Our science is just now learning and accepting that time is a product of mass.
The less mass there is, the less time there is.
Without large mass, such as planets and stars, there is very little time.

The possibility exists that for those who are on the far outer edges of star and galactic systems, what would feel perhaps like a four day trip to the travelers would appear to be almost spontaneous departure and arrival to those at the departure and arrival sites.

We are just now starting to grasp these concepts and not everyone is pleased. I imagine there was a great deal of absolute horror for some realists when they saw the first airplanes flying, and I suppose if you look at WW2 they also had some just cause to feel so.

No offence isittrue, but I think you're talking aload of crap. For starters aliens don't use time travel, if they did, they could've altered the past and do all sorts of things. Although they travel fast, there have been no inclanations to time travelling aliens. It gets real messy when we start to discuss aliens and time travel. Secondly, your views on aliens living on earth or the moon, why haven't they adapted to what we do, you think that aliens would deliberetly want themselves found if they knew what would happen if discovered? No, they would adapt, blend in. So them being on earth is rubbish, then you said the moon. For starters the moon cannot sustain life, no food, no water no air. I reckon that if there are planets are out there with aliens inhabiting them, then they would have oxygen, therfore, they would adapt to our atmosphere extremely quickly. I can now guess you'd say, "well they would get supplys delivered, and they'd create buildings with oxygen etc." Well, lets think about that. The moon is monitored, we would notice construction work on the moon. And then getting supplies sent to the moon, for starters as you say it would take them forever to get here, then they'd leave their families, well that implies that every life form on the cargo ship delivering food would have to stay on the moon, and no matter which way you count, the moon will become alot fuller, until eventually there would be no room left.


On your points, I would say get a bit of research done before gathering evidence, making assumptions or attempting to look like you know something about this. My advice, come back when you have raided every library near you and every alien topic on wikipedia/ encyclopedia brittanica.


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

I would say get a bit of research done before gathering evidence, making assumptions or attempting to look like you know something about this. My advice, come back when you have raided every library near you and every alien topic on wikipedia/ encyclopedia brittanica.

no offense gunnery but I think your talking a load full of crap . If aliens exist , I think they do , why couldn\\\'t they use time travel ? why would they want to change anything and create a paradox that might as well affect them ? While I can\\\'t say they are I can\\\'t say they aren\\\'t either.

Why haven\\\'t aliens adapted to what we do ( I for one don\\\'t believe they are living among us) why should they adapt ? if they can as so easily claimed control people via mind they wouldn\\\'t care about being found out. How do you know the government doesn\\\'t already know ?

so the moon doesn\\\'t have any food , atmosphere or liquid water. well man was on the moon without those things.

it wouldn\\\'t be too hard for a advanced civilization to do it .

( no I don\\\'t believe they have colonized the moon) - The moon is monitored . Is it ? there is the dark side of the moon that we don\\\'t always get to view as well. and how do you know they aren\\\'t being observed ? and even if they were monitored do you think the government would tell you ?

aliens don\\\'t have to have oxygen. plants do well and expel oxygen.

supplies need not take forever to get there. that\\\'s old thinking. wormhole , jumping dimensions ......in no time at all.

and why would they need to live on the moon at all ?

hey that\\\'s the same advice I\\\'d give you !!!! Oh and you have spelled gunnery and sergeant wrong. so are you really ? or wanna be one ?

Hence the term "breaking the sound barrier"

Cheers,
MahaRaja (sorry dude someone had to do it)

Firstly, the dark side of the moon. What do nearly all living things need? hmm let me think........ LIGHT?

Plants are plants, do they talk, walk, fly? NOPE!

Oh, and for life to happen, it needs LIGHT, WATER AND AIR!

Plants wouldn\\\'t be able to survive if there was no air, why because they expel air! and what is our by product of air, Co2, hmmm, that\\\'s what plants need, so, technically YOU my good man, are wrong. Maybe you should do some research? Thank you goodnight!

They would adapt to blend in, and to fathom information on our daily lives. They wouldn\\\'t walk around green with tentacles would they. That is a stupid comment

stupid is to think they couldn't blend in just on thought alone. Why would they need information on our daily lives ? lol and again I don't believe aliens walk among us.


