Darkwind
Feb 2 2008, 01:21 AM
Ok girls, tell me do you think chivalry dead? Do you like it when men open doors for you, do your chair, or help you with your coat.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
Feb 2 2008, 01:28 AM
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Feb 1 2008, 08:21 PM)

Ok girls, tell me do you think chivalry dead?
Not at all.
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Feb 1 2008, 08:21 PM)

Do you like it when men open doors for you, do your chair, or help you with your coat.
Of course.
Doggirl3
Feb 2 2008, 01:29 AM
No, I don't think that chivarly is dead. Down here in Alabama its called southern hospitality where man & woman open the doors for both sexes. The man still pull the seat out for a lady only when the lady ask. We still say say ma'am & no ma'am or yes sir, or no sir to questions.
And please, thank you, & excuse me also.
People still help people out if they need help. You see it alot on a show called Cash Cab where people always kind enought to help answer someone questions.
swtp
Feb 2 2008, 03:14 AM
No i don,t think it,s dead, just some people that don,t know, or care how to behave. And i,m one who appreciates it wether it comes from a man or a woman! I believe it,s just a matter of being polite, and if i get to a door before a man i,ll hold it open for him too. If i see a mother struggling to get a stroller through a door, i,ll run up and give her some help, and i,ve helped men put their coats on, especially if their hands are full, or they are elderly. And i won,t take up a seat on the bus if i can see someone who clearly is tired, looking ill or elderly either! Quite simply i try and treat others with the same politeness and respect as i hope others will treat me, wether male or female, young or old! And though i here people say there are who woman don,t like or want to be treated politely, but i,ve never met one, nor witnessed a woman get angry about it! But i have seen those who don,t thank the person for an act of politeness, and i imagine these are the same people who would let a door slam in your face, watch with a dumb look on their face as an elderly person struggles to keep from falling on a moving bus, when they could darn well stand up and do just fine!
dest_titor1
Feb 2 2008, 03:30 AM
Oh MY Gosh!
Every time I do something kind, open a door, pull a chair for a female, she yells at me "I can do that meself!, I do not need you!" I just grin, and leave, I dont like to argue.
xCrimsonx
Feb 2 2008, 03:43 AM
Yes and no, depends on the mood of a lady, the situation and the pretence behind the gesture.
Seems reasonable that a man let a lady walk ahead first to go through a door, so it would be curtious for a lady to open a door herself. etc
BlueZone
Feb 2 2008, 04:08 AM
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Feb 1 2008, 08:21 PM)

Ok girls, tell me do you think chivalry dead? Do you like it when men open doors for you, do your chair, or help you with your coat.
I appreciate good manners. I know that sounds incredibly fuddy-duddy, but in a world of screaming, pushy a******s with half chewed food falling out of their open mouths, it's nice to be around people who project the message "I want you to be comfortable". I don't feel like this stuff needs to be divided along sexual lines though. If I'm walking along with a guy and I get to the door first, I'll open it for him. If he gets there first, it's nice if he opens it for me.
I definitely wouldn't be rude to a man who was polite to me. How crude!
swtp
Feb 2 2008, 04:19 AM
QUOTE (dest_titor1 @ Feb 1 2008, 07:30 PM)

Oh MY Gosh!
Every time I do something kind, open a door, pull a chair for a female, she yells at me "I can do that meself!, I do not need you!" I just grin, and leave, I dont like to argue.
Wow i have never seen a woman yell at a guy for being nice, though i,ve seen them be rude and not thank him like it,s his job to do her bidding! But if i saw her yell i,d be secretly wishing he,d pull the chair out from under her ungreatful butt!
LizFL
Feb 2 2008, 04:46 AM
It's a little complicated for me. Here is the best way for me to put it - I LOVE IT when a guy does those things, but I am honestly not used to it so I feel akward. I guess when and If I ever get used to it will still be great, as long as it is not implied that I can not do these things myself.
InHuman
Feb 2 2008, 05:03 AM
No I dont think so.
I still hold the door open (for anyone) and all that, but sometimes people get all worked up.."I can do it myself ya kNOW!"...
Most girls my age think its lame and whatnot (in their mind anything nice is done just to get into their pants) but I dont like those girls anyways..heeh..
glorybebe
Feb 2 2008, 05:29 AM
QUOTE (InHuman @ Feb 1 2008, 09:03 PM)

