I was asked to start a new thread with this question:

"I would like to get a real answer for a change. One that is thought out and not full of quotes from "holy" scriptures that someone will deny as fiction anyhow. When you think of taking that last breath and giving yourself over to the inevitable as you close your mortal eyes for the last time, now think; and put aside all your learned knowledge. Put yourself right there slipping away from the living. From your heart, what will you see? I don't expect a tirade or book, this should be a short simple answer for anyone. What will you see when you pass from the living to the dead? Anyone have the cojones to put their holy books down and think about such a personal belief? I have already stopped breathing once, done that, been there. Depending on your answers, I might tell you more, but for now, no posing for the camera, no dictating by rote or trying to hide behind theology. Anyone game?"

And, oh yes, before any critics pipe up, they must deliver answer first. Not fair otherwise to target someone else and hide yourself. Cowardly in my book. I deliver the dare, and I will also answer.

I dont know, and I think anyone who says that they do know is lying.

Oh, um; does that mean you have no opinion, you are too fearful of the mortal process itself to worry about what happens after, or you don't think whatever happens after is in the least bit important? Then there is the we rot in the ground and that's it theory. "I don't know" is evasive at the very least. My domestic partner is a licensed nurse, I don't think he would misinterpret a non-responsive body, he has always been a cool headed, reliable nurse. Just like the rest of the nurses in his family. Before you call anyone a liar, you should know that I have a degree in Criminal Justice, four times on the Dean's List and graduated with a 3.35 GPA and I have worked with the mentally ill for more than a decade as a psychiatric aide aside from living on the grounds since I was seven, my step-father was a psychiatrist there. I have a sharp mind and love to learn, granted, more about what is inside the mind than what people say, or write. I have a reputation for not lying, thank you. How's your dossier standing up young man? Clarify your answer or stand down.

I don't know, I have never died, but Turtle has maybe he will come and answer your question.

Darkwind,
I am not asking what you expect to see out of experience, of course. I am asking, what does your heart or what do you really think you will see when you pass, at the moment of passing. I was not aware of any pain, nor of any seizures. I did not feel my guy lose his balance and fall on me as he tried to lever me onto the floor, nor did I feel his efforts at CPR. I think our minds have a kind of self defense against the worst no matter that we may be physically wracked. That is unless we insist on hanging on for some reason or another. Family, fear of judgement, unwillingness to give up control, etc.. So, give the question another thought and see what you come up with. No one really asks themselves this question without running to their faith for answers from a book or completely rejecting it in some way or another. It's mans nature, and you will find that probably women will want to give this more serious thought. Most men will dismiss it as not worth the time, unless they think out of the box and are seekers. All you have to do is sit back and watch either their silence without their endless quotes, or their rage to be questioned in such a manner. It is a simply stated question with no tricks up my sleeve. What do you think you will see? Who do you think you might see? What do you think you might feel, then? Can you draw a picture like children do, then? How simpler can I ask?

i don't know if this is what your looking for but, Yesterday I was having svere chest pain nd being one does not like to go to the ER I thought hey I can sweat it out it will quit in a minuite, And while I was having this intense pain all that went through my mind is what about my children and what are people going to think if they have to come into my home to get me I havent even done the dishes. Isn't that odd, I am a christian and always believed if I were dying I would be waiting to see God. I did not die and the pain did ease up but I really thoght i was going to drop dead any minute. I am young and have no history of heart problems but in my mind the pain was so great I think it was some kind of test/warning and I have thought about what is in my life that needs work. Weird this just happened and then I see this topic, always a pleasure

My thoughts about this at the moment....is that it could be like a lucid dream.
You're in a form/body like the one when you dream....but like a lucid dream...
when you are aware of yourself and your surroundings...and up to a point...in control
of your actions.

Time/space rules will be different...ie...you can meet up with people who have 'died'
....you can 'fly'.....you can transport yourself into different situations...by thought.

After the 'lucid dream' phase...we probably go on to something else...but it's hard to
imagine what this might be.....if there IS life, after the death of the physical body...
we'll ALL find out one day......


PS....I do believe in life after death. (but if I'm wrong about that...I'll never find out
that I'm wrong....)

The same as everyone else. A dark tunnel followed by a white light caused by the brain becoming starved of oxygen before the eternal nothingness of death.

i suddenly want my mummy

Hope your ok, Sandee....that must have been scarey having the chest pains and thinking
you might be about to die. Even if someone believes in more than this physical life...while
in the body...we're still going to have all our fears and habitual thoughts/emotions.

Take care.

