I have enjoyed your posts.......

And only 71 pages in.

I know......sheeesh......shoulders back....chest out.....chin up...Gunnaryseargenthartman.....
Skyeagle hasn't finished with you yet......

Well, looks like we have a skyeagle fan over here guys!!


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Hmmm... The burns unit of reality... Wonder what else we'll see in there other than 'badly burned' skeptics...
Ah, the Belgian patient. The irrefutable proof of ETI. Yet, as of last year, SOBEPS (Belgiums leading UFO research org involved in the investigations of those individual cases) officially went into dissolution (forming COBEPS in the process). Amongst the reasons given for this was a lack of conclusive evidence to prove the 'what and why' of UFO; as well as " [fighting] with various "believers soucoupistes" for whom the slightest point in the sky announced landed extraterrestrials". In other words those who intentionally piece the puzzle together to exclude anything but ET and his spaceship make it difficult to objectively research UAS...

Who else is in here? Why it's that unfortunate balloon pilot. Of course he's an isolated incident where one individual claims that it was he who showed those who bought the balloon story for Roswell the error of their ways (let's just ignore the fact that this 'missing' balloon flight was argued against in 'The Roswell Incident' which was published in 1980... 16 years before someone calling himself A****M******* was posting comments on the Skeptics Dictionary). Of course it was rather interesting to see Stan Friedman level exactly the same criticisms of Nick Redfern's Fugu balloons that he himself had leveled at him for the Majestic documents...

And then we have the Northerner. His burns have left him with a strange form of blindness where he is almost incapable of percieving anything 'below' the equator (though he can occasionally make out South America). Unfortunately his blindness tends to lead him to the conclusion that all the world's governments and militaries (Air Forces in particular) tow the US line and are holding back information from the public. Tends to act very surprised and skeptical when told that in the Southern hemisphere the RAAF made all its UAS reports publicly available in the late 70s/early 80s and from 83 onwards decided that private UFO research groups were more than capable of investigating UAS.

Finally we have the hidiously disfigured Disclosee. On the basis of a few 'revelations' about a handful of 'good' cases, we're expected to hold the movement as beyond reproach for its overall credibility, dispite the fact that they've allowed themselves to become infected with, and consequently become, a mechanism of disinformation...

Yes the burns unit of reality is a horrible place indeed...
(and I can see it dragged out for a few hundred more pages too, GSHartmann. Euthenasia would be kind but it won't happen..)

What else is there to say?!

It has gotten to the point that the burn unit had to install a revolviing door and then, began issuing frequent visit tickets them as well.



Ah yes, even a 'non-expert could figure that the Belgian UFO wasn't a conventional aircraft, which means that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that the Belgian UFO wasn't ours. Once again, invoking the 'process of elimination' and common sense logic. I might add that I also disagreed with the European UFOlogist when they suggested that a F-117 was the Belgian UFO. Common sense logic should have told them that the F-117 cannot fly at supersonic speeds nor hover siliently much less, as large as a B-747 nor capable of right-angled maneuvers beyond 40 Gs.

Perhaps, the U. S. Air Force was adding a bonus for them in their undisclosed bank accounts.



Yes indeed, nothing better than to sightseeing in a balloooooon during a thunderstorm at night near Roswell, New Mexico!



Let's just forget that any balloon of any type was responsible for the Roswell incident.

That determination was proven last summer during a recreation with a 1/2 model of a Mogul balloon and the facts were conclusive that it would have been impossible for a balloon to have been responsible for the debris field. And, there are no records for any Mogul balloon flight #4, which means that no such flight occurred and, Congressman Steven Schiff also noted that no balloon was involved in the Roswell incident. Simply facts that some folks are unable to deceipher in order to form an image of the overall picture.



And, that is who I am!! In fact, I used my name at the old CNN message board as well. In regards to the Skeptic's Dictionary, it is very clear that website ain't got its act together since it is still claiming that a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 was responsible. Ask the folks there what is their source of that information. If they say the Air Force, then it's case-closed on my assertion that the website is out of touch with reality as Tim Printy was in regards to the Roswell incident and Kirtland AFB, and 'Access-Denied' was on the Roswell incident and the Air Force's C-54.



LOL!!!! :

Many of those UFO case files that were revealed at the Disclosure Project have already been verified and documented and look what you posted!!! In fact, the San Francisco Chronicle covered the UFO incident that interfered with the control system of a DC-10, and the captain of that flight was also a participant of the Disclosure Project, and the SAC missile interruptions were investigated by my base, and the JAL incident made worldwide news and the list goes on and on, and look what you posted!!



