Paradox ? how about going back and sleeping with someone then back in the future you discover you are the progenitor of your line

The only thing I got from your post is the last part...

Part from the Pioneer and Voyager probes that are now leaving our starsystem we have been making our existance known to any intelligent lifeforms out there for about 80 years or so. Our Radio and TV signals. Ambitious, but possible.

A rather easier task would be to detect our military radars.

Bottom line? With radio technology slightly more advanced than our own, Homo sapiens is detectable out to a distance of roughly 50 light-years. Within that distance are about 5,000 stars, and each day, a fresh stellar system is exposed to signals from Earth.

But even if you believe in extremly optimistic estimates regarding the prevalence of cosmic intelligence, its unlikely that another civilization exists within 50 light-years. Thats too small a distance.

What about them? What "trace cases"? Are they definitive proof of alien visitations? Are the traces in the form of some chemicals in various states of matter? I would believe if the traces turned out to be an alien foot, hand, head or even a whole body. If that was the case, it would be all over CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS. So far all I see is hearsay from people with not many credentials. How do we know the chemicals found are not terrestrial in origin? How do we know that organic or other materials found aren't from humans on earth. I think when we get more real reporters and real scientists involved in using standard investigative techniques rather than listening to Art Bell and George Noory and thinking that's proof enough.

The main problem is too many people will believe anything they hear and read as long as it's about UFOs. I would guess that probably 98% of all UFO and alien contact are either explainable and not extraterrestrial or just plain BS. It's that 2% that I want to get to. I believe there are aliens out there and I was almost abducted by some kind of craft. I don't know if they were alien or not. I just know I don't have any proof that I saw what I saw so I don't expect anyone believe me.

You know back hundreds of years ago in Europe, they did not believe that mountain gorillas existed. The thought of an ape of that size was just as foreign as aliens are to us these days. But when they sent explorers to the mountains and found the gorillas there was no question they existed. The world was astonished when the European world saw them for the first time. I hope that soon, if there are aliens visiting, they will make themselves known.

Hitman

Do we get paid for this time? what is time worth?24 hr clock we invented so we can grow food and sleep. Now what if each hour we live here is one year in some place eles and one second is a week? just a thought Im feeling younger now! Lol DONTEATUS

This is the Dark Lord DONTEATUS calling all human/woomans in last post to kiss and make babies or I will land in your back yards and turn you two into photo-plasma.Peace on earth and B-tweendasheets

Time is the most valuable thing in the world, because no one makes it. we waste or time mostly, but there are some our there who live theres to the full, as mahatma gandhi said: ''Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.''

Always try to extend your knowledge to the full, it serves you well to do so, also, see if you can do something tomorrow out of the ordinary and live life to the full.

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You're welcome, Source!

Lost made an associated point regarding Special Relativity that is apropos to discuss in this framework:




That is fundamentally true in some respects, but no matter what the fraction of "c" we attained, our on board clocks wouldn't actually seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary to us as the traveler. From Earth, if they could observe our clocks...it might appear as if they weren't moving at all at a substantial fraction of "c".

Special Relativity's fundamental mathematics prohibit speed at or in excess of "c". However, time dilatation (dilation...same thing, I've always had the habit of using "dilatation") also mathematically predicts a slowing of time "relative to the stationary observer" as the speed increases toward the limit of "c". In theory you can get infinitessimally close to "c" without reaching it, and that's very significant, as pertains to time dilatation.

You actually need a very substantial fraction of "c" to have truly pronounced effects (99% or greater of "c" would be nice...(around 185,000 miles per second)).

Your time, as the traveler, would theoretically slow down relative only to the stationary observer...not to you as the traveler.

Let's say, for instance, we're going to go to a star system 10 light years away. We're going to explore a planet we know is there that might support life.

10 LY is an immense...beyond contemplatable distance (600,000,000,000,000 miles (roughly speaking)! What???). To give it perspective...if we were to set out and be able to attain the incredible velocity of 100,000 MPH...it would take 6 BILLION YEARS to get there...

Not exactly pragmatic. The Sun would be gone, and the Earth would be gone when you got there...not to mention that the planet you were headed to might already have been consumed in a red giant or a supernova by that time.

