1. yes there is a difference, Don't know what but there is.

2.The twitch verys, one week I have 0 the next I could have 10. and ever were in beteewn. But most weeks It happens 2 to 5 may be 6 times a week, but again it verys.

3. No I can tell what the anomaly is, and so can ever one ealse in the room. lol

What I am about to say is not for show and the reason why I finally joined just a few minutes ago was to post the wierd things I have done personally. You by no means have to believe a single word I say but what I say is without a shadow of a doubt the truth. I have 4 instances where I have interfered with electronics with my thought or whatever it may be.

The first occured when I was at my grandmother's house and I was going to microwave something to eat. As I did I had a thought in my head that when I press the button to open the microwave it would turn on. Well, you know what happened when I pushed the button. I pressed no button to activate the microwave.

The second happened at my house on a different microwave a couple years later. All I did was think about it for a second before I opened it and it turned on. I know this sounds stupid because it would to me too if it had not of happened.

The third time I was at my parents house and me and my mom were about to go to sleep and as I went to the television I thought what if I turned it off but it was technically still on. Once I did press the television power off it was still faintly on and you could hear the sound even though it was as loud as whispers. I told my mom what happened and she remembers it to this day.

The fourth time was when I was younger and I was playing a game called Gran Turismo and I was wanting to go to bed so I was about to save my game. Instead the game scrolled to everthing I was going to do with the controller. It saved my game and logged me off without me pressing anything.

Now reading all of this I can tell you that it is true but it sounds pretty damn crazy. How all this occured I do not know. I love science but there is nothing in science that I have found that can help me to understand what happened. I don't believe in ghosts, alien abductions, crop circles, conspiracies and the like but I do believe there are things that people cannot explain and is easier to shrug off as coincidences or just lies because there are many lies and believe or not coincidences do exist. But some things you just can't make up.

Okay, tricky one. I'm wondering how you know there is a difference if you don't know what the difference is. Would it be barmy to suggest that the main difference between the two twitches is that when one happens, funny things happen to the lights, and when the other happens, nothing funny happens to the lights?


That's quite often. What happens if you do whatever the twitch thing is on purpose, anything electrical?


Right, so I'm taking from that that you're saying that when the electrical anomaly occurs, there would be no doubt to any observers that it had indeed occurred.

A few extra things:

You missed my question before as to the type of records you were keeping, and the analysis you did to establish a 96% correlation between the twitch and the anomaly?

Is there any way that you can quickly indicate, after the twitch but before the electrical anomaly, that it's about to happen, or do the two things happen simultaneously?

You mentioned earlier in the thread that "You can use a batter tester to prove it" (OP). Does this mean that you can reliably see an effect using a battery tester?

But we aren't calling these super powers! These "abilities" aren't super natural in any way shape or form....Everyone has them, they just have to know how to unlock them...I had pretty much no "ability" when I started this about a month ago...Yes, I had some premenitions, could see a few seconds into "the future"(More like seeing a 5 second image of what will happen in about another 5 seconds...lol) but still not much....I started studying this stuff, and my "abilities(hate callin em that!) have expanded greatly...I can now make psi balls, I can almost do AP...I am gettin close at TK, my telepathy has increased, and my preminition, and ability to see little glimpses of "the future" have grown to the point where it happens almost daily....I freak my friends out, by saying what they are gonna say about 2 seconds before they say it...It really scares them(Very funny, by the way,) I mean, some people might say I was a little more wired for it....But I think I'm just a normal kid, who was able to see little glimpses of the natural "power" and was able to unlock it to a greater extent...We can all do that....


None of us ever said this was supernatural, Things like this just get blown out of proportion...When somone says they think they have Elektrokinesis, people automatically assume the guy crazy, because thye think he means he can make lighting occur, or if someone says pyrokinesis, people think he means he can create fire, and then makie it into the shape of an animal, and make it dance and have complete control over it...(Sorry, bad example, had to though, I like dancing animals...=) lol)
When the fatc is, whatever "ability" we have, its not to as great of an extent as we think...With Electrokinesis, most people can't do it willing, with pyrokinesis, you may be able to burn a candle out with your mind, or make it lean from side to side, but thats it...With Telekinesis, people think we mean we cna move boulders and cars and tables and chairs, and Lions tigers and bears(Oh My!) with our minds...But the truth is that, with Telekinesis, being able to levitate a pencil or a pen(maybe something a little bigger) a few inches above the ground is considered being an expert....Some people(Very, Very few) can move bigger things...But if thye an then they usually lack the ability to move them from left to right because of friction, so they can only move them up and down very high....