Well, I would like to see my family members who have passed waiting for me. Maybe Grandma will have a nice screwdriver for me. In my religion you pass into the realm of the ancestors where all is merry and you drink ale, hang out have fun, until it is time to be reborn.

If that is how you felt, then I would go with it. Go see the doctor and have it checked out, you might find that it was a warning of some kind. Then go home and wash the dishes. I was pretty upset because I was lying on my unvacuumed rug. I couldn't figure out what he was all in a panic about. Lol! Don't forget to keep some aspirin nearby, just in case it should happen again.

I do not know what you will see when you die.

I think that there is probably a sensory overload due to the brain shutting down so i would assume an incredibly vivid dream about whatever you saw last or thought of last, provided you live you remember it, if you don't live you don't remember it.

That at least is an answer. I have always believed in reincarnation, but in my version we go over to learn from the mistakes we made in our mortal lifetimes, and prepare to demonstrate and practice that new understanding in our next incarnation in order to move forward and upward, with the guidance and help of our guides, family, and friends. Even our enemies, strong emotion breeds strong connections that have to be worked out. Thank you for being honest, if a little sarcastic.

I think (and hope) when I die I will see perhaps the nicest thing I have done in my life or i will see an example of Love.

And I think the "afterlife", or heaven or whatever you beleive- is what you will you experience after your death. For example if you think that when you die, it will just be like a deep sleep with no dreaming, than that is what you will experience.

But if you think that when you die you will be in a giant Chuck E. Cheese's with unlimited tokens, then you will experience it.

Much like Darkwind, this is what I believe I will see.. I would hope that I would see my dad, uncles, grandparents, friends (who died way too young). Everyone I loved who has already passed... Kind of like my own little welcoming party.

A couple of extra thoughts...

1. I have been there when several loved ones have passed. However, only one of these was different from the rest. She had been unresponsive for a while before she passed. When she was dying, she opened her eyes and I saw terror in them. I had never seen anyone so frightened before in my life. She moaned and cried out... and true she was dying of a painful illness.. But, the hospice people said they'd medicated her so that she wouldn't hurt as much.. I always wondered what it is that scared her. If it was just her mind's last fight, and she was just scared of death itself, the pain, or what?

2. My gramma, when she was reaching the end of her life would speak to me, and tell me that she saw her parents the night before, right there in her room. She would describe her mother and father in detail. She also told me about seeing other people she had loved. Now, she was old, and many may argue that she was imagining or had reverted back to childhood. And I do believe there is a point in that, but I also wonder if maybe she did see her "welcoming party" coming around before she actually passed... to kind of bring her comfort so she wouldn't be afraid when it was time to go. I prefer the latter theory.

Ravergirl,

That was not the case with me. My man Steve should have already been sleeping, and if he had, we wouldn't be having this discussion. All I wanted to do that night was go to the bathroom and take a "dump" (sorry). All I could think about was how very tired I was all of a sudden, I wanted nothing more than to go to sleep. Afterward that's exactly what I did, I refused to go the emergency room because I felt only dehydrated and exhausted. I fell fast asleep and he hovered over me all night waiting to see if I stopped breathing again. I didn't, I woke up feeling great, but wondering why it wasn't my time and what was it that I had left to do.

Mariposa1

I posted what I saw on the border, in an earlier thread. At the time, before it happened, I had only weak religous expectations to shape my experience.

Why were you asked to start this thread?

My mother past away a few years back I was able to witness her leaving this world and have not feared death since. In the final stages of cancer she had slipped into a coma for about a week with little hope of recovery.
On her last day I and my two brothers arrived at the hospital room at the same time which only happened the one time. She awoke from the coma as if nothing was wrong and began to talk to us in her usually witty irish way. She was physically unable to see through her very sick eyes yet commented on our appearance. She spoke with us individually than slipped back into the coma.
In a few minuets her breathing became labored and we called for the nurse. She awoke again and looked at us with tears in her eyes then glanced over to the corner of the room I do not know what or who she saw but suddenly her face brightened into a child like smile, like a kid at Christmas total surprise and happiness. She turned back to us for just one more look with tears again. Then back to the vision in the corner of the room and smiled and left us.
I felt for sure she had left with someone who came for her, and was very happy to go with them.

Irish

having been in that situation do you think it may have something to do with the situation you are in as you [insert death synonym that makes you comfortable]? being peaceful or being terrified play into what you may or may not "see"

Very interesting. As to the first, Steve's mother was very ill for a very long time. She outlived her doctor's predictions by many months, despite the pain she must have been suffering. The fear she exuded was almost tangible. She was afraid of judgment. She had finally realized just how many people she had hurt throughout the years. Lastly her husband, who had wanted nothing more than to hold her hand in her last days. She would rudely ask him what the hell he wanted and he'd sadly shuffle out of the room as she told him to go away. He decided to stop his dialysis treatments and died two weeks later knowing well and good that would happen. She was afraid to go to hell as a Roman Catholic, and I can't imagine the nightmares she created for herself.

