Full Version: OZONE layer/ GLOBAL warming
What ever happened to the depleting Ozone Layer? I remeber back in elementary school, my teachers used to talk about the Ozone all the time. When Global warming kicked in, the whole world seems to have forgotten about the Ozone. Maybe global warming is more of a threat than UV Rays? Just wondering, people?
I don't know too much about it, except for that ozone levels are becoming stabilized and are predicted to (already have?) begin increasing. The Antarctic ozone hole is expected to close by around 2070.
Ah, well, this is the liberal establishment for you.
You see, the embarresing fact is that - back in the 1990's, Ozone was Everyone's Friend, and needed Protecting.
It has now come to light that Ozone is actually a Greenhouse Gas, and is therefore the work of the devil.
Hence the Ecoliberalmarxist tendency is in a bit of a dither as to wether to produce more Ozone, or to make possession of Ozone illegal. So they keep quiet about it and hope that nobody notices.
Hope that helps.
Meow Purr
You see, the embarresing fact is that - back in the 1990's, Ozone was Everyone's Friend, and needed Protecting.
It has now come to light that Ozone is actually a Greenhouse Gas, and is therefore the work of the devil.
Hence the Ecoliberalmarxist tendency is in a bit of a dither as to wether to produce more Ozone, or to make possession of Ozone illegal. So they keep quiet about it and hope that nobody notices.
Hope that helps.
Meow Purr
QUOTE (ships-cat @ Feb 3 2008, 04:42 PM) 
Ah, well, this is the liberal establishment for you.
You see, the embarresing fact is that - back in the 1990's, Ozone was Everyone's Friend, and needed Protecting.
It has now come to light that Ozone is actually a Greenhouse Gas, and is therefore the work of the devil.
Hence the Ecoliberalmarxist tendency is in a bit of a dither as to wether to produce more Ozone, or to make possession of Ozone illegal. So they keep quiet about it and hope that nobody notices.
Hope that helps.
Meow Purr
You see, the embarresing fact is that - back in the 1990's, Ozone was Everyone's Friend, and needed Protecting.
It has now come to light that Ozone is actually a Greenhouse Gas, and is therefore the work of the devil.
Hence the Ecoliberalmarxist tendency is in a bit of a dither as to wether to produce more Ozone, or to make possession of Ozone illegal. So they keep quiet about it and hope that nobody notices.
Hope that helps.
Meow Purr
Or it could be a reduction in the use of CFC's.
This is just chemistry, simply chemistry Ozone is important, but obviously too much is bad.
But hey you jump to conclusions and ignore basic chemistry if you wish.
WTF does marxism have to do with this? Seriously?
The reduction of CFC aerosols has allowed the ozone layer to be replenished. Not completely yet, but will be in a few years.
This is ecological imperitives in action and should be applauded.
It gives us hope that if the same rules are applied to CO2 and methane emissions, that we can actually reduce some of the worst effects of human induced GW. We cant do much about natural GW, but we dont need to accelerate the effects.
This is ecological imperitives in action and should be applauded.
It gives us hope that if the same rules are applied to CO2 and methane emissions, that we can actually reduce some of the worst effects of human induced GW. We cant do much about natural GW, but we dont need to accelerate the effects.
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Feb 3 2008, 08:47 PM)
Or it could be a reduction in the use of CFC's.
This is just chemistry, simply chemistry Ozone is important, but obviously too much is bad.
This is just chemistry, simply chemistry Ozone is important, but obviously too much is bad.
Soooo... in terms of Chemsitry, why is "too much" bad ? What is it bad for ? Snails ? Tortoises ? Acne ? Where is the "simple chemistry" here ? Post some links. I would suggest you CAN'T, simply because the scientists don't know. Do you REMEMBER the 1970's/1980's, when the "official" scientists where warning us about Global Cooling due to particulates in the atmosphere, and the "Ozone Holes" where a lead indicator of the problem ? We don't hear much about that these days, do we ? Thing is, we havn't reduced CFC's THAT much... and... oh gosh.. suddenly.. it's Global Warming. Oh... and Ozone is a greenhouse gas.
Do you believe EVERYTHING that governnment employed scientists say on the news ?
QUOTE (Mattshark @ Feb 3 2008, 08:47 PM)
But hey you jump to conclusions and ignore basic chemistry if you wish.
WTF does marxism have to do with this? Seriously?
WTF does marxism have to do with this? Seriously?
Seriously ? Who do you think organises the anti-capitalism protests at G7 meetings, operating under the "environmental" banner ? Who finances it ?