No I dont think so.
I still hold the door open (for anyone) and all that, but sometimes people get all worked up.."I can do it myself ya kNOW!"...
Most girls my age think its lame and whatnot (in their mind anything nice is done just to get into their pants) but I dont like those girls anyways..heeh..
Oh, I would have something to say to a person who said that to me. I hold the door for people, I was raised that it was good manners to do it. And my sister has gotten mad at me saying something to people who just walk through as if I was their servant. Chivalry or manners, we all should practice them.
~ MacDDT ~
Feb 2 2008, 05:50 AM
When walking into a bar
Always open the door and let the lady walk in first, It's the right thing to do
and in case an enemy of yours is waiting inside to sucker punch you in the face when you walk in, it's the smart thing to do
Remember guys being a gentleman makes for a win win situation!
Bill Hill
Feb 2 2008, 05:56 AM
I always open doors for people...
Some people love it some people hate... and those that hate it are a******s anyway...
so it's a win/win situation.
randym23
Feb 2 2008, 06:02 AM
I dont like it when I think they're doing these things just to "chat me up"
I do like it as a point of simple human courtesy.
I've opened doors for men and women.
I can get my own coat, but if in a relationship I will do this for him and him for me.
I generally consider it awkward for someone to push in my chair. Maybe when I'm an old woman I'll
need help with that, but not yet.
I also say excuse me if I have to walk in front of people and block their view in a store. A lot of people
dont do that oddly enough.
it's all about manners.
Bill Hill
Feb 2 2008, 06:15 AM
If I open a door and the person says "thanks" I'd say something like "no problem.."
If the person says "YES I can open the door myself!" I'd say "Really? I sorry it's just that you looked r******ed to me"
Obviously I open doors for old people...and say something like "C'mon.... like this century..would be nice" of course, they laugh..
So, to conclude, no, I don't think chivalry and good manners are dead.
MissMelsWell
Feb 2 2008, 06:55 AM
This so funny! I had an akward thing happen at work today... it was really pretty funny though. I was in the parking garage and waiting for the elevator. When it opened, two guys were in it and they just stood there. I expected them to walk out, then I'd walk in. No, they stood there, I walked in then they walked out. I shouted out after them "Man, I thought you guys were joy riding or something!"
In short? No, it's not entirely dead, and yes, I like it when guys open doors and pull out chairs, and yes, I like it when I'm in the car with them and they let me out at the door of an establishment, go find parking, then meet me back where they dropped me off.
I'm a girl, I want to be treated like one most of the time.
Cadetak
Feb 2 2008, 08:12 AM
Although I do these things and like doing them I don't actually like the concept. I mean if both sexes partake then yes but guys opening all the doors and pulling out all the chairs is just silly gender rules.
I mean why can't a woman open a door for me or pull out my chair?
Common courtesy of course...but come on.
Darkwind
Feb 2 2008, 01:06 PM
I think when we practice good manners it is a win for society. When women complain about someone opening the door for them it is cause they were never taught good manners, because the proper thing to say is "Thank You." I think grade schools should set a little time to teach manners for kids who don't get it at home.
Quill
Feb 2 2008, 01:12 PM
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Feb 1 2008, 07:21 PM)

Do you like it when men open doors for you, do your chair, or help you with your coat.
Yes, I do. In fact I'm offended when someone doesn't.
Lilith Incarnate
Feb 2 2008, 01:47 PM
QUOTE (randym23 @ Feb 2 2008, 04:32 PM)

