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vindicatedmeh
just wanna know...if Aliens really exist...can somebody explain their origins....who made them...and what about the human creation?
There might be an idea like Aliens creation.....How do they live?by the prescence of air...water....or what? Well, might be silly questions.....but it's a way to learn I think....
Evangium
QUOTE (vindicatedmeh @ Jan 29 2008, 06:50 PM) *
just wanna know...if Aliens really exist...can somebody explain their origins....who made them...and what about the human creation?
There might be an idea like Aliens creation.....How do they live?by the prescence of air...water....or what? Well, might be silly questions.....but it's a way to learn I think....

No such thing as a silly question. I don't know if there's one simple explanation for your question. If you're into science heavy stuff you might want to look into

Exobiology or
Astrobiology

Emerging science that is all about the theoretical evolution of life on other planets. original.gif
Emma_Acid
It is a bit of a silly question as we have no proof that aliens do exist. Obviously, it is highly likely that they do elsewhere in the universe, but this is the problem with a lot of posts in this board - they assume something to be correct before asking more questions, which simply isn't realistic given the complete lack of evidence.

You can't say, "assuming aliens exist, where to they come from?" - its a meaningless question based on meaningless suppositions.

You can speculate as to whether alien life exists and how similar it might be to us, but thats a different matter entirely - the existence itself is also part of the question. Saying "if Aliens really exist...can somebody explain their origins" is meaningless because you can't explain the the origins of something you have zero evidence of.
Evangium
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Jan 29 2008, 08:22 PM) *
...this is the problem with a lot of posts in this board - they assume something to be correct before asking more questions, which simply isn't realistic given the complete lack of evidence.

Assume to be correct and to be here already. With the probing and the mutilating and the "OyahGlavian" grin2.gif

Seriously vindicatedmeh, I have no problems with someone who has an inquiring mind, but it's better to go and learn something from a scientific perspective, rather than by led along by some of the more hardcore believers.
Unless it's belief you want, then all you need to do is start a thread with the 'R' word. You'll draw them like flies...

skyeagle409
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 11:02 AM) *
Seriously vindicatedmeh, I have no problems with someone who has an inquiring mind, but it's better to go and learn something from a scientific perspective, rather than by led along by some of the more hardcore believers.


Speaking of "scientific perspective," please don't refer anyone to the scientific community for answers. Look what happened in regards to the Colorado Study.

QUOTE

Flying Saucer Fiasco
Look Magazine, May, 14, 1968
By John G. Fuller

The extraordinary story of the half-million-dollar "trick" to make Americans believe the Condon committee was conducting an objective investigation


"A STRANGE SERIES of incidents in the University of Colorado Unidentified Flying Objects study has led to a near-mutiny by several of the staff scientists, the dismissal of two Ph.D's on the staff and the resignation of the project's administrative assistant."

"The study, announced as a totally objective scientific investigation of one of the most puzzling phenomena of modern times, has already cost the taxpayer over half a million dollars. The committee is scheduled to release its report by the end of the year."

http://www.project1947.com/shg/articles/fiasco.html

DigitalSentinal
Just picture a civilization that's far more advanced and let your mind run from there. Where you'll end up depends on how much angst and fear resides within you.
vindicatedmeh
QUOTE (Evangium @ Jan 29 2008, 11:02 AM) *
Assume to be correct and to be here already. With the probing and the mutilating and the "OyahGlavian" grin2.gif

Seriously vindicatedmeh, I have no problems with someone who has an inquiring mind, but it's better to go and learn something from a scientific perspective, rather than by led along by some of the more hardcore believers.
Unless it's belief you want, then all you need to do is start a thread with the 'R' word. You'll draw them like flies...

