lol I can't say what's inaccurate here - rules. suffice to say if you can find a real lesbian made - porn and compare it to most out there you'd see. As an adventurous lesbian I've never had the need or have had a woman come to bed in high heels. Motorcycle boots , work boots ? sure , traction !( in a pair of chaps would be a nice touch) . high heels are a disaster waiting to happen ! lol

as for noise ? some women are quiet , some are not.

like I said find real porn , which isn't easy to do and most of that kinda stinks too , and you'd see why.

The L word is nice , erotic , closer to real life than most , but really doesn't get into it ( so far as I seen , I'm only in season 3 of viewing . but then again it's a soap opera not a manual.)

I guess I'm just going to have to find out for myself....

Gog created the universe. the universe created man

God doesnt care that we get pleasure from sex. sex is natural. the way our brain works is natural.

O ya and hell doesnt exist unless u believe in it.

I also some times find a little guy on guy action hot. I know exactly what your saying about the girl on girl stuff it annoys me so much. The girls are usually giggling and don't look very serious, I like to see real passion.

I agree. I think it can be more beneficial for the child/ren when the parents to gather but it can be damaging if the parents are unhappy. Your relationship with your partner is a huge example for the kids. I think single people can do just as good raising their kids rather than exposing them to a bad relationship.

Every POV is one sided. You either buy into it, or not. It may be sad to you, but for others who bought into it, my POV is a big relief.



Monogamy persevere today because we have been indoctrinated since day one. Also, when it comes to tangible things, humans are selfish, they want to keep things for themselves if they could get away with it. They only see the other side(s) if something inevitable, beyond their control, happens to them.



As I alluded, these provide examples why humans are self centered, but there is nothing wrong about being self centered, especially for survival's sake. Unless one REALLY works at it and both are still getting sexually satisfied, the emotional aspect of a mono-g relationship is out-the-door. But, mono-g doesn't have a monopoly on this. All relationships are just the same.



Exactly, they add God in the mix to congratulate themselves.



Yeah, yeah, the physical side is a given because of deadly diseases, WE ALL KNOW THAT, but the emotional side? Again, we have been indoctrinated to react as such because when it comes to tangible things, humans are very selfish. We have been taught since day one to protect our property and to react in certain ways.



Oh gee, I forgot, that love thing -- as if other relationships cannot use this abstract word, and only people in a mono-g relationship has the absolute RIGHT to use it because God has given them the corner on it.



Good for you, and I really mean this. I love to hear happy married people.

That's not entirely true in light of the discussion. There is also a bio/chemical mechanism that drives us to be possessive of our mates. Biologically, females want all the male's resources devoted to her offspring, and men want to make sure that they are not expending resources raising another male's offspring.

Prove to me the gene that causes these unique actions. Source???

I don't know of a "gene" that causes these actions, which are not in any way unique. I didn't claim a genetic cause. I said there is biological reason for jealousy and possessiveness of one's mate.

We KNOW, however, that biochemical reactions happen in the brain that underly the feelings of jealousy. We know that a jealous male makes different sperm from a secure male. We know that hormones change when we suspece infidelity. We know that these chemical and hormonal changes happen. And there's a reason other than just societal. There is biological reason and benefit to both sexes to keeping a mate monogamous for at least awhile.

We are biologically serial monogamists. We feel infatuation long enough to conceive a child and raise the child past the extremely uncertain newborn period into late infancy. Then the feelings of infatuation fade. We KNOW this from experiments and observations of the chemistry of people "in love" and in long term relationships.

Since you cannot prove the gene factor, then the element which triggers the chemical reaction is social based -- jealousy and infidelity are definitely not biological nor chemical, could they be social???

Your "biologically serial monogamists" point is very weak, to say the least.

That's not necessarily true. If you are going to play semantics like that, they you also can claim that "love" and attraction are merely social, unless you can prove a gene factor for that.

And because I cannot prove a gene that dictates jealousy does not mean there isn't one, or that geneticists have not isolated one. I am not a geneticist.



They most certainly are biological. They serve a definite purpose. That's not to say that there is no social aspect. Clearly, there likely is. But it is not accurate to suggest that they are ONLY social, unless you have some research to back that up.