Just take a number and the folks at the burn unit will attend to you shortly, and as you wait, examine the records of NYU in detail on Project Mogul and see for yourself that there were no such thing as Project Mogul balloon flight #4.

If you are going to do your homework at all, make sure you do it properly and not substitute your physics book for that of "Fun with Dick and Jane" in your science course.

Skys right on that last one. DONTEATUS

In what context? Maybe my english isn't that good, but I never said anything other than Moore and Berlitz put forward the argument against the Mogul balloon in 1980, 16 years before Aubrey Matthews was opening up his cans o' whup-a** on skeptics...

Page 35 of the Roswell Incident, Published in Canada, First Printing 1980, Printed in the USA... Wonder how I know that? Could it be that I own a copy

Typical of Aubrey/skyeagles MO. If he can't fault the argument, he'll just take it completely out of context and argue from there...

Homework, Burning and Reality. Three things that apparantly nobody else knows anything about...



Ah well, for the fans, some 'Vintage' skyeagle...

hey, i DO my homework...or else i get grounded.
but also, it can go both ways when people put things out of context. alota skeptics use it to strengthen their arguements as well as believers.

Grounded ????????? How old are you ?????????

21, but it was F'n joke. thought people would get that
...guess not

True... It does go both ways. Unfortunately it's also quite counterproductive to a healthy debate...
Hence why, I like the statement from SOBEPS and the report on the light at Wewak, since they both show what an open minded approach toward the investigation of UAS.
The report written up on Wewak presents both conclusions that could be arrived at, treats the doctor's conclusion as having equal validity to the 'official' conclusion. In fact, it looks very much like the typical UAS report you might see prior to it being adulterated by either camp, as they try to make it fit their worldview.
From SOBEPS we see that after 36 years of investigation, they still had nothing that could conclusively prove anything about the nature of UFOs. We also see that they, as an organisation, were finding that hardnosed believers were counterproductive to achieving legitimate, objective and credible research into the phenomena (let's call a spade a spade here. The only difference between fanatical skeptic/debunkers and fanatical believers is which side of the diametrically opposed belief system they suscribe to; ergo, they are all hardnosed believers).
It doesn't mean that they gave up, nor that UFOs aren't real.

It just shows that they are a good example for other researchers to follow, in that they can accept that, at this point in time, they can't offer any insight into the exact nature of what UFOs/Flying Saucers/UAS are... But they will keep researching it (COBEPS).

Personally I think I'm not alone in saying that the more moderate of us (on either side) would not be overly upset if the fanatics, on both ends of the scale, would go and have their pissing contests somewhere else.

(generic use of 'your', you... etc, not singling out anyone)
After all when it comes down to quoting people out of context, deliberately overlooking evidence that doesn't support your argument (eg. possibly organic looking 'jellyfish' UFOs or multiple witnesses) and outrightly ridiculing/belittling anyone who doesn't conform to your narrow worldview, essentially you shape the debate to become a pissing contest to see who can get the last word in before the thread is locked.

Or, if it doesnt agree with their belief, they just ignore it.



POPULAR MECHANICS.



Formerly secret files finally reveal the truth about the world's most famous UFO incident.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...546.html?page=1

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...546.html?page=2

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...546.html?page=3

Nice, I hadn't come across that little gem before.
So Kaufman falsified a service document to substantiate his claims... You'd think someone with his 'experience' would have known better than to commit that type of criminal offence.
But then again, Haut apparently had a habit of demanding payment for his story (in addition to keeping company with a rather dubious source also). I see a pattern forming here that involves 'Military Typesl', though I wouldn't go so far as to say they are/were acting in any official conspiracy...

However Hazzard, we both know that we'll be brow beaten with that 'get out jail free card' of the 'reality' that neither of us is able to grasp and comprehend. "Just look at what we posted...
'Cause you can bet behind closed doors... 'They' made sure that PM was shown only what TPTB wanted them to see... The real dope is secreted away in an ultra top secret, secure installation that those of us outside the loop are blissfully unaware of...
Make sure when you do your homework that you haven't confused your physics book for 'Fun with Dick and Jane'... Burns Unit... Skeptics rot in hell... Science? Bah. Humbug... Blah, Blah, et all...

Then, why are some skeptics still insisting that a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 was responsible for the Roswell incident? In fact, why did you bring up a balloon anyway in regards to that incident when it has already been proven beyond any doubt that no balloon of any kind was reponsible?



