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Bee Eff
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11 September 2007 Elder Henry B. Eyring’s remarks at the Mountain Meadows Massacre Sesquicentennial on 11 September 2007, in Washington County, Utah.

We believe it is our obligation to understand and learn from the past. For this reason, the Church responded favorably several years ago to the request of three experienced and able historians, Ronald W. Walker, Richard E. Turley, Jr., and Glen M. Leonard, to cooperate with their researching of a book about the awful event that occurred here a century and a half ago. The book they are writing is nearly complete and will be published in coming months by Oxford University Press under the title Massacre at Mountain Meadows.

Although they are Church employees, the authors have retained full editorial control and have drawn their own conclusions from the exhaustive body of historical material they assembled. They have been given full access to all relevant materials held by the Church. Two of the significant conclusions they have reached are (1) that the message conveying the will and intent of Brigham Young not to interfere with the immigrants arrived too late, and (2) that the responsibility for the massacre lies with local leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the regions near Mountain Meadows who also held civic and military positions and with members of the Church acting under their direction.

Although no event in history can fully be known, the work of these three authors has enabled us to know more than we ever have known about this unspeakable episode. The truth, as we have come to know it, saddens us deeply. The gospel of Jesus Christ that we espouse, abhors the cold-blooded killing of men, women, and children. Indeed, it advocates peace and forgiveness. What was done here long ago by members of our Church represents a terrible and inexcusable departure from Christian teaching and conduct. We cannot change what happened, but we can remember and honor those who were killed here.
This book will probably be a good source for research on the subject.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Feb 4 2008, 05:21 PM) *
This book will probably be a good source for research on the subject.


I am aware of this one and am looking forward to reading it....
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 4 2008, 05:55 PM) *
It also is said over and over that FLDS adheres to the views of Joesph Smith and how it was interpreted/implemented in those days ..LDS takes a different stance nowadays after polygamy ended........
The book stated this? I assure you that any credible historian would agree that the LDS church holds closer to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's teachings than any other sect. The term fundamentalist is used by FLDS and other such groups to describe themselves because they believe such is true. Not because it is true. The only aspect of the early church leader's teachings these sects follow more closely than the LDS is the polygamy issue.

Joseph Smith taught that the Prophet was the only one that could receive revelation from God for the entire Church. Upon the signing of the Manifesto (the suppression of polygamy in the LDS Church), these groups decided he was not a Prophet and split from the Church. The early Prophets also taught that if a Prophet were going to teach a false doctrine that God would strike them down prior to such occurring. Wilford Woodruff did not have this happen, were these fundamentalist groups following the early Church's teachings then?
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 4 2008, 05:55 PM) *
Last night a 60 minutes was on an interview with Pres. Hinkley before he died I watched it and when he was asked about these things he said this is in the past we are moving forward. that one had to understand that those were different times....
I do not believe you understood the meaning behind Gordon B. Hinkley's statement. It was not a reference to us not following early Church teachings. It was him brushing aside a specific question that did not deal with the agreed topic of the interview. Also, you have quoted him inaccurately, such a statement did not occur in the 1996 interview. His statement was, "It's behind us" in reference to Blacks not being ordained to the priesthood.
truethat
Sheri could you go back and change the word MORON to MORMON if that's what you meant. I find it strange that you'd leave a glaring insult like that with the "oops spelling error excuse" without going back and correcting it. Just click on the edit button. Its quite simple.






Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE (truethat @ Feb 5 2008, 09:34 AM) *
Sheri could you go back and change the word MORON to MORMON if that's what you meant. I find it strange that you'd leave a glaring insult like that with the "oops spelling error excuse" without going back and correcting it. Just click on the edit button. Its quite simple.

True, did you have an opinion about SD ???
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Feb 4 2008, 05:57 PM) *
The book stated this? I assure you that any credible historian would agree that the LDS church holds closer to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's teachings than any other sect. The term fundamentalist is used by FLDS and other such groups to describe themselves because they believe such is true. Not because it is true. The only aspect of the early church leader's teachings these sects follow more closely than the LDS is the polygamy issue.

