Why did God wire men so tight sexually and then throw them in hell for acting on their nature?</H1>Like fornicating
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God made men sexually wired alot more than any animal on this earth just so they won't be tired of repopulating? But when men can't control their natural desires God throws them in hell?(Old testament times) Why is that?
http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...16201841AAM9wdf

I found this in answers.com
I just wondered what you guys here think, And for the record women should be included in the argument also.
In your opinion did God create the over sexually wired man or did man create it? Always a pleasure


Please note these are not my thoughts or veiws(in blue) I just found it interesting that one would blame something like this on God, Thank you

First off, don't include rape as a normal outlet for male sexuality. Rape is not about sex anyway, it's about power.

God wired men so sexually to insure that the species survives. Man wrote that it is immoral to have sex with multiple partners to organize society so that a culture could remain cohesive and defend itself against enemies.

Humans are serial monagamists biologically. Having one mate for life is contrary to the biological imperative and is not even good for the species, in a strictly biological sense, in the way that if a male has very good genes, society prevents him from passing those jeans on in any combination except with his spouse. And that is not the best plan for the species. Those good genes should be allowed to combine with the best female genes in multiple configurations to produce the strongest and most varried offspring.

Pornography is the response to societies restrictions on normal male sexual behavior. If a man can't have multiple partners, that drive finds an outlet in fantasy. And pornography is merely an exercise of that desire for multiple partners.

Exactly. Although, I do think that adultery is harmful to society. It brings pain into people's lives. I don't think we can look at it purely biologically. Emotions dictate a large part of human decision. Pain is a very powerful emotion.

Well i don't agree with "over sexually wired man", but i'll go with it for the sake of your thread.



I'll go for option 3, nature.

Not only males enjoy porn you know. If I wanted to I would have multiple parters whether society likes it or not, but I dont want or desire that in any way. I'm very happy with one partner and my porn...

I agree, but only in the sense that our society set up the construct of lifetime monogamy.

Look what happens in people who are too young to marry...with some exception, they largly:

Date
Mate
Break up

Over and over again.

While breaking up is "hard to do" (song, hehe!) People survive it. Divorce is so much more difficult because society has set up the unrealistic expectation (SOMETIMES unrealistic) that this relationship is going to last forever.

Marriage still has some security, however. But, as people form social groups previously nonexistant, and women can support themselves and their offspring, and men interact with more and more women in their daily lives, the need for marriage as security is diminishing.

It is entirely possible for an advanced society to remain cohesive without marriage, although for a primitive society, marriage reinforces the culture, without a doubt.




Note that often porn for women is pretty different than porn for men...

To be honest.. and going from a veiw that is my own..

Since I don't even believe in the abrahamic god, I don't believe that this god created humans, or their sexual uptightness.

Sex has *ALWAYS* been used as a tool for control. And the early churches and people who were in control knew this, and knew how to use it for their benifit. So it's not some deity that makes humans so sexually repressed, it's our own doing.

Well, Sandee, the answer is that God created your lot to be endlessly fascinating. Duh.

And a great use of that spare rib, in my opinion.

Sorry but rape is about hate & nothing more....

I dont think god had anything to do with it. I think its just the genetic makeup for males of any species. Its their job to to breed with as many females as possible to ensure the survival of the species. I have read where humans are the only species that actually gets any pleasure from sex,,but who really knows.

It’s just the way we evolved. Some of our sexual behaviors gave us a reproductive advantage over our competition that allows us to produce offspring at any time of the year. Sex also serve as a great tension breaker among social animals such as ourselves.

Because god said "yeah" to polygamy & concubines ?

"If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish." -Exodus 21:10

"If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his." -Deuteronomy 21:15-17

While these two verses allow for polygamy, the main point of both is a provocative one. God is saying to the men of Israel that they are only allowed to take another wife if they can keep themselves from playing favorites. Consider in particular the phrase "her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish." I could be wrong, but I think God is saying that if you have sex with your wife four times a week, that doesn't mean getting a second wife means you can sleep with each one twice a week; you need to keep your first wife's, ahem, "duty of marriage" at the same level.

Oh yeah, don't you just love it ?

'Nuff said.

i think I luv you !!

Who says that men are more sexual than women? (lets leave out the created bit thats a whole 'nother arguement). Women are just as sexually driven as men, we have just had over two millenia of the church saying women are temptress and we get labeled either a whore or stay a virgin. Men don't have that issue even biblically now do they? There is a whole lot of sex in the bible. The church has just put a cap on things it considered wrong to keep folk in line.