Actually, it isn't. It is the dominant theory of human sexual/biological behavior. I'm leaving for the weekend, and I dont' waste personal time on the forum, but if you like, I can try to find some biological research for you that indicated the awe are, indeed, serial monogamists. I'll start off with a few easily found ones, however:


http://books.google.com/books?id=21PwyfVUQ...7YVysy7mWixdZN4

http://www.experiencefestival.com/serial_monogamy

You've already forgotten what the argument was about. Slavery is indeed illegal in most industralized western nations but that doesn't stop it from being there. If we were to remove the restriction on slavery what do you think would happen? Would the more morally advanced people of today as you claim denounce it or exploit it, because I'm sure it would be hard to find a company from a western nation using child or near slave labour from abroad in this day an age:rolleyes:

Here are a few for you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4534393.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4532617.stm
[b]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/6459369.stm[b]



Absolutely only when law is establish do people begin to act "morally" not because of their own morallity but do to fear from the state. This was also the case in ancient times , as long as there was a state people would act according to the law. So what is one to do should a state like Nazi Germany rise again to restore order , what type of morallity would arise from such a state.




Never did, I just said that today the number of women oppressed far exceeds the number of women who are not. But then again you only seem to be concerned about the west and not the rest of the world.



So does the fact the state forcefully confiscates the land from the people and brutally puts down protests doesnt bother you?




I don't disagree with this but I do with the idea that we've somehow become more moral now than we were then.

I've never claimed love and attraction as such. They are abstract concepts, neither genetic nor social. They are beyond our mind's control, but they are real, even if the words "love" and "attraction" are created by man to designated something so profound to basically simplify them, dumb them down.



Exactly, so let the pros do the talking to prove your "biological" point.



They are social, and I don't have to give you second-hand knowledge (someone else's bookworm findings) to back my claim, just look around you.



According to whom??? According to the "obscure" links you've provided??? If you say so. On the other hand, you haven't made a believer out of me. Dominant, indeed. It looks to me as if a bunch of individuals is jockeying for an award, trophy, a pat in the head. "Good boy, now sit."

Oh please , gimme a break ...........

This picture was from The Passion of the Christ. Most Christians flocked to it, LOVED IT !! Alot of unbelievers found this blood lust to be very disturbing . It grossed HUGE sales/profits with Christians.I remember my Christian friends commenting how great this movie was but yet they walked out on Natural Born killers another bloody mess of a movie. So this pic was not meant as a joke>it was to provoke self-examination> and I remembered right away how odd it was that many loved this blood fest of a movie>but react uncomfortable to sex on film (many uncomfortably aroused-but hey god made y'all that way )


Criticism of the explicit violence

Critics were troubled by the film's explicitly-detailed violence, and especially cautioned parents to avoid taking their children to the cinema. Although only one sentence in three of the Gospels mentions Jesus's flogging, and it is unmentioned in the fourth, The Passion of the Christ devotes ten minutes to the portrayal of the flogging. Newspaper movie reviewer Roger Ebert, who rated the movie four-of-four stars, said in his review:

The movie is 126 minutes long, and I would guess that at least 100 of those minutes, maybe more, are concerned specifically and graphically with the details of the torture and death of Jesus. This is the most violent film I have ever seen.

Ebert also mentioned that the R-rated film merits the MPAA NC-17 rating in a "Movie Answer Man" response, adding that no level-minded parent should ever allow children to see it.[5]

A.O. Scott, in The New York Times, said, The Passion of the Christ is so relentlessly focused on the savagery of Jesus' final hours that this film seems to arise less from love than from wrath, and to succeed more in assaulting the spirit than in uplifting it."[6]

David Edelstein, Slate Magazine 's fim critic, dubbed the film "a two-hour-and-six-minute snuff movie — The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre — that thinks it's an act of faith", and further criticised director Mel Gibson's focusing on the brutality of Jesus's execution, instead of his religious teachings.[7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ

Having never seen the movie, I can't really comment. But I had heard of its realistic portrayal of Christ's death and I did not want to see it because for me, it is too close to my heart. I know that Christ suffered, I've read the book. Showing me again would just be hitting too close to home. I'd probably be a weeping mess at the end.

Well I'm glad to hear that.

Weep for mankind also, many are suffering just as much now.

Be happy for Jesus. Most people are not that fortunate to rule in heaven after being tortured

I know where the pic is from . I walked out on the movie because it was very graphic and I just could not handle it. Pushover well maybe but I think that Jesus did die for our sins and the christians who loved this movie wants to get across the pain and tourture Jesus went through . While I agree Jesus was tortured and persacuted I have no need to see it as it was just too much for me personally. Now I have seen horror movis and they don't bother me but knowing what my saviour went through for me is too close. Please don't assume I like the movie just because other christians lked it. Always a pleasure

How are we suffering as Jesus did?