The second one is something heard the world over and over and over. Why doubt it? I feel that love connections are so strong that they last for eternity and your loved ones are not only there to meet you, but are around all the time. Watching over you and trying to guide you in the right direction in any way that they can. Whether you can receive that guidance or not is really up to you.

Of course I'm afraid of dying, I think everyone is, some more than others. What I want to happen after death has no bearing on what I think will happen. Death is a solemn journey, one we have to go on alone, what happens afterwards has no bearing on our lives because we cant share it with those who are still alive.

Reason tells me that I'll die and then there will be nothing, but having never died I cant know for sure.

Ravergirl,

You know, that is a very good question. It may have something to do with your core beliefs or expectations, but I have always expected a tunnel, white light etc. and it wasn't anything like that at all. I certainly wasn't aware that I had stopped breathing, so how would I expect to see anything? Who thinks of death when they are sitting on the can? LOL!

Mariposa1

I believe that it is a very normal experience. You meet a guardian spirit who turnes out to be some regular guy or girl, go through an interview process explaining were you are and what you have now become, and then wander around aimlessly for a day in the new city you find yourself in that is populated with people who have recently died. That way you aren't alone in the process. After that i don't guess because the possibilities are endless.

I guess we should run it through every once in a while, since the number of people .....well it gets more common.

CoF,

I don't think I am afraid of dying, but no one in my family is willing to talk about it with me. I have to get things in order so I don't have to worry about them, but everyone seems to want me to live forever. Unfortunately, I don't think that is going to happen. If I am here five years from today, I will be very surprised. While I am here, I would like to help others not to be afraid. Reason and time are of this plane, I don't think they apply after we leave it.

GS,

OK, that's fair. I agree, I do believe I have a guardian. I believe that he has been with me since I was born though, because of a specific dream I had 28 years ago, yet I remember every detail like it was yesterday. I do believe that we rejoin our loved ones and we remember all our other lives. I can't believe that anything is aimless, why have an eternal spirit? I agree that the possibilities are endless as long as we follow Universal laws. You can't just decide you want to be reborn a Donald Trump because you want to see what it's like to be filthy rich. A life must have a higher purpose, a rich spiritual lesson. Or so I believe.

Irish,

That is a beautiful experience, and so rare. Many in my family also expressed joy at seeing someone long passed in the room before the moment of death, and called their name or mentioned that they were there for them and they had to go. It is something if not personally witnessed, very hard to convince others of, isn't it? You were blessed with knowledge, and it gave you comfort, for your mother and for yourself.

Are you sure? Or were you lacking oxygen too? Is probably some of the kinds of reactions you'll get back I'll bet. I totally believe you, and what's more, I am so happy she had that last companion home. God bless her.

Saraswati,

I was on another board and the topic came up because there was a Muslim, Catholic, Christian and Atheist word and quote war going on. Who's book was the "truth". Quote after quote after quote. I got sick of it and asked my question. I got tired of hearing "the truth" that came from a book and from writers that all claim to have the direct ear of God. Many of these texts have been changed, edited, some have entire parts removed, and some are clearly biased. I wanted to hear an honest soul-searching simple answer from the post writer, without benefit of hiding behind learned theology. Another writer thought that it was sufficient to start another thread and asked me to do that. So, I did. Mind you, most of the quoting warmongers were men intent on beating their opposition into the dirt. Nevermind discretion, respect or dual perpective. I was wondering also if I could run a thread, with such a personal theme and not get run over, or let it get that out of control. This is a DISCUSSION board right?

I am interested, I did not see your earlier post. Could you paste it into your reply?

Sandee If I were you I would consult a Doctor about your severe chest pain .don't tough it out ,better to be safe than sorry .it may be nothing at all and then a visit will put your mind at rest

regards fullywired

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...;p=2093287&

If this link shows you the whole thread, what I saw is in post number 7.

Bee,

You're right about that! We'll all find out some day. What sometimes tickles me is the Hammas, Al Qaeda etc. who think they will be rewarded for basically murdering their own men women and children in the name of Allah with virgins, wine and beautiful gardens of plenty. If people like me are right, they are in for a BIG surprise!!! LOL! Wonder how many lives will be tacked on to their journey to make up for it? I wish I could know that. Not out of spite or anger, curiosity maybe. What will be their first reaction as full knowledge opens to them?