Rape as is mentioned before is an act of violence not sex. You have to wonder if our society (western US culture talking here) is so frought with sexual imagery and we have sexual images pasted everywhere, yet are totally sexually repressed? Thank the church. I think if we had an open understanding that sex is sex and not attached to whether you go to hell or not, people would lighten up.

As for why men are sexually ?tight? (still not sure what you meant by that) maybe..sexually driven? Ever met ANY male of any species? If a male animal is intact, its going to want to procreate, and a lot at that. Its called nature. It means survival of the species. Same could be said about female sexuality as well.

excellent post. and sexual activity depends really on hormones. the lower the less. plenty of men start to be not so driven as women start too.

plus remember - it's quality not quantity that counts. maybe that's why women 'seem' less interested. they need more quality.

Actually Dolphins are the only other animal that has sex for pleasure.

As do Bonobos which are a species of great ape.

I agree aout rape power and hate. So the men with "very good genes should have the option to go out and procreate with as many women as he wants because he has great genes and can contribute to society? Now thats one reason I have never heard of for men to 'procreate" .But seriously if that was the case it be kinda like picking and choosing who society would be. Say only the men and women with great genes were allowed to procreate would that even change society? Just a thought,


Very true, Adultry hurts everyone invoved and i can not think of one good reason to even commit adultry it is most destuctive and painful,




What a very nice thing to say, your a charmer Eightbits,

Always a pleasure

"So the men with "very good genes should have the option to go out and procreate with as many women as he wants because he has great genes and can contribute to society? Now thats one reason I have never heard of for men to 'procreate" .But seriously if that was the case it be kinda like picking and choosing who society would be. Say only the men and women with great genes were allowed to procreate would that even change society? Just a thought"
-Sandee

There has been a scientific study in the past year or so that talks about this, actually...I don't have a citation or anything like that, but I learned of the experiment from one of my sister's friends, who is involved in evolutionary biology. Apparently the experiment was something like the following:
The researchers would find three random men, with rather different genetic makeup, and have each of them wear one specific shirt for a significant amount of time [multiple days, I think]. The shirts would then be presented to women. The women were asked to smell each shirt, and try to judge, by the smell, which man they think they might be most attracted to. Overwhelmingly, each woman would pick the shirt of the man whose genes (especially disease resistances) were very different from their own!

Kind of freaky to think about, isn't it? But it just goes to show that everything really IS about breeding...

It is the side of the brain they work from. And men are from Mars and women are from Venus! Martians are highly sexual and they don't have a clue as to what will happen after. That's the left brain. Venusians are very adorable and contain many thoughts. That's the right brain. I like Venusians!

Another thing:

Your body, male or female, operates by hormones. The male has testosterone and progesterone and the female estrogen, testosterone and progesterone. Both have two, but it is more in one and less in the other. More test. in the male and less test. in the female. When this balance is thrown off somehow, people get confused. I believe that God created a perfect individual. He did not create the second like He did the first, but the first created the second. Now, it may have been that the sexual desire was not supposed to be because the punishment of Eve was that the desire was to be for her husband which means that the desire was for somebody or something else before then. And that points to the woman having the wrong desire. It was the woman who brought on the bedevilment.

What's done is done though. Men do not produce estrogen which is produced in the ovaries of the female and estrogen is a ballooning hormone. Right now, the chicken you eat, the steak you eat, the milk you drink, and more are pumped full of estrogen to make the production larger. That is a big big problem. Put estrogen in a male and you have a few homosexuals and all of the stuff that goes with it; AIDS, HIV, Gonorreah, syphyllis, etc. Rapes, adultery, porn, fornication, masturbation . . . and the list goes on.

What can be done, though? I don't know. God has not created a new type of human yet. In fact, I think He stopped creating on the sixth day. That was a long time ago and He turned over the judgement of mankind to mankind. In other words, you have to judge for yourself what to do.

where did you get your education from ? soooooooo wrong.

Thank you, Leutenant. Now, tell me what is wrong with that and use your bible now, this is spirituality, religion and beliefs. In my belief system, the bible is foremost. Granted there are things I have done that make me shy away from certain things, but I can battle. And I am not scared to do that when I am told that I am wrong. Because I know I'm not.

I don't think it's so different at all, but maybe thats just me.

So I take it you don't masturbate....

