A team of scientists and researchers from Hong Kong and Turkey claimed to have discovered the remains of Noah's Ark on top of Mount Ararat in Turkey. In the summer of 2007, the fourth expedition to Mount Ararat yielded results. Inside a cave on the mountain they discovered a wooden structure measuring 11.5 meters in width and 2.6 meters in height. The findings are not only a significant breakthrough in the search for the remains of the Ark but is also backed by filmed documentation and material evidence


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=021_1201008278&p=1

Hmmm the whole ark 38 x 8 feet?, sounds like a mediocre yacht to me... the kind even I can afford. And I would like to see some " film" evidence. All they show is some jokers treppsing around on a mountain, which may or may not be Ararat.

Yeah, they've been finding the Ark every 10 years or so, and it's always debunked. This sounds like another hoax. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the bible give the dimensions of the Ark? I think it was in cubits or something like that. Either way, what was found sounds like it's way too small to fit all the animals in.

Actually some italian guy found the ark there long time ago...


He also took photografical evidence:

http://www.noahsark.it/home_inglese.htm

And regarding the size,

You really think that the biblical story is true and only ONE boat was built and thus saved all of mankind and all animals?

Obviously, many people had boats back then, and thus many "arks" were floating around until the flood went away.

There has been many arks found, in the meaning of large boats on high mountains etc, just check it up (im too lazy to find the references right now)

And the whole world is filled with ancient stories of the flood from all corners of the planet independently of eachother, so Içm sure something really happened:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flood-myths.html

À pretty comprehensive list of most of them.

Interesting links and data compiled. One thing that's kind of tinkering in my head while reading through the articles is if it is indeed Noah's Ark, how did it ended inside a cave in the first place?

same question.. the bible mention on the peak of a mountain. not inside a cave.. it must've been moved during the past centuries or so.

about the video from this site

why wouldn't they excavate the boat or something.

No offence but a video of a piece of wood sticking out of a glacier is hardly evidence of Noah’s ark. I could be the remains of an old tree. Honestly from the poor quality of the video it could have been a rock for all we know.

As for creationist link that is defiantly not credible evidence.

Even if they did find a large ark, what difference does it make? The Bible clearly states that the point of Noah's Ark was to get one of each pair of animal on Earth... there are thousands and thousands of animals -- they could not have all possibly fit on one ship, let alone on one as modest in size as Noah's.

Its called exagaration . its called turning five feathers into ten chickens.

Of course, believing one boat would fit every species of the whole world would be ludicrious to say the leas.

It is obvious, that if the flood happen (which is most likely did according to ancient accounts and other evidence) it were more than one boat, more than one person smart enough to sail on the waves and find some shorelands somewhere to settle down..

Peace

I'm going with my own theory here that the almighty shrunk all the animals to 1/10th their original size to fit thee all in. Some may have become extinct along the way cos moses & his peers accidentally stepped on em while they were tanked on holy vino?

-_-' There was a program about Noah's Ark in Turkey. On a mountain. The Turkish government gave the group premission to visit the site. The locals called it something & one local actually went up there & visited the "ark."

I think the government closed the country to the group. And they had to leave.

It's the samething! Its always been ontop of that mountain. It's not moving.

Hmm.. good one, I think I'll name it: teoria rebelicus cause it makes as much sense as all the others with titles

That is a good theory Rebel, at least as good an explanation as any other I have heard.

I heard a guy on the PTL club show once explain that god had made all of the animals hibernate so Noah just sort of stacked them in there floor to ceiling. I like yours the best.
Just for kicks, here is a pic of me with Tammy Faye, the comic relief from the old PTL club. The pic was taken a couple odf years ago.

There was never a flood that could reach the top of Ararat. I'm sure this, like it always has been since people have been looking for an ark, will turn out to a case of misidentification or outright hoax.

Capeo,

Sure there was a flood. An Ark too.

But these guys didn't find it, I did.

Yeah, see? I found it in my backyard last year. Put it on my keychain.

Harte

assume that both evolution and creation are true for a moment.

