Well, I was looking up the anuunaki and the end of the world theory.

And I found some kind of race called the nephilim.

The article I read said that they were a kind of giants/half giants or the sons of gods and humans.


I really don't know what to think, sooooo if you have anything to say on the subject, post on this forum or email me at ********



Thanks. =]

My opinion... its a load of hooey.
I believe they miscalculated this End period of the calender, likely already occurred in the mid 1800's.

http://www.fallenwatchers.com/

I do too, I believe the end is in 6 billion years when the sun dies.

But about the anuunaki coming to earth on 2012, I'm still iffy about that. We'll just have to see.







And dcman. Thnks for the link. I'll check it out.

My thoughts on this: Zacharia Stitchin's translation of those texts is highly questionable. From a mathematical approach, we know there to be an extremely high probability for life to exist outside of the normal range of "earth biology". So then, I will agree to the fact that these things do exist. Whatever name you would like to call them, I suppose is up to you. However it seems to me, that everyone that has encountered these types of things doesn't really think they are benevolent. I would invite you all to do some research on the word "djinn", and see what you come up with on your own. This is my current view on these things. Some are good and some are bad, a bit like people. Would I trust them? Would I worship them? No and No. Would I spend alot of time and money buying relics of these things and researching them? Nah, not really. I think you might end up with an acute case of self induced schizophrenia. Just a thought.

Peace,

-T

K. Well do...


Edit: I meant to say 'will'

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...ficial%26sa%3DG

The date 2012 is significant from 06-06-06, where many cultists felt they could end the world.
Failing approximately 2 months into the struggle, they doctrined six (6) years effort. It has faded, as they have...

Thanks, I already believe that the 12-12-12 is b.s.

I wanna know what people think about the nephilim and the anuunaki.

Thanks.

There is a book called. "There were giants in the earth in those days" that is well worth a read if you can find it...

This is spiritual stuff, of the spiritual realm, and has nothing to do with the physical (we are the link between spiritual and physical)
In the old testament, women were parables of the souls of men (this included Eve, from Genesis story). So all of this taking of Bible scripture and pretending its a "real" drama of the old days... means nothing to me. Its like fairy tales, they all have underlying things to teach us, but in 3000+ years from now an archaeologist will uproot a copy of Grimms Fairy Tales and the process will likely repeat again. (hehe, just an analogy)

This End period, is enlightenment. We see it in what we have created, we are blind to it because we live it everyday.
You realize it when the power goes out, or your car breaks down, or your internet goes offline. Not only does it offer us the power to create new technology but also spiritual enlightenment too, however most have forgotten that, flooding our minds with idea of making $$$ from our knowledge.

So this is what I think about that. The greater Celestial understanding is already inside of us.

Thanks. I'll check it out.

I thought this book (link at bottom) did an excellent job in explaining their origin, and what they have done, and perhaps will do again. Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D. does an outstanding job combining ancient history with modern UFO occurrences in a "factual based" work of science fiction from a Christian perspective that will leave its reader...well This book will keep your eyes glued to the pages...and then to the skies.

I'm not trying to sell this book, I did purchase it myself and it helped answer a ot of questuions for me, and point me in the right direction for research.

...the link ( I think the first chapter is free) :


http://www.facadethebook.com/prologue.htm


http://www.facadethebook.com/index.htm

The giants were IN the earth, not IN man. The earth was being used then as it is now and the Sons of God used slavery of man to become 'mighty men of old.'
They built Pyramids.

and there was talking snakes, and the world was created in 7 days. You may as well take it all literally if your going for it.
He asked what we believed in.

In my studies, the Nephilim, in it's original text, means "Those who from heaven came" and not "fallen". This was changed several thousand years later to create the concept of the demonic "fallen angels". They taught the Sumerians astronomy and Enki is given the credit of having created mankind. This is why science of today is just now catching up with the ancient knowledge. There was no political agenda then to manipulate the original story. The Sumerian text also says that they came from the planet Nibiru on it's 3600 earth year revolution around the Sun. As for 2012, it is not the end of the world, but the beginning of the new Golden Age of Aquarius to which man will advance in mind and spirit, and "out-grow" the attempt by the so-called "elite" to keep mankind ignorant of the truth. Also, the Egyptians were well aware of this as well. "Fingerprints of the God's" is a good study that goes to prove that all the ancient megaliths were built in 10,500 B.C., when all the monuments line up with their corresponding constellations. The Sphinx with Leo and the Pyramids with Orion's belt and even the Nazca lines, such as the giant scorpion aligning with every star of Scorpio and so on. Very fascinating. You can look up Bauval and Graham Hancock on the net and see the way they put all this together.