I do agree with you.........That could be a good idea.....and I really did....I spend my life believing what the medias,religion etc. says and there was a time in my life when I search for truth and as I search the truth I began to see lies everywhere......I'm not skeptical at all.......and I'm looking for some people who have the same way of thinking as mine.....
vindicatedmeh
QUOTE (Emma_Acid_88 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:22 AM) *
It is a bit of a silly question as we have no proof that aliens do exist. Obviously, it is highly likely that they do elsewhere in the universe, but this is the problem with a lot of posts in this board - they assume something to be correct before asking more questions, which simply isn't realistic given the complete lack of evidence.

You can't say, "assuming aliens exist, where to they come from?" - its a meaningless question based on meaningless suppositions.

You can speculate as to whether alien life exists and how similar it might be to us, but thats a different matter entirely - the existence itself is also part of the question. Saying "if Aliens really exist...can somebody explain their origins" is meaningless because you can't explain the the origins of something you have zero evidence of.

are you so sure that there are lack of evidence?I don't think so.....
jaylemurph
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 29 2008, 12:09 PM) *
Speaking of "scientific perspective," please don't refer anyone to the scientific community for answers. Look what happened in regards to the Colorado Study.


Ahh yes: the old "Science once didn't say what I like so it must all be wrong" routine.

--Jaylemurph
anarkhy
Im listening to coast to coast now, there is a woman who says earth was created by blonde aliens with blue eyes, and they are coming to save a few people from the end of times... grin2.gif


About life in another planets, i imagine it occurs the same way as the life in earth, the whole darwin thing.






Evangium
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 03:09 AM) *
Speaking of "scientific perspective," please don't refer anyone to the scientific community for answers. Look what happened in regards to the Colorado Study.

You do know what exo and astrobiology are don't you?
Lilly
Well, there's plenty of speculation about ET for sure. But as for facts, there's only one I can think of: We don't really know anything about ET at this point in time.
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE (Lilly @ Jan 30 2008, 01:27 PM) *
Well, there's plenty of speculation about ET for sure. But as for facts, there's only one I can think of: We don't really know anything about ET at this point in time.


And that's it in a nutshell. thumbsup.gif
skyeagle409
QUOTE (vindicatedmeh @ Jan 29 2008, 08:50 AM) *
just wanna know...if Aliens really exist...can somebody explain their origins....who made them...and what about the human creation?
There might be an idea like Aliens creation.....How do they live?by the prescence of air...water....or what? Well, might be silly questions.....but it's a way to learn I think....


Yes, ET reality on earth is a FACT!

NORAD tracks them hundreds of times each year in space alone, and many UFOs are seen raising from beneath the ocean waves. They have been reported for centuries and pilots worldwide, continue to encounter them in the skies and only a very small fraction of those encounters are even reported to the public. In other words, the public has no idea what is going on over their heads.

I had my own experience in 1968.

skyeagle409
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jan 30 2008, 03:23 AM) *
Ahh yes: the old "Science once didn't say what I like so it must all be wrong" routine.
--Jaylemurph


The scientific community has shown itself inept whenever it becomes involved in UFO investigations.

Amazingly though, some reports of flying saucers were made by scientist and engineers themselves during routine tracking of their experimental projects.

Eventually, the scientific community will come around to reality that ET has been here all along.

the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 08:06 AM) *
I had my own experience in 1968.


That's when they were doing the medical experiments on you, right??

What was it?... LSD??
jaylemurph
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 11:12 AM) *
The scientific community has shown itself inept whenever it becomes involved in UFO investigations.

Amazingly though, some reports of flying saucers were made by scientist and engineers themselves during routine tracking of their experimental projects.

Eventually, the scientific community will come around to reality that ET has been here all along.


I can see how if science repeatedly gives answers you don't like or if you're fuzzy on how it works, you might say it's inept. But it still sounds a lot like what I first said -- sour grapes.

--Jaylemurph
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jan 30 2008, 08:40 AM) *
...or if you're fuzzy on how it works...


That's the description that "fits" sky best, particularly when you continuously see him "swallowing" all sorts of irrational garbage, and calling it "evidence".