Joseph Smith taught that the Prophet was the only one that could receive revelation from God for the entire Church. Upon the signing of the Manifesto (the suppression of polygamy in the LDS Church), these groups decided he was not a Prophet and split from the Church. The early Prophets also taught that if a Prophet were going to teach a false doctrine that God would strike them down prior to such occurring. Wilford Woodruff did not have this happen, were these fundamentalist groups following the early Church's teachings then?
I do not believe you understood the meaning behind Gordon B. Hinkley's statement. It was not a reference to us not following early Church teachings. It was him brushing aside a specific question that did not deal with the agreed topic of the interview. Also, you have quoted him inaccurately, such a statement did not occur in the 1996 interview. His statement was, "It's behind us" in reference to Blacks not being ordained to the priesthood.



Bee, I am aware of the diffenrce between LDS and FLDS... the latter supports the polygamy revelation by JS.


I feel that the early teachings were fundamentalist I addressed this in a early question to you...


when one party feels they are 'right' period beyond reason, beyond the desire to adapt the the whole, to allow the same space for all others then yes this is fundamentalism, or extreme pov which in history more than not someone/s gets hurt ..many haved killed to be right or died to be right......at that time it was not a secret that Smilh was in a rebellion with the goverment, he felt that he was above mans laws....

I am not gonna go back over it as it has been brought in...
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 5 2008, 11:09 AM) *
Bee, I am aware of the diffenrce between LDS and FLDS... the latter supports the polygamy revelation by JS.


I feel that the early teachings were fundamentalist I addressed this in a early question to you...


when one party feels they are 'right' period beyond reason, beyond the desire to adapt the the whole, to allow the same space for all others then yes this is fundamentalism, or extreme pov which in history more than not someone/s gets hurt ..many haved killed to be right or died to be right......at that time it was not a secret that Smilh was in a rebellion with the goverment, he felt that he was above mans laws....

I am not gonna go back over it as it has been brought in...

Mormon refers to the LDS Church, using the term to refer to the other groups that splintered off the LDS Church is a misnomer. When people refer to Mormons, they think of the LDS Church. We, Mormons, are not the fundamentalist groups, or any other sect. When you use the term in reference to other groups, you are causing further misconceptions about my beliefs, which there are already a great number. The LDS Church is still too much of a mystery to most people, they cannot distinguish these fundamentalist groups from the LDS Church.

Also, a fundamentalist group has a different perspective on what was important in the early history of the Church than the LDS Church does, that is why they splintered off. This perspective will color their perception of the history. I prefer to go with the majority on what occurred as I cannot believe the majority at the time of the various splinterings were less correct than the minority, as far as their historical accounts. Thus, your Under the Banner of Heaven portrays a Joseph Smith that reflects the views of the Laferty Brothers. The text written by Brodie, reflects her views of LDS Doctrine. The Lafferty's were violent and felt religiously justified in their actions, is it any wonder their story emphasises such in the early Church leaders? Brodie's book I am sure emphasises the aspects of the early Church Brodie felt strongly about as well. When people write concerning topics they are emotionally invested in, their perceptions will color their texts no matter their attempt to be wholly objective. Religion is a subject that no one writes from an unbiased position.

The FLDS do not merely support Polygamy. They denied the revelation given to Wilford Woodruff, a prophet that they had sustained as such. This means that God's mouthpiece on Earth was denied. They agree with this, they claim that when he made the statement he ceased to be a prophet. It is not as simple as other religions where all views are simply that, views, in the LDS Church, we have a direct and constant communication with God. If we need to know something we are told it, we do not have leadership that is interpretting what we should do, we do not have leadership that is making educated and well thought out guesses. For a Mormon, our prophet is stating what God has told him. This is one of the few, but main, differences between the LDS Church and all other Churches, and the FLDS Church denied it. Would you call a group that followed someone other than Moses, in opposition to Moses, a memebr of their religion? I doubt they would have been described as the Hebrews, and if they were called Hebrew it would have only been due to their genetics. It is much more complex than simply plural marriage, as you suppose, and too complex for me to go into greater detail.

