+ PREDICTING FUTURE
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
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humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
Full Version: THE TWO QUESTIONS
QUOTE (adeity @ Jan 27 2008, 02:29 AM) 
+ PREDICTING FUTURE
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
hi adeity..... well, i wish to reply to your second ques: humans are not considered the most superior species. we have made ourself superior or rather "samrter" by inventing and replicating the best techniques in nature. But if we decide to make a breed more adversely weaponed than ourselves, then it is only calling for disaster, I think.
AI IS ABLE TO THINK AND DECIDE...FUNCTIONALITY SAYS IT IS SUPERIOR TO HUMANS. BUT: IT HAS BEEN MADE TO SERVE US, AND NOT THE VICE-VERSA.
AI comes at a later stage, a equal threat are Genetically Modified Organisms (GMO). Like wisdom, nature is the master. And like money, tecnology is a slave better than master. If an AI device or system can decide beyond our control, and if it has the power to perform its decisions as well, then the probably the humans are no longer needed.:: There is a rat race happening everywhere, and the 'fittest survives'. If AI is made a part of the system to which civilians (who have nothing to do with this cutting-edge technological advancements) exist, then the nature shall only select the most powerful ruler: Natural Selection.
This AI can be of help as long as it is being USED for AID. AI must never be able to tell a human how it thinks it is more powerful than its creator...though that is only a fact. Accept it: AI is smart, and AI devices can do our tasks faster than our imagination...better have the worst carnivore as your slave, than to let it loose.
QUOTE (adeity @ Jan 26 2008, 10:59 PM)
+ PREDICTING FUTURE
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
Future? happens all the time, they are called weathermen, stock analysts, future traders.. Problem is they are wrong some times
A.I.
Humans call themselves the (most) superior species... that does not mean that it is so... we know we are the dominant species but that only means we can feed on all other species and can occupy their living space. As to creating something "better" than us, not likely... so far, no matter what humanity has created we have created a strong drawback with it.
Could we create something that could displace us from being the dominant species? Could be, for certainty consult one of those specialized in predicting the future.
QUOTE (adeity @ Jan 27 2008, 04:59 AM)
+ PREDICTING FUTURE
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
+ PREDICTING FUTURE
my answer
IF we could create machines that could cope up with the Chaos Theory.
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my answer
Technology, we keep upgrading technology and at some point it may differ it's point of view against ours.
The future can't be predicted without knowing the present. We can never know the present.
Humans are not truly superior to many animals. Language results in individuals who believe this and it is necessary to the species to behave as though we are superior.
Soon enough there will be computers which think far better than an animal can. It might be wise to individually and collectively have our houses in order before this occurs. Humans can survive it if we don't fight it. We probably will fight it so long as we believe we are superior.
Humans are not truly superior to many animals. Language results in individuals who believe this and it is necessary to the species to behave as though we are superior.
Soon enough there will be computers which think far better than an animal can. It might be wise to individually and collectively have our houses in order before this occurs. Humans can survive it if we don't fight it. We probably will fight it so long as we believe we are superior.
+PF
Actually, if you take a Neuronanotechnoprobe of the entire area can tell you exactly what you are going to do. This Neuronanotechnoprobe is not something that you buy, it is something that you do. Up until this second, you know what you have done, but past this second, you don't.
See, there is a little technology that you have to use in this Neuronanotechnoprobe. It is hidden in everything, everyone does it, and the register of it is done by every ear on this earth. Nobody yet has come out with technology that surpasses the human brain, but the human brain, under the right circumstances can grow and grow . . . but it cannot grow physically beyond the environmental controls, so that leaves the mental! Can you grow mentally beyond the physical? Of course you can.
This Neuronanotehnoprobe is not a device, but much more. It is a learned process. That brings with it a very controlled existence; one that has much knowledge. And you use this knowledge with this Neuronanotechnoprobe!
With this Neuronanotechnoprobe, you get songs and videos and hours of entertainment!
Why, you even get knowledge that you didn't even know and with it you can bedazzle your friends!