Others were claiming that no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 took place, but I obtained the records that others didn't have or even know at the time to underline my point that no such flight took place, which takes us over to the Skeptic's Dictionary, and I would like for you to tell us all what that skeptical website insist was responsible for the Roswell incident and when you do so for us, I will underline my point once again on why it is not prudent to use those skeptical websites as a means of support since they are not in the habit of doing their own homework properly either.

Hazzard,

Sometimes you really amuse me!!

You tend to use the wrong references as a means for support. Popular Mechanics is implying that a weather balloon rawin device was responsible for the Roswell incident when that facts have already shown that there were no weather balloon rawin device responsible for the Roswell incident.

In fact, affidavits from those involved were saying that the rawin device they posed with was place there as a means of a cover-up and was not recovered from the Foster ranch, and, an official document has shown that it was suggested to use a weather balloon rawin device to cover-up what was actually found.

Since Mac Brazel recovered weather balloons before, but stated for the record that what he found on the ranch was not a weather balloon, which is an indication that Popular Mechanics didn't do their homework, otherwise, they would have found that no weather balloon was responsible, which is what the Air Force had said back in 1994.

So here is where even Popular Mechanics missed the boat because they didn't do their homework properly either, otherwise, they would have found that no balloon of any type was responsible for the Roswell incident.

I did, and I found it very amusing!

Apparently, it is obvious that Hazzard doesn't know the rest of the story behind the article of Popular Mechnics and that is why I am sitting here smiling in regards to my assertion that some skeptics who don't bother with homework at all.

Which year they came to tv to tell the project mogul was responsible for roswell and what is the official explanation now?

first a flying saucer, then a weather balloon, then a raywind target or w/e, and now its project mogul.
the damn army air force has changed their story more times than the Witnesses have!!! but people believe them without question for some reason.

For the believers Roswell is the Big Bang. They never trust the Government or the military, unless they agree with their beliefs.... the first explanation from the military, is the "best" explanation.

"RAAF CAPTURES FLYING SAUCER ON RANCH IN ROSWELL REIGON"


To me, Roswell is a classic example of retrospective falsification. An extraordinary story is told, Jesse Marcel, the Army Major who, in 1947 may have been responsible for a press release that claimed the military had possession of parts of a flying disk, then retold over the years with embellishments and remodeled with favorable points emphasized while unfavorable ones are dropped.

UFO buffs trust Berlitz and others with fantastic stories based on 30 years old memories.

Roswell is like beating a dead horse. For me, Roswell offers no answer. Sure the government lies and covers up stuff. However, this alone does not serve to support, or refute, any argument for the existence of alien visitation.

ok, some of that may be true.
but why would they end up changing their story over the years? and sometimes after a Long while, they decide to change it. for w/e reason

I like the test flying of a proto-type Nazi flying saucer and that the records were trashed to avoid angering US citizens for allowing Nazis into the US. Good cloak and dagger stuff.

If you're able to get a copy of 'The Roswell Incident', compare it with 'Crash at Corona'. If you haven't already done so, you may be surprised at how much info 'Crash' leaves out, despite Stan's 'involvement' with both books (perhaps he 'misplaced' his original notes)...
And that was in the short space of 14years. It lends plausibility to the argument for revisionist history.
For me the 'holes' in the Roswell myth are-
1) Both Jesse Marcels (Sr & Jr) state that, in their opinion, what was found by Mac Brazel was not a threat to national security (Crash at Corona). Sr was an Intelligence officer, so if he says no threat, why do believers insist on screaming "Cover Up"?
2) The base logs don't reflect the heightened activity that the 'cover up' story would have us believe was occuring in that week.
3)Kaufman and Haut have been shown to be out and out liars. And for decades these two (Haut in particular) were considered to be two of the best witnesses to Roswell. Though little mention is ever made (in CT circles) of Haut's affiliation with the Roswell UFO museum, how much of a financial stake his family has in the Roswell myth, or the fact that he personally vouched for Dennis and Kaufman.
Yeah, I know, sounds like attacking the credibility of the witness, but unfortunatly it makes me wonder if there was a triangle of deciet there...
4) The myth that Col. McCoy, due to compartmentalization, could not have known about what crashed at Roswell. A few problems here. Firstly McCoy was yet another intelligence officer and secondly, he had previously been involved in UFO recovery Link
To make that fit with the CT, you need to suspend all belief and assume that intelligence is gathered in a way that doesn't involve asking questions and investigating rumours.
5) Whilst not a hole in the myth, the fact that more serious researchers have moved well away from the Roswell story, IMO is one of the better indicators that (no matter what it was that crashed there) Roswell offers no insight to the overall nature of UAS.