But there....Just get it, that we're not super heroes! We're not trying to be! I know thta all the stupid Psychics at fairs, or at malls(Theres one at my mall anyways) Who have wierd dresses and beads and use crystal balls and tarrot crads and stuff, make you think this is all fake...But the true, natural version of this isn't...I mean, those people at fairs and malls, and the 900 numbers from like the 80's that cost you like like 3 dollars a minute, so you could call some weird tv psychic named Sytugacbuspolashiccabaibowbawawbabaoue, who just sits there rubbing her temples acting like shes seeing something, just to keep you on the line longer, might make you not belive, but they are usually fakes trying to make a fast buck...There are MANY "Professional" psychics who are genuine, alot of them....They help police and provide answers to people who don't know where else to go, and are very trusted...But they are just regualr people too...And if you aksed them how they got there "power" many of them will tell you anyone can do it...And it's not a power...

P.s=You people better like this, cause this took forever to type!

This is no more than your opinion and one that has no real evidence. That is faith.

This is no more than your opinion and one that has no real evidence. That is faith.
What you are currently saying, is faith too.

It doesn't matter what you call it; it doesn't matter how weak an ability it is. If it's there, even a little, then it's one of the most amazing discoveries ever made, which will open new doors and bring a new understanding of humanity, even of reality. There are Nobel Prizes and global acclaim to be won. Supernatural has many definitions; I think an ability like the ones you discuss would qualify as supernatural under any of them


I liked it, I just disagreed with a bit of it

Ah yes, the old "prove I don't have this magic ability" argument, coupled with the "It's only YOUR belief" back up. Well played. But weak.

1. yes that it.

2.No ???

3.happens simultaneously.

4. 96% was a educated guess, now I think about it, I cant think of a time it does not happen.

5. I have no wight-in records on this. I never thwart it would mater. But going on what I can remember, it happens almost ever time. I'm am starting to keep a record now that it mater's. ( and please no crap about my memery people, I don't care what you think.)

6. The battery tester is the only way I can think of doing it scientifically.

7. and I cant get it to work wen done on purpose.

crystal balls and tarrot crads dont work, your right. And a littlie fack, If some one says the see whats going to hapen and then say the 100% right, there not telling you that the future is always changing, they can only see the most likly future.

Exp:

You have a dream that some one says some thing, three weeks later you stop the person right be for they say it, and you tell them what they were about to say. You changed the future.

Weak? If its weak you would find something to disprove me instead of giving snide remarks. It seems this is the only thing you can say.
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Psychic is very real. Its only that some people play it down.

Hi SG7, thanks for your replies - it's nice to get some straight answers from someone on this board

Hope you don't mind me discussing them. I'm trying to consider the possibilities, from the point of view of accepting that what you say is true as your experience; accordingly, I'm looking for evidence that the most reasonable explanation for your experiences is what you believe is the most reasonable explanation (namely electrokinesis). I also have in mind that you say you don't care what others think - I'm kind of thinking that you might want a bit of input into testing it yourself, in order to understand better what's going on.


Okay, so it seems the main difference between the 'surprised twitch' and the 'nervous twitch' is that when one happens, nothing else does, and when the other happens, the lights go funny. This is possibly my first 'red flag' of something happening other than what you think. See, it's coming down to definitions - by definition, when you twitch and nothing happens, you consider that a surprised twitch; when you twitch and something happens, you consider that a nervous, electrokinetic twitch. So it seems highly possible that they are the same twitch with different consequences. This could imply that the phenomenon is taking place far less often than you think.


This simply implies that if you have a power, you have little control over it, as you've stated before. I just wanted to check you'd tried the obvious.