To me, the Nephilim are a race that is better than the Anglo's. In that, they are larger.
So, that, when the Jews were persecuted for their beliefs in the last Great War, they could succumb it.

Nothing more. Translations, these days, are so easily had. I have one where there is a Memorial Unto David. A fact not well presented in the Old Translation.

If you want accurate info., then I'd suggest you go to Mongoloidism, where the term is derived. From the growth areas, and the fact that some will overcome the traditional 'squeeze' that indoctrinates total-rule.

These Nephilim where to Rule The Earth. But, were put assunder by one of Lucifer's Angels. In that, they were lied to, and lost their innocence.

Goood, luck. Since, re-translations pre-dominate. And, there's no stopping it. Because, you see, many want it that way...

The Annunaki and all its attendant non-sense come from Sitchin and his "non-fiction" works, starting with The 12th Planet. His translations of ancient texts are uniformly criticized by virtually everyone who can speak those languages, and he refuses to do his 'translation' work in front of anyone: there's a real possibility he cannot read them at all.
Despite his pretensions to being a student of Semitic languages, he is in fact by training an economic historian.

According to him, they are from a super-Jovian sized planet with a very, very aberrant orbit, and that despite of the monumental differences in gravity and the intense cold a planet that far away from the sun would experience, the people there are just like you and me, but with super-advanced technology. They originally came to Earth because they need gold to save their atmosphere (which apparently conveniently doesn't freeze in deep space), and genetically manipulated some hominids into monkey slaves to mine it.

But rather than act like disciplined force, they generally acted like characters out of an Australian soap opera, with rebellions and petty jealousies, till one day, one of them raped a monkey slave and modern humanity was born. Then they all left, and destroyed every single bit of evidence except what Sitchin is nigh-magically able to put together from centuries- and millennia-old works of fiction.

But they're coming back! Originally, it was in about the year 1999, but when that year came and went, it turned out Sitchin was just reading things wrong and it was 2000. And then 2001. And now it's 2012. And the monkey-raping superpeople will either destroy us or lead us into a new era of peace and happiness.

And no, I'm in no way lying or exaggerating. This is what Sitchin writes -- and should you prove yourself a sucker and line his wallet, you can buy the books and read them. Or get them from a library, and skip the enriching Sitchin part.

For some reason (and I can't imagine why), some of his die-hard disciples don't describe this is such blunt terms.

--Jaylemurph

I have heard of him being criticized as well, however, the political reason is clear to me, it conflicts with current teachings. You can get the book free as an e-book though without cost. You will also find a WEALTH of information at www.ancientx.com

I know this is probably a stupid question, but how could they use the gold from freezing?

I believe that the earth was 'giant' in its possibilities; much more then as it is now. The sons of God saw that these possibilities existed. These Nephilim, the ones who from heaven came, became slave drivers and they established a slave race and with that slave race built the pyramids. The Sumerian and Akkadian deities, Annunaki - 'those of royal blood', are I believe the Nephilim.

A conventional analysis of Sumerian religious practice can be found in A. Leo Oppenheim, Ancient Mesopotamia: Portrait of a Dead Civilization, a revised edition of which was published in 1976.

Yea mate you better believe it 'cause its all true, & we're all gonna die at the hands of a giant alien race...aaaarrrrgghhhh

Do you seriously think the only reason there aren't universities teaching the Monkey-raping space opera star theory is because it "conflicts with current teaching"? No appreciation at all that it sounds incredibly silly? Or that there's not an iota of proof to suggest its true? Or that only one person in the world can correctly read the texts that allude to it?




Sitchin never really goes into it, at least not as I remember. He just sort of assumes gold is a miracle product.

--Jaylemurph

In all this argumentative, you've got to remember the ''transcrit' found some time around the turn of 2006. By a rabbi that uncovered them in Solomon's Tomb.

They where to provide new pronunciations of handed-tales. And, a new interpretation. It's consistent with Western-Philosophy of go wit' what u've got.

Other forms of words, Power Sought of Wretched Destruction...Now in ruins...

Lol, I saw this picture earlier, and it looked like nibiru's atmosphere was gold plated.

I'll post it when I get home because right now I'm on my sidekick.

Why not? It's not like Sitchin's stories are bound by logic, so why /wouldn't/ there be a golden shell around a super-Jovian planet to save it oxygen-rich atmosphere from bleeding away? Other than the fact it would take more gold than is on Earth...

The picture sounds intriguing, though.

--Jaylemurph

Without wishing to sidetrack the whole issue..there is absoutley no archaeological evidence that a King called Solomon ever existed...

I don't know if the Annunaki/Nephilim were real...or if they were responsible for
creating the human race, in it's/our present form....but I entertain the possibility.