But this isn't a thread about Roswell (which, if you consider point 5, isn't the best evidence for ETI on Earth).

However this one is Link
(from page 21 onwards there's some documentation that shows the terms Flying Disk/Saucer were used as subject headers for reports concerning Operation Paperclip and the 'hunt for the Horton brothers')

Interesting take on the ETH/Nature of UAS


Homework? Read up on Jaques Vallee.



edit:added Vallee interview quote/link

I highly doubt that we are the only forms of life in the whole galaxy. we are only a miniature fraction of our galaxy, and to add the rest of the galaxies and the universe. i wouldnt be surprised if other intelligent life-forms already explored our system.

No what just go out there in the world and see for yourself, Go to the prymids, go to mexico and look at the stars. Go do something becuase nothing is just gona fall in your lap nothing does and as long as your wiating for it thats not going to happen

True there is billions of planets and the chances of us bieng the only life in the galxy is very small but the chances of having others in the galxy is very big











Endless Stars, Endless Wars, Endless Lives

Well I guess its only fare, as many of us have been smiling at your "evidence" about the trace cases, and the documents you claim were mentioning ET..When they didnt.

Loved your reply after that hazzard pointed it out to you that it was all in your head....You can bet they did say ET behind closed doors though.

CLASSIC.


And to tell you the truth sky,...hazz never said that he believed in that PM story, or as you do all the time here, claim it as any sort of fact ...all he did was post it for people to read...

This is what he said though...if you even bothered to read it...






And Demonic...


I dont get it...What are you saying???

The Air Force stated in 1994, that a Project Mogul balloon flight #4 was responsible for the Roswell incident, and that remains the official line today.

Ironically, it was the Air Force that supplied me with the information that no such flight occurred, hence my assertion that the Air Force has an explanation book for the public and another book that reflects reality that is kept hidden from the public.

Remember, what I have on numerous occasions! Knowledge is the "key," which helps determine when to "hold 'em, and when to "throw 'em."



Once again, you are confusing the facrts. Jesse Marcel was not responsible for the press release, and only Colonel William Blanchard had the authority to order the release of the sensational story and as commander, he would not allowed the released of such a story unless he was absolutely sure of what he examined in his office. A very important clue that the Roswell incident had nothing to do with any project of the military nor was it a balloon of any kind.



Try watching the Military Channel some time and listen how World War II veterans relive their war experiences in DETAIL, which was years before the Roswell incident took place.



The government wouldn't go to such efforts and spend lots of money to continue the Roswell cover-up to this very day, if nothing took place, but as you have already posted, the military released a sensational story that it captured a "flying saucer" and the rest is history, so is it any wonder why the folks at Wright-Patterson AFB were also corroborating the story of ET as well

Actually, they do if you understood the nature of the data evidence as I do, which helps me to determine from the reponses of the skeptics, that they don't.

Let's take a short step back into history. The skeptics laughed at my evidence that no weather balloon was reponsible for the Roswell incident, but that was before the Air Force announced that no weather balloon was involved after all. Guess who got the last laugh?!

* The skeptics then laughed at my evidence that no Project Mogul balloon flight #4 existed. Then, official documentation from NYU, has shown that NO such flight ever occurred.

* The skeptics then laughed at my evidence that the Air Force's C-54 has operated out of Kirtland AFB, NM, because they thought the runway was too short, and that in regards to the claim of an Air Force Roswell witness in order to debunk his claim, and the skeptics laughed until I supplied the skeptics with historical facts that components of the first atomic bombs were flown out of Kirtland AFB on Air Force C-54s.

* Then, the skeptics laughed at my evidence that no lighthouse was responsible for the Rendlesham UFO incidents even though the lighthouse can't be seen from the gate of interest due to the forest and a backshield between the lighting unit and the base.

Then the skeptics claimed that a security policeman had hoaxed the incidents. Never mind about the UFOs in the sky that were seen by military personnel and off-base civilians, but than didn't bother the skeptics until the security policeman admitted that he wasn't responsible after all.

* The skeptics laughed at my evidence that temperature inversion was not responsible for the 1952 Washington D.C. UFO incidents, that is, until I posted facts from meteorologist, and accounts from those who were directly involved, and even an Air Force 1969 study that stated that it was impossible for temperature inversion to have been responsible for such incidents.