I'm not going to use a bible but science.

hormones do not cause HIV , gonorrhea , syphilis ect........ stupidity may play a part but not hormones.


too little testosterone may play a part in a sluggish sex life for both men and women it can also be the result of high blood pressure , obesity and diabetes.

too much testosterone can be beneficial on one hand for certain health issues and we know what it can also do to those who take it when it isn't needed.

also it's been found that in prisons alot of rapists and murderers tend to have high testosterone levels.

overall gay men had the same levels of testosterone as their straight counterparts. however hormone levels in the womb may be a different matter.

plenty of straight women have high testosterone levels and plenty of straight men have low ones.

estrogen and testosterone wouldn't affect your sexual identity but it would affect your drive.

Also there is a vast majority of men and women who are disgusted by porn, like me. I refuse to be with someone who watches it. (im not flaming anybody who watches porn its just my personal opinion) And rape, adultery and all sorts of those bad things we do to each other are not just done by men. Also women in some cases have just as high if not higher sex drive then some men. I believe god has nothing to do with it, its just human nature to reproduce. I dont agree with the statement that says "if a male has very good genes, society prevents him from passing those jeans on in any combination except with his spouse. And that is not the best plan for the species. Those good genes should be allowed to combine with the best female genes in multiple configurations to produce the strongest and most varied offspring." The "species" has been doing quite fine doing this actually, you will find in any species there is a pecking order, its no different with us. Also if you start "passing those genes around" then how many of us would end up being related to each other? Which causes a whole lot of other problems like interbreeding, which causes birth defects and such so thats not a very good idea.

Very well put.
GreggK your biological knowledge is seriously flawed, it is like you only have picked up half of it. I don't think endocrinology is in the bilbe however.

Firstly the name of this thread is bizarre!!! "men so tight sexually" what does that even mean?

Anyways regarding these studies it reminded me of something I learnt years ago - that for women on the Pill there is the opposite affect - they go for guys who are closer genetically.

http://www.skyaid.org/Skyaid%20Org/Medical...nt_of_a_man.htm

Yeah seems like not a whole lot of women like it. Kinda makes me wonder if I got some extra testosterone in my system lol. Personally I think most of the guys in porn are dirty grease balls.

This is an absolutely ridiculous proposition, \I have known far more mothers that deserted their families than I have fathers! That may be just my personal experience but hey it is the TRUTH in my experience. Just this week, I was a witness in a trial where the mother set her home on fire and BURNED her two children to death, because she was resentful of having to care for them instead of her new boyfriend.

Your posts seem to be getting progressively ignorant. I thought you were banned anyway.

*edit* Most of the people I have had experience with, as far as hating porn, were so hopelessly repressed they couldn't even recognize their own arousal, the others were fat unattractive sorts who felt threatened by a depiction of anyone else being able to have fun.

Yes, exactly! I had forgotten about that part. And you're right, Sandee's choice of title for this thread is pretty awkward...

I did not name the thread just posted the article as I really can't see how anyone could blame God for these kinds of things You would have to ask the author about the name of it, Always a pleasure

€Wait a minute, you didn't name the thread?! So will you ever take ANY responsibility for the nonsense , flame baiting posts you produce?!

oh ps - men do produce an amount of estrogen. exactly why and how I don't remember.

No I realize you didn't- it actually makes me laugh. But if there was a thread saying "why did god create women so tight sexually" i would probably be outraged! Yeah double standards whatever

It has nothing to do with god. It has to do with the natural instinct to mate. Your question should be, why has religion/society made women into prudes.

I don't know . I think if it works in the bedroom and isn't a habit or something you have to have then it's ok.

I think more women like it than admit to it ! when I was younger we'd have porn parties. all female , lesbian and straight over the summer. every other Saturday and a deck of cards. soon it went from our happy half dozen to well over 20 women. loads of fun , porn , hair dye , euchre , BBQ . I got to admit that was one great summer . sure there were women who thought the porn was 'disgusting' but you'd catch them watching it.

usually our tastes bordered on the weird , unbelievable , or campy. all while hair was being dyed some awful color !!

the end of the night was always a campfire n smores !

really was lots of fun.

The difference is in the interpretation of the signals in your brain which are a direct result of the influence the hormones have in your body. But there is nothing biblical about that. The bible does not tell you that certain things are going to cause you to do certain things. But, it does tell you to care for your body. And that is where the problem comes in. When someone constantly tells you that something is good and is really not, you're going to believe it. Now Leutenant, I may not know much about HIV or AIDS because I don't have it. And I don't mean to be rude to women because if there were no women, there would be no men.



There is something wrong with that statement. All of the diseases I mention are aftereffects caused by mental states and other things besides estrogen. I cannot get any more graphic than I do without breaking rules. But estrogen is a banned substance in sports competition because of the bulk it provides. I cannot add any more without breaking rules. And the mental state is what I am pointing to. There are people who buy chicken and eat it, pork, beef, drink milk, and they don't have problems like I have described.