Supplies seem to be limited, though.
I would suppose that we are considered the most superior specie because the highest of the lower specie looks like us!
If we can create something that is something beyond us that can manipulate physically and at the same time be detached from the present second resolving issues of the past while proposing future actions that can stay detached from any movement that the proposal may dictate will take some genius to do. But then, I don't think that a genius of a person would like to have any competition, so I would say that might destroy the genius at least. Somebody will probably get jealous of the genius and assassinate him or her.
Actually, if you take a Neuronanotechnoprobe of the entire area can tell you exactly what you are going to do. This Neuronanotechnoprobe is not something that you buy, it is something that you do. Up until this second, you know what you have done, but past this second, you don't.
See, there is a little technology that you have to use in this Neuronanotechnoprobe. It is hidden in everything, everyone does it, and the register of it is done by every ear on this earth. Nobody yet has come out with technology that surpasses the human brain, but the human brain, under the right circumstances can grow and grow . . . but it cannot grow physically beyond the environmental controls, so that leaves the mental! Can you grow mentally beyond the physical? Of course you can.
This Neuronanotehnoprobe is not a device, but much more. It is a learned process. That brings with it a very controlled existence; one that has much knowledge. And you use this knowledge with this Neuronanotechnoprobe!
With this Neuronanotechnoprobe, you get songs and videos and hours of entertainment!
Why, you even get knowledge that you didn't even know and with it you can bedazzle your friends!
Supplies seem to be limited, though.
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humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
I would suppose that we are considered the most superior specie because the highest of the lower specie looks like us!
If we can create something that is something beyond us that can manipulate physically and at the same time be detached from the present second resolving issues of the past while proposing future actions that can stay detached from any movement that the proposal may dictate will take some genius to do. But then, I don't think that a genius of a person would like to have any competition, so I would say that might destroy the genius at least. Somebody will probably get jealous of the genius and assassinate him or her.
Maybe this is what the aliens did to themselves, which explains why they are so smart
QUOTE (adeity @ Jan 27 2008, 04:59 AM)
+ PREDICTING FUTURE
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
If we create something that can think , whether the thing will help us or not would actually depend on how we treat it . The only reason some goverment or scienctists will create that would be to make a super computer , soooo , if it thinks like us , but smarter , it would really depend on its feelings
QUOTE (adeity @ Jan 26 2008, 03:59 PM)
+ PREDICTING FUTURE
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
although future is something no one can predict ,but is there a possibility of it by making use of modern technology, i mean can we device some machine that can predict future based on probability,that is counting all the possibilitie and thus be able to predict the upcoming event.
+A.I
humans are considered to be the most superior specie on earth, but if we creat something better than us something which can think, manipulate take its own decisions and superior to humans, do you think that thing would help mankind or destroy us?
my fov (field of view):
the future is as set as the past - unalterable
one cannot go outside theirselves -
harvesting chaos interminable
QUOTE ((SG)Max @ Feb 3 2008, 07:15 AM)
If we create something that can think , whether the thing will help us or not would actually depend on how we treat it . The only reason some goverment or scienctists will create that would be to make a super computer , soooo , if it thinks like us , but smarter , it would really depend on its feelings
See, scientists can already do that. Of course, there is no Jetson's maid yet. Even simple programmers that know a basic language can do that. The problem comes in with the environment. Whether you treat it well is obviously the smart thing like your own body. That goes with the environment too.
And that is I guess what Legatus is talking about in the Chaos Theory.
Can a computer be random? Of course, by design. But any thing created creates its own opposite. You know, man has been getting smarter and they are inventing things that last 1000s of years, but in the process, the production of these things has produced the opposite. To make things last for longer than they are supposed to, you have to remove the things that do not.
How long do leaves last on a tree? Well, how many leaves do you want to rake next week? Go ahead; in another year or so, you'll do it again.
Apart from the fact that that is how the earth has grown, what would be the result of trees with no leaves?
Finding that out stops the Chaos Theory for trees. Mankind is not controlled by the Chaos Theory. Animals are, though.
