ok, so you cant go back in time, and change Your timeline. but instead, you can go back and change others. therefore, if you went back to 1776, to STOP the declaration from being signed, you would go to the timeline of, 1776. not back in this time, and change the present. you would change That timelines future. not our present one.
anyone in agreement? or disagree? opinions?
http://www.health.gov.on.ca/transformation...5/timelines.gif
that timeline is just one thing i found on google. not the one i wanted. but anyways, if you wanted to go from feb 2008, to dec 2004 in that link i posted, to stop ceo recruitment. you would go to That, timeline. not back in ours. therfore changing that timelines fate.
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according to one theory multi universes.
every discussion that can be made has been made. meaning that if you went back in time to change history. you would just go to the time line where that choose has already been made.
I would assume that by using this theory the only way you could change history is by introducing a new choose thus making a new time line.
every discussion that can be made has been made. meaning that if you went back in time to change history. you would just go to the time line where that choose has already been made.
I would assume that by using this theory the only way you could change history is by introducing a new choose thus making a new time line.
QUOTE (danielost @ Feb 1 2008, 09:20 PM) 
according to one theory multi universes.
every discussion that can be made has been made. meaning that if you went back in time to change history. you would just go to the time line where that choose has already been made.
I would assume that by using this theory the only way you could change history is by introducing a new choose thus making a new time line.
every discussion that can be made has been made. meaning that if you went back in time to change history. you would just go to the time line where that choose has already been made.
I would assume that by using this theory the only way you could change history is by introducing a new choose thus making a new time line.
You'd create a paradox and one of two things will happen. If there is the multiverse where every decision or variable that could happen in the universe took on its own timeline, then your traveling back to change something is completly irrelivent because all it would do is continue down that one crossroads. Second would be that a change would cause a destructive paradox probably causing time to start going backwards and you screwed it all up! But not to worry if you did travel back in time, your atoms would probably revert to that times placement meaning that you'd disinigrate since no matter can occupy the same place at the same time.
QUOTE (Tommyo @ Feb 1 2008, 09:37 PM)
But not to worry if you did travel back in time, your atoms would probably revert to that times placement meaning that you'd disinigrate since no matter can occupy the same place at the same time.
Ho-ho! I got a good chuckle from that, Tommyo. I imagined where the molecules I'm made of would have been back in 1776 and that was interesting! Very confusing, too. I'm made of what I eat and drink. Most of what I eat was alive before I ate it. So what I eat is made of what it eats, and on and on! Life, death, decomposition, recycling the nutrients, life again....
So, now, I wouldn't want to step through a time-gate to find my molecules back where they were instead of where they should be, anymore than I would like to step through one to discover that in 1776 the earth was some 1,002,340,224,000 miles (roughly 1/6th of a light year!) around the galactic curve from where it was when I left 2008.
QUOTE (OptimisticSkeptic @ Feb 1 2008, 11:04 PM)
Ho-ho! I got a good chuckle from that, Tommyo. I imagined where the molecules I'm made of would have been back in 1776 and that was interesting! Very confusing, too. I'm made of what I eat and drink. Most of what I eat was alive before I ate it. So what I eat is made of what it eats, and on and on! Life, death, decomposition, recycling the nutrients, life again....
So, now, I wouldn't want to step through a time-gate to find my molecules back where they were instead of where they should be, anymore than I would like to step through one to discover that in 1776 the earth was some 1,002,340,224,000 miles (roughly 1/6th of a light year!) around the galactic curve from where it was when I left 2008.
So, now, I wouldn't want to step through a time-gate to find my molecules back where they were instead of where they should be, anymore than I would like to step through one to discover that in 1776 the earth was some 1,002,340,224,000 miles (roughly 1/6th of a light year!) around the galactic curve from where it was when I left 2008.
lol true on that too. You can say that that would Truely suck!
Wouldn't that depend on whether you travel back in time relative to your position in space/time or relative to your location on the planet? I mean, if you set your controls on your time machine to New York, 1776, wouldn't you go to New York in 1776, no matter where your position in space/time?
