Yeah, keep it hid. Perhaps all of these people claiming powers are forming a secret orginization behind
the publics eyes, and the government is in on it as well, its part of the new world order.

Seems crazy doesn't it!

Wouldnt that be like the 4400?

Great series btw hope its back soon.

Oh and yes from personal research and experimentation I can say that TK is real, but not the easiest of psychic skills to develop or use (at least not for me) but on the other hand it seems some people find one ability easier to master than other.

Personally I've had more success with astral projection, remote viewing, meditation & visions, and dowsing. But then again those are the things I've been most active with and I never really put much time into TK as I personally don't find it to be much of a useful ability, as it's far more easier to just grab the bottle of beer with your hand and drink it straight down than spend hours trying to make it float to your mouth.

Man, I myself belive Iin TK...But I know it isn't what everyone WANTS it to be, or what they think it will be. It's not like with TK you can move cars and stuff, just small objects like pencils and paper...It's not as powerful as most skeptics think thats what we mean...And almost naybody who does TK will acknowladge this...TK is pretty much used so you cna say you cna do it..Not much use...But very real none the less....And there have been many scientific studies saying it real. Like those depressed and stresseed teens who cause things to fly off shelves for no reason, they have acknowladged this is possible...Do your research...

Yes, and I believe after I learn enough, that I will transcend into a god.

Those who doubt me will be the first to tremble in awe at my feet.

i don't mind people believing in TK or w/e (i mean i'm open minding and actually hoping it does exist, it would be pretty cool ) but i do have a problem with people saying they CAN do it although they provide no proof of any kind.
If you can do it, set up a video and let us see. If for what ever reason you refuse, i simply don't believe you.
I can't get my head around the fact that if it is real, as many people claim it to be, that no one proves it. If you can do it at will, surely it wouldn't be hard to do it under controlled conditions?
Now some people can do wierd sh!t with their mind, buddhist monks for example, like the monk Thich Quang Duc (if you don't know who he is, which you should, then google it) and various others who performed self-immolation and monks who can, supposedly, melt snow within a 5 meter radius around them without their body temperature changing.
But whatever, if you can do it, provide me with proof and i'll appologise for this rant

(btw i'm not having a go at anyone on this site, it's just my personal opinion )

Guys,,i am glad to say,that for the first time ,i was able to move plastic bottle top.I did not not blow at it,and no way,it could go on its own.I put it on its side.I never practise telekinesis before,but i really concentrate on it,and i move it.Not to much,but it did move,and i did it twice.I can say now..it is possible.

I wanted to say,it freak me out at first,when i did it. hehehe

can you do it again?
If so film it or something.

I dont have camera,but i really did it.Telekinesis is real.

I am so happy to hear this.

Now go to school, bet as many classmate as possible that you can't do it, gather your money, buy a camera and come back here so you can astound the world.

I will be waiting.....

Kevin A.

You do realize how easy it is for a plastic bottle cap to roll on it's on without any intervention on your part right?

No vanqish...Can you explain? Maybe i should do it under the glass for you? btw ..kevin a, your post was rude.

First of all a bottle cap is not flat anywhere except on it's top. Gravity alone can easily cause it to move, when it is placed on it's side.

This my fellow forum reader; renders you're experiment as highly improbable.

I hope this helps!


Regards,
Tom

I would to see you or someone else on this forum,to prove that gravity can move bottle cap on its own,without touching it,or using any kind of telekinesis.

Hi, dreamland.

Personally, I am uninterested in yet another video. Youtube is full of them, and each of them is full of it.

What I would like is a more precise description of what the setup for the bottlecap was, what movement it made, and so forth.

For example, "it moved." Did it roll, or flop over on its side, or what? From subsequent discussion in this thread, I am thinking that it rolled. If so, then:


It's too late for us. Galileo did that already with little balls on slight inclines. It works swell.