Saraswati,

I found that a fascinating story. May I ask couple of questions? What religion were you born into? What did the doctors say had happened to you? Did you fully recover? Do you still fear dying?

Did you know that Spiritualists believe many of the same things that Bhuddists do? They believe that all humans are released into the "Light" because we are beings created from the light which is the Creator. Our many lives are lived in the path to Enlightenment, each life a learning experience meant to put us closer to joining with that light and our Creator. We are our own judges and we choose our own next existence to further our journey, whether it be harsh or comfortable, there is a reason and a lesson to be learned for our betterment. Whether we make good or poor choices in life determines if we are garnering credits or debits in regards to how many more or less lifetimes we have to endure before we don't have to be reborn anymore and have joined with "God". One of their Principles is strictly adhered to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And when you can, go one better. Gratitude, forgiveness, love and healing is what they teach. Mediumship is what they practice. I would be interested in knowing what Sylvia Brown would think of your story. John Edward, James van Pragh. Too bad we'd have to pay to get an answer! Lol!

Sound familiar? Yeah, I think some guy named Jesus wanted us to do that same kind of stuff and for some reason he thought others had come back before him. He went one giant step better, he hinted that he himself was going to be reborn again. There were other guys too all great teachers, all teaching the same kinds of things. Why would these icons think up such a crazy idea like that?

mira , have a listened to some of of the people who tell you what the other side is like, and what they found immediately on passing..

some leslie flint direct voice recordnigs

I have lived a secular and non-traditional life.

My heart, not much recovery, return there I will, soon. Before, I had doubts about what if materialist-atheists were right, or what if the "hell for you if you don't join us" missionaries were right. Now, I do not fear non-existance or a bad afterlife. I fear that complete death might be a crossing that hurts much worse.

There is nothing I know of Sylvia Brown or John Edward or James van Pragh. Comments here say they are not well regarded. Some comments here say I am not believed. A crazy old lady, she is.
So in my ignorance I will not judge them.

The synthetic voice I heard was not like a human voice. It was like they tried to make the sound of a human voice from the sounds of musical instruments. Late in the night, sometimes when I am at the edge of sleep, I can hear it.

I should not tell anyone the next life I saw.

Saraswati,

You may not know of them, and I was being a bit sarcastic when I mentioned them. I don't believe a true Spritualist should sell their wares to the highest bidder like whores. I come from a family of poor people, my great aunts were mediums who helped wayward or lost souls into the light. I guess they call them rescue mediums now. They charged nothing, if you chose to give them a donation, then well and good. It usually went to the church. They were led to believe that if they used their gift for profit, they would lose the abilities they had been born with. Two of their sons tried to do just that and did lose their power to communicate though they could still see them. They were never really the same after that.

Complete death, if I understand your meaning, is not what you fear. Put aside this fear, there will be no place for it. Beyond life there is no pain, unless you turn away from the light in fear and trap yourself here. If there is to be suffering in your next life, when you pass from this one, you will have the knowledge of why you need to choose such a life. You may have just misunderstood what you saw. Nevertheless, it will be clear to you when you pass into the light where you will be met by family and loved ones. Put your faith in the light you see and walk towards it without fear, because there lies well-being, love and knowledge.

Mariposa1

Tiggs,

Everyone else? I think you better read the other posts again and count your "same" ones again. But if that has your vote, then, you are entitled to it. Lack of oxygen then nothing but worms. OK. I wonder if this outlook has any kind of affect on how you see others. How you live your life. How you contribute to society in general and how you see human beings specifically. Someone who thinks that they have nothing to lose lives differently than someone who does. Understand what I am trying to figure out yet?

Thank you your so kind,





Yeah I cleaned up really good and fixed my hair just in case I had to call the paramedics Thank you







Thank you so very much for your concern and kindness all of you. Its rare that someone shows kindness and concern these days, You all prove that its still alive atleast here at UM, Thanks again and I will see a doc, Always a pleasure

What wil I do when I die?

First of all It's gonna be like peaches and Cream, That easy.
Then a bunch of My bros are Gonna come down and escort Me to my Mansion in the top realm of Heaven wher there will be a party to end all parties a reunion of biblical proportions, every one is gonna be there, Jimmy H, is gonna be playen
This is probably not the answer you were looking for, But it is whats gonna happen to my spirit after my Body expires, And Father is gonna take my body and store it, for future use . Dna Because it is a good Body.

Love Omnaka

I wonderedif you would start it, Good job.

Love Omnaka

Because It's true.

Love Omnaka

my grandpa was dead for 6 minutes and he said in that time he saw a white light...but personally I think we see whatever we want to see...

