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promKing
Some time ago Jim Marrs was making a documentary on JFK in Roswell when he stumbled on the story from several employees of the New Mexico Rehabilitation Center (NMRC) who told him that there's an alien ghost on the second floor.
In 1967, Walker AFB (where alien autopsies in 1947. from Roswell crash were made) was closed and the base hospital sat empty until it was utilized by the state as the New Mexico Rehabilitation Center. Since then many employees and patients have been frightened of what they believe is ghost from one of the dead aliens.
For example here are some testimonies:
“I used to work the 3 p.m. to 11 p.m. shift,” she said. “We would hear footsteps up there. But when we called maintenance, they couldn’t find anyone. The elevators would open and close but nobody would be there.

“Several times the lights were on and the maintenance men went up there and turned them off. But by the time they got back down the hallway to the elevators, the lights would be back on again.”

She said that several patients in the past reported seeing a strange figure in the upstairs hallway. “They would describe someone who looked like a pilot, you know, like wearing a World War II leather flying helmet. They would see his sort of wave or give a little salute and then disappear. They named him ‘Mr. Scratch’.”


After that Jim Marrs pick a crew of psychic researchers, shamans etc. to make a documentary for some TV station like NBC. They taped a lot of amazing stuff like glowing orbs, strange noise, testimonies, etc. But when they made a documentary trough the post-production producer was fired and missing and the big bosses said it will never go on the air.

More on: http://www.jimmarrs.com/news/012204.html
Undeadskeptic
To believe in Aliens crash landing on Earth is irrational. To believe in Ghosts is irrational. To believe in an Alien Ghost therefore is moronic.
Papaver
What he said...
Lux Felix
Why Alien ghost? to me it sound just like a common spirit.

i dont think there is nothing alien in this ghost.
Alienated Being
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jan 28 2008, 06:40 AM) *
To believe in Aliens crash landing on Earth is irrational. To believe in Ghosts is irrational. To believe in an Alien Ghost therefore is moronic.

Really? How is it irrational? That's just it, it is NOT irrational, especially since many people involved with the Roswell incident (with nothing to gain) have come forward with testimony. Not to mention that the USAF declared that a flying saucer had been recovered.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jan 28 2008, 10:40 AM) *
To believe in Aliens crash landing on Earth is irrational. To believe in Ghosts is irrational. To believe in an Alien Ghost therefore is moronic.


youre Irrational to think its not even possible something 'extra terrestrial' couldnt have crashed.
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 28 2008, 11:06 AM) *
youre Irrational to think its not even possible something 'extra terrestrial' couldnt have crashed.


Evidence, Mulder...evidence...

As in there is no evidence that anything crashed at roswell.

Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Jan 28 2008, 07:19 PM) *
Evidence, Mulder...evidence...

As in there is no evidence that anything crashed at roswell.


you mean, other than "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer On Ranch In Roswel Region"?
Something, had crashed.
are you mental? honestly?
morrison1976
QUOTE
As in there is no evidence that anything crashed at roswell.


Something did crash at roswell, that much we do know, and cant dispute.
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 28 2008, 11:28 AM) *
Something, had crashed.


Thought I had put "extraterrestrail" in there somewhere. original.gif Oops...
skyeagle409
QUOTE (the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Jan 28 2008, 07:19 PM) *
there is no evidence that anything crashed at roswell.


Other skeptics and skeptical websites agree that something crashed at Roswell.
The___Piper
Honestly, the thought of an alien ghost made me laugh.
Evangium
Shocking evidence that the USAF doesn't cover up everything paranormal. wink2.gif
Link

Link to the latest in a long line of threads for arguing about what did/did not crash at Roswell Link

Try not to hijack this thread hmm.gif
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Jan 29 2008, 08:06 AM) *
youre Irrational to think its not even possible something 'extra terrestrial' couldnt have crashed.


Wait Im sorry, did I say I think it its not even possible? No, I said it was irrational. Did I ever say anything along the lines of what you claim I said? Barely.

