Not sure if this is the right place to put this but here goes. I just received an email with the following links about an asteroid which may hit/pass by earth on monday or tuesday next week. I'm not up on this sort of thing and find most of it goes over my head and Im wondering if this is just a hoax or something which may really be about to happen. From what I can make out even if the asteroid doesnt hit us it could pass by us and cause all sorts of problems - earthquakes/firestorms etc

The links do actually contradict each other, this one states that it wasn't known about until 3 months ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Y6L9-VmK8

but this one is a news report from 2002 and seems to be about the same asteroid http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2148734.stm

and this one seems to be saying theres nothing to worry about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6Fz502xtyI...feature=related

also the asteroid has different numbers after the TU so I'm not even sure its the same thing



Sorry if this has been discussed before, I dont come on here very often

These story's happen allot.
If it were the big one meaning the one that would REALLY cause problems like thousands ending up dead then this would be addressed to the entire nation.

The governement doesn't have that big of a black heart to not let us know.

That whole"They will panick and Anarky"doesn't apply here like in the reveal of ET.
Believe it.

Greetz,
Lex

Hi!

This is an update from NASA


follow this link to NASA for the full details http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news157.html

So, no need to panic, just Youtube up to its usual standards!!!!

Thanks lex, I kinda guessed that if it were a big asteroid then we would all have heard about it, it was because it was a 'little' one that I was feeling slightly panicky. Part of me was thinking 'aww its just either a hoax or its something too far away to affect us' yet a part of me was thinking 'eek what if it isnt?'

hi keithisco and thanks for that. The panic is now subsiding lol

source: http://www.tu24.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=144

Apparently, you are not the only one who feels that something is about to happen.

Christ that'a a weak quote...



They feel that somethings going to happen???? This sort of stuff depresses me hugely - its a sad day when you realise the levels of stupidity we're up against.

It is just what people are talking about Emma...sorry if it depresses you. Why do events have to be bad ones, can they be positive?

Edit for update:

at http://www.tu24.org/
They have changed there alert status from level 3 low disturbance to level 2 exercise caution. Also it has been noted that NASA JPL Goldstone is offline for the days leading up to this event...Two Asteroids, Two Planets, Two days - what will happen?

offline: http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroids/goldsto...d_schedule.html

When mysticism "replaces" scientific reasoning, that should "depress" everyone.

I went to that site!.... I wish I hadn't, nothing scientific it was just "Oh, I feel this, or I feel that" Jeez, these people should just go and get a tinfoil hat because that will make them feel better...

For me this is a positive event because I will go up into the Sierra Guadarrama (Madrid) with my 4" refractor and watch as TU24 glides by, I will have some Tapas, and some Patxoran to wash it down with and me and my friends (both sexes) will have enjoyed a geat evening. Life really doesn't get any better than this....

Its not the events per se, its the importance that people put on these ridiculous new age "feelings" and the belief that the Earth is in store for some "age of aquarius" style transformation.

Whereas back in reality......



There's just more important things going on. Millennia ago people believed that mysticism could change the world. Why should we waste 2000 years of progress???

If it hits, I hope it's Monday.

I don't wanna go to work.

Ah I hate it when someone sums everything you're thinking in one sentence.

And there I am fumbling around trying to get the words out and making no sense.

Pah.

If you get any pics post them here... enjoy the show.

Damn....wish I could join you. As it stands now, I'm looking at overcast skies when it passes by....darn it!

The invite is open to all There will be a good crowd of us, just enjoying life...

Mysticism or spiritualism? People are spiritual beings Emma. ...you are posting on a paranormal forum and not a skeptic's forum...why? You seem to be in search of something yourself.

What concern is it of yours?? Is there some reason Emma shouldn't post to this forum??

I am viewing this topic over at ATS and a poster named mungodave has posted something from an apparent NASA insider. I believe mungodave to be none other than David Serada.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread328087/pg1

Whoa horsey...Heat down Betty!! Why the hostility? For the most part I like Emma's posts. What's your problem?

Meh, we're all friends here.

In response to the "spiritual" comment, y'know what? I don't believe we are. I mean we have these outmoded ideas of what the spirit is and what its for and what it means to be "spiritual" but to what ends?

What evidence to we have that this idea of humans being "spiritual" has any grounding at all? Because the church tells us we are? Pffft. Away with yer.

The spiritual feelings we get, our fear of death and thoughts of the afterlife and the way we cling to religion is just what sets us aside from animals. It doesn't mean any of its true.

Unknown Dead, could you boil this waffling down into a useful sentence please? I'm having difficulty today.

There is no evidence for the "spirituality" of human beings.



How about this...once humanity "discovered" that it could not live forever...that we all must eventually die, then the belief emerged that there must be something beyond our lives.

...and as I just posted, there is no evidence for that...it's "belief" driven reasoning.

It all boils down to people are afraid to die.

Sentient emotions...feelings of Love, fear, happiness, hate, anger, peaceful, joyful, frustrated, contemplative and host of others...the things that separate us from the animals.

hmm it really did go way over my head, I didnt even connect the 2 asteroids, 2 planet thing, I thought it was one asteroid going past earth and getting to mars in a couple of days thought it got there fast anyway now Im back panicking again

Thats a brilliant idea. You all have a great time

No need to worry about TU24 ...its going to fly past Earth at a distance of around 600,000 kms

However Im keen to follow up info on 2007 WD5 that will shave past Mars just 4,000 kms from Mars surface on 31 Jan... now thats helluva close shave

Just to put the scaremongering to "bed" once and for all, have a look at this video, follow the links mentioned, and sleep as though in the arms of Morpheus....

