would it honestly bother you if you come to find that after you die you find God allows all to heaven ? no one exclude no matter what they did or believed. ? yes or no .

and if it does why ? would you feel somehow cheated believing fervently in a certain faith only to find God didn't discriminate nor have any rules ?

No it wouldn't bother me, because in my belief system everyone get another chance until they get it right.

Ha, wouldn't bug me. As an atheist I've lived my life... erm, shall we say, without fear of divine retribution. Sweet deal if I can do whatever I want and still live in the cushy place after I die.

It wouldn't bother me at all.

I think if heaven is what I perceive it would be, then I think heaven would transform you/me/us.

You would loose all fear & insecurities and be at peace> in a total sense spiritually.

I feel fear, insanity,ignorance & insecurity are the root of all "evils" (don't care for that word) and we all have a little of these negative traits. We would shed them.

I think everyone has the potential to be loving,kind,wise & good but it starts with FULL LIFE experience which leads to
wisdom,insight & empathy & feeling truly & deeply loved by others which leads to returning the same to others

I would've shout "Dang! I knew it!". It wouldn't bother me though. I probably would go back to earth and tell everybody about it...

It wouldn't bother me, I'd be happy to see that no one will have to live through the misery that living on earth can cause. but inside i would feel proud that i chose to believe even if he let all into heaven.

I'm not a believer in God, not in any way i've heard man describe God anyway, if i found myself at the pearly gates and found everyone was being let in it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. I might pull him to one side though and suggest he go and have a quiet word with those who claim to be speaking for him.

I might be a little disappointed to see fundamentalist in heaven, but I guess if they let me in they would have to let everyone in. Hopefully god would not allow preaching or religion in heaven otherwise it wouldn’t be so heavenly.

Wouldn't bother me to find that out, as I am not so fervent in the belief or lack of belief in a god. I would be rather pleased actually, that everyone gets in. I leave that possibility open, because no one will know what's going to happen until they get there, but can't pass on the message to any of us still alive.

I'd like to say I was struck by the absence of reply by those rigorous in their rules and definition of God but I'm not. a bit sad really. I think of race horses and blinders . unable to see the big picture because of written opinion and tradition. listening to 2000 + year old opinions when God is now and unrestrained by those opinions.

sad that religious sides are so blind to the coin they were minted from.

Is it so hard to see bin laden and and say St. Francis having tea in heaven ?

Hitler and Moses yapping over coffee ?

Jesus and Mohammed having a laugh ?


just for example.


or isn't God big and perfect enough ?

reminds me of the old saying ' do you want to be 'right' ? or do you want to be happy?' Man wrote all those rules of opinion that some think are 'inspired'.

what if the inspiration has changed from God ? How would you know ? Something truely inspired from God wouldn't be as screwed up as our current religions are.

I think that heaven is probably willing to have most people, and to give us what we ask for. This is not disappointing to me, I would be more disappointed if people were being selectively admitted based on religous beliefs.

But as a consequence of giving us what we ask for, perhaps heaven would have loose gatherings of souls who desire similar things?



I think in heaven souls would still have the right to not associate with those who are horrifying to them. And though dying, or even almost dying, can be a mellowing experience as our chemically-based emotions fade away, I wonder how long old loyalties and attachments would last?

I don't believe this is a yea or nay question... ; ) If, as a believer, I saw pedophiles roaming heaven I'd be a bit more than choked. Rape a child and be rewarded? Not in my universe. Bottom line is, yes, I guess it would bother me. Good thing I don't believe...



I'd be grateful I wasn't a believer - made to jump through holy hoops to garner favor with something that wanted favor and praise but, in the long run, it didn't matter if it got it or not. However, I'd be ticked if I was a believer. : )

Ditto.

I don't believe in heaven as a place of eternal reward or anything like that. The realm of physical death, the other side, the great beyond, the spiritual world... whatever you want to call it... is the home for everyone regardless of belief system or actions.

Not at all! It was a free gift in the first place.

i dont think its a matter of we deserve to go to heaven because of the things we did or withheld from doing. its more the level of spiritual enlightnment we are at when we die. its if we learnt from our experience. if we achieved what we came here to achieve. its not if we deserve from our achievements its if we gained knowledge from them and learnt through the experience. i dont see god as a judge. there is infinate paths to god, being part of an organised belif system isnt the only way home.

I certainly wouldn't feel cheated. But in some ways there would be some things I was a little confused over. Primarily, the reason for this physical existence would totally elude me. But even more than that, the argument that people use against Chrisitanity sometimes in saying that a person can be the worst person in the world (kill, rape, steal, hurt children and small puppies) and as long as they say sorry at the end they'll be in heaven, to this I would think that the only think worse than a killer/rapist/thief who has said sorry is a killer/rapist/thief who believes that what he did was right and proper.

But cheated? Not exactly. If everyone were in heaven, regardless of what they had done, then I would surmise that the rules of existence have also changed.

Just a few thoughts....

~ Regards, PA

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't believe people are born with hate in their heart.

Environment and biology play a huge part in human behavior.

I've no doubt that if there is a God and a heaven, he'd be merciful with everyone.

See, this is the problem I have with the concept of a god with a big "g". To humans, you are right - someone who does terrible things knowingly is a bad person, but someone who does them and doesn't think there's anything wrong with them is an absolute monster.

