This in no way even talks about the Mayan Calendar or their prophecies, this comes from a different source. Funny how something else pops up about 2012 also & this comes from a different source. The article states that Aliens will reveal themselves to us when the world is in total chaos and they will save us from our ignorance. Read the article.. It sounds crazy but still interesting nonetheless. I hope something like this will happen, I'm really tired of the state of the world and it's time for a change!

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1178

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/12-26-04.asp

Maybe this is what the Mayans were saying about a "Golden Age"... a new shift will occur, in-terms of technology, spirituality, and science. I believe that ETs are and have been here, and I believe that they are not hostile... I believe that they are here to help us, so that we do not destroy ourselves.

In order for a species to even begin interstellar travel, they would first have to abolish war. They would obviously know that we are all part of a greater whole, and what effects one will effect all. Not to mention war tears civilizations apart, imagine what would be possible if there was a united world where everybody shared their dreams. I don't understand why people automatically assume that aliens will flock here to kill us. It doesn't make sense for a space faring species to be that "stupid".

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I think it's quite possible that Aliens have been secretly helping and watching us since the beginning of time. I think the Egyptians,Incas,Mayans & so many other cultures had contact with them in the past.. That's possibly how the Mayans predicted for what's to come in 2012. I think Aliens (IF THEY'RE REAL) have helped us over the years.. Unfortunately since a lot of us are scared to think about this possibility, we tend to ignore it by saying it's ridiculous. The world is a mysterious place and I advise everyone to at least have an open mind about life.There are things greater than us we can't explain. We have been made to believe that Aliens are not real and that we're the only living beings in this BIG GIGANTIC universe. It may seem silly but the truth is... ANYTHING is possible. We've just been conditioned to think otherwise that nothing is real. Funny how the media portrays aliens or the thought of them as SILLY.. There are dozens of movies and cartoons that talk about them.. It's almost like they're trying to brainwash us into believing that they don't exist. I think the government is trying to hide them from us because they would totally lose their power over us if we ever found out that they're beings greater than all of us.

Aliens and UFO's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX4xFb7yuk8

^^^The first part was good until 5:26... From there it got a little corny with the fake alien talking LOL!

The Mayan Calendar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhTjrQSfWCs

The Mayan and the Inca God Connection
http://www.netscientia.com/mayan_inca.html

UFO's in ancient painting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcrzD0PfyPs

Interesting article on The Nature of Alien Intentions..
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowland.../abduct041.html

John Jenkins 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN6taNay6Kg

Unsolved Mysteries Segment.. UFO - Rendlesham Sighting - Part 1 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1exYc2EWDk

UFO - Rendlesham Sighting - Part 2 of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMyT-v7g6q4...feature=related

Type in things about Ancient astronauts...

I'm surprised there's not much more of a discussion over this. I think it's interesting... well I guess we'll all have to wait in 2012 to see what could possibly happen... In the meantime we can talk and discuss.

another interesting source for prophecies is the bible code, comes up with hundreds of'em! lol

On December 22 2012 I will bump up as many of these ridiculous threads as I can just to prove that you were wrong all along.

Ok.. that sounds very immature! Ok if nothing happens it's fine but to go and do that makes you look dumb. Why throw it in people's face like that? Also what kills me is why do NON Believers of UFOs and Aliens bother to be on this forum in the first place if they feel so strongly that the existence of Aliens are ridiculous?

However you have a right to your opinions as we all have different opinions. If you don't like the 2012 stuff don't comment and just ignore.. simple as that. Sometimes you just have to handle things in a more mature manner. If you see a thread about 2012.. skip over it if you're that annoyed by it... LOL..

None of the "non-believers" (the empiricists among us...who don't actually believe, but prefer knowledge above belief) feel that the existence of aliens is a ridiculous notion. Indeed, most of us, I would venture to say, feel it's entirely probable, perhaps overwhelmingly so, that aliens must exist!


You don't seem to get it.