And, the list goes on and on because some skeptics don't bother to do their homework because they want to be armchair debunkers.



Looking at what is in my head, is how I determine that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence. It is called: KNOWLEDGE!! Consistently, they have been proven wrong time as I have brought it to their attention after the facts were revealed officially.

That is why I tend to get the last laugh with the skeptics when the facts are eventally revealed officially, as has been the case in the past, because reality is not found in their books.

So looking at the track records of those co-called "armchair skeptics," is it any wonder why they are still behind the 'starting line of reality??'

So, as has been beaten out so many times before, what we see printed in the RDR about whose authority that press release was released to them was wrong. If they got something that simple wrong (since I'm guessing Blanchard's name would have been on it if it was his authority), I wonder what else they got wrong...



Or watch a special on Noah's Ark and the Great Flood... It's about as relevant as that comment is to Roswell, and still doesn't prove you're right about either event.





What can I say, other than there was nothing as interesting on TV...

When you're finished beating the remains of that horse, maybe you might care to move on to debunking/ridiculing Vallee, please.

The facts are given, that Colonel Blanchard order the story released and neither Marcel nor Haut had such authority. Anyone who is familiar with military protocol would have known that.



Were you aware of military photos on that mountain taken decades ago? I didn't think so!



As I have said before, I have also disagreed with UFOlogist and when the facts came rolling in, they found out why.

I wrote that years ago and you will notice that nothing has changed after all of those years, but then again, 'Mr. Reality' doesn't change his name with the seasons.

UFOs and the Unknown Tag
Typical Government Response

Since the world's military organizations do not have the advanced technology that has been demonstrated by those UFOs for centuries, secret or otherwise, we are going to list the UFOs as unknown because we are not sure if they belong to the Boy Scouts.

Evangium, gunnary and all the rest of you skeptics that just have joined us here on this forum...Id just like to add something here.

Skyeagle isnt a "dumb guy". He saw a UFO/Alien starship long ago and was absolutely convinced. Maybe we would be too if we were there, I dont know.

But simply wanting something strong enough doesnt make it true. It doesnt matter if the whole world believe in God, if hes not real.

I think hes been forced to realize that as well...but I dont think it will stop him. He has to much time invested in this.

He dont even realize, and probably never will, that one cannot create an extraordinary conclusion before providing and analyzing extraordinary evidence. As those unemotionally involved and somewhat rationally educated realize, we actually have not one bit of REAL evidence of alien life or presence on this planet. Or anywere else for that matter.

Skyeagle is not alone in his strong wish for this to be true. Far from it.

The scary part to me is...Do some of these fanatic believers shove this "fact" down their kids throats!!?



But then again, religious parents have been doing that for years.

Hazzard,

Skyeagles only problem IMO is the conclusion that it is 'Aliens' that explain the UFO Phenomena. Otherwise Skyeagle is almost always right on point when it comes to the UFO Phenomena. He's done his homework.

If only Sky would tone down the 'conclusion' that 'Aliens' explain the UFO Phenomena and simply present the evidence for the UFO Phenomena then you wouldn't be able to agrue against Skyeagle at all IMO! If that happened it would force you to present an explaination of your own Hazzard!

Im not sure lost_shaman, but this might be the first time that you and I agree. I have said this over and over ... could alien visitation be real..?

Yes, it could be, so could certain psychic abilities, as in ghosts, EVP and probably various other ideas that skyeagle believes in as well. But, until we have some type of irrefutable evidence that these speculations are reality...they remain speculations.

Should we look seriously at some of these ideas, especially UFOs?

Well, I sure as heck think that we should, but we must also keep in mind that people can, and do, speak from a position of belief, yes, even in 2008.

I didnt dismiss the UFO= ETH without a second thought.

I simply find it inconsequential based upon actually listening to what the believers and their sensationalistic claims promisses... that the Skys, Ikes, Hoaglands, Greers, and the others out there, (MOST OF THEM SELLING SOMETHING (?)), have put on the table, and realized that the proof of extraterrestrial life never materialized...

In 1989 in Arizona, there were very massive large objects flying in the sky. My friend took some crystal clear images - but i dont have any links and i dont have a scanner

They were said to be atleast 50 feet wide and at the smallest, 5 feet bog. It was flying for about 2 minutes in the air, said the witnesses and then, for atleast 3 months, town citizens noticed a strange solid shadow-like object that shocked people when they got near it. what was it? nobody knows.. it was touching the ground, floating just like a shadow..