Chill

the age of aquarius is part of 'reality'. it is part of a procession of the stars that have been calculated and measured thousands of years in advance by people that should have no knowledge of these things. this includes a physical change in the placement of the earth against the stars, as well as our orbit. we are creatures of this earth= it effects us.

Animals feel most of those things as well y'know. And what I'm trying to say is that those things are a by product of our evolution - they are not, as religion would have us believe - evidence of some "spirit" or "soul".



No, it is not part of objective, emperical "reality", no more than the fact it is 3 o'clock now. It is a man-made unit of measurement. Sure ancient people could measure precession (its spelled with an 'e', which is further evidence you're not really sure what you're talking about) - they wouldn't have needed 25,000 years worth of measurements to work it out. The idea that its an "age" and that it is associated with "aquarius" are both entirely human inventions. Therefore: meaningless.

I always did wonder why man was so arrogant to think that the universe would be so courteous as to do it's workings on our time measurements. Giant killer asteroids don't care if it's 3:00 p.m. on a sunday in London on some obscure tiny little planet somewhere. There is no correlation to any time measurements on earth and the rest of the universe.

The 'age of aquarius' only counts on earth.

And it's a pretty lame song too.

you can always rely on spelling corrections..
i guess im not even sure what your point is?.. you are correct that you dont need 25000 years to figure it out- but this is a complex formula used out by people who didnt even invent the 'wheel' yet.
yes it is a unit of measurement- just like gallons, pounds, dollars, miles, and a lot of other things that effect us (me anyway.). but not sure why that means it doesnt matter- it effects the earth, our orbit , our rotation, etc . its something that happens. just like when the sun comes up in the morning- thats the way things work around here.
lol entirely human inventions?. we just marked it with names. like monday.. or july.
i will try keep a few mistypes in aound to give you something to work with.
clem

No, our orbit and our rotation etc affect the way we measure it, not the other way round. The idea of "ages" is ridiculous. We're measuring the precession of stars through the sky - meaning that we're presumming that the earth is at the centre of everything then?

Because if it isn't, how on earth does anything that goes up there have any effect on what happens down here?

And if it is, then we might as well forget everything science has leant in the last 2000 years.

Unfortunately there are those who would be quite satisfied with that...

Did I say unfortunately? I meant sadly.

the 'ages' are always changing because our position is always changing. this effects us. the sun comes up in the morning, things warm up. this effects us.
the naming of these ages is just a byproduct of what our planet is doing in the lil dance we got goin on in our solar system. i hope you dont think our tilt, our orbit, our moon, other planets, the sun, doesnt effect the earth. our magnets point toward north right now(technical stuff aside)- that is because this is where we are right now in our precession. little changes add up to big changes over time.
so implying i think everything revolves around the earth, though witty, seems like kindof a reach. we CARE about what happens to the earth, being our home and all, so most of what we tend to say comes from the earth's point of view. we both know we are the sun's orbital slave. and didnt think we were discussing if the earth was round or flat, so again, not sure what your point was.
clem

But the "ages" are invented by humans. They rely on the fact that the earth has a certain viewpoint in the galaxy, that things move through the sky in a certain way. But these "ages" - in exactly the same way as dates such as 2000, 2012, etc - have no bearing on events on earth.

Saying "oh, things are going to change in the age of aquarius" is utterly moronic - how can the passing of stars make any difference to life on earth? Its exactly the reason that astrology is so ridiculous - it places the earth at the centre of the universe in a way that would make the church blush.

(oh, and for the record - our magnets point north because that is where magnetic north is - it has nothing to do with prescession)

The obvious answer is the passing of stars can not effect life on Earth, but unfortunately if you take enough people and enough crazy prophecies.... You can get a self fulfilling prophecy, whereby these people actually make a difference through numbers to the general population with the passing of ages, or whatever as their motivation.

Again this is not a direct result of the stars, but tell that to this group of believers and those not educated!

magnetic north is where it is BECAUSE of precession. AGAIN- the stars are just the background to our planet's position(= how the earth floats around in space,), and how our little planets/moons/sun/ space rocks/ etc. react to one another . things as we know them are not as they have always been. LITTLE CHANGES ADD UP OVER TIME.
THIS IS AS SIMPLE AS I CAN MAKE IT.
the 'ages' are based in physical movement. just like the solstice (yes the name 'solstice' does nothing-but it is named for a physical position of our earth relative to the sun.)
you are correct the stars so many light years away dont do anything to us. that would be silly.
lol and yes.. our magnets point north cause thats where magnetic north is. good call.
clem.
again you used the 'i think earth is center of everything'argument . wondering if you read these..

I dont understand the reasoning here... if I made a side by side scale representation of the Earth to this asteroid you would see why this whole idea that this asteroid would effect "anything" would look ridiculous

Imagine a pixel on your computer screen, that is the asteroid.
Now put something beside that pixel to represent the earth... hmm... a 2000 sqft house might be about the size.

Now lets imagine distance with these representations... that pixel will be how far away from that house? lets say its at least 45 houses away.

Now can you see how some might wonder about the logic of this asteroid effecting anything?

Even if you beefed up the asteroid to a softball size.... you still have it at 45 houses away,

You're completely wrong - precession changes the pole star over time, but has NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on the magnetic north.

magnetic field
magnetic north moving
just 2 of many links about the moving of magnetic north. (if you dont like the source (a common rebuttle), feel free to find other links).. the precession is not the sole cause of this, but where the earth is in our solar system does effect our magnetic field.