochism are signs of demon infestation. I think this sounds rather stupid, but I would like to know what others think about this. I personally believe in demons, but I don't think that your preferences really reflect that you are possessed. Demons seem to be a convenient excuse for explaining what makes people uncomfortable. Any thoughts?

That is the first I have ever heard of that!! Whoever wrote that, was obviously misinformed. A person can blame a Demonic on anything they want, doesnt mean its true. Demonic infestation, "normally" go hand and hand with a Demonic haunting, so with that said, my thoughts are, that statement is ridiculous..JN

It really is. I can kind of understand why someone might think a sadist is infested by a demon, but not how that person connected masochism to demons.

However, doesn't mean it isn't true either. Demons might not even exist. Someone could say demons are the manifestation of spider fecal matter but who is to say he is wrong? The bible? The teachings passed down generation to generation? An opinion is an opinion no matter what way you look at it, but misinformed, who is to say you aren't misinformed? Who is to say that your information wasn't "theorized" many moons ago?

NOTHING is concrete with the unknown so NO ONE is misinformed.

Yes nothing is concrete with the unknown, but in this case the unknown really doesn't apply. Sadism/masochism have already been designated as pyschological preferences, whether subconcious or concious. The many causes for them are pretty much proven as well aren't they?

If that were the case, why not throw prostitution in with that? LOL..You are correct!! They are preferences, fetishes and many murderers fall into the sadistic category, but IMO it has nothing to do with Demonic infestation. That stage is directly before possession, so again I say NOPE..JN

i do not believe in demons, yet i am not saying that they are not real. who knows. none of knows any thing. we can not prove a single thing. nothing can be proven either. i have yet to meet any person that can prove some thing to me. but thats just me.


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Just sounds like a convenient excuse to condemn something they either don't understand, don't approve of, or makes them uncomfortable, IMO.

Nothing can be proven at this point

People like to punish themselves. I don't think it has Demon written on it.

I agree with 419

I agree and also take pride in punishing another, and sometimes it results in death. But like you, I dont believe it has anything to do with Demonics...JN

Confused. Are you speaking about yourself personally? as in you take pride in punishing andother resulting in death?

I have sadistic personality traits, and I suffer a bit from Sadism. Does that make me infested with a demon? Not necessarily. I believe in demons, as I have had my own experiences. It is a possibility, but it does not mean everyone who does have that personality disorder has it. That, however, would make it hard to distinguish who has a demonic infestation.

I believe you misinterpreted my post. I was discussing Sadistic behavior which can result in death. As I said, many even serial killers get excited and a rush for decapatating their victims for example. That is what I meant..JN

gotcha. thank you for clarifying that. Why would I even think that, you're justnormal, not a sadist...lol.

LOL No problem and between us, I am not so normal...

Demons will let you carry on with your lifestyle, if it is a bad one, and unconciously encourage you to continue on that path. That's when they have you. Otherwise they are dormant until they see you starting to make bad judgements or just not care about where your life is leading.People who use this as an excuse for their misdoings are just copping out and trying to get a lesser sentence for their crimes. Funny how they all find Jesus while they are on the inside...
Each person is totally responsible for his/her actions in life...and if one chooses the wrong path...well there are nice little demons and evil entities just hungering for them and they'll bother you more if they know you are going to a better place and WILL try to prevent you from getting there.
So....(sorry for rambling...) in a nutshell, I do NOT believe that a person can say "The Devil made me do it..."
We all have free will.
A temporary lack of judgement is the only cause.
Think twice before you act!!

I have to agree with the recent posts placing the claims of late, demonic possessions as an excuse for trial defense. But I would also consider just what demons are, and their purpose, and functions as they move among us. Demonic influence does not mean a full invasion or possession by an evil entity...just influence. The old devil whispering in your ear, so to speak. I believe this is what the OP is referring to. And you can generally blame anything evil or bad on this scenario. Or the evil or bad actions humans participate in. However, we must remember that humans are quite capable of evil on their own (probably). If you were possessed and murdered the clerk down the street, would possession be a defense? Possibly, if you could prove it. What about demonic influence? Absolutely not. We are influenced everyday by myriads of external stimuli, yet we draw decissions with our own free will. A friendly suggestion from a friend is influential, yet hardly enough to force one to do their bidding. So demons may influence us daily, but it is no excuse for our behavior.