So....as the human race is riddled with petty jealousies, selfish and destructive traits
It wouldn't be a surprise to me that the Annunaki were less than perfect. We're
clever in many ways....but not exactly a species to be super-proud of. (creating.)

And I think, IF it's all true, it would be genetic engineering....not rape.

But....for an Elizabethan Historian (think that's what you are?) you have quite a
talent for amusing Sitchin-bashing. A bit like how Sitchin is a economic historian...
but has quite a talent for Semitic languages.....

It is possible to be good at more than one thing, you know....

Oh?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/776922.html

Err i could call the Tower of London Arthurs tower...wouldn't mean he actually existed... show me a single piece of actual proof that there was ever a King called Solomon outisde of biblical texts.. cos none of the other Mediterranean chroniclers ever mention him at all..

Nope, Sitchin literally says that one of the Annunaki literally raped a monkey-slave.

But I do take your point about his training. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, language-wise. Certainly -- and I haven't said this before and maybe should -- he does have a command of several modern languages -- English, clearly, Hebrew, and German (but any serious scholar of the period would have to, since most of the significant texts and a lot of the original work in the area was done in that language). I'd even give him credit for a good hunk of general historical/comparative linguistics.
However, that especially (and I've done graduate coursework in it under Craig Melchert, who's now head of the Indo-European studies program at UCLA) is where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. He can (and does) make assumptions about language and meaning from a general perspective that specialist knowledge in an individual tongue wouldn't bear out. I don't know any Semitic languages, so I can say myself, but people who do fault him for this a lot. I'd like to dismiss him as someone who genuinely believes what he writes, but I just can't....

--Jaylemurph

OK....thanks for reply...
regarding this rape of one (?) 'monkey-slave'....do you have a
reference....ie...book and quote? I'm not familiar with details of Sitchin's work.

If you're right about this...theorised rape of a monkey slave...then I can't see how the
whole human race could be a result of this one incident? So I can't imagine that Sitchin would
think this either...

this is the picture that i found before.

I can't give you the exact citation. It's not in his first book, though. I think it's somewhere along The Wars of Gods and Men, where talks about the soap-opera-esque relationships between the Annunaki. I'll look for it, though.

--Jaylemurph

The information, bee, appears in his second book the Stairway to Heaven, where he describes the rape of (incorrectly identified because of her association with sexual intercourse as a mother-goddess) Innana by jumped-up Pantry boy monkey-slave Ninurta as the literal creation of mankind.

By his next book, The Wars of Gods and Men, he's decided it's all just metaphor*. And that mankind has been genetically engineered for sometime, but as a hybrid remains sterile. The rape becomes a metaphor for another god sneaking behind the back of Innana to give the monley-slaves the ability to breed, so there can be more monkey-slaves in Mesopotamia where the Annunaki have to do all the work. (Previously, all the monkey slaves were stuck in Africa mining gold, and female Annunaki had to bear each monkey-slave.)

--Jaylemurph

*This is of, course, in parallel with Sitchin's frequent moving of the date for the Return on Nibiru as each prediction fails.

Wow...you found it....I'm impressed!

So....in a nutshell...the first hybrids were infertile and had to be produced one by one....using Ninurta.
Maybe he was a baboon? Egypt/Thoth and all that...

Then some bright spark ,mad scientist, Annunaki ....engineered a fertile 'monkey-slave' and created
male and female.....so they could have lots and lots of them....but, oh dear....the genie was out of the bottle,
the cat was out of the bag....and they bred like rabbits and took over the world....

I think we must be the monkey slaves....(I think that's what Sitchin says)....but that makes sense to me.
Regarding all the different races....perhaps that's how they/we are all so different...the male/female thing
was produced from apes.....different species of ape.

I know you don't agree with this 'kind of thing'....but, you know, you have really brought the story alive
in your own unique way!!!

Just on the subject of the infertile hybrid....correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the human male, the only
male animal who doesn't have a bone in the penis.... THE PLOT THICKENS!!

Cheers for the reply....I loved it.

Bee's post made the most sense to me about the annunaki..

Bee's post made the most sense to me about the annunaki..

The challenge was finding the book itself in the number of boxes I have in storage. The information was easy to find afterwards. Sitchin's books are fairly methodical and well-labelled.

Well, I admit the term monkey-slave is a little uncharitable. Sitchin seems to describe them as advanced hominids (maybe something close to homo habilis, but he's none too specific) that are manipulated by the Annunaki into something a little less than man -- he has a collection of syllables he uses to describe them from Semitic languages, but that's another discussion.