Obviously! We weren\\\'t colonising it, unlike what isittrue said. Learn to read properly. We were exploring. On a long term basis we would need them things

Erm, an advanced, not a advanced, did you actually listen in school?

maybe they don't need much . maybe they can utilize photosynthesis . maybe they can travel fast enough to get their supplies. and as for me listening in school ? I can spell my name correctly at the very least.


Hell no, but they wouldn\\\'t let it happen, they wouldn\\\'t let aliens colonise it. Us humans want/ think we own everything. We\\\'d find out anyway, because of all of the rockets and missiles and god knows what shootin up into space and engaging them. Once again, a stupid comment

no , your comment goes beyond stupid to ignorant. The government wouldn't let it happen ?? lmao. and how could they stop it? remember sightings of UFOs on missile bases and the missiles all shut down ? The Malmstrom AFB UFO/Missile Incident . Reported by our military. Fighter jets that have gone after these craft only to lose them because they are too fast ? The civilization is advanced. Us going after them would be like fighting a war with pea shooters. so the stupidity is yours.


That is exactly what my post was about!! Please read it properly before commenting like this.

no , your saying they couldn't . I'm saying they have no need too. very different.

Firstly, the dark side of the moon. What do nearly all living things need? hmm let me think........ LIGHT?

tell that to all the life down at the bottom of the ocean that receive no light at all. go back to school.

Plants are plants, do they talk, walk, fly? NOPE! Oh, and for life to happen, it needs LIGHT, WATER AND AIR! Plants wouldn\\\'t be able to survive if there was no air, why because they expel air! and what is our by product of air, Co2, hmmm, that\\\'s what plants need, so, technically YOU my good man, are wrong. Maybe you should do some research? Thank you goodnight!


lmao .............. here are some basics about plants ... read up..please ...http://www.ftexploring.com/askdrg/askdrg6.html

plants here on earth usually don't ......but who knows given a different set of circumstances on another planet. Plants move here , but usually slowly. the Venus fly trap moves at a good rate for a plant.
so no I'm not wrong .... and I'm not a man.

I will also give advice to you, while you are cooped up infront of your computer screen giving smarmy little comments like a wise%%%, maybe you should ask yourself...... hey, maybe I should go and do my job! Defend the country maybe? Oh and are you really LT. Ripley, or is it just a name? Are you a wannnabe? Hell, people make mistakes even a smarmy wise%%% like you does. I am not a gunnary seargent, I am a pilot in the raf, what are you, some kind of parasite that lives off everyone else? Do you even have a job, apart from sitting in front of the tv on the sofa, letting your stomach develop in size even more? Well if that is who is defending the US then god help you!

[b]Lt. Ripley is a character in the movies. Aliens ? your a pilot ? and still can't spell gunnery or sergeant correctly ? lmao. If your a pilot I'm the Queen .

Thanks GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN <<<<<<<<
^^^^
P.S Maybe I want to spell my name that way ^^^^

P.P.S Sorry about the slashes in the quotes

Guys.......take a chill pill!!!...
I've read this thread in it's entirity, and it's taken me aaaages, It's also been a fascinating subject and debate.
Don't bring it down........

I've been interested in the "sonic boom" puzzle. Or should I say.....lack of one!
The sonic boom is caused by shock waves which build up in front of the aircraft. If you could somehow prevent this build up then the aircraft would surely pass thropugh the sound barrier with little or no noise.(?)
In Wikipedia (under "sonic boom") there is a link to "Busermann's Biplane" which is a theoretical design to suppress the sonic boom.
If an aircraft or ufo were to somehow create an airflow around it, similar to this example then the sonic boom might be suppressed.
i.e. If u find the page I'm talkin about and look at the diagram with the 2 triangular "plates", could these shapes be reproduced by some sort of "field" around the aircraft/ufo, thus causing a similar airflow to the "Busermanns Biplane"??
Maybe the presence of the object in the middle would destroy the effect.........I don't know!