When you post, you do not convey a knowledge of the differences between the groups you are terming Mormons, you refer to them all the same. Between the LDS Church and the splinters are gaps that are extremely large. Mainstream Christianity refuses to acknowledge Mormons as Christian due to the concept of consubtantiation. This concept does not impact our practice in any manner, it is merely a philosophical difference, yet to mainstream Christianity it is enough that we are not Christian to them. Between the LDS Church and the Fundamentalist groups there is a severe difference in practice. They are not the same group as the LDS Church, which is termed the Mormon Church by most not of our faith. I would appreciate it if you use the differentiation when discussing their, and the LDS Church's, doctrines with me, mainly so I know to what you are refering.
Tangerine Sheri
I am a keep it simple kind of gal, so simply put there is a huge differnce between LDS and FLDS... It stands out loud and clear for me ....



I made a point to differentiate between the 2.... NO, the Lafferty brothers, came up with their own ideas based on their interpretation based on the polygamy revelation by JS..(you took it further that works for me....)


Was this what Joesph smith had in mind, I can't say......the MMmassacre was after his death.....





i take you back to other the sects at this time, In my understanding the was no other sects.... there was no split other than from hardship and death of those that didn't survive the conditions.....Those that did felt indebted to BY..You can add to this for clarity....

bias is the crux of religion...the idea is to embrace the beleif to live the beleif....to be loyal to the beleif above all else..... i understand that ....


I am aware of my biases, in this case I have nothing to gain or lose...

truthfully I am willing to consider mindsets, the implementation of revenge as a way to solve issues... BY was very upset that noone was prosecuted for JS's murder.... BY's behavior was not unlike that of a vigilante (if he was involved) the .ideas, the time the mindset of those days was very eye for an eye.......


Many insights have come out of this for me, which have little to do with the mormon religion .....other than this is an e'tude in revenge IMO and how in unforgiveness we can do things we wouldn't normally do and perhaps as a culture it may benefit us to cultivate compassion, find alternatives to revenge......I keep this in my awareness , I try and understand how these things happen, perhaps to be a difference....

I appreciate all your effort and explainations, this has been a very fair thread on both sides IMO and enough data is here and resources for anyone to decide what this means to them, if anything ....I thankyou you yet again for your help.... you would be someone I would call friend in life if our paths crossed.....all the best Bee and again thanks....
MissMelsWell
well Bee_Eff, my church considers LDS Christian, so you have one that doesn't see the LDS as anything more or less than it is. However, that's not saying much since a lot of Christians say the Friends aren't Christian. Personally, at this point, sad as it may sound, the term "christian" is something so ambiguous, that it's almost a worthless term in my opinion.

Frankly, I've enjoyed reading your posts. It's YOUR church history, you should know it better than anyone and that's worth more than any one elses sad opinion. I think you've addressed the history fairly. Period the end. original.gif
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM) *
i take you back to other the sects at this time, In my understanding the was no other sects.... there was no split other than from hardship and death of those that didn't survive the conditions.....Those that did felt indebted to BY..You can add to this for clarity....
There were no groups that split during Brigham Young's time aside from the RLDS and the Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite). No religious groups that splintered off due to hardship ever.