I, myself, know a little about the subject matter at hand (BDSM), and can tell you that it isn't always a little friendly slap and tickle that adults play. It is in fact a very large underground culture, that is often very dark and sinister. It is very prevalent in the UK. ~Jackal

LOL COOL CUFFS!! Correct Demonics surely can influence some, but I dont feel S&M is part of their agenda lol..When a Demonic influences a person, that person changes their entire mood, and can be overcome with various emotions, to a massive degree. But I dont believe in people's every day lives they are influenced to do horrible things, and yes, free will is what its all about....Is a Dominatrix possessed or influenced? I think not, its a job and sometimes a turn on for her and ALL her clients, but its not evil, just kinky. Ok nuff said lol..JN

Well, it's about time we had a difference in opinion. I disagree. ~Jackal

LMAO OK When I had my Demonic haunting/infestation, there were 2 times I was influenced. The first time, I woke in the morning SO ANGRY I could barely beathe. I was out for blood and thats so not me. I called my Demonolist, and left the poor guy a voice mail that I detested him, hated him and would love to kill him. Okie dokie.. Second time, I wanted to die completely and the real ME is not in any way suicidal. Thank God I had someone on here or two rather, pray with me, and talk me out of it. My Demonoligist called that night and said I wasnt the first person who wanted to kill him LOL..He walked me thru how to get past it, and what to do IF it happened again. There were a few other episodes but nothing as severe, so I knew what I had to do, and it worked. But I dont think the public is influenced daily by Demons. I dont want to disagree with you, I wuv you....

As I understand it, demon's will wear down the victims over a period of time. Then when the victim is weak it moves in and changes the person, often making them do things they would other wise not do.

As I see it as well. Influence to infestation.

Jackal and Lollipop and Pat, where do you get your information?
Seriously, I'd like to know who is telling us mortals how demons work and what they do and don't do?

Edited to add Pat.

I think their main agenda is to wear us down, then possess, not just influence our way of life. I mean, evil is evil no matter how you look at it. However IMO Demonic Infestation, has nothing to do with society in general, but as I said, that is just my take on it..JN

Read everything, connecting stories and said attacks. The documented attacks always seem to start with sleep deprivation, then mental exhaustion, loss of family and friends, then the entity will make it's appearance. It occurs that way in most demonic situations.

JN I am truly sorry for all you experienced. I cannot even imagine.....

As for the OP, I tend to think that this would tend to be a preference moreso than a demonic possession; as long as it's mutually consented and whatever is done is stopped when asked. That's just my own opinion. I see it as more of an experimental, thrill-seeking kind of thing couples may do... whatever, I don't really know.

Which demonic situations? Which documented attacks?
Was there something that you read that told you how demons act, and what they do before they possess a person?
You are describing the symptoms for a lot of psychological and physiological problems. How do you know which symptoms are caused by demons and which are caused by some physical or psychological malady?

I believe it can be the tiniest things to things of great infamy. Here's an example...

I'm enroute to a very important job interview. It is on Culver street. As I am driving down the road, I happen to see this little hoottie in a tube top, bouncing down the sidewalk, and I pass right by Culver Street. Now I'm lost. By the time I find it, and park and get inside, they are none to impressed with my tardiness, and I don't get the job. So, no interview, I head home early, and catch my wife in bed with another guy. I murder the both of them. I get life in prison. Three lives gone (two litterally) because some demonically influenced little hussie decided to wear a tube top today, and caught my eye.

And there are the cases like David Berkawitz, who between 1976 and 1977 commited the Son of Sam murders, at the urging of his dog. He heard voices. How do we know he really didn't hear them? We don't. He says his dog was possessed and I'm not going to debate his sanity.

I just think they are capable, and exuberant to do it. I mean, what else have they to do all day?

There are many stories of possession and demonic hauntings out there. They all start the same way. What are your beliefs on the subject? How many books/accounts have you read?

Hi Loli, Demonic hauntings lead to attacks, but normally dont start due to sleep deprivation but that is one symptom of a haunting. Ultimately it sabotages family units, relationships, health issues, and can invade every aspect of our lives including our thoughts and dreams. It feeds of our fears and phobias, it knows what we think, what we do, and hates to see us happy. It wont let us sleep and when we do its horrid evil nightmares, but for the most part IT keeps us up most of the night. These things can lay dormant for years, and surface at will, and its said that if it is attached to house or land, it will enter knowing one is weak and or sick, pregnant, or dabbling with the occult or just cause it can. Lastly if we lose a loved one, and they visit us, its said the Demonic can follow their spirit right in and take over. For everything we love, it ruins, for everything dislike, it tends to make it MORE important, for every secret we ever had, is revealed to a huge degree. Bottom line, it intensifies every single event and moment in our lives, even things we went thru as children..Basically they are here to instill evil on humans, as they detest us, and trying to destroy us, one by one, family by family..JN

I understand what you're saying hun but I think the OP was asking if S&M stuff is due to a possession.

Yes, I believe there are people out there, like son-of-sam, who very well could have been possessed to do those horrible things (or any serial killer).

I just don't think it means one is possessed if they do S&M stuff; that's all. To me, it's a preference.

Hundreds.
I don't believe that demons possess or haunt us at all. What would be the point?