He simply has no clue as to what a scientific investigation is...
skyeagle409
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Jan 30 2008, 04:40 PM) *
I can see how if science repeatedly gives answers you don't like or if you're fuzzy on how it works, you might say it's inept. But it still sounds a lot like what I first said -- sour grapes.
--Jaylemurph


The scientific community has made itself the laughing stock in the eyes of the international community. You should have seen what the Denver Post and other media had said about the scientific Colorado Study.

A good source of comic relief and why I have said in the past to let the Boy Scouts take over since the scientific community can't do it.

I might also said that the scientific community, in order to conduct their investigations, require the assistance of highly-trained and experienced commercial and military pilots and radar operators and experts, the same folks who have said the UFOs in the incidents they were involved in, were not ours. grin2.gif
skyeagle409
QUOTE (the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Jan 30 2008, 04:46 PM) *
That's the description that "fits" sky best, particularly when you continuously see him "swallowing" all sorts of irrational garbage, and calling it "evidence".


Amusing, since I was the one who trashed the false claims of skeptics in the past with facts. Do you remember Tim Printy and "Access-Denied?"

Need I say more? original.gif
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:20 AM) *
Do you remember Tim Printy...


I remember that by trashing Tim, you think that makes you look like a "big" man...unfortunately, it's just another example of how you don't understand how science works.

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Need I say more?


Like anyone could stop your "blathering". grin2.gif
skyeagle409
QUOTE (the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Jan 30 2008, 05:28 PM) *
I remember that by trashing Tim, you think that makes you look like a "big" man...unfortunately, it's just another example of how you don't understand how science works.


Don't forget the skeptics who dismissed my claim about that weather balloon.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure it all out, just some good old-fashioned common sense!
jaylemurph
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jan 30 2008, 12:33 PM) *
Don't forget the skeptics who dismissed my claim about that weather balloon.

It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure it all out, just some good old-fashioned common sense!


You'll show them! You'll show them /all/!

--Jaylemurph
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Jan 30 2008, 08:26 AM) *
That's when they were doing the medical experiments on you, right??

What was it?... LSD??


Ya know, I was kidding about this, but since there has been no response, I must have been closer to the truth than I knew.

Is that why you are so ANGRY with the goverment, sky, because of medical experiments that were performed on you while you were in the military?? Have there been lasting effects...flashbacks...that sort of thing??

I can understand how that could make you mad... and It certainly would explain a lot about your behavior.




morrison1976
QUOTE
That's when they were doing the medical experiments on you, right??

What was it?... LSD??


You know what unknown dead, you are a troll. Sky answers you without any insult, but you throw insults at him left right and centre. Hopfully the mods will see this, and see that you are trolling and chuck you off this forum! You always moan about being insulted all the time, and you are the one who does most of the insulting when you dont agree with the person or people.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (morrison1976 @ Jan 30 2008, 01:47 PM) *
You know what unknown dead, you are a troll. Sky answers you without any insult, but you throw insults at him left right and centre. Hopfully the mods will see this, and see that you are trolling and chuck you off this forum! You always moan about being insulted all the time, and you are the one who does most of the insulting when you dont agree with the person or people.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets these. Still -- Posts with divergent opinions and that you don't like *aren't* insults.

--Jaylemurph
morrison1976
QUOTE
I'm glad I'm not the only one who gets these. Still -- Posts with divergent opinions and that you don't like *aren't* insults.

--Jaylemurph


You either dont understand what i am saying, or you are just like unknown dead, which one is it?

I dont mind skeptics on this board, in fact, we need them. But what we dont need are people who know nothing about ufo's and the cases, but still come on here and post crap. And yes, he has been insulting sky, look at the posts, and other threads, while sky has just got on with it. Thats what i am saying. If you think unknown dead has done nothing wrong, then thats your opinion, but dont think i said this because i dont agree with his opinion. I just dont like people coming on this board with no knowledge on the subject, you really have to ask yourself why.
mailman08
the only people who know the answers to that are nasa cia and the nsa.
the_UNKNOWN_DEAD
QUOTE (morrison1976 @ Jan 30 2008, 10:47 AM) *
Hopfully the mods will see this, and see that you are trolling and chuck you off this forum!