Okay, here's the next red flag - the fact that the twitch and the electrical thing happen, as far as you can tell, simultaneously. This is a shame as it means that you can't quickly go "it's about to happen!" (or even "aha!") before it does; but there's a bigger problem too. This is the problem of the direction of causality. Which is causing the other? You've said you're prone to nervous/surprised twitching. You've said that you have electrokinesis. If I believed I had electrokinesis, I'd react in some way every time something electrical and weird happened. Since the two things happen simultaneously (from your perspective, and remember it's actually very hard to tell), it could be that you twitch when something weird happens, rather than something weird happening when you twitch. Do you follow? It seems hard to tell if you're causing or reacting.


I can absolutely see why you thought it wouldn't matter, and well done for beginning to keep records now. You've said before that you don't care what people think, and that's okay - but the nature of memory is crucial here. And it's not just what sceptics say to disprove things ("no, you've remembered it wrong, that can't possibly have happened!"), it's actually the basis of more than a century of scientific investigation into the nature of memory.

I'll keep it brief, but this is important: memory is fallible. Not just your memory - all of our memories. In experiment after experiment, people have been shown to remember things vividly that never happened; to distort memories unconsciously; to forget things they would never think they forget; and to interpret their own memories incorrectly. Here is a fairly good list of 'cognitive biases' which distort the way we see things; and here is the corresponding list of biases purely related to memory. They're long lists! But fortunately there's a simple way around some of them (especially the one called 'confirmation bias'): writing stuff down systematically. It's a pain, and (ironically) easy to forget to do, but it goes a very long way when you need a decent record of, say, how often something is happening.

The bottom line is: guessing, weirdly, isn't a reliable way to say how often something is happening. And, as we're not even just looking for how often here, but an actual correlation (i.e. how often two things happen at the same time), it's even less reliable.


Yes, the battery tester is a good idea, if you would expect it to show a reading when the phenomenon occurs. But if there's no way you can do it on purpose, at all, and there's no way to get even a second's warning before it does happen, then it's hard to see how it'll help. Unless the battery tester can keep records of some kind - some sort of computerised one with a memory chip? I wouldn't worry at this stage about others not accepting that as evidence - actually demonstrating it would be a whole nother ballgame anyway.



So, there are a few things going on here that indicate to me that electrokinesis is not the only explanation for what's going on here:

The lack of proper recording at this stage, coupled with the possibilities that the two types of twitches could very well be the same, and that there's no way of teling whether you're causing the anomalies or reacting to them, lead me to think of 'confirmation bias' and 'direction of causality mistake' as a reasonable explanation. What we have to bear in mind here, is that electrical anomalies do occur, on their own, all the time. Since taking part in this thread, I've noticed lots and lots of little glitches which mostly just pass us by - lights dimming and flickering, bulbs going, streetlights turning off, things turning off or on seemingly on their own. This is to be expected in a world packed full of cheaply made, mass-produced, complicated electronic equipment. If occasionally these things coincide with something we did (or even if we react to them so quickly it's hard to tell which happened first), we might very well reasonable, but mistakenly, draw a conclusion of paranormal ability.

That's what I think may be happening here, based on the information presented.

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let's see, first you say that you can do "electrokinesis", but when you're asked to prove it you say that you can't cuz it's weak, you have no control over it, blah blah blah...... blargh!!!!!!!!!!! how many times did this same scenario occur on these forums??????? ok, let's say that this "electrokines" is real, what are the mechanics behind it, how is it that the human being is able of controlling electricity, everybody knows that the amount of electricity in the human body is very, very,very, very very, weak, please explain?????? you just do't get it there is no difference between pyro, electro,cyro, whatever the fu*k kinesis!!!!! it's all psychokinesis being used on different elements, and electricity is an element that can be controlled through psi, it is difficult, and the biggest thing you can do with it is to make a lightbulb give a lil bit of light, and that is it, one last thing,please answer my previous questions(if you have any answers).