I dont like it when I think they're doing these things just to "chat me up"
I agree, some if not most of the guys around here will try it as if to say " i opened a door for you, i get extra brownie points" I hate that attitude... But if a guy is genuine about it then it shows me he does care and not just doing it to get extra points or because he thinks its what i want. If anything id say that romance is almost gone, its been a long while since ive seen real romance. And not all girls want the whole bed of roses and a bottle of champange either. Just a hint guys, don't follow the old cliche romance moves, if you know your girl right then you will know what to do. And dont ask her what she thinks is romantic either, cuz when you do it she will think you havent used your imagination and just dont care enough. romance needent be expensive either, sometimes it can be as simple as buying her fave scented oil and giving her a nice massage................
MoonPrincess
Feb 2 2008, 02:26 PM
It's dead. Period. I don't like it & I don't like being "saved." Because women are capable to defend theirselves.
^^;;
ohio traveler
Feb 2 2008, 03:33 PM
It's just common courtesy. I'll also hold the door open for seniors or anyone who has their hands full. Weather it be with children or shopping bags. I've had ladies hold the door open for me when my hands were full.
Bill Hill
Feb 2 2008, 03:52 PM
Seems to be... some women hate it while other women love it.... mmmh let me think..
Perhaps the compromise would be, is to half open the door..
If they look like they'd like it, then open the door fully.. if not, let the door swing back into their face.
Sporkling
Feb 2 2008, 03:53 PM
ooooook? But electronic doors are available everywhere. And why should a girl not open doors for a boy? I don't know.
Seems to be... some women hate it while other women love it.... mmmh let me think..
Perhaps the compromise would be, is to half open the door..
If they look like they'd like it, then open the door fully.. if not, let the door swing back into their face.This one's funny
QUOTE
and in case an enemy of yours is waiting inside to sucker punch you in the face when you walk in, it's the smart thing to do
Wonderful
Never_Hit_Nirvana
Feb 2 2008, 04:13 PM
It ain't dead, but it is dying.
Pretty pathetic, and selfish of the psycho-feminists who take umbrage with this sort of thing, when receiving what should be common courtesy is taken as a sign of weakness.
I found that recent article on Yahoo -- said 50% of women surveyed found men with manners 'creepy' -- especially disheartening. Read a science fiction story years ago, describing what is at first thought to be a scene in the monkey cage at a zoo. Not turns out it was just an average moment on a city street. Sad but true, that is what we are heading for.
Thanks feminists!

Just another thing we can thank ya for!
Sporkling
Feb 2 2008, 04:20 PM
lets see. Then why should guys do things for girls. Why girls cannot help the guys?
MissMelsWell
Feb 2 2008, 04:29 PM
Ugh, I dunno, most people would look at my 25 years of adult life and call me a femminist. I worked my hiney off and rose in the ranks of the corporate world, raised a kid by myself without even the benefit of child support, I own my own home that I worked for, I change the oil and brakes in my own car... however, that doesnt' mean I'm not feminine. That's what the feminist movement actually did to negatively impact women, it made a large number of women now think that anything feminine is bad.
I'm a strong, hard working, independent woman, but please, treat me like a woman--don't patronize me, but please remember your manners you manly men. I'll iron your dress shirt and clean the bathroom if you'll take out the garbage and mow the lawn. LOL.
Wolf MacCanine
Feb 2 2008, 06:00 PM
Geez...Chivalry is more than just simple polite behavior (common courtesy).And no...it's not dead yet.
It is sad to see that most believe that Chivalry is only a system of polite behavior towards women.It is so much more than that,since it also encompasses honor,bravery and gallantry...all of which can be applied to every aspect of life,as well as both males and females,friend or foe.And it really doesn't matter whether or not you're male.Chivalry can be practiced by women too.
There are some of us out there that still teach the younger ones the aspects of chivalry...and we're not going to allow it to die.
Doggirl3
Feb 2 2008, 08:49 PM
Guys if you want woman to hold the door for you just wait it'll happen. There a lot of people in this world. You never know. I'm a woman that held doors for woman & men, and still do. I sometimes say to them,"Nice people go first.," when they always say "go ahead."
It the way you make a person feel when you open doors for them.
dest_titor1
Feb 3 2008, 01:24 AM
QUOTE (MoonPrincess @ Feb 2 2008, 02:26 PM)