But suppose you could attain a substantial fraction of the speed of light.

70% "c"?

The trip would take you 7 years and 2 months (roughly), ship's time.
To the Earth observer, it would take you 14 years outbound.

80% "c"?

The trip would take you 6 years ship's time.
To the Earth observer, 12 1/2 years outbound.


90% "c"?
16 months outbound....to the Earth observer? 13 months.
Now we're getting somewhere.

99.999997% "c"? (in other words, get yourself up to within about 20 miles per hour of "c")
You'd get there in 21 hours or so ships time.
On Earth...~10 years would pass.

Say you got that huge fraction of "c", went out 10 LY, visited for a year, and returned, again screaming at nearly light speed.
By your ship's clocks, a year and a couple days would've elapsed...but here...20 years ( and a few days) would be gone when you returned.

Yes...Special Relativity does provide a means by which you could travel interstellar distances in theory.
10 LY would be one thing...and the oddity of returning to a planet 20 years into the future might make things a little difficult. But significant distances could be traversed in small amounts of ships time at huge fractions of "c".

Suppose you could get all the way up to within 1 mile per hour of "c".

You could go all the way out beyond the edge of the Milky Way Galaxy, snap a picture, and return to Earth in a matter of 1 year!
However...on Earth, 200,000 years would've elapsed.

While it's theoretically possible, for the traveler, it's not entirely pragmatic, for those left behind...

From MID's perspective, I'd prefer not to believe anything. I'd prefer to know, as the result of empirical evidence which passes scientific muster.
My answer would be: knowledge of their presence. Something which would show incontrovertibly that ET is present; not material that simply indicates "We don't know what that was."


That is about all we have. Evidence of UFOs. The definition of a UFO is clear, and it does not, and has no potential to be evidence of ET. It certainly produces hypotheses, but an hypothesis is not scientific fact.

In other words, I want something that says, "It's ET, undeniably"; not "It could be ET". We've got none of the former, and lots of the latter.

Well, I've posted this many a time, but the only way for that to happen is like independence day, where the whole wolrd sees it.

Are there people on the show with any real proof or just BS artists trying to sell you something? Just qurious hazz, what was some of the other COAST TO COAST thoughts on the origin of UFOs??

MID - The only reason I brought up the FTL bit was because of the tachyon theory. I know there's a lot to resolve (such as effect before cause, etc.) but I still find it interesting that there just may be something in nature that opposes the layman's understanding of the forward flow of time.

I know that time may not exist as a quantifiable element, but that's an altogether different subject for discussion.

C2C is focused toward the paranormal, and subjects such as the occult, remote viewing, hauntings, shadow people, psychic predictions, conspiracy theories, UFOs, crop circles, cryptozoology, among other paranormal and unusual topics. Its filled to the rim with the weirdest of the weird. Its sooo funny. Better then comedy central.

But sometimes they also have interesting guests on...Like Michael shermer, Michio Kaku or Alex Filippenko.

First of all, let me say that I think with UFO evidence there is a total lack of the peer review process, where as evidence is left for the public to decide. Footage and photos are thrown to us like a proverbial bone to the dog.

The way I try to operate is from a strictly empirical/scientific methodology. The first thing I do with any hypothesis is to attempt falsification, thats not a coverup or conspiracy, thats science. I think its far better to have this idea proved via the scientific method than it is to simply state it as fact on blind faith, or just for the love of the ETH to be true.

I know that for some people these aliens on Earth beliefs may be strongly held and are often tied in with self image, passionate whishes or perceptions about the world around us. They can, however, be in the way when looking at the "evidence" objectively.

For me to become a "true believer" I need MID to tell me that they are here!!


Seriously though, and Iv said this before...We need physical evidence that can be examined at leisure by skeptical scientists from all over the world, like they did with the moonrocks. A scraping of the whole ship, or body, and the discovery that it contains isotopic ratios that arent present around our sun, elements that dont exist in this starsystem.

Bottom line, I need a ship or a body, and I need the world wide scientific community to tell me that its the real deal.

This will never happen. There are a lots of reports from military pilots in the hands of government, these files are kept classified and hidden from the public no matter if these sightings are ets, debris, superman or just fuzzy lights.