The problem is alien intervention in human affairs, and aliens even being here around our planet and among us!
There is, and never has been any evidence at all of this idea...which the "believers" hold fast to.

There's a subtle, yet profoundly significant difference between the two positions.

I agree all these 2012 nuts here will be shown yet again that prophecy simply never works.... Remember Y2K?

Don't act like you holier than thou... If the believers in 2012 are right then you can rub it in our faces.

Ok, let me ask you a question. What sort of evidence would you expect an alien race to leave behind? Would you even know what to look for? It similar to looking at a Where's Waldo book, and not even knowing what Waldo looks like. List your expected evidence PLZ!

The state of the world as a whole and the affairs of peoples lives are worlds apart it seems to me. If one lives a happy life then a sympathetic caring attitude by them is shown to the outer worlds probloms. If peoples lives are moderate then they are more likely to want an intervention of sorts from elsewere to improve the state of the world as a whole and so in turn somehow improve that persons life. If a persons life just plain sucks, then most likely they are clutching unto their telescopes and sci-fi books each night desperately wanting something to happen.

My life is moderate and yes i wouldnt mind an intervention by benevolent aliens, but if i was happy with my life i dont think aliens would come across my mind very much in the sence of wanting an invasion. As for the world as a whole it is my opinion that it couldnt be much better then it is because of human nature and despite all the doom and gloom and the forcasts of doom and gloom things are steadely improving for people of Earth.

Unexplained Mysteries Community Discussion Forums. So one would think then, with a title like that, all points of view are welcome (as long as they stay within the guidlines). It kills me that this is often the final cheap shot in the believer's argument, when debating the unexplained with the skeptical. I could see such a line having some meaning on a 'strictly for believers only forum'...

And this humans will be saved by aliens doomsday thing isn't really that new. It was a central theme to the 'nordic type' visitations. Either by warning us against nuclear weapons, or later 'defending us' from troods or greys.

Turn of the century doomsday prophecies are nothing new. The mayan calender doomsday one has been round the blocks more times than I care to remember. As long as there's no mass or other suicides involved, believe what you want

Ever hear of "ignorance is bliss"? Are you sure you are interpreting things in the correct order? Perhaps the fact that people anticipate an intervention by extra terrestrials is the reason they are "sad and their life sucks"? When people don't know things, they are happier and...well...don't think about anything beyond the surface.

It says the ET's are watching us every step of the way. Could that be why in some of those 9-11 videos, there are some unidentified things moving around in the sky above the buildings? Were the ET's there and watching us?

Cool predictions though! I like this better than the Mayan prophecy, about the world coming to an end. I've always thought that the time when ET's finally make open contact with us would be in a time when the world was going crazy and is in need of help. I just may be right!

Well, I was hoping there would be some quote about the Germans in the Nazi regime who "imported" Buddhist priests who were supposed to help them with their "Reich"'s success, and I don't know enough about it, but the story was that they ended up commiting suicide as the Allies marched on Germany. Hard to tell fact from rumor about this. Maybe someone knows if there is any truth to the story. We're told the Nazis had many expiditions into Tibet, archaelogical expiditions and searches for documents about various things, including stories about "vimanas" or "saucers" or cities buried in the Gobi. What's true about any of this? It also seems, if there was some proficiency in "remote" viewing amongst these Lamas, they would have had their ducks in a row before they had to undergo the abominations done to them by the Chinese. There is a literature about their future and the revelations of "Shambala" and how the world will seek out the "king of the world" who's seat is in Shambala, and these rulers will think they rule alongside of that "king of the world", but eventually, they will be ashamed because this King will renounce their values. So many different ways to interpret this prophecy, and of course, we are told "remote viewers" can't determine where they are in "time". For me, this is a really bad thing to hope for, salvation by space people or help from some outside source. How about this: try writing a letter? Write the Dalai Lama and ask him about this? How about writing your elected reps, and asking them to stop funding war or mercenaries funded by US tax dollars in Iraq, and elsewhere. Kennedy said elected people are intimidated by "letter writers" (read his book: Profiles in Courage). Sometimes raising your consciousness is a matter of just doing something, simple though it is, and doesn't require anything grand. Action. You can think about that sandwhich in your fridge all day, but if you don't get up and go get it, you might spend a hungry night. Unless you switch over to prana in toto, become a breatharian. Think the world whole, and it is. That is what Vashishtha Yoga advocates. You might be closer to the truth than you realize.

