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I wonder if the reason that the sahara is so dry(apart from the obvious) is because former inhabitants cut down or consumed whatever forests there were.
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ Apr 23 2008, 03:00 AM) 
Well, the Greeks are an Indo-European people, and consequently ultimately came from a point North and East of Greece, and so are the people from Turkey, but I've never seen anything that indicates the Greeks (specifically the Mycenae, since the Minoans certainly weren't) were from Turkey. And Homer had no significant role in the linguistic that help determine that.
It sounds like you're confusing what Schliemann did; he used Homer to find the city of /Troy/ mentioned in the Iliad, but there's nothing to suggest the Trojans were Greek (and a great deal that suggests they weren't).
--Jaylemurph
It sounds like you're confusing what Schliemann did; he used Homer to find the city of /Troy/ mentioned in the Iliad, but there's nothing to suggest the Trojans were Greek (and a great deal that suggests they weren't).
--Jaylemurph
I had to drag up this post J because it conflicts with what I have researched. You say the Minoans certainly weren't from Turkey:
Here is a news article:
"Crete's fabled Minoan civilization was built by people from Anatolia, according to a new study by Greek and foreign scientists that disputes an earlier theory that said the Minoans' forefathers had come from Africa. The new study – a collaboration by experts in Greece, the USA, Canada, Russia and Turkey – drew its conclusions from the DNA analysis of 193 men from Crete and another 171 from former neolithic colonies in central and northern Greece. The results show that the country's neolithic population came to Greece by sea from Anatolia – modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria – and not from Africa as maintained by US scholar Martin Bernal.
The DNA analysis indicates that the arrival of neolithic man in Greece from Anatolia coincided with the social and cultural upsurge that led to the birth of the Minoan civilization, Constantinos Triantafyllidis of Thessaloniki’s Aristotle University said. "Until now we only had the archaeological evidence – now we have genetic data too and we can date the DNA," he said."
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/002772.html
That news article confirms Minoans did indeed come from Turkey. See, that little tidbit squashed part of my theory of them coming from Africa.
Secondly you state that Trojans were not Greek:
Wiki - Troy says:
The Trojan royal kinship, in Greek eyes, traced its descent from the Pleiad Electra and Zeus, the parents of Dardanus. According to Greek myths, Dardanus was originally from Arcadia but according to Roman myths, he was originally from Italy, having crossed over to Asia Minor from the island of Samothrace, where he met King Teucer. Teucer was himself also a coloniser from Attica, and treated Dardanus with respect. Eventually Dardanus married Teucer's daughters, and founded Dardania (later ruled by Aeneas). Upon Dardanus' death, the Kingdom was passed to his grandson Tros, who called the people Trojans and the land Troad, after himself. Ilus, son of Tros, founded the city of Ilium (Troy) that he called after himself.
So you can see it was possible for Troy to have been settled by an early Greek Arcadian from the Peloponnese.
I am not trying to 'prove' you wrong or anything, I just found your post interesting because i had only been reseacrhing those same things!
QUOTE (weareallsuckers @ May 30 2008, 08:58 AM)
I had to drag up this post J because it conflicts with what I have researched. You say the Minoans certainly weren't from Turkey:
Here is a news article:
"Crete's fabled Minoan civilization was built by people from Anatolia, according to a new study by Greek and foreign scientists that disputes an earlier theory that said the Minoans' forefathers had come from Africa. The new study – a collaboration by experts in Greece, the USA, Canada, Russia and Turkey – drew its conclusions from the DNA analysis of 193 men from Crete and another 171 from former neolithic colonies in central and northern Greece. The results show that the country's neolithic population came to Greece by sea from Anatolia – modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria – and not from Africa as maintained by US scholar Martin Bernal.
The DNA analysis indicates that the arrival of neolithic man in Greece from Anatolia coincided with the social and cultural upsurge that led to the birth of the Minoan civilization, Constantinos Triantafyllidis of Thessaloniki’s Aristotle University said. "Until now we only had the archaeological evidence – now we have genetic data too and we can date the DNA," he said."
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/002772.html
That news article confirms Minoans did indeed come from Turkey. See, that little tidbit squashed part of my theory of them coming from Africa.