Psychokenisis? Even THAT has yet to be proven. It's kind of funny that you argue with fellow believers...

true, psychokinesis is not scientifically proven, but i'm not arguing about whether it is real or not, i am just asking him for proof.

no no a 'surprised twitch' is wen some one surprises you. Like you get surprised wen some one give you a surprise party. A 'nervous twitch' is a nerve thing.

No I thwart of the reacting thing. The lights, and other stuff, react to me. I have been woching my self seens you asked that and today I did notic I twitch before the light deemed. I almost did not cach it. The 2st time I twitch I noticed it.

I also often feel a bost in power in my body wen it happens.( Didn't I say some thing like that in one of my post?) So me reacting to it would not be it.

Let the record show, I had 3 twitch today.

The 1st two happed in front of my friend ( she knows what I am). She even said the computer she was working at acted fun, and that the lights blinked.

The 3d happened at home wen know one was a round to coform so I say it can not be used as hard profe. Just a "may be."

See tare you a part.

Ok this is the frist time I've seen you on this fourm. also cool down.
What do you wont to ask. And say it nicly this time.

ok, look, i am a believer, but it's just that some people drive me insane, saying that they can manipulate the weather, or that they can do ?????kinesis, all they do is to come up with imaginary names and adding "kinesis" to it, all of these names are meaningless, manipulating one piece of matter is not different than manipulating another piece of matter, it's all matter!!!!!!!!!! thats why they call it mind over matter, or psychokinesis, so instead of saying that you can do electrokinesis, and giving an actual definition of it, you could have just said, i can effect electrons, and electronic devices using psychokinesis, now SG7, can you please provide us with proof of you doing psychokinesis on electrons, cuz if you can't, skeptics will keep asking you for it, and make fun of the whole "psi" theory, saying that it is not scientifically proven, and in the end your thread will be closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I disprove your assertion by stating that there is no proof anywhere that true psi powers are displayed by any one any where, other than anecdotal evidence and some inconclusive videos and University tests.

you guys sure do argue a lot. no one reads this to find hard proof they read it because they are curious.
maybe all these things are coincidence or maybe not.
everyone has a magnetic field, maybe some are larger and more powerful than others.
if you've ever studied anything about kung fu or tai chi then you know that people can control their chi, and no one knows the limitations of that. so why not just accept it and see if you can do it for yourself.
enough playing the devil's advocate, let's just see if we can learn something from all this.

i (and i'm sure i speak for quite alot of people here) don't expect you to move cars or make an firey animal dance but if you claim to have these abilities we expect to see at least some form of evidence. There has been no proof whatsoever that these "natural abilities" exist.

and even if they do exist. If you can't do f*ck all with them, what's the point in having them?

i don't want to sound like a prick, i'm just curious.

Pretty accurate. I freely admit anything is possible. It just makes me crazy when people speak about this stuff as if it's a fact, a foregone conclusion. I hope someday someone comes along with verifiable abilities, and maybe can even teach others some useful skills. I would welcome that.

I'm working on it. I need time. Rome was not built in a day. Also not to make you mad or any thing but, Electricity is energy not matter.

I agree. the human mind is not well under stude by any one. There are parts of the brain that we don't know what they do

I think that would be an incorrect statement. Read up on some physics. I could be mistaken.

Electricity is a form of energy involving the flow of electrons. All matter is made up of atoms, and an atom has a center, called a nucleus. The nucleus contains positively charged particles called protons and uncharged particles called neutrons.

what the hell are yo all talking about, electricity is a physical substance, and not some kind of unique energy that the human body can manipulate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just told you what electricity is, see the above post.

electricity:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/electricity

energy:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/energy

Hi all,

I am new to this forum. I decided to look around the internet because recently, my "electrokenisis" has been increasing. For years now I have slowed down (and sometimes killed) computers, not to mention plenty of kitchen appliances. Then I started to notice that a lot of street lights would go out as I came to, or passed under them. Then I started to get shocked a lot, and shock other people, even through things that shouldn't have been conductors. One really annoying problem was when I kept interrupting radio's at different places and in different cars. Now I find that if I start to think about, especially if I talk about, my "gift", it knocks down systems and power, especially at stores. Recently, like in the past week, I have started turning on street (and various other) lights. I have a ten minute drive home from work, and last night I turned on 7 street lights and turned off 4. (It seems pretty random to me, and it just happens sooo much that it can't be coincidence). The past two nights at work, the server for the whole office has gone down for a couple hours when I get there. So we all got to sit around and talk instead of work, which was great. But both days I was running a little late, so I was stressed. Oh, on my honeymoon a few months ago, my husband bought me a nice necklace, and when he gave it to me, I got so excited one of the lights exploded. So, it does seem to be tied to my emotions. And elevators hate me too... scary.