And you still think if an alien ship crash on earth they would run to TV screaming the earth is being visited by a superior intelligence

...you are a piece of work, Haz!

...I can't do it. I can't tell you that! That information is highly classified and eyes only for Government Dis-Information Specialists to debunk!

Mid is right hazzard now he will have to kill you LoL DONTEATUS

Well, then, I suppose that our evidence will never happen.
Thus, it's probably pointless to discuss it any further, eh?

...There are plenty of publically available reports from military pilots, airline pilots, civil pilots, folks on the ground, and radar operators describing UFO sightings. But that's as far as they all go...alleged UFO sightings. They have no substantive evidence within them to remotely conclude that they are ET...just evidence of things they can't identify.



Who is they?


You know it's really simple:

We track a vehicle entering Earth orbit.
We track it as it de-orbits.
A bunch of people see it come in. People take photos which clearly show a craft...not some nebulous saucer or blurry cigar shaped image that could be anything...a ship of some sort...obviously. It lands in a field someplace...video-tapes are made, local news crews come out and film it, and there are concurrent radar data from the local ARTCC which correspond to the witness accounts.

It takes off again and people film it moving away...and ATC has corresponding radar data to confirm it's path in concurrence with those who actually saw it and recorded it. It is tracked moving back into orbit and perhaps outbound again....

We've got all that...and a landing site that people are pouring over, analyzing the area, documenting every square inch of it. We perhaps find residues of fuels we don't recognize, perhaps evidence of soil sampling, perhaps some instrumentation left behind...whatever.


We've never even remotely approached that level of documentation in any UFO sighting or report that's ever been filed by anyone.

Why do you think so, if you don't mind me asking?!



How do we know that they exist if they are kept classified?



I could say a lot here, but I would be echoing MID and there is no need for that, as he put it very well.

Oh, and on what I need to believe I am in complete agreement with Haz and MID (and others), I deal in knowledge, not belief. I prefer not to discuss from a point of belief, but from a point of knowledge. And for that I would most likely need some hard evidence that can be independently scrutinized by an international team of scientists (like the moon rocks were).

But in my opinion (yes, my personal and completely unfounded opinion, for what it's worth), I think that when ET really decides to visit (if at all), the event will be so spectacular that it will leave no doubts (thinking something along the lines of what MIDs aforementioned scenario).

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typos.

Very well put MID, and I'd just like to add, although you strongly implied it, that there is no way the government (any government) could possibly cover up a scenario like you described. People just aren't that efficient at hiding things.

Í cant wait to se what Skyeagle has to say about that...

Most of those senarios happens all the time around the world...but not in the same sighting.

There are three possible scenarios for alien contact.


The first one, is that we are alone in this planet, one day we can eventually discover an habitable planet using our satellites and send, or receive a signal using those giant antennas from SETI. We made contact or at least discover there is intelligent life out. In this case i totally agree with skeptics, the data will be send to scientists to study and a public announcement "we are not alone" is made. In this particular case there is no direct danger involved, so is not necessary to be extra carefulness.


The second, millions of people worldwide being abducted, hundreds of flying saucers sightings, aliens coming down to earth to make sweet love with humans or using telepathy to enter their dreams and tell the world is in danger... Yes, it's all nonsense. All these people are morons.


The third, could happen that one day the earth was eventually visited by small grey people from a non so distant star or whatever place they live. Aliens came here, abducted a few humans, god knows why they always choose ugly americans... . In this scenario, some people actually saw them, unfortunately they didn't took a picture of the beings or the ships, and ets are not interested to make a public appearance. They are in fact keeping a good distance from us. Thats why would be so difficult to have "the best evidence".
Now to push a little, in this case, the aliens are still in earth vicinity, eventually, and i mean extremely rare occasions, one ship enters our atmosphere, they are saw by a few people or airplane pilots. It's a very unusual event, but with all satellites and radars over the world, the government would know of this visitation, lets assume roswell is real, and people were in fact abducted. how would the government tell the public what is happening? People are freaked about terrorists, imagine alien beings flying around the world for hundreds of years just watching us and nobody knows what they want... What they would do is keep things the way they are as much as possible. If i see a flying saucer one day the first thing i would do is buy some protection.