I disagree with this idea of 'changing the past' - which is what you appear to be suggesting with your 'timeline'.
What may occur IMO is a delayed reaction though - just like news in a way.
Event 'A' happens in year 'x'
Though it isn't broadcast till year 'y'.
When did event 'a' occur?
'x', 'y'...or both, but if they cancel each other out - then it may never have occurred.
If event 'a' happens at time 'x' but the reaction or impact of that occurance is limited or contained.
However if it is then released 'latter' at time 'y'.
If the event is an 'information' event - nothing 'physical' as such, just 'information' - what impact would it have?
Those in the vicinity of event 'a' may have taken all on board and moved on 'in time' - those outwith event 'a' may then adjust their lives to suit those who've reacted to event 'a' - though without realising that that is what they are doing.
If the same event is repeated again, latter - those who were originally exposed to 'a' will likely not notice - since they may be 'immune' to it, they'll ignore it.
However for those outwith event 'a' - they'll have to go through the same thing there and then that those from event 'a' had already previously done - they'll start changing as the deal with the events - however those from the original event will likely not as they've already been changed.
Okay, try this.
Group A
Group B
both reside in the same area, ie a town, however then don't see the 'group a' or 'b' as such - in this scenario they see themselves as being the 'same'
In year N - group A is exposed to 'information' in isolation from group B. Group A takes this on board and their behaviour changes accordingly.
In order for 'equilibrium' (or sorts) to be maintained - Group B behaviour will have to adapt around changes in Group A's behaviour.
ie - by acting on group 'a' - you impact (indirectly) on group 'b'.
However - its then decided at year N+10 to repeat the same process with group 'b' - group 'b' will change their outlook and group 'a' will have to change to suit.
However Group A are exposed again (for a second time) with Group 'B' being exposed for a first time.
They may react differently, group 'b' may be oblivious - or it may be affected - the same for group 'a'. Group 'a' may see changes in 'b' - 'b' may see changes in 'a' - but they may not realise they are 'being' changed - while at the same time trying to adjust around each other.
Dunno, what do you think?
What may occur IMO is a delayed reaction though - just like news in a way.
Event 'A' happens in year 'x'
Though it isn't broadcast till year 'y'.
When did event 'a' occur?
'x', 'y'...or both, but if they cancel each other out - then it may never have occurred.
If event 'a' happens at time 'x' but the reaction or impact of that occurance is limited or contained.
However if it is then released 'latter' at time 'y'.
If the event is an 'information' event - nothing 'physical' as such, just 'information' - what impact would it have?
Those in the vicinity of event 'a' may have taken all on board and moved on 'in time' - those outwith event 'a' may then adjust their lives to suit those who've reacted to event 'a' - though without realising that that is what they are doing.
If the same event is repeated again, latter - those who were originally exposed to 'a' will likely not notice - since they may be 'immune' to it, they'll ignore it.
However for those outwith event 'a' - they'll have to go through the same thing there and then that those from event 'a' had already previously done - they'll start changing as the deal with the events - however those from the original event will likely not as they've already been changed.
Okay, try this.
Group A
Group B
both reside in the same area, ie a town, however then don't see the 'group a' or 'b' as such - in this scenario they see themselves as being the 'same'
In year N - group A is exposed to 'information' in isolation from group B. Group A takes this on board and their behaviour changes accordingly.
In order for 'equilibrium' (or sorts) to be maintained - Group B behaviour will have to adapt around changes in Group A's behaviour.
ie - by acting on group 'a' - you impact (indirectly) on group 'b'.
However - its then decided at year N+10 to repeat the same process with group 'b' - group 'b' will change their outlook and group 'a' will have to change to suit.
However Group A are exposed again (for a second time) with Group 'B' being exposed for a first time.
They may react differently, group 'b' may be oblivious - or it may be affected - the same for group 'a'. Group 'a' may see changes in 'b' - 'b' may see changes in 'a' - but they may not realise they are 'being' changed - while at the same time trying to adjust around each other.
Dunno, what do you think?