But the rapes, adultery, porn, fornication, masturbation are learned behaviours or forced behaviours. God did not create those.

No Lt. Ripley, males do not produce estrogen, but testosterone is converted into an active form of estrogen called estradiol.

And this, according to WebMD, increases spatial memory. And if you give a man extra estrogen, he has better verbal memory. So, eat more chicken and learn more words.

I'm well aware that it has nothing to do with religion, and what is it with you and the lieutenant thing.

uummm no estrogen doesn't make men homosexual. nor does testosterone make a man straight . it has nothing to do with identity , but with drive. if homosexuality is a mental state then so is heterosexuality. hard wired in the brain naturally.

estrogen isn't the steroid used to 'bulk up' that would be various forms of testosterone.

men naturally make estrogen as well as women naturally make testosterone. just in different degrees.

Men produce estrogen (Estradiol) but in much lower amount than women. Men also produce progesterone, but about half the amount from that of females. Progesterone is made in men by the adrenal glands and testes. Progesterone is vital to good health in both women and men.

high testosterone has been shown in murderers and rapists . not estrogen. masturbation is the most normal thing on earth sexually. it's abnormal not too. it's abnormal to do it too much as well. but the majority of humanity +90% masturbate. babies touch themselves. find it pleasurable - just a normal state of being human. so yes , God did create it.
if you say you don't or never have , your either lying , disturbed or physically unable too.

please , science and fact !

You probably went to the same place I did. Ok I'll back down. But the male does not have ovaries. That is where estrogen comes from. I understand if you give men estrogen you wind up with prostate cancer.

here's something interesting however - I didn't know that-

Estrogen might improve sex drive in men
Monday, 19 July 2004



http://www.abc.net.au/southwestwa/stories/s1157345.htm

Perhaps instead of 30 second web searches, you should consider a class in molecular biology.

I can't read that and not respond. Going from the bottom of your statement backwards, 'Babies touch themselves and find it pleasurable' . . . and as they grow children like to spread the pleasure that they have discovered if they are normal and if they are guided in the right way to show their affection to the female, then slowly they become attached to the female, I guess. But, if a pedophile comes along and touches them where it is pleasurable, then what? That is where you have to train your children that age does make a difference.
You know, I do not remember a case to where a rapist was a woman. Well, there has been female teachers who have taken advantage of younger students but it wasn't considered rape. I would enjoy some of my former teachers also, but that's neither here nor there; that's more fantasy.
Some pharmaceutical company came out with 'pheromones.' Well, I guess that goes along with aromatherapy. I haven't figured that out but rapist would use that.
With murderers now, you have to figure out what hormone produces rage of maybe the 'fight or flight' response and still I don't know the ratio of men to women murderers.
I disregard that last statement because that doesn't even concern anything.

Yeah, I agree that estrogen is not the banned substance, but it is testosterone. Who was that man who was competing for his last time in the bicycle thing and his medal was taken away because of his use of testosterone?

Things are hidden from you. Such as, why do you think that there has been this big blow up of prostate cancer?

And if you hold the baby tight and don't drop it on its head, I think everything will turn out fine.

That's something good. But sitting in front of a computer I thought to save time I would find something pertaining to what I was talking about.

Oh yes I did name it I put the name of the article on the top as I DID NOT write the article I posted the article as alot of people here post articles and links.And as for non sense and flamebaiting can you please be a little more clear, As I do no think my opinions are non sense nor am I flamebaiting with the article. I posted this article because I found it interesting that man found yet another thing to blame God. Man makes their own downfall God has nothing to do with it. I will take responsibility for what I do although at this point I have NO idea what your referring to Please elaborate,,,,,

If you find it such non sense why are you here posting anyway?/???????

I assume this pst is about me as well and NO I was not banned if anyone is flame baiting here its you so why don't you just leave if you don't agree with my topics it seems they interest you or you would not be hanging around now would you unless its just for the purpose of flamebaiting and personal attacks.

Christians rape because they're deprived of physical contact, they commit adultery because they invented it, and people look at porn because, once again, physical contact gets them killed by Jesus nuts. Women have an easier time complying because they have no sperm build-up driving them

Really, I haven't figured out why animal rights activists haven't jumped on this mice thing. Sure there is the 'eek' factor in the kitchen when the women are cooking and out runs a couple of meeces.

Thank you Lt. Ripley for showing me these things.