So, I just thought I'd get some feedback about this. Maybe some advice. I'd love to learn how to control my power. Or even develop it into something more than an annoyance.

I heard (from my chiropractor) that crystals absorb energy. Although, like I said, I want to grow it. Although I am starting to think about getting one to wear at home and in elevators. Any one have info on this?

Everything in existence comes down to electricity. It is truly an inconceivably amazing power if harnessed.

I look forward from hearing from everyone!

~Angie

Welcome to these forums. I hope we can help.

WOW your poweful.

I have hard of the crystal thing. It may help, but alot of the ghost theroys say that some tpys of ghost are just stored energy in crystals. So you could inprent you energy on them and see ghost later in life. Or some thing like that.

Also it may make thing even werse.

I have a friend who specializes in elektrokinesis and yes its a difficult ability to develop. He's been able to cause major static interference with the television at his house before and the one at my house (damn near ruined my tv) and on some occasions give me light static shocks (i know that doesn't prove much bc anyone can rub their feet on a carpet) and also a couple times after focusing energy, or gathering electrons or whatever it is that electrokinetics do to use electrokinesis, he just waves his fingers near my hand and causes an intense tingle and tensing of my hand muscles.

Oh thats wonderful.

-Hey
I am a electrokinesist or something in that feild. I had a power to turn lights on and off. At first I was really scared. I though it had something to do with demonds . Being a christian I did not want that to be. So I did research about my power. At first I didn't know where to look. Then I came across Telekenesis and I was amazed what people could do pyrokenesis, not like human torch but still really cool . Anyway I some what leared how to control my power now I can, (Starting from weakest to most powerfull) Drian battery powered things, Turn street lamps on and off, make psi balls of electricity (Compact, Non-Compact), Electric Sheild, Electric Shock, Electric Blasts, Fliker light through out the house, and most powerfull Iam able to almost get enough Power and Ki to send Electricity through things like Metal, People, Water, and Anything that can have an electric current. I would be glad to show someone but it is that I wil ethier become a Chris Angel, or A freak. This power sucks. But I will keep on practicing
PS. I tkink I might have unlocked something in my brian
-TS

That is very good. Can you give people shocks?

Sort of

Sort of just kinda like a light static thing

You gotta get the light thing on video... I have to see it to believe it.

As for the servers at work could have been any number of rational explanations and none of which involve you have super powers.

Boy, when the Flying Spaghetti Monster gets proven real (which, according to you, is inevitable since I and my Pastafarian brothers and sisters believe in His Noodliness), I'm going to rub it SO many skeptic's noses.

I believe in all things unbelievable so you don't get to rub it into mine.

So, you believe an over weight jolly santa comes down your chimney every christmas to give you presents?

What a joke...

This thread should be closed, it is obvious that the one who started is having us on, or is mentally ill or something. by the way Vanguish, are you an atheist? it has nothing to do with your "santa joke", i was just wondering cuz most skeptics(good ones) are usually atheists.

I suppose I am more agnostic than anything!

But, some of the silly things christians come up with, make me want to question my stance on these things.

Well yes I believe in that too.

Interesting...

Hmmm, looks like you believe in everything!

I do believe in everything nir

Personally! I think you are just trying to be funny for the attention.

I am of course not trying to be funny for the attention. What I am saying is real.

Is it entertaining to you to believe in absolutely everything you read or see even though
the probability of a lot of these things is incredibly low!?

I suppose it's that .0000000001 % chance out of Five-Hundred Billion that it could possibly be true,
that keeps you believing.