As you frame your response, please consider the following. For something like a human capability, you cannot possibly be the only human being who can do it. Maybe not everybody can do it, but if many try, then a few will come close to your level. The weight of their many reports will be much more convincing than some Youtube video.

In order for them to try, they need a detailed and specific description of your setup. Any tests you performed on the setup would be helpful, too. For example, you checked that the surface wasn't inclined with a bubble level, of course - but "of course" is no reason not to include that in your description of the steup.

And finally, what happened exactly? Did it roll? Immediately after you set it up, or only after you did - what? How long did that take? How much distance did it cover? In how much time? When it stopped, did it stay stopped, or resume rolling? How did it stop: still upright, or did it flop over?

Looking forward to your report.

Very well put eightbits! I highly respect you're way of responding to these claims.

Hi, dreamland.

Personally, I am uninterested in yet another video. Youtube is full of them, and each of them is full of it.

What I would like is a more precise description of what the setup for the bottlecap was, what movement it made, and so forth.

For example, "it moved." Did it roll, or flop over on its side, or what? From subsequent discussion in this thread, I am thinking that it rolled. If so, then:
So you are uninterested. WHo cares.

It's too late for us. Galileo did that already with little balls on slight inclines. It works swell.

As you frame your response, please consider the following. For something like a human capability, you cannot possibly be the only human being who can do it. Maybe not everybody can do it, but if many try, then a few will come close to your level. The weight of their many reports will be much more convincing than some Youtube video.

In order for them to try, they need a detailed and specific description of your setup. Any tests you performed on the setup would be helpful, too. For example, you checked that the surface wasn't inclined with a bubble level, of course - but "of course" is no reason not to include that in your description of the steup.

And finally, what happened exactly? Did it roll? Immediately after you set it up, or only after you did - what? How long did that take? How much distance did it cover? In how much time? When it stopped, did it stay stopped, or resume rolling? How did it stop: still upright, or did it flop over?

Looking forward to your report.
There are more reports than him. Youtube is full of people.

Youtube cannot be accepted as a reliable source for evidence on these contoversial subjects. It is full of videos with trickery and fraud, therefore making it impossible to tell a true claim from a bad claim.


Regards,
Tom

Yes. But you said its not real and so you are looking for 'real' evidence? A bit strange. Because if that is not real, nothing is real.

I believe there will never in this life time be evidence of such an ability. If I am proved wrong, then I will gladly change my mind.

Unfortunately, there is no evidence of such powers, and appears to stay that way.

It appears to, yes.

What i think is, is that it is a subconscious ability that was governed by non rational thought. It may be that in primordial times, we thought by visualizing the action. Not by the words we are taught , but by truly seeing the action. This meditation could , realistically involve a type of perception of knowing how to achieve the event with little to no energy or through undetectable means. Like hitting a plane of glass at exactly the right spot to completely shatter it, achieved by simply staring at it. Such things are known, for instance when it came to stone tool fashioning. We humans and the earlier types had this uncanny ability to know how to cleave rocks. Simply by just knowing. Australopithecus's could walk along a river bed and just know what rock to pick up. It is a fascinating trait. We modern humans don't seem to have this ability. It would take us many attempts to achieve what they would do in possibly two.
So, telekinesis could possibly be a extension of that, or at least in some way related to this visual thinking.

Watch the elbows, EK. You and I have no quarrel.

My post asks dreamland to make his claim in enough detail so that it is clear what he is claiming, and everybody who wants to do so can try to do likewise.

A reasonable request, whether from a sceptic or a believer.

Why don't you want dreamland to make his report more fully? Aren't you interested? Don't you want to do it yourself, rather than watch somebody else do it?