I'm still waiting for sky to deny that the government conducted drug experiments on him while he was in the military.

Just say it didn't happen sky...the people here will believe you...
skyeagle409
QUOTE (the_UNKNOWN_DEAD @ Jan 30 2008, 07:39 PM) *
I'm still waiting for sky to deny that the government conducted drug experiments on him while he was in the military.

Just say it didn't happen sky...the people here will believe you...


Apparently, they didn't. BTW, that is the name I used on the old CNN board.

Since you have done your homework as to my identity, determine what aviation organization for which I am president.
mailman08
this may sound like im the guy outta the film conspiracy , but aliens blatently exist and the goverment and nasa cia etc know all about them and do deals with them in exchange for maybe abductions or whatever else the aliens are interested in for the aliens technology and knowledge on science and so on. think about it, all these gadgets and aircraft like the stealth bomber and so on and guns that can see through walls. its all down to aliens helping us if we help them etc.
and the goverment doesnt think the general public could handle the truth so they keep it under raps and will forever because the majority of the publice couldnt handle it and there would be mass panic.
morrison1976
QUOTE
I'm still waiting for sky to deny that the government conducted drug experiments on him while he was in the military.

Just say it didn't happen sky...the people here will believe you...


No, your a troll, and no matter what sky says, you will still insult him.
jaylemurph
QUOTE (morrison1976 @ Jan 30 2008, 02:15 PM) *
You either dont understand what i am saying, or you are just like unknown dead, which one is it?

I dont mind skeptics on this board, in fact, we need them. But what we dont need are people who know nothing about ufo's and the cases, but still come on here and post crap. And yes, he has been insulting sky, look at the posts, and other threads, while sky has just got on with it. Thats what i am saying. If you think unknown dead has done nothing wrong, then thats your opinion, but dont think i said this because i dont agree with his opinion. I just dont like people coming on this board with no knowledge on the subject, you really have to ask yourself why.


Does it matter why people come here?

It seems to me like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth... yeah, you do say you don't mind divergent opinions, but if you don't like what they're based on, you've got no problem questioning their presence here. Augustus Caesar said the Senate was in charge of Rome, too. You say "no knowledge on the subject" but I get the feeling you mean something along the lines of "your knowledge of the subject": there is no definitive answer to what UFOs are*, so there aren't concrete standards to measure knowledge of the subject by. And yelling loudest or believing hardest doesn't make it so -- not that you are doing that yelling at all. But it is, unfortunately, the sort of double standard I've come to expect of Believers based on its endless repetition in several different fora here. Is it fair to everyone? Not completely, no, but neither is it completely unjustified. And I'm always ready to give credit when I'm surprised by its lack.

For example, I'm willing to admit that in this thread anyway, sky has been well behaved and unknown could have been more generous in his responses. But in many other threads, sky /has/ been intolerably rude, demeaning and hypocritical, and it's disingenuous to the point of lying to deny it. (I mean, I'm no saint either, but I do clearly mark my opinions as opinions and not facts, and steer clear of cheap ad hominem attacks.) I don't think unknown's responses have been grossly out of line with how sky's history on a larger scale than this thread merits.

QUOTE (mailman08 @ Jan 30 2008, 02:48 PM) *
this may sound like im the guy outta the film conspiracy , but aliens blatently exist and the goverment and nasa cia etc know all about them and do deals with them in exchange for maybe abductions or whatever else the aliens are interested in for the aliens technology and knowledge on science and so on. think about it, all these gadgets and aircraft like the stealth bomber and so on and guns that can see through walls. its all down to aliens helping us if we help them etc.
and the goverment doesnt think the general public could handle the truth so they keep it under raps and will forever because the majority of the publice couldnt handle it and there would be mass panic.