There are people die everyday who suffer horrible slow deaths.

I didn't go and see the movie myself, human sacrifice is not my thing. I would rather see a movie with a lot of sex in it.

True people do die slow horrible deaths but to compar that to the tourture of Jesus Christ? To die slowly with disease is one thing but to die of utter touture and pain is quite another. How could the two be compared, We have modern medicine and can acsess this for pain control diseases you name it. What did Jesus have , nothing but pain and persicution. You say well Jesus Christ is in heaven now well that does not lessen the pain he endured for us. Wether you believe in God or not the torture and pain Jesus endured is inhuman and cruel and if this crime were commited in todays times what do you think would happen? We as humans would not allow such even if it were the most hated person on earth. Always a pleasure

You might want to look into the experiments and torture techniques used by the Nazi's. As well as the torture techniques used by the IRA when they discovered British agents within their group. (as well as many other horrendous murders around the globe). Disease isn't really comparable to what other people have endured. I won't post links because they're to disturbing. They're not just comparable to what jesus endured but in some cases far worse.

Christ is supposed to have suffered ever sin that had, was and will be done on the Earth. Including all of those tortures that the Nazis imposed on the Jews.


Why do you think he wanted out of it.

Sorry Christ does not get to rule in heaven that is Gods realm.

That isexactly my point. there can be no comparison, Jesus carried all the weight of our sins. Noone will ever even be able to imagine such pain so no matter what anyone says there will never be another that can be compared to Jesus and his ultimate sacrafice for us, Always a pleasure

The thing is, I think it's still subjectable of the existence of Christ and what happened to him. I am not as sure of his existence or what he went through, but I know of those who did endure so much and that gets me. I can understand the feelings of those who do believe it, and I stand behind your feelings. The thing is, I think that so many have endured more, and for more. What is a fact is that my father served in the Army in WW2 and was a Prisoner of War in a German POW camp. He suffered, and that is what I think of. So, I do not like that his pain, and the pain of so many gets pushed aside.
As for the picture, the meaning behind it I do not have the same reaction as some here. I agree that their feelings should be respected, I just do not feel the same thing. Although on a different point of view and reaction, I was a bit shocked in seeing it. I haven't seen "the Passion of the Christ", and I understand the meaning of the joke and why the picture was posted. The whole scene with the blood and the pain on his face made me feel a bit unease. There are people like my husband who look at things like that, and pass out. I bet there are those here who read these forums that may react very negatively to that picture in a physical sense. When my husband and I were invited over to our friends and neighbors house to watch "Saving Private Ryan" on their big screen tv, we left after the first act, because I had to drag my husband home. He was literally passed out on our neighbor's kitchen floor. Seeing a needle prick someone's arm, and he will fall to the floor. I think that picture is too gory to be placed on here. I'm sorry, just my feelings and a heads up on how serious this could get.

You would be amazed at how bad pain gets before you pass out from it. I know I was surprised. Believe me there is a point and types of pain even the best pain drugs don't work and you will beg to die. Been there done that committed no crime or sin.



That is what I am talking about. People are tortured and killed some where in the world everyday.

I personally believe that males think more about sex than females

think about it...they say the avarage man thinks about sex every few mins or so

A man finds it hard to go days without sex....a man is always going on about how he has his NEEDS!!!!!

Do men have more sexual hormones than females??? IMO yea looks like it

A man finds it really hard to push his sexual fantasies away...he finds it hard to stay clear of a (to be polite).... stiff joint..when looking at a sexy female or in many cases he only has to see a quick flash of her bare shoulder lol .....pun not intended!!!

The biggest suckers for porn are mainly MEN.....................people get rich from men...by opening up strip joints..easy money.....men pay through the nose to have sex with hookers..even if these men have partners at home...they cant help themselves...you don't see many male hookers hanging around street corners LOL

Over all it does seem that men have more sexual needs and sexual hormones than women.....