I am new here and also don't know much about the subject either way, but I find it fascinating. I don't mind being corrected as long as it's polite

Thanks Protostar
p.s I haven't figured out how to put in links yet!!!

P.S to quote stellar, I said NEARLY all organisms need light, get it right

Also, things that live at the bottom of the ocean aren't aliens.

To stellar, if there was no air, there would be no oxygen because the air carries the oxygen. therefore i was right.

Ok then your majesty, im a pilot, so go and rub your face in that pile of %%%%. I also don't see the relevance with my spelling and my job.

Now on to Busemans Biplane, the problem is that the using it as wing design doesn't create lift, which is very important to keeping a body in flight. Of course you could then counter that with 'what about using mag-lev or anti-gavity tech', but then why use the biplane design at all? Why not just extend the function of that tech to create ionising plasma as is the current thinking for ram and scramjet r&d

Not to mention UFOs are not normally described as a biplane. I can't say none, because there dozens, if not hundreds, of different designs, but certainly the typical (or stereotypical, if there is one) UFO doesn't have the shape that Busemann's Biplane describes.

Back to square one.

No offence isittrue, but I think you're talking aload of crap. For starters aliens don't use time travel, if they did, they could've altered the past and do all sorts of things. Although they travel fast, there have been no inclanations to time travelling aliens.

Firstly, the dark side of the moon. What do nearly all living things need? hmm let me think........ LIGHT?

Im in the raf, what is your job?

Right. So even if they had a force field or some other imaginative tool, they'd still have to push air out of their way.

Sky Eagle, how do you suppose they're able to do that?

Rote Armee Fraktion?

non solid stae particles like light or sound

Debunker unless u are un aware of what an atomic clock is u will no that tests run using a stationary one and an airborne one flying at over 1000mph have proved that time slows the faster u go

and if u read what i said i said going back would only be possible for non solid stae particles like light or sound

an therefore aliens would be time travelling

A because they are travelling in time

B because the speed at which it would b nessacary to travel would me time slows

C they would arrive here and any subsequent faster than light travel would leave them in our future not our past.

I hope this isn't too OT, but doesn't special relativity theorize that if an object could go faster than the speed of light it would, in fact, be traveling backwards in time?

I dont see why people say that really... If you were to travel faster than c, time dilation would change with a factor of i... I dont see how an imaginary number can even describe time.

Furthermore, even if the theory of special relativity did theorize that you could travel back in time by travelling FTL, it would be irrelevant because it is also this same theory that says you cant travel FTL. If you manage to find a way to travel FTL, the theory is proven false and thus it can no longer predict to any certainty what would happen if you did travel FTL.

Debunker unless u are un aware of what an atomic clock is u will no that tests run using a stationary one and an airborne one flying at over 1000mph have proved that time slows the faster u go and if u read what i said i said going back would only be possible for non solid stae particles like light or sound an therefore aliens would be time travellingA because they are travelling in time B because the speed at which it would b nessacary to travel would me time slows C they would arrive here and any subsequent faster than light travel would leave them in our future not our past. But as a last point u say they could alter the past so clearly they havent therefore it isnt possible but if they had then how would u know an altered past would still be the only one u know

Debunker unless you are unaware of what an atomic clock is you will know that tests run using a stationary one and an airborne one flying at over 1000mph have proved that time slows the faster you go and if you read what I said I said going back would only be possible for non solid state particles like light or sound and therefore aliens would be time travelling. A because they are travelling intime. B because the speed at which it would be necessary to travel would mean time slows. C they would arrive here and any subsequent faster than light travel would leave them in our future not our past. But as a last point you say they could alter the past so clearly they haven't therefore it isnt possible but if they had then how would you know an altered past would still be the only one you know

I'm sorry, but to understand this I need to change it into something readable:

ORIGINAL:


EDITED:

Interesting points, but you aren't allowed to use text language on the forum, such as "u", "b", "an" etc. Don't forget to read the rules when you start, that way few mistakes are made and it is easier for everyone else to read and understand.