Yeah, you do. I think you've confused what you believe with what's real (or at the very least, what you can prove up).

--Jaylemurph
Sweetpumper
Every f****** thread, guys? Every f****** one?!!!!!! angry.gif
morrison1976
QUOTE
Does it matter why people come here?

It seems to me like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth... yeah, you do say you don't mind divergent opinions, but if you don't like what they're based on, you've got no problem questioning their presence here. Augustus Caesar said the Senate was in charge of Rome, too. You say "no knowledge on the subject" but I get the feeling you mean something along the lines of "your knowledge of the subject": there is no definitive answer to what UFOs are*, so there aren't concrete standards to measure knowledge of the subject by. And yelling loudest or believing hardest doesn't make it so -- not that you are doing that yelling at all. But it is, unfortunately, the sort of double standard I've come to expect of Believers based on its endless repetition in several different fora here. Is it fair to everyone? Not completely, no, but neither is it completely unjustified. And I'm always ready to give credit when I'm surprised by its lack.

For example, I'm willing to admit that in this thread anyway, sky has been well behaved and unknown could have been more generous in his responses. But in many other threads, sky /has/ been intolerably rude, demeaning and hypocritical, and it's disingenuous to the point of lying to deny it. (I mean, I'm no saint either, but I do clearly mark my opinions as opinions and not facts, and steer clear of cheap ad hominem attacks.) I don't think unknown's responses have been grossly out of line with how sky's history on a larger scale than this thread merits.


No, you dont understand what i am saying. Everytime unknown dead get on a thread, he talks rubbish, i tell him to back up what he is saying, he never does. I ask him what he knows about cases, he knows nothing. If you push him hard enough on a case, he will start throwing abuse, even to the point of my dyslexia. Why on earth would someone post on here, when they have no interest on the subject, that is like going onto a trainspoting forum and telling everyone they are nerds, and not backing it up, no if i did do that, then i would be a troll. Its not just me who is getting rather annoyed with him, there are many people on this forum, and yes, it messes up the threads, and people will get chucked off because of it.

jaylemurph
QUOTE (morrison1976 @ Jan 30 2008, 03:43 PM) *
No, you dont understand what i am saying. Everytime unknown dead get on a thread, he talks rubbish, i tell him to back up what he is saying, he never does. I ask him what he knows about cases, he knows nothing. If you push him hard enough on a case, he will start throwing abuse, even to the point of my dyslexia. Why on earth would someone post on here, when they have no interest on the subject, that is like going onto a trainspoting forum and telling everyone they are nerds, and not backing it up, no if i did do that, then i would be a troll. Its not just me who is getting rather annoyed with him, there are many people on this forum, and yes, it messes up the threads, and people will get chucked off because of it.


Well, put in those terms, I can see what you mean (though as usual, I'm not sure those are the only terms it can be put in). Why do it, though --

(Forgive the vanity of quoting myself, but I essentially answered the same question a little while ago on another forum -- for "end of days" read "saucer pplz" and note that bit's not be taken seriously)

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I think it has more to do with psychology than anything else. It comes down to various sets of people saying something like "Oh noes! It's teh ends of days!!!11!!!1" with very little convincing back up for it and then insisting that rather than being their personal take on the future, it's The Truth and undeniably What Will Happen. Other people (myself included) say "Hey, I don't want someone else to rip Reality out from under my feet and replaced with foaming non-sense".

If we all could do something like you say and say "this is what I believe" and "that is what you believe" and we'll just see what comes to pass, there'd be a lot less tension here. It's when people co-opt the nature of reality with their own fantasy that it gets stressful.


--Jaylemurph
angelbby
i think that they really do exist but i dont think that anyone has really ever seen one
vindicatedmeh
QUOTE (angelbby @ Jan 31 2008, 03:18 AM) *
i think that they really do exist but i dont think that anyone has really ever seen one

oh yes definitely....just wondering ...why don't they just show up????????
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