Dude if you want something that's already been proven, then why the hell would you go to an UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIES website?

You're right, Moro, it is wrong to push your beliefs on someone else. Now maybe you'd like to take your own advice?

Why post explained phenomena by the same token, if something posted is explained already why should it not be explained?

Explain a little further? just to avoid miscommunication of ideas.

You come in here wise-cracking on me! Thats laughable. Your the one who claims to have an ability, PROVE IT.
Until then you are wasting your time with me.

If you have something to say about religion, then you should take it to the religious section of this forum as well.
Because, I am not talking about religion, (Heart dredged that one up.) What I am talking about is people who claim
to have abilities with no proof, and so far there has never been any solid proof.

This section of the forum has become a big joke, with claims, after claims,..... after claims of I can do this and
manipulate that, then showing not even the slightest bit of evidence that it even exists to begin with.
Pseudo-biased teen sites, do not count. Metaphysics does not count as well, as it deals in philosophy and
philosophers are still trying to understand how sub-atomic particles/energy works on this level. On the other
hand there is alot of speculation on these subjects.


Remember! It is you, (The people making the claims!) that should provide the evidence for your claims.

I think that I am beginning to understand all this better now. There is a computer to sit behind and make
claims with, and not have to worry about much of anything, as there are no people physically present to
see if a person is giving the ole' run-around technique.


Regards,
Tom

What do you "Metaphysics do not count"! This is the "Metaphysics" section of the forum...

Then lets talk about metaphysics! Not about how you claim your supposed abilities to be real.

Lol, nahh, Just wanted to use your words against you...

I really don't have anything more to say to you Heart. I think I am done with talking about these supposed
abilities for a while, as they end up in circular arguments and ending up nowhere.

Anyway, good luck with your video! I will watch it as well as give my thoughts on it. But, I really don't think
it will mean much of anything to you, as you seem steadfast in believing what you want.



Regards,
Tom

Nope it wont...And, I know th evid wont convince you guys ahyways
I'm putting whatever I wna ton it too..Which means fire and water and stuff....Suck it up...

Psi ball are explained, it is a simple bit of physiology.
If someone posts something that is understood it is ok imo to post the explanation.
If something is unexplained, it is ok to try and explain it.

Oh, yes, i agree with that. I think that anything that you have an explanation for you should explain and try to understand. it's when people shoot down something just because it's not yet explained to them that annoys me, especially when they come here, a place where we should all be trying to work together to understand paranormal activity instead of deny its existance.

People will come here not believing in such things however and hope that someone proves them wrong. People like heart though don't help, makes facetious posts and ridiculous claims. (He seems to be an emo kid to and no one likes them)

The problem here is that people are often trying to explain phenomena that aren't yet accepted to exist.

It's fine to go into theory to a certain extent but it's ultimately pointless to spend time debating the way telekinesis operates when we can't even get somebody to be properly tested and establish the phenomenon in the first place. It's sensible to get that somewhat major part out of the way before we delve deeply into the how and why.

Maybe you should.

Its called reality. LIVE IT!

LOL, why am I not surprised that you’ll use easy to fake examples...

Of course, that way you can easily fake it. By the way, ITS FRIDAY!!!!!

Hey, hold on there, I haven't seen you around here, cept for the last couple days...So I guess you're new, or atleats to the metaphysics sect of this....But leave personal stuff out of it...You have no right to call me anything, or make any assumptions about who I am...I have friends, I love my life, I'm not emo...And, I am making the video now, It will be out kater tonight, or early tommorow morning...I am happy to say, I am making the psi-wheel video...You coudln't see the fire and water bending on the camera...Kind of only notice able in person...

Hart, and I'm honestly not trying to attack you here, your name strikes of "emo"...but really there is nothing wrong with that.

As for Mattshark, when did he get here?


Looking forward to it.


Just to let you know, if it is only noticeable "in person", otherwise meaning it's a subjective experience, it probably won't fly with people looking for a scientific explanation as a scientific explanation requires empirical evidence and results that can be verified by anyone under the correct, controlled conditions.

I meant, the flame cast a glare on the camera, so you cant see it, and the water stream is to small, for the camera to really pick up any changes in its movement...

Ahh, gotcha.

That's right now it's time to see if our psychic prediction will be right.

I dropped out of these threads mostly after slamming Heartagram and instead focused more on my test and other boards just waiting for today.



What's this.... Excuses already.

If a decent video doesn't show up today expect to be tarred and feathered, I'm not threatening just telling you that if it doesn't I am sure aside from myself others here will give you a hard time and you have no one else but yourself to blame for your failure and lies.

If the video gets posted I wouldn't sweat it.

See it works both ways posting the video adds to your credibility, and not posting it takes whatever credibility you had left away.

Well since this is unexplained MYSTERIES I don't think that it matters whether or not the phenomena is widely accepted.

Uh, yeah, i'm pretty sure i haven't pushed any beliefs on anyone or even told anybody what my religious beliefs are. Maybe you should actually find out what we're talking about instead of mindlessly backing up someone who shares your views on a subject.