If Noah put a pair of every species of animal on the ark the ark wouldn't hold them, buuut what if instead of two of every sub-species he olnly had one kind of canine, one kind of feline, a couple primates, or a large and small pair of each major family and those animals evolved into the sub-species that number thousands upon thousands today?

And how did he collect these animals? You can't expect us to belive that they walked half way around the world to get there, most animals wouldn't have made it off their own continents. Not to mention getting them back where they belonged afterwards.


To put things in to perspective, the average elephant eats hundreds of pounds of vegetation each day and drinks up to 50 gallons of water.

In order for the animals to remain alive for the duration of the voyage, there would have to have been a whole fleet of arks to carry the fresh water and food required, not to mention that not all animals are happy "eating grass".

The story of Noah's ark cannot and should not be taken literally.

Sorry but that makes little sense, both scientifically, spiritually and from my own experience with all.

As far I can see, there were many "arks" which I will from now simply call "boats.

And these boats were filled with people, mostly family and friends I would assume, as well as some of the food and animals they needed to survive for some time.

Also, the flood most probably (and even obvioulsy, if we shall take the interpretations of the bible in consideration) did not cover ALL of the earth, but just the lower parts, mostly I would think those close to the ocean level - just as with today if all the glaciers melts etc large parts of the world will be flooded and many will die yet many will surive who live on higher hills or got themselves some boats to float around in.

Noah and his ark is just ONE of the people and boats that must have been present at the time. It is completely ridicolous to believe he was the ONLY person smart enough to get his buttocks on to a boat when the waters started coming, after all boats where not something unknown back then.

And, as said, large parts of the world were NOT submerged in water.

It is interesting however, that this might relate to the destruction of atlantis, which per the explanations were submerged by water..

I still believe from own research that South Amercia / Central America was Atlantis.

Look at my previously posted articles about that part.

Bless ye

i think its all boloney and chese srry for bad spelling crappy computer

I don't mind the spelling, but I certainly can't agree with you.

There simply is no cheese involved in this one.

Harte

You do have to remember that we are talking about God, all God has to do is think it and its done,If he wanted all the animals on some boat, they will fit,at the same time, again we are talking about God, why not just wipe all the bad people away and start all over,or.....Has that already happen?

Hmmm

I think the God part came into the picture far after the actual flood and Noahs boat floating around. Well, if there WAS a real flood of course, but personally I believe it was, too much indications towards it to simply deny it. And with all the water on this planet, a flood wouldnt really be that special in any case

I think you haven't really thought this through, (imagine that).

I would rather imagine that at the instant the first ancient man realized that a strange weather occurrence were happening at all, including much less epic events as the flood, he would have been running around trying to decipher why the "gods" were doing this. This seems to be exactly what they did to most any unfamiliar event, blame the "gods".

Thats why there are not any dinosaurs. Only Dino's left are the ones who could survive in a flood. I.E Lockness, prehistoric fish found off the coast of southern Africa.

If you will read the Bible in book of Genesis Chapter 1 verse 6 (and quit listening to what the devil wants you to believe) it clearly states there was another layer.
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And he called the firmament Heaven." Genesis 1:6-8
If the Firmament dropped out of the sky it would cover the ENTIRE world even the highest mountains.
This layer of water above the earth explains why people lived longer and animals grew larger because it helped to block the suns radiation. This is not a theory and has been scientifically proven in a hyperbolic chamber.
http://www.geocities.com/johnh_vanbc/bible/preflood.html
When God was displeased and the whole world was corrupt and controlled by the children of fallen angels called nephillium.
Genesis 6:4-9 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
What that means is that Noah loved God and followed his word and his bloodline was not tainted by the fallen angels(demons) and so he was chosen.
Not only has the ark been discovered but the wall of nehemiah in Israel has just been discovered which is another sign Jesus is about to return.
All prophecies concerning the second coming has come to pass except the rebuilding of the temple(which is in the works) and the middle east peace agreement with Israel.This is happening now!!
Bible says some one will come out of the revived roman empire(United Nations to make peace (and that person will be the Antichrist) Israel will agree to split Jerusalem with the Muslims. The peace agreement will only last 2 years then Russia(Gog of Magog) will state "I will go against them who are at peace" will come from the north and begin the war of all wars.