Here is a news article:
"Crete's fabled Minoan civilization was built by people from Anatolia, according to a new study by Greek and foreign scientists that disputes an earlier theory that said the Minoans' forefathers had come from Africa. The new study – a collaboration by experts in Greece, the USA, Canada, Russia and Turkey – drew its conclusions from the DNA analysis of 193 men from Crete and another 171 from former neolithic colonies in central and northern Greece. The results show that the country's neolithic population came to Greece by sea from Anatolia – modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria – and not from Africa as maintained by US scholar Martin Bernal.
The DNA analysis indicates that the arrival of neolithic man in Greece from Anatolia coincided with the social and cultural upsurge that led to the birth of the Minoan civilization, Constantinos Triantafyllidis of Thessaloniki’s Aristotle University said. "Until now we only had the archaeological evidence – now we have genetic data too and we can date the DNA," he said."
http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/002772.html
That news article confirms Minoans did indeed come from Turkey. See, that little tidbit squashed part of my theory of them coming from Africa.
I dunno. That article goes out of its way to specify that the area the claim the Minoans to have come from is "Iran, Iraq and Syria" not "Turkey". Furthermore, that same area is often discussed as the original PIE homeland, backing up the linguistic evidence that constitutes the backbone to what I was talking about.
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Secondly you state that Trojans were not Greek:
Wiki - Troy says:
The Trojan royal kinship, in Greek eyes, traced its descent from the Pleiad Electra and Zeus, the parents of Dardanus. According to Greek myths, Dardanus was originally from Arcadia but according to Roman myths, he was originally from Italy, having crossed over to Asia Minor from the island of Samothrace, where he met King Teucer. Teucer was himself also a coloniser from Attica, and treated Dardanus with respect. Eventually Dardanus married Teucer's daughters, and founded Dardania (later ruled by Aeneas). Upon Dardanus' death, the Kingdom was passed to his grandson Tros, who called the people Trojans and the land Troad, after himself. Ilus, son of Tros, founded the city of Ilium (Troy) that he called after himself.
So you can see it was possible for Troy to have been settled by an early Greek Arcadian from the Peloponnese.
I am not trying to 'prove' you wrong or anything, I just found your post interesting because i had only been reseacrhing those same things!
Wiki - Troy says:
The Trojan royal kinship, in Greek eyes, traced its descent from the Pleiad Electra and Zeus, the parents of Dardanus. According to Greek myths, Dardanus was originally from Arcadia but according to Roman myths, he was originally from Italy, having crossed over to Asia Minor from the island of Samothrace, where he met King Teucer. Teucer was himself also a coloniser from Attica, and treated Dardanus with respect. Eventually Dardanus married Teucer's daughters, and founded Dardania (later ruled by Aeneas). Upon Dardanus' death, the Kingdom was passed to his grandson Tros, who called the people Trojans and the land Troad, after himself. Ilus, son of Tros, founded the city of Ilium (Troy) that he called after himself.
So you can see it was possible for Troy to have been settled by an early Greek Arcadian from the Peloponnese.
I am not trying to 'prove' you wrong or anything, I just found your post interesting because i had only been reseacrhing those same things!
We've had the "mythology is not legitimate historical research" argument once to often for me to seriously discuss this. Yes, it is "possible", as you say, but I reckon it's exactly as reliable as the Allies' propaganda films about the Nazis in WWII.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE (jaylemurph @ May 31 2008, 02:15 AM)
I dunno. That article goes out of its way to specify that the area the claim the Minoans to have come from is "Iran, Iraq and Syria" not "Turkey". Furthermore, that same area is often discussed as the original PIE homeland, backing up the linguistic evidence that constitutes the backbone to what I was talking about.
We've had the "mythology is not legitimate historical research" argument once to often for me to seriously discuss this. Yes, it is "possible", as you say, but I reckon it's exactly as reliable as the Allies' propaganda films about the Nazis in WWII.
--Jaylemurph
We've had the "mythology is not legitimate historical research" argument once to often for me to seriously discuss this. Yes, it is "possible", as you say, but I reckon it's exactly as reliable as the Allies' propaganda films about the Nazis in WWII.
--Jaylemurph
OK well I'll check out the first article some more, I see your point, that gives me a new lead.
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