People treat certain animals like they have no feelings, they cage them up, grow them just to eat, hunt them down and kill them. Just doing that creates more chaos not because it is not the feelings of the animals, it is less animals to be in the Chaos. Mankind is not in control of the Chaos, they are ouutside of it looking in.
Switch to Holographic Images. Can a Holographic image have life? Yes, but it would be like moonlight. The moon does not control the life we have given it, the sun does. In our imagination, in the rear of our brains, a light comes on at night in the sky that is yellow; not that there is not, but your brain is a processor of information giving you ultraviolet images or whatever spectrum. There is no color in space. Even the little green men aren't really green. Sunshine is not colored and the sun does not cause heat, it is the processor in your brain that relays the information from the registers and the interpretation of the message is 'yellow and hot.' Heat does not burn, it is just the atoms are travelling so fast that any contact with the fast travelling atoms causes the breakdown in the atomic structure. . . Oh, sorry . . . Burns do cause pain, and that you can feel.
What are Holographic Images made of? Well, the same thing that causes your thoughts. The same thing that is causing the objects on the screen you're looking at. They are made of Ionic Material. Did y'all know that the sun is totally ionic? Except for the surface, though. The surface is molten iron and Hydrogen and Helium and a few more elements that are atomic. But the inside of the sun is not even atoms. . . and neither is Holographic Images.
Could that make the Sun and Holographic images related? I think it does make an interesting speculation into the properties of life.
Yes, we can predict the future. If we know the breakdown sequence of the least and the smallest. But creating something that can perform the activites that are normal for the brain to do, we end up removing those activities. Those activities are the landmarks that make brains function.
QUOTE (greggK @ Feb 3 2008, 11:32 PM)
See, scientists can already do that. Of course, there is no Jetson's maid yet. Even simple programmers that know a basic language can do that. The problem comes in with the environment. Whether you treat it well is obviously the smart thing like your own body. That goes with the environment too.
And that is I guess what Legatus is talking about in the Chaos Theory.
Can a computer be random? Of course, by design. But any thing created creates its own opposite. You know, man has been getting smarter and they are inventing things that last 1000s of years, but in the process, the production of these things has produced the opposite. To make things last for longer than they are supposed to, you have to remove the things that do not.
How long do leaves last on a tree? Well, how many leaves do you want to rake next week? Go ahead; in another year or so, you'll do it again.
Apart from the fact that that is how the earth has grown, what would be the result of trees with no leaves?
Finding that out stops the Chaos Theory for trees. Mankind is not controlled by the Chaos Theory. Animals are, though.
People treat certain animals like they have no feelings, they cage them up, grow them just to eat, hunt them down and kill them. Just doing that creates more chaos not because it is not the feelings of the animals, it is less animals to be in the Chaos. Mankind is not in control of the Chaos, they are ouutside of it looking in.
Switch to Holographic Images. Can a Holographic image have life? Yes, but it would be like moonlight. The moon does not control the life we have given it, the sun does. In our imagination, in the rear of our brains, a light comes on at night in the sky that is yellow; not that there is not, but your brain is a processor of information giving you ultraviolet images or whatever spectrum. There is no color in space. Even the little green men aren't really green. Sunshine is not colored and the sun does not cause heat, it is the processor in your brain that relays the information from the registers and the interpretation of the message is 'yellow and hot.' Heat does not burn, it is just the atoms are travelling so fast that any contact with the fast travelling atoms causes the breakdown in the atomic structure. . . Oh, sorry . . . Burns do cause pain, and that you can feel.
What are Holographic Images made of? Well, the same thing that causes your thoughts. The same thing that is causing the objects on the screen you're looking at. They are made of Ionic Material. Did y'all know that the sun is totally ionic? Except for the surface, though. The surface is molten iron and Hydrogen and Helium and a few more elements that are atomic. But the inside of the sun is not even atoms. . . and neither is Holographic Images.
Could that make the Sun and Holographic images related? I think it does make an interesting speculation into the properties of life.