Because people are too busy saying "anything is possible" to think logically. After this event doesn't happen I'll be able to remind you all that the idea was ridiculous to begin with, and maybe you'll remember to pay attention and think realistically by the time the next doomsday theory comes around.



I'm not annoyed, just amazed that people can get sucked in by this stuff so much.

If I'm wrong, I'll do your share of the mining when the alien overlords return and force us in to slavery.

That's cool Raptor.. sorry if I seemed to be lashing out on you in the last post. I'm just curious as to why you would think an idea like this would be ridiculous?I mean stranger things have happened in the world. I think it's a little naive for us to rule things out,simply just because it doesn't fit our everyday logic.. I mean hey, we once thought that the world was flat until someone proved everyone wrong. Just keep an open mind is all I'm saying .


“The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about”

You dont understand, if people keep bringing this 2012 stuff up it's going to turn into a self fulfilling prophecy. I hear more about it than I heard about y2k.

Because matey, this is a forum for debate. If it was a forum just for believers it would be called 'the fantasy forum', or the 'I believe any old stupid idea that some idiot has posted on the internet' forum. Just think of the depths of delusion this forum would plummet to if there was nobody on here who had their head firmly in the real world.

I can't really blame the monk, I'm always losing the remote control for the telly....
No?

Sure, it may be possible that aliens will save us in 2012, but there's no evidence to support the idea, and so no reason to believe it. Believe it or not I am open minded, but I just need that vital evidence.



There's more going on here than just talk about aliens, there are forums for science, politics, religion, video games, movies etc.

Welcome to the forum btw.

EDIT: Nevermind that, you joined the forum before me!

Personally I welcome anyone's opinions on the subject, it is a subject worth debating. However I'm fascinated with the idea that something may happen that we can't even grasp.. I mean is it possible that we're not as smart as we think we are and that there are possibly things out there we can't explain? People always seem to take things that are not considered the norm as a joke. This reminds me of the story of Noah in the bible.. Everyone laughed and made a fool of him in the beginning but in the end it was another story.

Well, I for one, am going to spend all of 2012 hiding under my kitchen sink with my aluminum foil cap on! While I am open to the idea of aliens, I have my doubts about thier origins. I really do not feel they would want to help us, and I don't think they are going to be popping in for tea in 2012. But if they do, I will certainly do my best to avoid them.

Just a reminder to all who think the world's gonna end in a specific day.. Don't kill yourself the day before it happens please..

This 2012 stuff is worrying. Does this 2012 stuff keep popping up because it's fiction based off the mayans or is it popping up because it's actually true. Is this part of the new world order? is this the end of the world. Are the people who will die going to heaven and the people who go with the aliens go to hell?? I don't know. All I can do is be loving, caring and physically and mentally ready as possible. This 2012 stuff may seen like completly illogical and stupit but it really isen't. Whats more amazing to concider... empathetic aliens coming down to save us from the planets phase of turmoil or business's selling addictive products deicieving through advertising, making people fat and killing them which makes them millions of money which isen't worth anything when there is no resources left. How the fu** can we do this to our planet???? You tell a business to stop and they keep doing it. It isen't really the money's fault it's the people's idea that the money is valuable when it isen't. We are the valuable ones not the gold or the money. If I saw thousands of gold bars infront of me and I had the chance to steel three and i could get away with it easily I wouldn't steel it. It's just a rock. What is happening today is more amazing then any ghost or alien race. We are just conditioned and are use to todays events.

Why don't the goverment try and tell the "enemies" that aliens are coming and that we shoudl join up. there wouldn't be no wars then.