Well from my experience talking to him he doesn't seem to be emo and even if it was it would not strike out his usefulness on a subject. At least he's willing to combat skepticism when somebody flat out denies the existence of psychic phenomena, which honestly, if people are so interested in proven scientific fact, and sooooo insistent upon making everybody here who has had EXPERIENCES with psychic phenomena believe that they're full of crap, maybe they should focus their efforts on discussing something more widely accepted as "scientific fact" and go to a site more based on conventional science.

late reply about the psi balls.
you can say they don't exsist.
and to you they don't.
what i mean by distance is this. and i have done it way to many time for skeptics and others.
i stand in front of you and make a psi ball.
you put your hand between mine and you get a physical sensation that you cannot explain.
some people describe it as a type of heat.
some people say they can't put their hand in between mine because there is something stopping it.

either way, i don't want to be bothered with traveling to where you may be ( unless i am on tour ) and even then i doubt you would like the music i play ( really heavy )
as the same goes for you.
why would you spend that kind of money for something that will last a moment ( unless you are open to haveing your views turned upside down )
but that expendature is something that neither you nor i would put out.

just to change your mind on something.
if you want to have your life turned upside down and drop a bunch of money doing it.
go to tibet.

How true.


You underestimate me.

Depending on our social relationship, I might feel as frank physical resistance what it takes to forcibly overcome my habitual reluctance to invade a stranger's "privileged space." With a different relationship, I would surely feel something if this were a prelude to intimacy if we were lovers.

Many other stations along that line are also rich in physical sensation. It is one of the things that makes life fulfilling. What a waste to spend such richness on fantasies that there is something there, when what it discloses is that there is something here *points to his heart* and here *points to his head, twice*.

What bothers me about psi-balls so very especially is what it says about the alienation of the person reporting them from the most routine sensations and affects of his or her own body. That, to me, is far more significant, and far sadder, than the rookie mistake of looking to comic books for advice about life.

Don't listen to 8 - bits! He buys bowling balls and DOESNT USE THEM!

Now you've done it. I'm probably gonna have a bad dream about that tonight .

I forgot to add in courtroom drama music, but meh.

Dude. We flat out deny it because there has been no real proof yet. Boo ya.

Sorry but experience is far better than proof.

Only to you.

Psi-balls and pin wheels are both scientifically explained, so I feel its acceptable to say.
The explanations have been posted numerous times.

Heart, I didn't know I need your permission to be here, fyi I have posted on a few times in the past year.

Wow, I didnt know they were scientifically explained.

Just to be sure though, could you link me to the peer-reviewed papers explaining the phenomena of telekinesis and psi balls?

That might be difficult. Peer review is available only for things that are news to scientists.

For psi-balls, the difficulty would be to establish a time when the efficacy of exaggerated hand postures in fostering proprioceptive hallucinations was unknown to biology and medicine. Obviously, any child can demonstrate that from himself or herself.

One imagines that Hippocrates' children pointed it out to him, reviving his own childhood memories of the passtime.

In contrast, routine peer-review in the biomedical literature is only about 60 years old.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/409692_2

Pinwheels are a toy well-known in the 19th Century, related to whirligigs.

http://www.nsa.gov/teachers/es/data84.pdf

(You may wish to skip to page 25, but keep reading, there is a nice "how to make a pin wheel" that may be an aerodynamic improvement over your current psi-wheel.)

Again, the difficulty appears to be finding a time when both the toy existed and also there was any unexplained mystery about why it moved. Pinwheels are designed to move in air currents.

You don't want proof. You want to disprove. And if it makes you feel so secure to try to disprove something most people already don't believe in, then go ahead. but i know what i can do and i don't care about your opinion, because i'm not trying to prove anything to anyone. I just want these forums to be safe for people to tell their stories on. I mean these forums were made for discussion, and if you're not here for discussion you can leave.

Amen man! Lol...Screw Skeptics! AHAHAHA! lol, sorrry, outburst...Forgive me, hehe...But yea, if you guys don't wanna discuss then leave...You say you wnat eveidence..But, what bout bigfoot, tons of evidence on him..Footprints, markins, alot of stuff, on discovery they even had a forensics guy look at the footprints of a bigfoot Cast, and he said they were genuine...Thats ALOT of evidence, and people STILL deny him, all the time...

Because none of the evidence that you mention has (like your video) stood up to real scientific scrutiny (if you want to debate zoology, I will happily do so as that is my field, but not in here).
I do appreciate your attempt though, its a lot more effort than most will make.

Thanks, I try...I'm actually suprised I still put up with you guys myself..Lol

Yes, I will have to agree with you! On the other hand! Do you think that some people on here
may be getting tired of putting up with you? This is a two-sided door.

Yes, I bet they have grown tired of me...But it's prolly b'cause I'm persistant....And I stick with what I believe in...

Good for you Heart! But, it still does not prove your beliefs are a fact one way or the other.

And because you don't believe in them, it doesn't mean they are fiction either....

It more than likely means just that.

So, if people belive, it doesn't mena a thing, but if they disbelieve then it means something? Double standard Eric...

Very materialistic way of thinking I believe. To deny. But I do think also that it is your choice. Therefore I will try not to judge...... Too much

Ahhh, so your a zooligist? Or you're just saying that the cryptzoology sect of this board is your main section? It was mine, but I noticed the metaphysics sect and I'm here a whole lot more often than in cryptzoology...And I'll meeet you at a bigfoot arguement post...Lol...=)