So when it comes to rape -yes its about controll over another....but it is about sex....for if it wasnt...then they wouldnt do it
Although....saying it is about power...is strange..especially when a grown man rapes a defencless baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sick freak

PS for all we know rapists are men who are too cheap to pay for a hooker lol

I would never push others pain aside My mom suffered eveyday for years and my dad suffers pain everyday. I guess my point is try and imagine taking on the whole worlds sin and dealing with that while being tourtued. Its not that I don't think people die everyday in pain because I know they do. But how do you compare the two, I just don't believe you can and thats not pushing others pain aside or measuring their pain. Always a pleasure


I too live in pain everyday and function on medications but I have never been to the point of wanting to die, That I think may change my perspective a bit. People are tourtred and killed everyday and I am not saying different just that I don't think the two are comparable. Take childbirth for example Eve caused us to endure great pain in giving birth but ask any mom and she will tell you it was worth the pain some have far more pain than others and I am not trivilizing anyones pain believe me I just believe Jesus taking on the whole worlds sin and being crucified is not comparable with my pain atleast , i will not be so arrogant as to say any others pain wasn't as great just my opinion there not comparable. Always a pleasure

There are nearly 7 billion people on this planet right now. Christ suffered for all of their sins. Now tell me how many people have there been on the planet.

I feel that concept of this is EXTREMELY RIDICULOUS & ILLOGICAL (but for another thread)

Just because a "highly suspect" book claims this as truth>does not make it so

Why can't you guys just present us with the "tiniest ,smallest shred of evidence" ? please...please ...PLEASE !!!!!!!!!

The picture was NOT meant as a joke. It was to show what kind of movie/violence Mel Gibson (a Christian) appearantly approves of.
And that many Christians loved/love it. Would any Christians have been pleased had it been an Atheist or someone else opposed to Christianity nailed to the cross ?

America (a mostly Christian nation) loves violence in movies. It is a heavily discussed subject & observation here in Germany.

They have a saying here/Germany> that in the USA> it's ok to cut off a breast with a chainsaw but it's unacceptable for it to be caressed or suckled.

Did you ever notice the people always/often get slaughtered during a sexual act in american movies ? Sick !!

Time to take a closer look into the mirror




Oh and by the way, some of my favorite movies have alot of violence in them Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, American History X>but I don't appreciate slasher movies with no good story> and erotic movies are fine with me>some porn is deeply disturbing and there are people that are forced into it

i just find it odd when severe violence is acceptable & sex on film is not

I have to admitt I agree with the Germans. We have our morality mixed up.

again , jesus suffering and bearing the weight of any sin is an opinion. not a fact. He would have been lucky to die in 3 hours and not get his legs broken. Most took days to die after being tortured. Jesus got off easy.

and plenty of people have died worse ,more painfully. and have forgiven - it's known some jews did in concentration camps. doesn't make jesus unique.

This reminds me of the opening scene from Hellbound Hellraiser II.

God has no part in it, due to the fact that he is not real. (Just my opinion).

The more sex we have the more of our genes pass on and the more the human species advances. Simple as that. There is NOTHING wrong with sex, having sex, wanting sex, its only natural and sadly today we treat it as a crass subject because we have become so effing PC.

Oh and btw, about Porno, WTF? Whats wrong with Porn? Take it from me and you're dead!

Anyway thats just my atheist, honest, opinion on the matter.

I totally agree.

I'm sorry, I thought someone here was pointing out for you that they thought it was meant for a joke. I do get you had a reason for posting it. The thing is, I think it's way too graphically bloody. You're right, that it is worth thinking about when some people go crazy over sex being shown, but watch with glee over the violence. I do not get that at all as well. Since I brought up my husband and his reactions to very on the shot violent and gory shots, I think people need to get upset at the posting and viewing of violence and gore. My husband and I have watched porn, and we haven't gotten overboard. In fact, I do believe that was how kid number one came to be. I'm just saying, that there might be more of shock and reaction to this picture than the outcry from some Christians. There are also people who might have a physical reaction from it. It stresses your point, yes, but still, it might do more so. *Shrugs*
I also agree with Darkwind, we as a country here in the states, we are too prudish. I have seen the difference, when I have traveled to Europe and Canada. As a military wife for the past 17 years, I am even more shocked at how ridiculous these attitudes are.

Proof is in the heart MLOR, Always a pleasure

Thank all the gods & goddesses that ever were that courts require more than "heart" proof....

Oh come on JMPD I was trying to be deep, Always a pleasure

Off topic, but worth commenting on..... The above quotation is the absolute best argument AGAINST "free will" that I have ever read.