If you look around there's a lot of issues in the world and what's got me so worried is this is all being ignored.. I think something is happening and soon.. Look at some of these things.. It's time to stop shrugging things off and read and learn about things yourself! I'm being real... These are things to take into consideration... I think there are signs all around us about something happening and it's being ignored. Just by me reading and learning different things.. I think these next couple of years will be VERY interesting and scary at the same time.

New World Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo

Most of the Bee's suddenly dying and how it can effect us...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...07beesdying.htm

U.S. GOVT. TORCHES CALIFORNIA TO COVER-UP NEW LAW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxEiOrqNHHs

AMERICANS JUST WANT TO HAVE FUN!! - IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFNAEYQkD3s

^^^
Notice at 4:40 in the above clip ... 2003 - 2012 Endgame, Office of Detention and Removal Strategic plan . Detention and Removal strategy of a secure homeland!


NOTICE HOW MOST PEOPLE act annoyed and don't even care that this law was passed.. Very disturbing..





I don't know what's going on but certainly something is going down in the future.

There isn't a single interstellar society in this galaxy that isn't involved in war.

When a remote viewer looks into the future, they're seeing someone else's idea of the future, so it'll change depending on the source. If a set of humanoids plans to kill everyone on the planet, they can portray themselves as future saviors and move in on a welcoming humanity. It's been done before.

Star Trek episodes don't count, I'm afraid.

Holy balls!!!

Do you think if aliens ever even came here that you'd even know about it?

yah they will save us from 2nd coming of jeeeeeeeezzzussssssss.....

So they just allow absolutely anyone to join this board?

I hope you have proof that every race in the universe is at war. Look at the human race, we've been clamoring to kill each other for only several thousand years now, we have the power to destroy every living thing on this planet with a push of a button. Do you think any race like this would last very long? Long enough to explore the galaxy and colonize other planets? Peace is born from intelligence, war is born from stupidity.

That sure is a feel good post but not true.
Humans are a predator. The top predator on this planet.
We've earned our spot over millenia's of fighting for our existance. Now we are starting to get better and higher thought process of getting along slowly as it is. But we might very well have this trait in our genes forever. Whats to say that the same senerio does not play out on another planet. I am of the belief that if aliens do exist that they are much more likely not to be friendly than to be friendly. Maybe not kill us, but use us, enslave us or extort us. But all we really know is what we have learned on this planet since this is the only place that life exists as far as we know. Just wanted to throw my two bits in.

In 755 AD, Mayan Priests prophesied that the total solar eclipse of July 11, 1991 would herald two life altering events for humankind - Cosmic Awareness and Earth Changes. Shortly after 1:00 PM, on July 11, 1991, the prophecy seemingly began to unfold.
Beneath the eclipse that the Maya had labeled 'The Sixth Sun', a silvery disc shaped object hovered silently above Mexico City. 17 people, unknown to each other, in different locations of Mexico City, videotaped the UFO.

video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fBR7xjp4Rs

Could have just said 'yes'

Being an electronics engineer, my take on the millenium crash was that it simply wasn't going to happen, more than changing from 1999 to 2000. Nothing more than hysteria at the time. People less involved, all around me, did such silly crap as pull money out of stocks and so on; it was good for me, because I bought low and sold at nice profits a few days later.

I hold a slightly different view of 2012. While Tibetans may have unique abilities, I fail to comprehend how anyone, regardless of accomplishments, is able to predict a volatile future. Virtually all prophets have conceded that future events are impossible to correctly predict ("unless humankind changes its ways, such and such will happen"), and I don't believe in a fixed future, I'll look at 2012 as an unknown. From what I get from the archaeologists, the theory is that the date is a change, no more, no less, that may herald a different world. Since we don't, nor can we, actually get inside the minds of the Mayans, we cannot say what exactly was in those minds. That may partially be due to the inconsiderate actions of both Europeans' egotism and the "correctness" of the church in destroying American artifacts. All hail the science of the time and the beliefs of the church.