Right, and Armstrong flew to the moon in a submarine.... and the Earth is flat and the sun turns around it....

...spare me.

*wanders in*

*sniffs the air*

*notices Rebel*

Hmm...do you smell something Fundie in here too?

The bible has been edited multiple times.
Remember that guys...

This is true but to what extent? What is true and what is filled in?

The first mistake is to try to view the fable of Noah's Ark as something that actually happened.

The second mistake is to think that there was actually a flood that encompassed the entire world or at least a large portion of it, because the geological and archaeological record clearly demonstrate that nothing of the sort happened. A large, local flood may have been possible, however. The archaeological record does bear this out in Mesopotamia.

And most importantly, to biblical scholars and philologists and other historians who have studied this, it is obvious that Noah's Ark is merely an ancient Judaic adaptation of a portion of the much older Mesopotamian epic of Gilgamesh. The ancient Hebrews did not even possess a written language till the Early Iron Age, sometime after 1,000 BCE, while the oldest versions of the Gilgamesh epic, written in Sumerian cuneiform on clay tablets, date to around 2,000 BCE. This is a long time before there were a people identifiable as the Hebrews or even a god of the pantheons of the Near East known as Yahweh.

Some of the parallels which demonstrate how closely the Judaic scribes followed the older Mesopotamian story:

• The gods/God decided to send a worldwide flood that would destroy all living beings except for those on the ark.
• The gods/God knew of only one man worthy to be saved: Ut-Napishtim in the Gilgamesh story and of course Noah in Genesis.
• The gods/God ordered the hero of the fable to build an ark of specific size and dimensions and to use pitch to seal it.
• The ark would have internal compartments and only one door, and would accommodate the hero, his family, and a selection of animals.
• The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
• The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to search out dry land.
• The first two birds returned to the ark; the third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
• The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, and offered it as a sacrifice.
• Both the Mesopotamian gods and the biblical God ended up regretting the great destruction that the flood had caused.

These are just some examples. Clearly it would be a monumental simplification to state that it was merely a coincidence that the Hebrew scribes who crafted the Old Testament stumbled upon so many key parallels with a much older, pagan fable.

I concede that not all biblical scholars are in agreement. A scholar named Lambert Dolphin maintains that the flood in Genesis dates between 2,500 and 3,500 BCE, but Dolphin uses the Bible itself to establish these dates. That's a mistake. The Bible is not a work of history and can never stand alone as a means to date events. There's also the possibility that the Mesopotamian scribes of around 2,000 BCE adapted the flood of the Gilgamesh epic from an even older story, meaning that the Hebrews adapted it from the Mesopotamians who adapted it from someone else, as yet unknown. The truth is no one can be sure how far back the Gilgamesh epic may first have been written. However, a lot of it is built in mythology around an actual king by the name of Gilgamesh, who ruled the city of Uruk around 2,700 BCE, so the Mesopotamian version likely cannot predate that.

It's also possible that the Jewish story is based on the memory fragments of an actual event that occurred in Mesopotamia long before the Jews became a kingdom and began to write down their history, in the Early Iron Age. The archaeological record does suggest the possibility of a massive flood in the area of Mesopotamia, and something like that could have easily ended up in the mythology of numerous peoples from that region.

But Noah's Ark as an actual, historical event? No, of course not.

Of course, the bible in its old testament is more tha obviously a "spin off" and re-tale of the more ancient sumerian religious system as you point out yourself.

However, regarding the Ark and Flood, I'd say there is enough evidence for this to most likely have occured. It is written in the ancient history of all the world so to speak, so something happpened, they didnt come up with these similarities by incident.

Nor would they really make such a story in the first place if something really didnt happen, considering there are many witnesses to the same thing, many whom have written about it, at different places of the world.

Here is a scientific paper about evidence that links the biblical tales to real facts:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/99/11/flood.html

Of course, this one just mention the Black Sea area, but that on its own indicates that something happened around the world at other places at same time as it is rather unlikely it was a separate event happening only in this area considering the other evidence found around the world such as petrified boats up high in the mountains and stories of the flood all over the world such as:

This national geographics report:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...7_noahsark.html (not sure of the outcome of this as tis couple years old)

Other possible petrified boat:
http://www.detailshere.com/images/Noah-ark.jpg
http://www.detailshere.com/noahsark.htm

ABC News story about boat in the mountains:
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2133311

Of course these are just a couple much more around the world.