QUOTE (Agent. Mulder @ Feb 2 2008, 03:07 AM)
ok, so you cant go back in time, and change Your timeline. but instead, you can go back and change others. therefore, if you went back to 1776, to STOP the declaration from being signed, you would go to the timeline of, 1776. not back in this time, and change the present. you would change That timelines future. not our present one.
anyone in agreement? or disagree? opinions?
anyone in agreement? or disagree? opinions?
If you could go back in time and change any timeline, then why can't you change your own ? Is it just because you have a unique perspective on your own experiences, that you know everything that actually happened to you, so if anything was changed, then you would somehow know it had been changed ?
You could go back in time and try to stop the signing of the declaration, but you would fail, simply because we know that it was signed. If you went back in time, you could try to do anything you wanted to, and you may succeed in some things. For example, you may be wandering around new York and see a person about to be hit by a car...You save them just in time and on your return to the present, you find out that they remember you saving them ! Simple.
In the case of your own timeline, a change would have to be much more subtle, because you have to change something in a way that you do not know it has been changed....
Let's see... well, I don't know about you guys reading this, but I can't remember what I did 78 days before my 12th birthday. Come to that, I can't remember what I did on most of the days of my youth !!!! There's an opening for me to make a change. And would I, at the age of 14, recognise myself at the age of 45 ? And would I, at the age of 76, think that it would be a pretty good idea not to give myself a cardiac arrest, or get myself locked up for lunacy at the age of 45 by appearing to myself and saying 'Hi, I'm from the future !!' and so wear a disguise ? I think all of those are pretty subtle !!
AJ
QUOTE (seffy @ Feb 2 2008, 10:57 PM)
Wouldn't that depend on whether you travel back in time relative to your position in space/time or relative to your location on the planet? I mean, if you set your controls on your time machine to New York, 1776, wouldn't you go to New York in 1776, no matter where your position in space/time?
Just another thing that's annoying about timelines.... If, on 4th Feb 2008, you went back in time to see Shakespeare in 1600, and got on so well you stayed for a year to study his work, on your return to the present, (because you are travelling in time and your timeline is personally your own), when you got back on 4th Feb 2008, you would have aged a year and all your colleagues in the lab wouldn't have !!!
And that would happen everytime you went back or forward ... It's a time travel machine after all, not an eternal life machine....Damn !!!
AJ
Edit : making the grammar better... soz.
QUOTE (CarrionFlyer @ Feb 4 2008, 01:05 AM)
Just another thing that's annoying about timelines.... If, on 4th Feb 2008, you went back in time to see Shakespeare in 1600, and got on so well you stayed for a year to study his work, on your return to the present, (because you are travelling in time and your timeline is personally your own), when you got back on 4th Feb 2008, you would have aged a year and all your colleagues in the lab wouldn't have !!!
And that would happen everytime you went back or forward ... It's a time travel machine after all, not an eternal life machine....Damn !!!
AJ
Edit : making the grammar better... soz.
And that would happen everytime you went back or forward ... It's a time travel machine after all, not an eternal life machine....Damn !!!
AJ
Edit : making the grammar better... soz.
I agree fully. But i think that we all here no that timetravel; is based around einsteins theory of relativity: E=MC2 (energy = mass X speed of light squared) I think that we all also no that Physicists take for granted that if one were to move away from the Earth at relativistic velocities and return, more time would have passed on Earth than for the traveler.
So in this sense it is accepted that relativity allows "travel into the future" (although according to relativity there is no single objective answer to how much time has 'really' passed between the departure and the return).
On the other hand, many in the scientific community believe that backwards time travel is highly unlikely.
Any theory which would allow time travel would require that issues of causality be resolved. For example, what if one were to go back in time and kill one's own grandfather before one's father was conceived? (the Grandfather Paradox)
The paradox is this: suppose a man traveled back in time and killed his biological grandfather before the latter met the traveller's grandmother. As a result, one of the traveller's parents (and by extension, the traveller himself) would never have been conceived.
This would imply that he could not have travelled back in time after all, which in turn implies the grandfather would still be alive, and the traveller would have been conceived, allowing him to travel back in time and kill his grandfather. Thus each possibility seems to imply its own negation, a type of logical paradox.