Being my age, whatever happens, happens. It will be interesting, assuming I'm still alive (made it this far, another five years isn't out of the question). If all hell breaks loose, I get to see it (again!); if not, I'll just tend my veggies and chuckle a bit.

Heh...

oh I don't know.. monks predicting the future? I'm mostly on the skeptic side of things because most things are explainable.. but.. I don't believe much in predicitons, and when the mayans and the ancient races predicted the end of the world, or the new age in 2012 they did it cause they went through it every 3000 years, and every 3000 years it must happen.. and it's logical.. I guess I'll just stick to that till more proof on these monks is given to my hands..

Cronus,i think,you dont read other threads,just yours.I typed in my last thread,that mayans predicted solar eclipse already.You think,they gonna be wrong about 2012.What people still dont understand that all these ancient races and extraterrestials were highly developed.They had knowledge about space and time and technology,that you would never think of.Extraterrestials lived on earth before,thousands of years ago,maybe hundreds.They are good and bad races,and those good races wanna protect us from bad races.They know more about earth and about us,they you think.They mastered timne travel,levitation,telepathy,and much more.This is why ,they are spiritual beings.I hope ,that something will happen in 2012,and so tehy can come and do something.No more wars,guns,and other bulls.

That's a pretty cool link!!

I think it's very possible that the Mayans were in contact with Alien beings.. that's probably how the Mayans were able to predict things that would happen in the future.. I find it a little odd that Monks would have a prediction of something happening in 2012 also. Keep in mind now that the Mayan 2012 prophecy is in no relations to what the Monks are saying. I'm not even sure if the Monks even know about the Mayan prophecies... It's all very interesting!

I believe we've been contacted by Aliens in the past and religion and various other things originate from them... Check these videos.. they are very interesting. Of course people will be afraid and say that people were drawing other things in these videos...

Here's other things and links to ponder...

UFO's in Ancient Art
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmWk9ttLX3I...feature=related


Ancient UFO paintings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZ2xve0zzI...feature=related

UFO's in Jesus crucification Painting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcrzD0PfyPs
^^^ check 00:40

Nazca Lines... The lines that can only be seen from the sky!!
http://www.unmuseum.org/nazca.htm

I think ancient cultures and various religions have been influenced by them!!!

I'm learning new stuff everyday... It's time to stop shrugging things off because they are no considered normal. I'm taking this Alien theory into consideration. Even though there is not 100% proof of something happening in 2012 or aliens for the matter.. It's still something to think about!

Surprised no one commented on these..... Very interesting that the possibility of these things CAN happening and no one seems the least bit concerned. Speaking as it sorta ties in with what we're talking about with 2012.


Another interesting thing I wanted to point out.. May have little significance or not. I found it interesting...

In the bible in Revelations 20:12

"And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds."

If you take the : out between the 20 & 12... You get 2012.

http://www.biblemeanings.info/Bible/Revela.../ch20,v12-m.htm

Not sure about that but still interesting nonetheless.. Surprised not more people are talking..

Good on you!! Just remember to consider all these things reasonably, not necessarily logically. Many times logic will get in the way of truth.

It is also wise to consider, and perhaps learn, some of the more ancient philosophies in an attempt to understand what may or may not have happened. In some of those philosophies, it has been said that all things exist at once, there is no "time" as time is merely a reference point. According to some, it is possible to shift from one reality to another, one time to another (maybe), and certainly to shift around in this reality. While these are not considered by anthropology/archaeology, they well be valid nonetheless. What must be considered when dealing with these things in reference to our modern studies of them is that we tend to place those people within our ideas, and in my own layman studies, "it ain't necessarily so"; and that comes from the descendants of the people studied, not from our "experts". I deem it reasonable to consider the local legends and those natives familiar with them as a valid part of studying the ancient civilizations.
As a quickie for instance, it is claimed by certain Southwest Indians that walking Indian file will cause (eventually) a shift in perception. It may be difficult to find someone to perform the lead function, but if you can, give it a try. The process is this: you, as a follower, will attempt to place your feet in the prints of the person in front of you. That is your entire function, your only function. One could, in some remote sense, consider this as self hypnosis, but it isn't; the function is to fill your senses with one thing, and one thing only. In doing so, your perceptions change (after a lot of practice), and the world around becomes a little different place. In effect, you flood your senses with one activity, and thereby cease to describe the world to yourself. So, it might be more accurate to state that this is more of a form of meditation, rather than hypnosis. One thing is guaranteed: when you succeed in stopping the description (called "stopping the world") and look around you, your world will never be quite the same. In short, the world is not what you think it is now, and that understanding comes with the success of stopping the world. This is the simplest method I've encountered. Give it a try. You could even follow your own tracks.