There are the following sects in addition to the FLDS that splintered off the Church between it's inception with Joseph Smith Jr. til present day:

Prior to Joseph Smith's death:
  • Pure Church of Christ
  • Independent Church
  • Church of Christ (Ezra Booth)
  • Church of Christ (Parrish**e)
  • Alston Church (Against immigrating west)
  • Church of Christ (William Chubby)
  • Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb's Wife
  • Church of Christ (Hyram Page)
  • True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Opposed Polygamy)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion
Following Joseph Smith's death (Some of which are recent splinters off the RLDS Church, some are other polygamist groups, some are simply other splinter groups; nearly all are considered fundamentalist groups.):
  • The Community of Christ (previously the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, RLDS) - Split mainly due to Emma Smith's belief that her son should follow Joseph Smith as Prophet. It's first true act was a denial that Joseph Smith Jr. condoned polygamy.
  • The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite) - Split because Sidney Rigdon thought the Counselors in the First Presidency of the Church were above the apostles.
  • Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
  • Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
  • Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion (Baneemyites, Conjespresites)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
  • Church of the Potter Christ
  • Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickites)
  • Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
  • Primitive Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
  • Church of the Christian Brotherhood
  • Church of Christ with the Elijah Message
  • Zion's Order of the Sons of Levi
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite)
  • Restored Church of Jesus Christ
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
  • Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
  • Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
  • Lion of God Ministry
  • Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
  • Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
  • Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
  • The Church of Zion (Godbeites)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
  • Mormon fundamentalist movement (not to be confused with eth FLDS)
  • Latter Day Church of Christ
  • Aaronic Order or House of Aaron
  • United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ
  • Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
  • Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times
  • Church of the Lamb of God
  • Church of the New Covenant in Christ
  • Confederate Nations of Israel
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
  • Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
  • True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
  • Church of the Messiah
  • Latter Day Church of Christ the Lamb
  • Holy Church of Jesus Christ
  • Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
  • Latter Day Church of Jesus Christ
  • Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS)
  • Short Creek Community
  • Latter Day Church of Christ (The Kingston clan)
  • Apostolic United Brethren
  • United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ
  • Centennial Park ("Second Ward")
The fact that you know nothing about any of these is truly telling as to your knowledge of, and research into, the LDS Church's history.

Edit: The Associated Press Stylebook and Briefing on Media Law states that the term "Mormon" is not properly applied to other Latter-Day Saint groups, that the term is a reference to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM) *
bias is the crux of religion...the idea is to embrace the beleif to live the beleif....to be loyal to the beleif above all else..... i understand that ....

I am aware of my biases, in this case I have nothing to gain or lose...
You have your position to lose. You have not accepted anything I have presented on the subject, you continually reference only the opposing view, this is bias.
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM) *
truthfully I am willing to consider mindsets, the implementation of revenge as a way to solve issues... BY was very upset that noone was prosecuted for JS's murder.... BY's behavior was not unlike that of a vigilante (if he was involved) the .ideas, the time the mindset of those days was very eye for an eye.......

Many insights have come out of this for me, which have little to do with the mormon religion .....other than this is an e'tude in revenge IMO and how in unforgiveness we can do things we wouldn't normally do and perhaps as a culture it may benefit us to cultivate compassion, find alternatives to revenge......I keep this in my awareness , I try and understand how these things happen, perhaps to be a difference....
You keep saying revenge. Please provide some evidence that such was the case. Revenge would have been easier before we left Illinois, or any of our other homes. The only time in our history we acted out of revenge was when we marched following Haun's Mill, and we didn't even act, before we attacked, Joseph was told to turn back. Revenge is not a part of our history at any point. Your position on this is only bias and has no support other than your fictions that you feel are factual.
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM) *
I appreciate all your effort and explainations, this has been a very fair thread on both sides IMO and enough data is here and resources for anyone to decide what this means to them, if anything ....I thankyou you yet again for your help.... you would be someone I would call friend in life if our paths crossed.....all the best Bee and again thanks....
ROFL, I would not consider your side fair, you conceded nothing with regards to the topic and have continually ignored my statements.


QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Feb 5 2008, 05:04 PM) *
well Bee_Eff, my church considers LDS Christian, so you have one that doesn't see the LDS as anything more or less than it is. However, that's not saying much since a lot of Christians say the Friends aren't Christian. Personally, at this point, sad as it may sound, the term "christian" is something so ambiguous, that it's almost a worthless term in my opinion.