Give me real evidence that there was a flying saucer crash at Roswell and maybe I'll realise that the truth is out there, but for now I'll just smoke a few ciggaretes and trust no one.
Evangium
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 05:09 PM) *
Link to the latest in a long line of threads for arguing about what did/did not crash at Roswell Link

Try not to hijack this thread hmm.gif


Seriously original.gif This is where the UFO/Roswell debate's at Link.
Do we really need another 13 pages of the same here? wink2.gif
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 07:09 AM) *
Shocking evidence that the USAF doesn't cover up everything paranormal. wink2.gif
Link


Actually, it does. Ask the U. S. Air Force about the series of events concerning a C-141 Starlifter, #0251.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jan 29 2008, 10:04 AM) *
Wait Im sorry, did I say I think it its not even possible? No, I said it was irrational. Did I ever say anything along the lines of what you claim I said? Barely.

Give me real evidence that there was a flying saucer crash at Roswell and maybe I'll realise that the truth is out there, but for now I'll just smoke a few ciggaretes and trust no one.


wow, you might be legally r******ed boy. check out the other posts "Something, had Crashed". you cant deny that. thats was the Real point i was making.
before that, i was just saying, why do they think its Not possible, that something ET had crashed? you know, with the whole "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer". but i never said it did.
by the way, smokings bad for you wink2.gif
Evangium
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 04:32 AM) *
QUOTE
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 07:09 AM)
Shocking evidence that the USAF doesn't cover up everything paranormal.
Link

Actually, it does. Ask the U. S. Air Force about the series of events concerning a C-141 Starlifter, #0251.

Hmm. Alien ghost. On a forum where people discuss the paranormal. You don't think some people here watch TAPS? You don't think some of them, who live close enough to the base, might like to meet the cast?
Now has your C-141 got anything to do with hauntings at WPFAB?

(why didn't the OP start this in ghosts and hauntings?)
Lux Felix
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 09:50 PM) *
(why didn't the OP start this in ghosts and hauntings?)


and not only, I still fail to see were the so called "alien" ghost are. IF there are a ghost, to me it seems just a "normal" spirit. Prolly a dead pilot who
haunt the hospital. Where is the alien?
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 08:50 PM) *
Hmm. Alien ghost. On a forum where people discuss the paranormal.


You posted a link in regards to the paranormal on the website of the Air Force, so I responded to your post in kind, after all, you did post the following.


QUOTE
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 07:09 AM)
Shocking evidence that the USAF doesn't cover up everything paranormal.
Link


spookyfox
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jan 29 2008, 05:04 AM) *
Wait Im sorry, did I say I think it its not even possible? No, I said it was irrational. Did I ever say anything along the lines of what you claim I said? Barely.

Give me real evidence that there was a flying saucer crash at Roswell and maybe I'll realise that the truth is out there, but for now I'll just smoke a few ciggaretes and trust no one.



People used to think it was irrational for the earth to travel around the sun and for the world to be spherical. People are far less knowledgeable than we think we are.
Evangium
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:31 AM) *
You posted a link in regards to the paranormal on the website of the Air Force, so I responded to your post in kind, after all, you did post the following.

Actually I posted

Shocking evidence that the USAF doesn't cover up everything paranormal Link wink2.gif

Leaving out that little emoticon changes the context of my post from humorous to serious.
Yes it is a USAF website, but since the OP was posting about ghosts and hauntings, I figured this might be of interest to those who are interested in that type of paranormal experiance. I might be a skeptic, but that doen't mean I won't share information that might be contrary to my own beliefs original.gif
Next time, I'll be sure to link it from Rense or UFOlogie and assume that everyone on the board shares the same interest in Roswell CT.
And your post really doesn't really say much other than a C-141, coming from you it's logical to think it's about a UFO and nothing to do with ghosts and hauntings.



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realmysteries
There are alot of things one would need to ignore if one was to say there are no such things as ghosts.For instance,I present one simple example. evp's..How do you ignore someone who goes to a purportedly haunted site asking questions into a tape recorder and has that device record information about a site that was previously unknown to anyone. Upon this information being confirmed later as being accurate to me really is something that can't be ignored. Moreover what if the voice recorded comes from someone who died at the site and the voice even sounds like the person who died at the sight or perhaps the voice recorded is found to be speaking in the same manner as the person who died there or has been said to be haunting the location being investigated.Something also later confirmed but at the time of the session was not something that was known or recognized untill say a curator of the location goes "hey ya that sounds like that person or thats a phrase that was used by them when they were alive"!