Yes, you said it well on this planet.

Do you really think any race could last that long to explore other galaxies and the mysteries of gravity and time and not develop some kind of maturity that they would not kill each other any more? Pretty implausible.



Yes.

Hei Marcus,
I'm thinking as well that something is going to happen soon, something big, but it doesn't have to be something bad at all. I'm really surprised when I look at the answers here how much people are open to accept panic and angst. Hei, we still live in a world with lots of injustice, there HAS to happen something to throw all of this sh** overboard. Maybe it will look chaotic at first sight but the outcome will be positive.

My 2 cents about 2012:

This is a metaphor for a time of transition and great change. Of evolution of the human race. In my opinion there is nothing going to happen in this particular year, it just means a time of change in which we are already in. The aliens are not going to interfere in our matter, they are just observing us, we have to become mature for ourselves.

I don't think anything bad is going to happen either. I think a great change will happen that will help mankind for the better. Quite frankly I'm quite saddened by the state of the world.. I'm just hoping for some grand miracle to happen where we all can finally live in peace and harmony.

I also feel we humans have lost something precious and important & it has been lost for centuries... I can't put my finger on it but we're missing something. I also feel life is not what it seems and there's things out there that not even us can't explain.

No I don't think so based upon observing the life on this planet, it seems that predators have a innate desire for exploration. Aggression is not a bad thing, its our nature and the nature of nature. To think that the universe is not inherintly agressive is being nieve. So based on this, I would have to think that if there is life out there it would be in some way aggressive. It would just depend on to what degree.

Most predators in nature are either loners, or live in small isolated families. Humans no longer do anything of the sort, and yet agression and territorialism still exist. There's almost no way a species can cooperate at such an epic scale, unless they overcome natural tendencies to hoard and conquer.

The Mayans believed the universal processes, like the 'breathing' of the galaxy, are cycles that never change. What changes is the consciousness of man that passes through it. Always in a process toward more perfection. Based on their observations, the Mayans predicted that from the initial date of the start of their civilization, 4 Ahau, 8 Cumku which is 3113 B.C., after one cycle being completed 5,125 years in their future, December 21st, 2012. The Sun, having received a powerful ray of synchronizing light from the center of the galaxy, would change its polarity which would produce a great cosmic event that would propel human kind to be ready to cross into a new era, The Golden Age. It is after this, that the Mayans say we will be ready to go through the door that was left by them, transforming our civilization based on fear to a vibration much higher in harmony. The Mayans say, that seven years after the start of Katún, which is to say 1999, we would enter a time of darkness which would force us to confront our own conduct. The say that this is the time when mankind will enter 'The Sacred Hall of Mirrors'. Where we will look at ourselves and analyze our behaviors with ourselves, with others, with nature and with the planet in which we live. A time in which all of humanity, by individual conscious decisions, decides to change and eliminate fear and lack of respect from all of our relationships. The Mayans prophesied that the start of this period would be marked by a solar eclipse on August 11, 1999, known to them as 13 Ahau, 8 Cauac. And would coincide with an unprecedented planetary alignment, the 'Grand Cross' alignment. This would be the last 13 years of the Katón period. The last opportunity for our civilization to realize the changes that are coming at the moment of our spiritual regeneration.