--Jaylemurph

Sitchen Errors

I am personally skeptical of his beliefs mainly in his use of the Hebrew language and his mixing of plural and singulars.
However everyone is entitled to believe what they want, perhaps when 2012 comes and goes I shall still be around here to witness the next additional movement of the end-times date, as such as the Jehovah Witnesses have done for so long.

Well...if we're not the fertile 'monkey-slaves' ....I wonder what happened to them?(IF the theory is right...)
The missing link?.....but maybe we ARE them.....a useful personality trait for a monkey-slave
would be obedience....and human beings can be very obedient and 'pack-like'....fitting in, easily
brainwashed, mob rule and all that. But also....clever....and capable. The perfect slave, perhaps.

I'm rambling....I'll shut up now...

There are worse crimes....than mixing your plurals and singulars... ..I expect Sitchin himself is
on a learning curve...like everyone else.

I take your point, and I think that's true as a species. But individually, we're pretty stroppy.

Well. Now I have the ridiculous image of a Spartacus-style "I am monkey-slave!", "No, *I* am monkey-slave" rebellion scene stuck in my head.

--Jaylemurph

Instead of reading books written by Stitchen, why not read the actual book that first mentions the Nephilim?

It is called "The Book Of Enoch," Genesis (6:4)...it was written in the second century B.C....Enoch introduced the whole Fallen Angels concept and most likely influenced the earlier writings of the bible...although the book of enoch was not included in the bible.. and I tried looking to see if anyone had mentioned it earlier but I didn't find previous mention. The writings in the book were catalogued by a direct decendant of Adam (adam and eve), and also the great grandfather of Noah. (I do not know too much about it, since I only read a small portion of the book, so what I am about to say may be slightly incorrect, so do your own research for better results.)

The book was supposedly supposed to be part of the bible, but instead was shunned by major Christianity figures. Enoch states in the book that he was conducted on a tour of the universe by Angels, and the Angels ordered him to right down all that he witnessed. While visiting the "Fifth Heaven", Enoch saw great giants that had withered faces and silent mouths. Enoch described them as Grigori (Fallen Angels)....

You can buy the book at Barnes and Noble, or any other book store, most likely in the New Age section or religious writings section. It is a tad difficult to understand if you have no knowledge of any biblical references, but it is interesting nonetheless.
Another interesting thing worth mentioning, is that many flying saucer/ET buffs believe that Enoch was actually riding a spaceship with aliens, and they showed him the 5th planet, and that he really saw giant versions of "Grey" aliens, and that the reason us humans are the way we are is because of the Nephilim crossbreeding.

Because Sitchin actually does discuss /some/ legitimate history, or tries to.

The last time I checked, the Book of Enoch is a cobble of several different texts* from a period of 500 years or so, which, being fairly obviously written in the 1 millennium BCE, purports to be the literal effort of Enoch, whom (if you believe the Bible literally) would have been taken up to heaven sans death at least a thousand years before that.

--Jaylemurph

*Not that the parts that did make it into the Bible proper were any less of a cobble or a fiction.

Thats not evidence that he existed, but evidence that something was built in an area he was said to have built something. Which is obvious - its the site of an ancient city. Its like saying that finding archeological remains in Glastonbury is evidence of King Arthur.

Well, if you do not want to believe textbooks, artifacts from the first temple, what will you believe? Probably nothing I would guess. And even if an artifact was found with King Solomon's inscription...would you believe that? You're a true skeptic Emma.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043315/quotes the bugs bunny quote was meant in fun

To me, admitting that King Solomon existed means that the bible is true, and for some...they would rather not believe in God than to be subject to Him.

I have no opinion about him existing, or what this proves towards about the bible. I think it highly likely for an important king like him to have existed, but the stories of him in the bible could easily be composite characters.

All I'm saying is that of course they're going to find archeological remains there, but it doesn't mean that he built them. It doens't mean that he didn't either, but you know what I mean. I hope.

And don't worry about the Bugs Bunny bit - I luuuurve Bugs!!! not as much as Marvin the Martian but there you go....

It's great that that works for you, but for many, the existence of one true thing in the Bible certainly isn't evidence of it being true in toto. And the existence of an historical Solomon has almost nothing to do with with the existence of god. And the existence of god has very little to do with out relationship with him.

--Jaylemurph

[quote name='David Arruda' date='Jan 19 2008, 07:09 PM' post='2106579']
I do too, I believe the end is in 6 billion years when the sun dies.

But about the anuunaki coming to earth on 2012, I'm still iffy about that. We'll just have to see.







And dcman. Thnks for the link. I'll check it out.
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The son of God named Jesus said in the end of days it will be like in the times of Noah read what it was like in those days
and you will see it's been happening.