Some related:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/flood_ge...ogical_evidence

Lets ransack the Vatican Vault and find out...

There is only one God and if you think this is a fable I hope you enjoy your time here on earth because when you die you will spend the rest of eternity burning, isolated and suffering in HELL.
Scientist are ignorant to things they cannot explain so in their mind if they can't explain it it must not have happened. That's why you do not get the truth if you rely purely on science.
I know the story you are referring to and it is just another deception. Recently it has been proven Archaeologist cannot accurately predict the time line of rocks as thought so you can throw that theory out the window. As much as you try you cannot prove the Bible to be incorrect. Open your eyes before it is to late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvyQRdlKiwI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrvp-8oDok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNz1Jd-Umec...feature=related

Oh Pleeaase, where did you come from???? Read your own goddam bible, there is NO hell, there is Gehella, a burning pit of human refuse just outside Jeruasalem ( a landfill), It is you Bible -bashers that have no grip on reality, you want everyone to bow down before your false god and give up progress. You people make me sick with your ignaorance!!!!

Ok... It seems you are the Bible basher and obviously don't have a clue to what you are saying. Until you learn how to spell ignorance or Jerusalem you shouldn't use large words like that because that proves to me you are r******ed.

Maybe it's a prop from the new Rick Moranis film " Honey I shrunk the Ark "

Them, ^{excuse me} *cough cough* so called Scientists & Researchers that discovered & 'actually believe' in their finding, i'd seriously be questioning their sanity...either that or just a little too much

Oh please, PureTruth, dial back the ridiculous religious zealotry. That sort of thinking belongs in the distant path, when the Church buried logic and science because it was too afraid to accept the evidence that was plain to see.

You do realize, don't you, that the biblical hell did not even exist until much later in biblical times? The original versions of the Old Testament do not even contain our concepts of the devil or hell because they didn't even exist yet.



Science is about explaining things. If it can be tested in a lab, the results reproduced, the evidence demonstrated through philology or other historical means, then it's science. If a person denies all science and simply says, "God did it," it's the lazy copout of organized religion. It is you who are denying what you don't understand, it is you who are turning your back on what science can demonstrate, so instead of enlightening yourself, your best defense is to tell your opponent he's going to hell. Am I suppose to take you seriously?



I know of no such case where we cannot scientifically determine the age of things. Is science always correct? No. No one claims it is. But the strength of science is that we can build on what we know and refine our knowledge. With organized religion one's understanding is static and stagnant. Again, a copout.

A common argument for religious fundamentalists and creationists and intelligent designers is that science has been proven wrong. No such thing is true. Fundamentalists have no solid argument to make so they try to detract from that which actually provides answers. The recent Dover court case in the U.S. proved how duplicitous and dishonest the fundamentalists are, and the judge shredded the whole intelligent design argument, ruling that religion is not science. You can see how the future is going, PureTruth. It is now judicial precedent. Religion has its place in personal growth and enrichment, but it is not science and does not belong in schools.

If you actually know the Gilgamesh story to which I am referring, and understand its history and place in time, you would not call it a deception.

And by the way, just because I do not view the Bible as history or science does not mean I'm an atheist. I've simply come to understand the history of the Bible and how and why it was written. Anyone who takes the time to study these things will arrive at the same conclusions. I do in fact believe in God, but my beliefs are different from yours. I respect your passion for your religion, but to say that I am going to hell because of this, or that someone is going to hell because he or she does not worship the same way you do, is the height of supreme arrogance and is emblematic of the many horrors down through time for which organized religion is responsible.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

And by the way, PureTruth, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a debater, do not cite YouTube!

Now, would you like to debate the issue on the merits of history and provide evidence for your argument, or do you merely wish to use your religion as a club?

Oh ye of little faith!!

Yea......I'm thinkin this belongs in one of the religion threads at this point