QUOTE (keithisco @ Feb 3 2008, 09:08 PM)
The reduction of CFC aerosols has allowed the ozone layer to be replenished. Not completely yet, but will be in a few years.
This is ecological imperitives in action and should be applauded.
It gives us hope that if the same rules are applied to CO2 and methane emissions, that we can actually reduce some of the worst effects of human induced GW. We cant do much about natural GW, but we dont need to accelerate the effects.
This is ecological imperitives in action and should be applauded.
It gives us hope that if the same rules are applied to CO2 and methane emissions, that we can actually reduce some of the worst effects of human induced GW. We cant do much about natural GW, but we dont need to accelerate the effects.
Sheesh.. make your mind up.
Are you in favour of Ozone (a greenhouse gas)
Or not ?
"it gives us hope that if the same rules are applied to CO2".... Come on... do you want to REDUCE it, or INCREASE it ? Make your minds up. You can't have it both ways. If you want to reduce greenhouse gasses, then you are AGAINST Ozone, and you DELIGHT in the "Ozone holes".
Meow Purr.
To simply put it for you, cat...
There has to be a balance. Not enough Ozone, and we'll be baked by the UV rays from our sun. Not a good thing. To much Ozone, and we'll have the climate change that we're currently seeing. The earth will bake in it's own thermal heat. If there is a healthy balance of Ozone, the right amount of thermal heat can escape as well as keeping the UV radiation in check and not being let in huge amounts.
In other words, yes, to much is bad, just as to little is bad. Nature works in a balance... and humans do have a way of tipping the balance.
Marxist whatever, libral or conservitive trite that people like to tout has nothing to do with it. It is just simple chemistry and science.
Librals see the problem, and overplay it and go into hysterics. Conservitives see the problem and overly downplays it to the point of denial. While the rest of us who lend to neither side will see the problem and actually try to do something about it.
There has to be a balance. Not enough Ozone, and we'll be baked by the UV rays from our sun. Not a good thing. To much Ozone, and we'll have the climate change that we're currently seeing. The earth will bake in it's own thermal heat. If there is a healthy balance of Ozone, the right amount of thermal heat can escape as well as keeping the UV radiation in check and not being let in huge amounts.
In other words, yes, to much is bad, just as to little is bad. Nature works in a balance... and humans do have a way of tipping the balance.
Marxist whatever, libral or conservitive trite that people like to tout has nothing to do with it. It is just simple chemistry and science.
Librals see the problem, and overplay it and go into hysterics. Conservitives see the problem and overly downplays it to the point of denial. While the rest of us who lend to neither side will see the problem and actually try to do something about it.
QUOTE (SilverCougar @ Feb 4 2008, 07:02 PM)
To simply put it for you, cat...
There has to be a balance. Not enough Ozone, and we'll be baked by the UV rays from our sun. Not a good thing. To much Ozone, and we'll have the climate change that we're currently seeing. The earth will bake in it's own thermal heat. If there is a healthy balance of Ozone, the right amount of thermal heat can escape as well as keeping the UV radiation in check and not being let in huge amounts.
In other words, yes, to much is bad, just as to little is bad. Nature works in a balance... and humans do have a way of tipping the balance.
Marxist whatever, libral or conservitive trite that people like to tout has nothing to do with it. It is just simple chemistry and science.
Librals see the problem, and overplay it and go into hysterics. Conservitives see the problem and overly downplays it to the point of denial. While the rest of us who lend to neither side will see the problem and actually try to do something about it.
There has to be a balance. Not enough Ozone, and we'll be baked by the UV rays from our sun. Not a good thing. To much Ozone, and we'll have the climate change that we're currently seeing. The earth will bake in it's own thermal heat. If there is a healthy balance of Ozone, the right amount of thermal heat can escape as well as keeping the UV radiation in check and not being let in huge amounts.
In other words, yes, to much is bad, just as to little is bad. Nature works in a balance... and humans do have a way of tipping the balance.
Marxist whatever, libral or conservitive trite that people like to tout has nothing to do with it. It is just simple chemistry and science.
Librals see the problem, and overplay it and go into hysterics. Conservitives see the problem and overly downplays it to the point of denial. While the rest of us who lend to neither side will see the problem and actually try to do something about it.
Agreed.
Liberal is not the same as marxist though cat. Read Das Kapital or the Communist Manifesto and you'll discover nothing about environmentalism in there.
Global warming's being caused by Solar Flares or Sun-Storms, not CO2.
QUOTE (Cronus @ Feb 8 2008, 08:02 PM)
Global warming's being caused by Solar Flares or Sun-Storms, not CO2.
That does not correlate with the rate of global warming and requires ignoring huge amounts of valid scientific evidence.
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