And that is I guess what Legatus is talking about in the Chaos Theory.
Can a computer be random? Of course, by design. But any thing created creates its own opposite. You know, man has been getting smarter and they are inventing things that last 1000s of years, but in the process, the production of these things has produced the opposite. To make things last for longer than they are supposed to, you have to remove the things that do not.
How long do leaves last on a tree? Well, how many leaves do you want to rake next week? Go ahead; in another year or so, you'll do it again.
Apart from the fact that that is how the earth has grown, what would be the result of trees with no leaves?
Finding that out stops the Chaos Theory for trees. Mankind is not controlled by the Chaos Theory. Animals are, though.
People treat certain animals like they have no feelings, they cage them up, grow them just to eat, hunt them down and kill them. Just doing that creates more chaos not because it is not the feelings of the animals, it is less animals to be in the Chaos. Mankind is not in control of the Chaos, they are ouutside of it looking in.
Switch to Holographic Images. Can a Holographic image have life? Yes, but it would be like moonlight. The moon does not control the life we have given it, the sun does. In our imagination, in the rear of our brains, a light comes on at night in the sky that is yellow; not that there is not, but your brain is a processor of information giving you ultraviolet images or whatever spectrum. There is no color in space. Even the little green men aren't really green. Sunshine is not colored and the sun does not cause heat, it is the processor in your brain that relays the information from the registers and the interpretation of the message is 'yellow and hot.' Heat does not burn, it is just the atoms are travelling so fast that any contact with the fast travelling atoms causes the breakdown in the atomic structure. . . Oh, sorry . . . Burns do cause pain, and that you can feel.
What are Holographic Images made of? Well, the same thing that causes your thoughts. The same thing that is causing the objects on the screen you're looking at. They are made of Ionic Material. Did y'all know that the sun is totally ionic? Except for the surface, though. The surface is molten iron and Hydrogen and Helium and a few more elements that are atomic. But the inside of the sun is not even atoms. . . and neither is Holographic Images.
Could that make the Sun and Holographic images related? I think it does make an interesting speculation into the properties of life.
thats the thing i mean humans though have limited power yet they try to go beyond their limits , so if machines which can think like humans even more efficient ,cant they believe that they are gods?
like moon ,though it depends upon sun for light but yet it creates HIGH TIDES
QUOTE (adeity @ Feb 3 2008, 12:15 PM)
thats the thing i mean humans though have limited power yet they try to go beyond their limits , so if machines which can think like humans even more efficient ,cant they believe that they are gods?
like moon ,though it depends upon sun for light but yet it creates HIGH TIDES
like moon ,though it depends upon sun for light but yet it creates HIGH TIDES
Yeah, that's where the bully comes from, when people get the eidea that they can do more than they can or they create help that takes them further than they can go and the only way back is to go through the process they have created.
On High Tides. I think if you change the vibration of anything, you change the effect it has on the surrounding atmosphere. Is there a higher tide when the moon is full opposed to when it is quarter? The moon always has the sun shining on it, it is the view 'we' have of it. The thing with the moon is, a day with the moon is 24 hours long. It is a belief that the moon was once part of this earth and it has no core. But, the soil, when the atomic actions of the soil are sped up to match the output of ionic material from the sun, maybe a little reaction takes place with the magnetic field that surrounds the earth protecting it from the outbursts of the sun. Haven't you noticed lately that the moon is more visible during the day. My God, that's wonderful to see!
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Due to a myriad of meteorite impacts (with velocities greater than 100,000 mph), the lunar surface is covered with a thin layer of 'lunar dust', commonly referred to as lunar regolith. The dust is electrically charged and 'sticks' to any surface it comes in contact with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_soil
The moon has no magnetic properties underneath the soil besides the contents of the soil. The Earth, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune have a generating mechanism caused by the inside rotation of the inner liquid mantle around the core.
There is really no stopping man from inventing something that could out-think him, but I don't know how far they could go with making it think outside of the parameters it uses to think. To do that would require every part of the thing to be self-sufficient.
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