I understand, but there is a point. They want to be worshiped in my opinion. They want to take away your belief system and take you to hell with them. Just my thoughts, but then again I watched a bunch of stuff of the T.v. today and it did help... hehe

Well I don't know. I believe that anything is possible. I have never experienced anything demonic but I cannot rule out existence of demons or possession based on not having an experience, you know?

I don't know what the point would be other than to make a human miserable.

Anyway, I don't know.

Sure Jen, lemme see. We start off with the Bible. Very good descriptions in there, and details of their defining purpose. Then there are other uncanonized accounts like the Books of the Apocrypha, Book of Enoch, so on and so forth. Then there are countless accounts in other cultures and their own religious scrolls and canons. Almost every culture has some information regarding demons. Then, you have to look at historical accounts, and documented cases of demonic intervention and possession. There are many many of those. You can also read any of several books written on the subject by notable exorcists or documentors of exorcisms. But I mostly gather my information from religious sources. ~Jackal

JN, their goal is to destroy us. Pure and simple. And they don't mind toying with us while they do it. ~Jackal

Thanks Jody, I often wonder how I got thru that, but free will and prayer will help everytime..I agree with what the OP was trying to say. The OP didnt agree with it, just said he read it somewhere..JN

AH HA! Great question! We Don't. Do you? No. Because nobody does. I suppose Jennie, we could experiment. See which of the patients are extremely irritated by religious symbolisms. Of course, I'm sure there's already a psychological disorder with a name on it for this.

O.K. but do the people who claim to be possessed or haunted by them, worship them?
Not in any of the accounts I've read. The accounts I've read, that didn't end in the death of the possessed by the exorcists hands, ended in the person becoming closer to God. I wouldn't think that jibes with a demons agenda.

Ahh! TV, I thought maybe you stayed in a Holiday Inn last night.

I totally agree my friend..I just wrote the same thing..see below..JN




Bottom line, it intensifies every single event and moment in our lives, even things we went thru as children..Basically they are here to instill evil on humans, as they detest us, and trying to destroy us, one by one, family by family..JN

My understanding was that the OP "heard somewhere" that S&M was due to demonic influences. My answer is...so are alot of things.

No I certainly don't, but I'm not the one saying that I do. And you are right nobody does.

I guess they want to take you to hell with them. I honestly have no idea as to the why. I also do not know why they are allowed to roam the earth to do these things in the first place. But there are many thing I don't know, but reading the accounts is freaky to say the least. It is something I hope not to ever learn too much about.

By the way.... thanks for the laugh.

I am not exactly sure if we have strayed from the original direction meant for this thread, or not. It is obvious, as always, that demons can not be discussed without religious connotations. It is the essense of their being, and the reason for their existence. Is S&M a demonically influenced craft? I suppose that would depend on how you define S&M. Some would see anything outside the missionary position as obsene and dirty (or evil if you will). Others will view it as a fun game enjoyed by consenting adults. Others will see it as experimentation and key to the vitality of their relationship. Is it evil? lol. I suppose it depends on just how seriously you immerse yourself. Their are entire fantasy worlds devoted to it. Gore is a subculture of its' own. Gorean Masters are highly sought after in some circles. And they are not always in hoods and black leather pants. They are often your neighbor, your local state rep, your internet buddy. Is it influenced by demons? I say anything that is evil has that potentiality. I'd be more inclined to point a finger at politics first though. ~Jackal

Oh I missed this one, Sorry Jackal!
Everything that you referenced above is written by men and in my views fallible. Strictly my opinion.
I don't think anyone knows God's mind or his power and if he made demons, and made them what they are, I don't think anyone knows what they can and cannot do. To me, it seems simple.

I knew we'd get around to this conversation sooner or later. I have the utmost respect for your opinions Jackal, I just don't agree with all of them. Maybe we should take this discussion up elsewhere. PM me if you wish. I think it will be fun and maybe I'll learn something.

Edited to add: I think S&M is a preference and I don't think it has anything to do with demons.

I've always wanted to go to chatroom...shall we? I'll open.

Thank you all for your help. I'll be honest, I had a different motive for starting this thread than just discussing demons. I have been struggling with admitting that I am a masochist, as society seems to deem it as a horrible thing and is indicates insanity. I'm only as mild one, but I still felt scared that people would think I'm a pyscho. Thank you all for answering. It has been a great help.

My thoughts on people having a demon inside them sometimes seems true. I sometimes believe I am because of how good of a fighter/killer I am. I damn near killed my best friend in a fight once because of him turning against me and fighting me in large numbers. But also I believe that I have a good demon inside of me because I've always defended other's lives before I even thought about defending my own. I'm a fighter and was born with a warrior spirit that can't exactly be turned off and on when ever I want it to. Good Demon or Bad Demon, it doesn't matter because there's one to counter the other. And I'm one of them to fight against the evil out here in the world. Or better yet, playing Fire against fire.