It's dead. Period. I don't like it & I don't like being "saved." Because women are capable to defend theirselves.
^^;;
Its not about saving women, its about being nice, and it has nothing to do with defending you either, like great grandma said Its nice to be nice (a very Grandma thing to say).
Also its traditional, reminiscent really.
(Also maybe I am unique, I like to help, talk to anybody)
DorothyGail
Feb 3 2008, 05:26 AM
If chivalry is only about men 'protecting' women, then its experienced a downward trend. But having someone, male or female, open a door for me is being polite to another human being.
Its not about me not being able to do it for myself. Of course I can open a door or pull out my own chair. I consider myself a rather stubborn and very liberated woman. Its about reaching out to assist another person, telling them with your actions that they're important.
I think it was most associated with men doing things for women, but now its a way that people let others know they matter. Its only one of many ways that people can show each other they're important, that they're significant, whether they know each or not.
Just my two cents.
Ashigaru
Feb 3 2008, 05:33 AM
Is holding/opening a door for someone really that uncommon? I always hold the door for someone if they are behind me whether I know them or not.
Ghost Ship
Feb 3 2008, 05:36 AM
I dont think women care either way. They have the attitude of it not really mattering to them when it really does but it still doesnt matter to them that much anymore IMO.
InHuman
Feb 3 2008, 05:46 AM
Being angry at someone for helping you in an average situation is VERY rude, keep that in mind..
momentarylapseofreason
Feb 3 2008, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Feb 2 2008, 05:29 PM)

Ugh, I dunno, most people would look at my 25 years of adult life and call me a femminist. I worked my hiney off and rose in the ranks of the corporate world, raised a kid by myself without even the benefit of child support, I own my own home that I worked for, I change the oil and brakes in my own car... however, that doesnt' mean I'm not feminine. That's what the feminist movement actually did to negatively impact women, it made a large number of women now think that anything feminine is bad.
I'm a strong, hard working, independent woman, but please, treat me like a woman--don't patronize me, but please remember your manners you manly men. I'll iron your dress shirt and clean the bathroom if you'll take out the garbage and mow the lawn. LOL.
tcgram
Feb 4 2008, 02:15 PM
I don't believe chivalry is dead, and I like it when someone holds a door open for me, be it male or female. I hold open doors for others as well, as I feel it's being respectful, IMO. We are also teaching our children to hold open doors and pull out chairs for one another as well as others. I love it when my hubby opens my door for me, even after 15 yrs. of marriage. And I always thank him.
Elfstone810
Feb 4 2008, 07:48 PM
I work in retail so I see both a lot of common courtesty and a *lot* of common discourtesy all the time. Personally, I always appreciate it when someone is nice to me and I always try to be nice to others.
The old notion of manly men looking after weak little women only seems to remain among the elderly, it seems to me, and that is an attitude that I often regret when I meet it, but not because it's insulting or anything. See, I work as a produce stocker and there are a lot of senior citizens in the area. I HATE it when I see an elderly man struggling with a heavy watermelon or pumpkin or sack of potatoes or something and he won't let me, a woman, help him with it. And sometimes I think that, just by offering to help, I've made him feel old or emasculated.
crtDzyn
Feb 4 2008, 08:17 PM
I hold the door for anyone, male or female... as many around me do as well. Common courtesy shows respect towards others and should never be taken forgranted. My parents raised me to always say please and thank you.
It shouldn't need to abide to any gender roles, although there are some things that guys classically do for ladies. Whether it's a good or a bad thing, that generation is fading... but the manners should never be dropped.
nativechick1989
Feb 4 2008, 08:50 PM
It's dead.
dest_titor1
Feb 5 2008, 01:29 AM
QUOTE (nativechick1989 @ Feb 4 2008, 09:50 PM)

It's dead.
why do you say that?
Maybe it just has something with ware you live.
Doggirl3
Feb 5 2008, 02:10 AM
Let say this, chivarlry is not dead, but it depends on how you was raised or brought up & where you live at. Doesn't what country state or ocean you live on.
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