Stephen Hawking once suggested that the absence of tourists from the future constitutes an argument against the existence of time travel—a variant of the Fermi paradox. Of course this would not prove that time travel is physically impossible, since it might be that time travel is physically possible but that it is never in fact developed (or was cautiously never used)
And even if it is developed, Hawking notes elsewhere that time travel might only be possible in a region of spacetime that is warped in the right way, and that if we cannot create such a region until the future, then time travelers would not be able to travel back before that date, so "This picture would explain why we haven't been over run by tourists from the future."
From my experience with time travel it is all about multiverses when traveling to the past, or an unlimited amount of parallel universes and dimensions spread through existence, and "time travel" is in reality traveling between these different parallel universes (or timelines as some like to call it)
Physical time travel to the future is possible and has no paradoxes as far I can see, and I am pretty sure I read in some scientific magazine that the theory has been proven in regards of time moving slower for someone at great speed than someone still on earth. They synchronized some clocks and had one aboard a high speed jet plane or something like that and one on the ground and when returning and checking there was a slight distortion between the two times. At least that's how I remember it, I may be wrong as I don't have any source right now and it's been many years since I read about it.
In this kind of time travel it is not about jumping between parallel universes though as it relates to time and velocity in a way that is out of my scope to understand how functions
Going back in time though, I don't even know if is possible physically, but if it is it most certainly must have to be by jumping on waves to other parallel universes and that also resolves all paradoxes such as the "grandfather paradox" etc.
At least that's how I see it from my own experiences with time travel both astrally and physically. From these experiences I know that parallel universes exists as I've traveled to them and met myself and once took over (possessed) the body of a parallel version of myself and managed to stay there for three days. That's a long story though, I have written about it somewhere on my blogs at http://mindsvision.blogspot.net and probably somewhere on this forum as well.
What is for sure though is that the most easy and currently only available method of time travel (at least that I know of) is astral time travel, except for a few cases where you may find yourself sent through time through some sort of vortex or energy field which I don't know how really works but I have experienced it once with a friend of mine on a mountain. I've also read about other peoples similar experiences which backs up the validity of me and my friends experience as it was similar to those other reports. These vortexes seem to just send you anywhere though and I have no idea if it is possible to control it or how that would be done. So if you wanna stay on the safe side try the astral approach and dont jump straight into the bermuda triangle
Peace-
-EA
Physical time travel to the future is possible and has no paradoxes as far I can see, and I am pretty sure I read in some scientific magazine that the theory has been proven in regards of time moving slower for someone at great speed than someone still on earth. They synchronized some clocks and had one aboard a high speed jet plane or something like that and one on the ground and when returning and checking there was a slight distortion between the two times. At least that's how I remember it, I may be wrong as I don't have any source right now and it's been many years since I read about it.
In this kind of time travel it is not about jumping between parallel universes though as it relates to time and velocity in a way that is out of my scope to understand how functions
Going back in time though, I don't even know if is possible physically, but if it is it most certainly must have to be by jumping on waves to other parallel universes and that also resolves all paradoxes such as the "grandfather paradox" etc.
At least that's how I see it from my own experiences with time travel both astrally and physically. From these experiences I know that parallel universes exists as I've traveled to them and met myself and once took over (possessed) the body of a parallel version of myself and managed to stay there for three days. That's a long story though, I have written about it somewhere on my blogs at http://mindsvision.blogspot.net and probably somewhere on this forum as well.
What is for sure though is that the most easy and currently only available method of time travel (at least that I know of) is astral time travel, except for a few cases where you may find yourself sent through time through some sort of vortex or energy field which I don't know how really works but I have experienced it once with a friend of mine on a mountain. I've also read about other peoples similar experiences which backs up the validity of me and my friends experience as it was similar to those other reports. These vortexes seem to just send you anywhere though and I have no idea if it is possible to control it or how that would be done. So if you wanna stay on the safe side try the astral approach and dont jump straight into the bermuda triangle
Peace-
-EA
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