How can someone possibly deny this. I've heard the rebut that its energy just trapped in a given site but that argument dosent hold any weight when you take into fact that recorded energy does not interact to an outside source.I ask anyone arguing this point this simply question:

Can your dvd or cd interact you with you? Obviously the answer is no, but it is recorded or trapped energy yes? ...So if you speak to something and it answers your question does it not display a certain degree of intelligence?
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 30 2008, 02:09 AM) *
And your post really doesn't really say much other than a C-141, coming from you it's logical to think it's about a UFO and nothing to do with ghosts and hauntings.


It didn't have anything to do with UFOs, but of paranormal events regarding that aircraft.

The incident was first brought to my attention by a lieutenant after he read a strange write-up in the aircraft forms and the radio shop signed it off as; "cannot duplicate." I later found that an aircrew was so badly shakened from events during an overseas flight that they refused to fly the plane back to its base, and things became difficult for ground crews as well.

Eventually, things got back to normal, but no one could ever explain the strange noise of numerous footsteps and voices from inside the aircraft nor why its systems were coming on for no reason when no one was aboard, which included the APU.

That aircraft was one of those involved in the evacuation of the Jonestown folks who commited mass suicide, and I remember seeing the plane it sitting on the flightline with some of its windows and all of its doors opened in order to air-out the stench.

I wasn't aware of the so-called "alien ghost" at Roswell, but I have been long aware of paranormal events involving military and commercial aircraft, and FAA directives involving paranormal events surrounding both Eastern Airlines flight 401 and American Airlines Flight 191, and the FAA's action directives response to both aircraft seemed straight out of "X-Files."

A senior FAA official from Cincinati was interviewed on TV about American Airlines Flight 191 and of the events in the days leading up to the day of the crash, and the FAA action directives beforehand.

I have often said that we have a lot to learn about the nature of the universe.
Evangium
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 04:07 PM) *
It didn't have anything to do with UFOs, but of paranormal events regarding that aircraft.

The incident was first brought to my attention by a lieutenant after he read a strange write-up in the aircraft forms and the radio shop signed it off as; "cannot duplicate." I later found that an aircrew was so badly shakened from events during an overseas flight that they refused to fly the plane back to its base, and things became difficult for ground crews as well.

Eventually, things got back to normal, but no one could ever explain the strange noise of numerous footsteps and voices from inside the aircraft nor why its systems were coming on for no reason when no one was aboard, which included the APU.

That aircraft was one of those involved in the evacuation of the Jonestown folks who commited mass suicide, and I remember seeing the plane it sitting on the flightline with some of its windows and all of its doors opened in order to air-out the stench.

I wasn't aware of the so-called "alien ghost" at Roswell, but I have been long aware of paranormal events involving military and commercial aircraft, and FAA directives involving paranormal events surrounding both Eastern Airlines flight 401 and American Airlines Flight 191, and the FAA's action directives response to both aircraft seemed straight out of "X-Files."

A senior FAA official from Cincinati was interviewed on TV about American Airlines Flight 191 and of the events in the days leading up to the day of the crash, and the FAA action directives beforehand.

I have often said that we have a lot to learn about the nature of the universe.

As I said elsewhere "That wasn't so hard, was it?".
All you had to do was state that in your first post and we could've avoided several uneccessary posts.
When you go pulling stunts like that it sort of leaves one with the impression that you assume all people are a**holes and should be treated as such...
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 30 2008, 06:16 AM) *
As I said elsewhere "That wasn't so hard, was it?".


No, but the amazing thing about it all, Eastern Airlines Flt 401 was made into a movie and its story published in newspapers around the country, including the Vallejo Times Herald, a newspaper in California, which is where I first read about that story.

The Roswell ghost story is new to me and I may follow-up on it.
Lux Felix
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 07:28 AM) *
No, but the amazing thing about it all, Eastern Airlines Flt 401 was made into a movie and its story published in newspapers around the country, including the Vallejo Times Herald, a newspaper in California, which is where I first read about that story.

The Roswell ghost story is new to me and I may follow-up on it.


skyeagle, do you have any links on thise haunted airplanes?
Evangium
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 04:28 PM) *
No, but the amazing thing about it all, Eastern Airlines Flt 401 was made into a movie and its story published in newspapers around the country, including the Vallejo Times Herald, a newspaper in California, which is where I first read about that story.