I understand. Yes, the picture is shocking but anyone knows it is fake. And i didn't make the movie. I'm a big sissy when it comes to blood. I wanted a reaction of course.

I just don't see why violence is ok but sex is not ? People really seem to fear their own sexuality. Why ? I'm not saying we should act like wild animals or nothing.-just have a positive,responsible & reasonable attitude about sex & nudity and not act like 5th graders about it.

I remember when I was little (about 5) I used to rest my hands over my private parts just because it was a comfortable position and I was sensitive to cold there.My grandma discovered this (a believer) and removed my hands in shock and told me that was dirty.and to keep my hands away. I only was resting my hands ? You can't tell me that this attitude has nothing to do with religion ? My granny was a wonderful woman, but still but this is the way religion conformed her mind

Well my heart/instinct tells me it's all baloney (if god exists I have no idea)

But I understand what you are saying

Why he had a choose in the grove to not accept. He also had a choose on the cross to make it stop.

Incorrect. He had NO choice in the matter at all.
"God's will be done".

I must admit, I do not understand as well. Growing up secular, I have a more up front way of looking at things. So, I'm just as perplexed as you. I can understand the dangers and such, but to think how dirty, but to have such glee over violence, when it's still just as horrible and painful, yeah I'm really shocked at this as well.

Yeah, I know, sometimes I wonder if many are being hurt by what they are being taught.

JMPD when someone holds something close to their heart ...no court in the country could disprove what lays in someones heart....people follow their hearts..even you have...

"can't help themselves?" Oh please. Men can "help themselves." Except for those with sexual problems like sexual addiction. The average man can controll his libido, at least to the extent that he isn't drooling and foaming at the mouth and buying a whore every night, or in most cases, EVER.





This just isn't true. Rape is about power, domination, and humiliation. There's nothing "sexy" about it. Sex addicts do not rape people. Highly libidinous people generally don't rape people. Rape doesn't happen becuase the perpetrator is so horney he can't controll himself. It happens for different reasons.




Agreed, there are some VERY sick people out there, people so disturbed that they feel the need to dominate a baby. Thankfully, these people are few and far between.



That is absolutely false. Men don't rape women to fulfill sexual desire.

From now on quote the persons name before you do this...I almost skipped over it...

NOW Men cant help themselves...and I don't mean ALL MEN but I do mean and would dare say a brave majority of men cannot help themselves....CONTROLL??? LMAO is that why many men when complaining to the girlfriend or missus...that they are rather sore down there from NOT releasing the tension??? letting loose ?? you know what I mean...controll dont make me laugh. the only way a man can fully controll his sexual hormones is to remove his testicals....in fact thats what kings in certain countries used to do to the male guards and servants...the king would make sure that each male had his teticals removed...just so they would have no desire for his many beautiful brides...<---fact.....now if those men could control so easy..then they would still have their testicals !

A man can get a hard one by the slightest thing..I know that seems weird me saying so..but its a fact....men think about sex a hell of a lot more than women do...<--men with the macho ego will agree with this..in fact I have heard men brag about how often he thinks about sex....and a lot would admit openely about having fun with pam and her five sisters <--if you have no idea what I mean by that....ask someone else LOL...a lot of men arent afraid to admit what omes naturally to them...................maybe you do..thats your problem
If you can sit on your backside and tell me you could enter a strip joint and not feel the slightest bit turned on..and not a sexual thought has entered your head..then I would say you are either gay or a drone


I said it was about power but also about sex.as sex plays a huge part in it.for if sex didnt play a part in it and it wasnt partly about sex..then it would just be a brutal attack and not rape..if it had nothing to do with sex..then no sex would be done...many get pleasure from raping a victim


Please show me where I said there was something SEXY about rape??? I said sex was part of rape...not it was sexy...learn to read it right


Now how in the world would you know??? how many rapists have sat and told you why and what?? how many sex addicts have told you and cme to think of it how many libidinous people have told you all??? how can you speak for all these people???you and expert now?? get outta here

yeaa and you would know all of this cuz you have interviewed so many rapists...gimme a break...what makes sense to me is this--- IMO cuz he wants to hear them scream and hurt them..at the same time get pleasure in it with sex...the pleasure pain theory...they get the pain while the rapist has all the pleasure.....

first off rape aint normale an secont if a man is married he should not sleep arond

first off rape aint normale an secont if a man is married he should not sleep arond