In 1992, the same thing happened once more, except it went straight to the ground and didnt fly at all - people just started seeing stuff like that once more.

on january 1, 2008 - in Hawaii, some guys who had a few drinks hitchhiked on the side of the road - a cop picked them up and took them to the station, they admitted the next morning that they were drinking and driving. getting drove home late at night at 8:53 p.m., the cop noticed something in the sky that was red and flashing - there was a little movement, and then, the object shot fire/electricity at the windsheild. 1 boy went actually went missing at the time, did the aliens abduct him, i watched this on the history channel

I wouldnt go to the history channel, unknown eyewitnesses, or drunk friends, for any kind of truth in this matter.



Some people do, I dont.

It could be, but the UFO Phenomena is real regardless of the reality of E.T. Visitation. I'm not sure if you've ever considered that to be the case.

BTW, I remember that we've agreed before but I guess you didn't notice.




We know people report UFOs. We know that it is possible to gather data on UAP, which likely explain most 'Unknown' UFO reports.




Yes!




True, but that is a different sociological subject.




Good. What alternatives did you come up with considering the data?




As I said 'if only Sky would tone down his conclusion and agrue the existence of the UFO Phenomena' you couldn't agrue against that.

it was called ufo files ive never heard of the show - but im a big fan now. my friend tried to sumbit his photos to the history channel, but they said they only used material off of discoverychannel.com and national geographic. of course it was new years, the boys could have been playing a prank (blah, bla, bla) except one of the boys went missing, and by the way i forgot to add this, he was found in russia and he lived on hawaii, and he had strange burnt in markings, and a cut on his eye that was green

Also, as well from the history channel, ufo files said as well, a fast moving object smashed a cop's wendsheld and they said nothing like that kind of force and afterview marks is anything usual

In the end, all we have is someone telling us that they saw something, and Skys favorite "proof" radar. Now if radar were 100% error free we might have something here, but they are not.

Astronomers and other scientists all over the world are well aware of many instances in which something that was very radical turned out to be true. As soon as you have a trickle of hard evidence, that trickle turns into a torrent, and then what was radical yesterday is today mainstream.

No mater what skyeagle says, or anybody else that believes in the ETH... I dont see that happening with the UFO phenomenon.

correct as well
everything to eyewitnesses to readings in a radar is all evidence not 100% proof

Let me ask you this GS..

What would convince you that there were aliens on Earth??

I have a book named Hoaxes that talks about alien visitation and other strange UFO sightings. The quote as follows is a statement about UFO phenomenon.

[quote]Most hoaxes are such as the Patterson film, which was never proved a fake, but most people say it is extremely fake. In the summer of 1992, Edward Graham of Virgina woke up to his farm land, to notice the entire thing was embedded in a strange and odd marking symbol. However, his house is right in the middle of his corn field. "Half the time, it is 15-30 minutes until I leave the house, because I have to find my way out of corn field. We were going to make a path, but it turns out, we're not going to waste our time doing such, because most of the time, you can get out quickly, because my daughter has done it herself." We interviewed Edward and asked him, "You daughter can pull these corn stalks, does it make a loud noise when she does so?" "Extremely loud, I can hear it in the morning, it wakes me right up. Just like the smell of her perfume." "Perhaps, maybe my wife does the same thing. (Both laughs) How come you couldn't hear the incident occur meanwhile while it was taking place?" "I had went to a bar earlier that night. My undrunk friends drove me home, it was about 4 AM, and the crop incident had probally already taken place, or I would have heard it. The entire thing took place behind my house."

The next morning, Edward set up cameras, as well as tape recorders, with 12 hour long tapes inside them. What he discovered was shocking. The next morning, when Edward went to check the tapes, he saw something that would change the way he looked at extra-terrestrial life. He saw something bright in the sky, very bright. For atleast 3 minutes, the entire thing was brightened up. Then, it went away, and that was it. Showing it to Discovery Home (digital cable) which was nearby his house, they watched the tape. What happened was the bright lights. When Edward went outside, there was a totally new symbol, and it would have looked like a blob if the previous symbol had been there, but it was gone. For 3 minutes, no human can redo crops that fast, and even do something like fast.

The evidence. But, most of the time they are all joking. It is still interesting to watch National geopgraphic, the sciene channel, animal planet, the discovery channel, and the history channel from cryptids, the "scary" stuff and of course, UFO sightings and evidence. But, the only way you can get a person's truth, is with a lie detector...

Which they should be using that for every person who says they saw sometihng, which they never do!!

Which i've only seen somebody do that once in the movie "Fire in the Sky"

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