Once again,there's no sense for me to lie.I did it.It works.period.Even if i come up with video,and everyone see it,you will still think and say,its fake.As far,how i did it..i put bottlecap on its side,and on top of the book.I just got bored,so i decide to move it.It took me about 2-3 min before it hapened.I transfered energy from universe,thru my head and to my hand.(btw,i tried telekinesis with right hand befre,and never did it.) so for the first time,i used left hand.I kept my hand flat next to that bottlecap,and i was just thinking about moving the object,and my energy is helping me too.About 3 min later,it did moved,i will say few inches,and roll back to its starting point,like it was climbing up and roll back.Few seconds later,it moved same way again,and comeback.Thats it.There was no air flow in my room at that time,i did not blow at it.The most suprising thing was,that like half a hour later,i was able to feel strange sensations in my left hand,i mean palm,and my palm was much colder then my right palm.I was able to feel this for few hours.

That's great. Thank you.

So, I just did it, too. It took me a few tries to get the bottlecap to roll back and forth, because sometimes it flopped over, or just kept rolling once it got started. But the bidirectional movement nicely disposes of the "level" issue.

I took a paperback book, about 15 x 23 x 2 cm ( 6 x 9 x 3/4 in ), with about 230 pages between a heavier, glossy cover. I put the book on a larger plastic cutting board on my kitchen counter. The bottlecap has a fluted edge, so it rested nicely on the book, with stability.

I put my right hand beside the bottlecap, on the surface of the book (well, I tried my left hand first, but I just wasn't getting that back and forth thing, so I figured it would be OK to use my dominant hand). And I pressed down, not a lot, and released.

On the firm, well-supported surface, I couldn't feel the bound pages compressing under my hand, since whatever sensation was masked by the compression of my skin. And they didn't compress much anyway.

Anyway, I got the bottlecap to move as required. I didn't touch it, didn't blow on it, and there wasn't any draft in my kitchen.

If you are dissatisfied with my replication, then maybe there was some additional element in your experiment that you omitted, or that you included but I missed.

In any case, we are already further along in this conversation than any Youtube video could accomplish. For one thing, I have absolutely no doubt that your report is the truth as you saw it, because I saw the same thing with my own eyes.

But, so far at least, I am unconvinced that I achieved this by telekinesis.

Interesting! I tried the same thing with a solid wooden cutting board, its about 18in. x 12in. I layed it on the counter top, then slightly pressed down with my right hand and achieved the back and forth motion as well.


Regards,
Tom

Hey, we're three for three. Care to try, EK?

Telekinesis i did with bottlecap is still nothing big for me.Look at guy like criss angel.

Your kidding me right! You do know that Criss Angel is a professional illusionist.

Yeah. He does illusion. Nothing more.

He says a lot of times that half what he do is illusion and half is real,and is up to us to decide what just happen.

It's a sale tactic kid! It gets people like you to watch it as well as believe it.

First of all punkass,i am not a kid for you.Second,i watched many magic shows and read so many books about witchcraft,paranormal and magic,that you will ever do in your whole life,and third get a life rude boy.Criss angel is not the only one who can do this staff in the world.These staff are not supernatural,not illusion nor tricks.These things can do anyone,and they are totally natural.If criss angel and thousands of magicians around the world would called themselves real magicians,people would think they posses devil powers,and be afraid to attend the show.And remember rude boy,What he is calling himself as illusionist,doesnt nessesary means he is.

WOW! I suppose that is enough to convince me.

No need to get so bent out of shape. Magicians/Illusionist, are just that. They will tell you it is real, regardless of what you think. If you believe it's real then you fell for it.

It's all a show.

Yes its all a show. Just like James Randi

You need to do some research. In many of his interveiws he says he does not believe in the paranormal or psychic powers. In fact, he gets mad at people who claim them. Boo ya.

Such wit.

Whooooo. Books, wow. Give you a cookie. Books prove a bunch of nothing.

No they can't and there is not one drop of scientific evidence to prove them. Thats faith on your part.

Criss Angel said on Larry King that what he does is not 'real' magic... since most of what he does can be easily replicated by others and the fact he has already admitted to simply being a performance artist (illusionist) this case is pretty cut and dry.

Just because you read books and watch TV doesn't mean what you see and read is always true....