Frankly, I've enjoyed reading your posts. It's YOUR church history, you should know it better than anyone and that's worth more than any one elses sad opinion. I think you've addressed the history fairly. Period the end. original.gif
Thank you original.gif
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Feb 5 2008, 05:34 PM) *
There were no groups that split during Brigham Young's time aside from the RLDS and the Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite). No religious groups that splintered off due to hardship.

There are the following sects in addition to the FLDS that splintered off the Church between it's inception with Joseph Smith Jr. til present day:

Prior to Joseph Smith's death:
  • Pure Church of Christ
  • Independent Church
  • Church of Christ (Ezra Booth)
  • Church of Christ (Parrish**e)
  • Alston Church (Against immigrating west)
  • Church of Christ (William Chubby)
  • Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lamb's Wife
  • Church of Christ (Hyram Page)
  • True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Opposed Polygamy)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion
Following Joseph Smith's death (Some of which are recent splinters off the RLDS Church, some are other polygamist groups, some are simply other splinter groups; nearly all are considered fundamentalist groups.):
  • The Community of Christ (previously the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, RLDS) - Split mainly due to Emma Smith's belief that her son should follow Joseph Smith as Prophet. It's first true act was a denial that Joseph Smith Jr. condoned polygamy.
  • The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite) - Split because Sidney Rigdon thought the Counselors in the First Presidency of the Church were above the apostles.
  • Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
  • Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
  • Congregation of Jehovah's Presbytery of Zion (Baneemyites, Conjespresites)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
  • Church of the Potter Christ
  • Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickites)
  • Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
  • Primitive Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
  • Church of the Christian Brotherhood
  • Church of Christ with the Elijah Message
  • Zion's Order of the Sons of Levi
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite)
  • Restored Church of Jesus Christ
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
  • Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
  • Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
  • Lion of God Ministry
  • Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
  • Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
  • Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
  • The Church of Zion (Godbeites)
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
  • Mormon fundamentalist movement (not to be confused with eth FLDS)
  • Latter Day Church of Christ
  • Aaronic Order or House of Aaron
  • United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ
  • Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
  • Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times
  • Church of the Lamb of God
  • Church of the New Covenant in Christ
  • Confederate Nations of Israel
  • Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
  • Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
  • True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
  • Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
  • Church of the Messiah
  • Latter Day Church of Christ the Lamb
  • Holy Church of Jesus Christ
  • Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
  • Latter Day Church of Jesus Christ
  • Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (FLDS)
  • Short Creek Community
  • Latter Day Church of Christ (The Kingston clan)
  • Apostolic United Brethren
  • United Latter-day Church of Jesus Christ
  • Centennial Park ("Second Ward")
The fact that you know nothing about any of these is truly telling as to your knowledge of, and research into, the LDS Church's history.

You have your position to lose. You have not accepted anything I have presented on the subject, you continually reference only the opposing view, this is bias.
You keep saying revenge. Please provide some evidence that such was the case. Revenge would have been easier before we left Illinois, or any of our other homes. The only time in our history we acted out of revenge was when we marched following Haun's Mill, and we didn't even act, before we attacked, Joseph was told to turn back. Revenge is not a part of our history at any point. Your position on this is only bias and has no support other than your fictions that you feel are factual.
ROFL, I would not consider your side fair, you conceded nothing with regards to the topic and have continually ignored my statements.


Thank you original.gif


Bee, I have no position my friend I am not invested in mormonism,you are telling more about your postiion than mine at this point....... ,
i have referenced the documented sources, easily accessible to anyone....easily discerned by anyone.. I make up my mind and I give the same freedom to others...


I am gonna bow out at this point, ..you are very sensitive and it can only lead to issues my freind which I have no desire to create conflict..its just a thread its not personal.... I will have the thread closed.......again thanks so much for your input .....
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Supra Sheri @ Feb 5 2008, 06:50 PM) *
Bee, I have no position my friend I am not invested in mormonism,you are telling more about your postiion than mine at this point....... ,
i have referenced the documented sources, easily accessible to anyone....easily discerned by anyone.. I make up my mind and I give the same freedom to others...