From a big "g" perspective, I would think it's the opposite. I know all religions with a big "g" have specific rules to be followed, but my (possibly flawed) logic says a creature who is passing judgement on that person and could read his or her mind would realize no harm was intended. No harm, no foul; no foul, no sin; no sin, no punishment. Again, I know that goes against those specific rules of religions, but consider the (very) hypothetical concept of someone who grows up in Socrates's cave and never learns the rules. A big "g" god wouldn't hold against someone the fact that they never had the opportunity to be taught the truth.

This could result in people running around heaven who stole someone's lunch money, then raped and killed them - instead of just people there to pray and exalt.

Yes it would bother me, and very much so. There are evil people in this world, and if everyone is rewarded, there is no justice for all the pain and suffering they caused.

I see it as if there is no heaven but that all people wait in their graves until humanity reaches a point where it's ready for eternity (or when the Messiah comes) and death is no more. I think that after that point man will live here on Earth with God for all eternity getting better, exploring the universe, things like that. I don't believe in Eternal Punishment.


Not at all. One would only feel cheated as you described if one were to believe their faith for the sake of escaping eternal punishment. I follow my particular faith because I think it is the best and most beautiful way for ME to serve God out of love.





I wouldn't say that, because to say that God "isn't big" or is "imperfect" because he does not do those things is an insult to those who believe God doesn't do those things. I think it'd be more accurate to ask if God is so far greater than humans to allow Hitler (who killed millions) into heaven. The more human-like a religion's god is, the more it seems that that religion's god metes out punishment.


Unless of course it is God's desire that we screw things up.


If that is the case, then why should you be allowed in? Who would determine who is allowed in and who isn't? And if it was God who decided, on what basis could he judge someone "evil" for what it probably their natural inclination or something that was not their own fault? Wouldn't such a cruel and un-forgiving God be human-like and petty? Justice is given in this world (I believe) and if no justice is given in this world than it is in the next world ("afterlife") that justice is given, but not for eternity...

If there is a god, who is good, then I will not go to hell. I spend my time helping, caring for, and loving people. I have never broken the law and have never harmed anyone. All I do is to promote freedom and justice throughout the world in any way I can. If I'm going to hell for this, then god is not good.

nothing like the humbleness and humility of tooting ones own horn.

I'm Wicca and believe there is no Heaven or Hell. I believe in Summerland where everyone goes after they die to wait for reincarnation. so i guess your question doesn't really apply to me.

now why do we have to come back ? especailly here ? like this is the epitomey of the universe or something.

why reincarnation at all ?

I think that the afterlife will be one place, I don't believe it would be separated into a good place and bad place, but I do think that you would have to have a certain moral standard to get in, or else either reincarnation or a "second death"

i would guess to give us something to do.

I was asked why I would go to heaven, I answered. Is that a problem? Is my self confidence offensive?

To be honest, it's the only situation in which I think I could be comfortable in some hypothetical heaven. If I got in by fluke I'd hightail it out of there... the biblical version of heaven, with all due respect, doesn't sound like somewhere I'd personally like to spend eternity.

I agree that it would be boring, but it beats the alternative.

No it wouldn't bother me perse but it is something I would ask about.

If there is a God who has created existence he ain't the old fool of the Bible.

I prefer confidence in ones own moral existence. Better than all that 'we are not worthy' medieval peasantry bullcrap. *toot toot* I will be in heaven also LOL.

Well, give confidence where confidence is do. Plenty of evil men such as Hitler had confidence in their own morality. In our case confidence is clearly due.

it reminds me of a line in some movie ( can't remember whom or which ) everyone believes their a good person.

The conception of the self as a moral agent, capable of influencing and being influenced rather than intrinsically sinful from birth leads to more inquiry into practical ‘how are we to live’ morality. And hence a better outcome for society in my opinion.

The 'am I good am I bad am I going to heaven' self-indulgence of many religions irks me. If you don't think you are a good person - change your MO!

Point taken on Hitler - his moral relativism sucked

Edited to add: my standards on who constitutes a 'good person' are pretty lax compared to some religious doctrines however LOL (this comment is not in reference to Hiltler and co LOL)

If everything you've said here is true than you will be in eternity. It is my belief that despite a person's religion or life-mistakes we will all be with God in a blissful eternity.

Absolutly not. You believe your a good person and your the only one that would truly know that besides God of course. Your not being offensive to have the courage of your convictions and stand up for what you believe in! Self confidence is a great thing some lack this and it shows in them and their work and everything they do. So I think your self confidence is a great attribute.


I don't think everyone thinks they are good people, Some know they are not and strive everyday to become better, to say everyone thinks they are good people seriously discounts those who work so very hard to be better people .Always a pleasure

I know this is a what if but I don't believe for one second that hitler or child molesters that died without God will be in heaven. The same question could be asked of a priest who turns his whole life over to God and does nothing but live for God , Does he have to share heaven with the sinners who decided at death to accept God ? I think it is God's paradise therefore its God's rules. Hasn't your parents ever told you " long as you live under my roof its my rules"? Same applies to God his creation his rules , Like it or not. Always a pleasure

But no one really knows Gods rules. only mans opinion of what those rules should be .

and if everything happens for a reason that means everything. you can't suddenly decide what God ment for something if it's Gods reason and not yours.