Judging by your spelling and grammar errors and just the way you word things as well as being extremely defensive etc you have made it clear that either your are 12-14 years old or alternatively an adult with the mindset of a child.

Just a little advice don't freak out on the boards and flame people... You will end up banned by the mods, although it wouldn't be much of a loss.

Criss Angel said on Larry King that what he does is not 'real' magic... since most of what he does can be easily replicated by others and the fact he has already admitted to simply being a performance artist (illusionist) this case is pretty cut and dry.
Yes true but what he said can be lies.

Just because you read books and watch TV doesn't mean what you see and read is always true....
Oh yes but some of them can be very true.

Judging by your spelling and grammar errors and just the way you word things as well as being extremely defensive etc you have made it clear that either your are 12-14 years old or alternatively an adult with the mindset of a child.
Or maybe it is one of those simple errors made by almost everyone on this planet.

Just a little advice don't freak out on the boards and flame people... You will end up banned by the mods, although it wouldn't be much of a loss.
Its not nice to say "won't be much of a loss".

He says what he does is just trickery and his tricks can be replicated with little effort... The jury is in on this one Criss Angel does not have super powers, it's just some people are dumb enough to think he does.



Depends on what it is...



One error? puleeze the post was riddled with poor grammar, poor sentence structure, immaturity, poor spelling etc. there is a difference between making errors here and there but god d@mn that post was pretty bad.



I think everyone is well aware of this... I fail to see the need of stating the obvious reality of my post.

He says what he does is just trickery and his tricks can be replicated with little effort... The jury is in on this one Criss Angel does not have super powers, it's just some people are dumb enough to think he does.
what you hear is not always true.

Depends on what it is...
yes yes true true

One error? puleeze the post was riddled with poor grammar, poor sentence structure, immaturity, poor spelling etc. there is a difference between making errors here and there but god d@mn that post was pretty bad.
Its just coincidence

I think everyone is well aware of this... I fail to see the need of stating the obvious reality of my post.
And you complain that people always target you and not your post.

This is a sad post. SO, Angel says he doesn't believe in this crap, but YOU still believe he does, and you call him a liar since his views are realistic. WOW.

Its the same you don't believe people when they say they are psychic.

Me to I have tried to control the future sight i have also moved objects before but i cant seem to really control that as well"for the future sight try asking your self a question of what you want to see then clear your mind and sleep that seems to work with me. for telekinesis try not thinking of anything but the object. I made a cup of water spill on my brother before BUT I HAVE NO IDEA HOW i wasnt really thinking of anything till i saw him

Another psi kid. Prove yourself. Go to your science teacher and them set up a test. Otherwise what you are writing is fiction.

Find me a science teacher who will listen first.

I think criss angel is great as what he does . but its all an illusion . is telekenesis real . who knows I haven't seen any evidence yet . but thats not too stop anyone having fun trying . its how we learn . experimentation. who knows they may just learn some valuable lessons in the process



off topic a little:

You know . everytime I come by this thread a famous quote pops in my head it goes like this .

Never argue with a fool. Someone watching may not be able to make out which is which. ~Author Unknown




Now im not saying anyone of you is A fool . Its just you guys have been arguing this topic forever and well its going nowhere fast neither of the two sides will ever agree and it just seems to get more and more personal . "shrugs"


Runs before eric lashes me with his mighty tongue

All you have to do is ask any science teacher. Let him know your serious. Stop being scared and STEP UP!
If I lived near you, I would love to set up a test. Stop using excuses and do what it takes to prove yourself.

It is foolish to argue with such blind believers, but if we didn't the metaphysical section would be nothing more than comic book talk.



Step up and do what it takes to prove yourself. You are all talk and excuses.

It would be foolish to argue with such stubbon skeptics.

Step up and do what it takes to prove yourself. You are all talk and excuses
Step up and find a teacher for me.

You are all talk and excuses
This is getting a little personal.

No. Its not personal. You aren't willing to do what it takes to prove yourself.
You are not even willing to ask a teacher. Geesh.