I,m not sure what i,ll see, but i hope i will see Christ, my daughter and granparents, and all my loved ones welcomming me with open arms!

TheWhite light Is Fathers Love light , Or veil, Consciously swim twards it, and be purified.

Many will be afraid of it, and Backpeddal or consciously not Go.

This is how one becomes Earth bound spirit. All earth bound spirits will be Helped Over on the last day.

Love Omnaka

Well, technically, only people that have brains and breathe oxygen. I'm guessing that would be pretty much everyone.

And, yes, this outlook does effect the way you see and treat others.

How do I see others & live my life? To start with, I believe that this life on Earth is all we have. So I try and make the world a better place for myself, my children and everyone within it, rather than just sitting it out and waiting for the afterlife. Human life becomes so much more precious, when you realize that this is all there is. You treat other human beings with the same level of respect, dignity and compassion that you would want them to give to you, because you believe that there is no eternal judge waiting in the afterlife to balance things out.

How do I contribute to society in general? I'm a software designer and I spend a lot of my spare time creating free software for everyone's download and use. I also volunteer as a moderator on these forums. In terms of financial contributions to society, this last year, I gave away more than half of all the money I earned to various charities and friends who needed help, with absolutely no expectation of repayment (or reward in the afterlife). If you hadn't asked the question specifically, no-one (other than those friends and charities) would ever have known.

We disagree, however, on the definition of "someone who thinks that they have nothing to lose". For me, that definition would be someone that thinks they're going to live forever, and who thinks that what happens here on Earth is just a test / game that doesn't really matter, as long as they say they're sorry before they die.

This is all I have. I (and my children who follow after me) have everything to lose.

None of us actually knows for sure what will happen to us when we die.
For me....if I thought that there was going to be nothing...I'd be thinking...what IS the point?
What IS the point of going through all this.....for NOTHING!
I take your point (that you make later) about doing the best you can, and the right thing for
generations to come....but what is the point of it all....if this is all there is? Those of us who
have a fairly comfortable life.....an accident of birth, perhaps you would say....well it's fine for
us. But what about the people in utter, miserable poverty...the children who have a short life
and suffer a terrible illness? They can't get all generous...and giving....they are STUFFED...if this
is all there is. It just doesn't feel right...that life should be so RANDOM and UNFAIR.

Perhaps this is all there is.....but what an utterly rubbish affair this life on earth is.....if this is
all that there is.....




I don't think that 'living forever'.....or reincarnation (IF that's a reality)....is the easy option...a game.
The easy option would be.....do what the hell you want to....because none of it actually matters.....
if...when you're gone your gone. If....when we're ALL gone we're gone.

On balance...I do believe there is life (of some kind) after death....but believing this is more of a
responsibility (for me) than thinking....what I actually do, think, create....is more or less pointless...
because....this is all that there is.

I understand the 'next generation' arguement....the being good....because it's the right thing to do
arguement....but something inside me says......"what's the point?....if this is all there is."

But as I do think there's something more than...this life....I do think ultimately...everything matters.

Blimey....that was almost a rant.....

Nothing. You'll be dead.

my answer to your question is you will see what you see now. Plus all or most of your dead friends and family

Let me tell you a personal story that came from my late father. My mother had a stroke back in 1980 that left her paralyzed on one side of her body but didn't effect her speech ,etc. Anyhow, we took care of her at home until she passed away from another stroke. Daddy told us the night she passed away,he had a dream with her in it.In the dream he said to her,Emma,you're walking!,To which she replied Yes,Fred,I'm all better now. Daddy then said he and momma started walking in this beautiful garden.They encountered other people,some of whom he recongnized and known .And they talked to their friends. My dad had no reason to lie about this dream. We asked if he had heard "The Singer", and he said no,instead he had a dream about momma and him walking in a beautiful garden.

Who is "The Singer"? Well my dad would always have a premonition dream.Whenever someone in the family was going to pass away,he would have a dream in which he would hear this beautiful woman's voice singing.He never saw in the dream who was singing,just hear this beautiful voice.


no one said life is fair.Perhasp as they say it's Karma.Those who were rich and greedy in a past life,now in this one live in poverty.Those who were killers in the past are now the murder victims of today. No one knows for sure.But there must be something after death,or ancient man would not have buried objects with the dead like tools or other things.
This belief in an afterlife is so ancient in mankind,that one can hardly guess the source for such a belief.

Beautiful story about your late father and the dream...garden...it's all subjective....but
I do think that this is the kind of thing that will happen....to most/many people.

Re. fairness and karma. I think that it boils down to this......

Either life IS unfair and random....or.... karma is a reality.

What could be more fair than karma?





This is true.