I am gonna bow out at this point, ..you are very sensitive and it can only lead to issues my freind which I have no desire to create conflict..its just a thread its not personal.... I will have the thread closed.......again thanks so much for your input .....

Others have expressed interest, the thread should not be closed, they should have the opportunity to speak if they choose on the subject. You knew it was a sensitive subject before you opened the thread, you pursued it in my thread on the other forum, don't hide behind that as an excuse.
MissMelsWell
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Feb 5 2008, 05:55 PM) *
Others have expressed interest, the thread should not be closed, they should have the opportunity to speak if they choose on the subject. You knew it was a sensitive subject before you opened the thread, you pursued it in my thread on the other forum, don't hide behind that as an excuse.


It should stay open, it wasn't an Ask Sheri thread... I agree.

Out of curiosity, does LDS have a formal statement on violence in general? Being of the Friends persuasion, we typically do, I know the JW's have their statements as well. I was curious if the modern LDS does.
Bee Eff
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Feb 5 2008, 07:07 PM) *
It should stay open, it wasn't an Ask Sheri thread... I agree.

Out of curiosity, does LDS have a formal statement on violence in general? Being of the Friends persuasion, we typically do, I know the JW's have their statements as well. I was curious if the modern LDS does.

I'll respond to this one in the other thread, unless you are interested in debating the question wink2.gif
MissMelsWell
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Feb 5 2008, 07:12 PM) *
I'll respond to this one in the other thread, unless you are interested in debating the question wink2.gif



The other thread is good original.gif I'm not much on debating that topic, I have my beliefs, other people have theirs. It was really just curiousity.
Doug1o29
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Feb 5 2008, 03:40 PM) *
Mormon refers to the LDS Church, using the term to refer to the other groups that splintered off the LDS Church is a misnomer. When people refer to Mormons, they think of the LDS Church. We, Mormons, are not the fundamentalist groups, or any other sect. When you use the term in reference to other groups, you are causing further misconceptions about my beliefs, which there are already a great number. The LDS Church is still too much of a mystery to most people, they cannot distinguish these fundamentalist groups from the LDS Church.

Bee,
I have heard of a group of Mormons called the Temple of Lot. Do you consider them Mormons or a splinter group?
Doug
Bee Eff
QUOTE (Doug1o29 @ Feb 6 2008, 07:03 AM) *
Bee,
I have heard of a group of Mormons called the Temple of Lot. Do you consider them Mormons or a splinter group?
Doug

Temple Lot is the group you are referencing I believe. They are a splinter group. The only group that is referenced properly as Mormon is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

Church of Christ (Temple Lot) or Hedrickites. Split off date is unknown, but their organization occurred around 1860. They are mainly in Missouri. They claim to have been separated from the rest of the Church when the Church went to Nauvoo, and did not receive any of the revelations from Joseph Smith during this time. They claim the Church deviated from what God meant it to be while in Nauvoo, and that they have the true doctrine. Thus, they deny polygamy and baptism for the dead ever having been a part of the Doctrine of the Church and claim that Joseph Smith Jr. fell away from God during this time.
~Onyx~
I'm glad your proud of being a Mormon...I used to be....my family used to be...but then a funny thing happened, the damn people(of my church ward) went and screwed it up, made life hell.....ironic, isn't it?
Bee Eff
QUOTE (~Onyx~ @ May 10 2008, 04:24 PM) *
I'm glad your proud of being a Mormon...I used to be....my family used to be...but then a funny thing happened, the damn people(of my church ward) went and screwed it up, made life hell.....ironic, isn't it?

People have a way of screwing many things up that are pretty good. I often am very proud of being a US citizen, but quite often the people screw that up. I am often proud of being a PSychologist, but then the people in that group at times screw that up. I'm sometimes proud of being human, but then the people screw that up. All sorts of good organizations have imperfect people in them, it's a sad fact.
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