I must agree with Badeskov, I believe that you are out of sync in your views, firstly, all because they travel FTL DOES NOT mean that they are travelling in time. Technically it has been theorized that to travel in time, worm holes would be used.

Secondly, this is more of a question, but what are your views on life on earth, not how they got here but them actually being here, crop circles, crashes like the roswell incident, things like that what are your views?

Finally, I will echo Badeskov and stellar: sounds is a particle???

Please read the rules on forum regulations before posting again, it would save us all so much eye-ache!!!

Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

I hope this isn't too OT, but doesn't special relativity theorize that if an object could go faster than the speed of light it would, in fact, be traveling backwards in time?

As Stellar has implied, speeds faster than c result in time dilatation of "i".
Thus, Special Relativity does not theorize about speeds in excess of "c". It specifically implies that "c" is unattainable and not exceedable...

The square root of "0" is "0", and "0" implies nothing. Thus, you cannot have time dilatation of nothing. That would mean no time, no existence.
And of course, there is no such thing as a real number that can be used to describe the square root of a negative number. Thus, speeds in excess of "c" are imaginary...they can't exist in Special Relativity.

As Stellar has implied, speeds faster than c result in time dilatation of "i".
Thus, Special Relativity does not theorize about speeds in excess of "c". It specifically implies that "c" is unattainable and not exceedable...

The square root of "0" is "0", and "0" implies nothing. Thus, you cannot have time dilatation of nothing. That would mean no time, no existence.
And of course, there is no such thing as a real number that can be used to describe the square root of a negative number. Thus, speeds in excess of "c" are imaginary...they can't exist in Special Relativity.

MID,

What's interesting is that Time Dilation itself negates the need for "speeds in excess of c "! If we get technical, we could travel to any point in the Universe in 5 minutes if we had enough energy, and we never have to exceed c in order to get there accourding to 'our' reference frame thanks to Time Dilation. In fact if we were 'Traveling' near c it would even seem to us that we were traveling faster than light accourding to 'our' on-board clocks!

The point is that a 'Traveler' never needs to exceed c in order to reach point b!

What's interesting is that Time Dilation itself negates the need for "speeds in excess of c "!

In fact if we were 'Traveling' near c it would even seem to us that we were traveling faster than light accourding to 'our' on-board clocks!

Another thing about this "the alien R US from the future", timetravel "theory", I just thought about.

If we, in the future, could go back in time the Earth wouldnt even be here...As the Earth spins around the Sun...And the solarsystem spins around the center of the Milkyway galaxy.

Most believers seem to be having a problem coming to grips with the discipline required by the scientific method, a discipline which requires empirical evidence and proofs...things that can be substantiated, experimental data which can be repeated and confirmed, etc.

No such thing has ever been presented in connection with the alien/UFO situation.

Its all a bunch of reported sightings, films and photos and statements of something unusual which cannot be backed up.

Were talking, DNA samples of any contacted areas, visual inspection and sampling of the area, ground, plants, things in the area in which the event occurred, impounding the persons clothing worn for detailed examination, detailed inquiry into FAA radar reports for the period of time in question, pilot reports, if any, medical tests to determine the presence of any pathogens or strange immune system responses in the claimant, witnesses, other evidentiary things, etc, etc. Just radar or eye-witness reports isnt enough for the scientific community.

I have repeatedly stated that I think the probability of ET is incredibly high, and very likely. Most believers seem to be having a problem coming to grips with the discipline required by the scientific method, a discipline which requires empirical evidence and proofs...things that can be substantiated, experimental data which can be repeated and confirmed, etc.

No such thing has ever been presented in connection with the alien/UFO situation.

What is find intriquing is, what would happpen if a person went back into time before he was born and accidently killed his parents?

Yes, the famous paradox. Some say its impossible. Some say it would be possible, and would create an alternative timeline.

Imagine stopping off at points in time and abducting 50 entities of yourself and shooting each one.

What are they going to charge you with for killing yourself 50 times; sucide or murder?

A little of topic I know.....But if you havent seen it already, I recomend this movie, its close to what you just posted.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267804/

I hope there are those who suggest that ET are humans from the future, take note of the problems involved.