The Roswell ghost story is new to me and I may follow-up on it.

I'm not in the US, so Flt 401 is new to me. Might be worth watching the TAPS 'Ghost Hunters' show when it comes out, at the very least to compare the haunting locations with what you know about Roswell.

edit: This will probably come back to haunt me, but here's one that's bound to be of interest UFO Hunters

There's a thread in TV shows that was started last month, but in case anyone missed it original.gif
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 30 2008, 06:36 AM) *
I'm not in the US, so Flt 401 is new to me.


Here are some links. Newspapers were also reporting that passengers and crew were reporting ghost and some became hysterical. Eventually, salvage parts from the crashed airliner were removed from other aircraft. Events that took place after the crash were chilling.

QUOTE


The Ghost of Flight 401

The story of the crash and its aftermath was documented in John G. Fuller's book The Ghost of Flight 401 (ISBN 0-425-06234-1).

Over the following months and years, employees of Eastern Air Lines began reporting sightings of the dead crew members on board another L-1011 (N318EA). The story was that parts of Flight 401 were salvaged after the crash investigation and refitted into the other L-1011. "Sightings" of the spirits of Don Repo and Bob Loft spread throughout Eastern Air Lines to the point where Eastern's management warned employees that they could face dismissal if caught spreading ghost stories. Eastern Air Lines CEO Frank Borman called it "all a bunch of crap" and considered suing the producers of the 1978 made-for-TV movie The Ghost of Flight 401 for libel.

The apparitions of the crew members were allegedly sighted inside a Foster Refrigerator infrared oven that had been in the galley of Flight 401, and was later salvaged and put into another L-1011. After the supposed ghostly sightings, the oven was sent back to Foster Refrigerator in Hudson, New York.



http://www.airdisaster.com/special/special-ea401.shtml

http://www.subversiveelement.com/Flight401...rnAirLines.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_Flight_401

http://www.near-death.com/ghosts.html


QUOTE
Might be worth watching the TAPS 'Ghost Hunters' show when it comes out, at the very least to compare the haunting locations with what you know about Roswell.

edit: This will probably come back to haunt me, but here's one that's bound to be of interest UFO Hunters

There's a thread in TV shows that was started last month, but in case anyone missed it original.gif


Thanks!
Evangium
You're welcome Sky.

If anyone wants to follow up Flt 401, it might be worthwile looking into Cathy-Pacific to see if they've reported similar experiances with their L-1011's Link
BlueSans
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I heard Jim Marrs discuss this story on Coast To Coast AM several months ago. As I recall, the story about the ghosts (possibly alien?) seemed to be related to the Roswell incident.
Apparently Discovery Channel or The Learning Channel was producing a new series investigating different paranormal phenomena. Mr. Marrs & several other prominent people in the field of paranormal research were supposed to investigate and try to find evidence to support these stories. According to Marrs they did film some rather convincing evidence in this old hospital. Other investigations were planned looking into different phenomena for additional episodes of the series.
The network pulled the plug before any other episodes were filmed. The investigators couldn't get any explanations from the producers or the network. The filmed episode was never aired.
Since so many of these types of shows are popular now it seems strange that the supposed "evidence" wouldn't be shown and further episodes canceled. Conspiracy to keep us from seeing the proof? Or maybe the show just wasn't that good, who knows. I really would have liked to have seen it and decided for myself though.
Obviously, I'm new to posting and I didn't mean to repeat what promKing posted...just adding what I know about the topic.
Cronus
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jan 28 2008, 05:40 AM) *
To believe in Aliens crash landing on Earth is irrational. To believe in Ghosts is irrational. To believe in an Alien Ghost therefore is moronic.


That's just insulting for those who believe in this theory, just cause we haven't seen something that strange yet doesn't make it moronic.
William B Stoecker
After reading several of Jim Marrs' books and having met and spoken with him several times, I am convinced that he is both rational and honest. I knew about this series of events almost immediately after it happened, since a friend of mine, Ruben Uriarte, accompanied Jim Marrs and appeared in the video, and I know that Ruben Uriarte is completely trustworthy. William B Stoecker
promKing
Ha, ha read this comic original.gif

Bill Clinton and the UFO Crash at Roswell
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