This pictures are from operation saucer, the responsible for the mission gave an interview and told they are from flying saucers, that these aliens collected blood or tissue from natives in amazon forest. More than dozens of people, military and local, confirmed the lights were from machines piloted by entities who resemble humans. why is the rest of pictures and the films still archived? Is this what we call classified?

The problem with skeptics is they only accept alien contact if handled by humans. Which i think is very unlikely to happen.

The problem with skeptists is that they are exactly that. The definiton for Skepticize is: Skepticize: To doubt; to pretend to doubt of everything. So no matter what proof you present to them, they will find a conspiracy or a set up. What our job is, is to see if we can help them to understand our views aswell.


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Simple!

It has nothing to do with the UFOs in question and doesn't reflect the metallic saucer-shaped flying objects maneuvering around aircraft nor the triangular UFOs reported since the 1800's.

That is why those cases remained unexplained in earthly terms to this very day after numerous scientific investigations and analysis over the years, and even the engineers at Aeroject continue to assert that their own satellites continue to track UFOs flying in from deep space.!

In other words, there are still over 100,000 UFO case files unexplained terrestrial speaking and there are scientist who have concurred. One of the over 100,000 reports on file.

Considering on several occasions I've mentioned that the government has been releasing official declassified UFO files from the National Archives, which are available under the FOIA, that is just another way we know they are real and that the government has been withholding those files from the public until now.



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I repectfully disagree with that. How come you didn't know that radar technology was reliable enough in 1952, which is why I had to post historical documentation to prove you wrong?!

I am sure that I won't have any problem finding other issues as well.

You have no idea what a skeptic even is.

A great many people don't.

Here are a couple of quotations that might clear things up (for some):

"You see, one thing is, I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of uncertainty about different things, but I am not absolutely sure of anything and there are many things I don't know anything about, such as whether it means anything to ask why we're here... I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious universe without any purpose, which is the way it really is as far as I can tell. It doesn't frighten me."

"Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out."

~Richard Feynman~

This is what true skepticism is all about.

And what makes you think that there is a "smoking gun" in the not yet released documents. There sure wasnt in the released ones, as we all hoped.


And after those are released, and proves nothing, are you going to claim that the evil govenment is still sitting on the real stuff??

even if there was a smoking gun in there, its not like youd believe it anyways though.
people get Real skeptical about those things

Dude considering how large the galaxy is let alone the universe their is other life out there
whether that life has visited us that is the only question

No it isnt. The question is still "is there other life out there".

So in all the vast universe were the only living entities huh, do you also beleive that the world is still flat?

I didnt say we're the only living entities. If I had, then "is there life out there?" would not still be the question, would it?

Oh, and theres a difference between the shape of the Earth and alien life... One we have studied and proven, the other we havent.

First you say that you never said that were the only living entities, but then you say that alien life is unproven.
If were not the only living entities that means that there has to be something out there your just contradicting yourself

I dont think this people realize the difference between "evidence" and "proof".

A piece of an alien craft is proof, an alien body is proof... The evidence only tell us where to look to find, to obtain the definitive and undeniable proof.

At this moment we should be looking at those radar tracks skyeagle talks all time, if they show objects entering and leaving earth, this is the kind of evidence for alien crafts. And those former military, lost in the disclosure project, who talks the government has pictures and films of flying saucers, or those people are lying or this pictures are real and they would constitute proof.

But skeptics put all the cats in the same bag and keep trolling.

Being a bit pedantic now. I think you know what he meant.

Erm, yes I do I would aprreciate it if you wouldn't be as rude as to roll your eyes at me my friend, like I am some sort of child


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

so those pyramids... they weren't really built by alien beings and that after all

The proof is that over 86 pgs,of this smack and 1288 post on the subject and still no Compelling Exhibit-A ? Hum,we need a starbucks break. LoL DONTEATUS

Well if you said the quoted statement then you clearly don't...

Erm, yes I do

And THAT is the point.
We've never had but a piece of my scenario (which would constitute something substantive) in any given sighting...not all of those corroborating things...just a single aspect, or perhaps a couple. You need all of it.

No, it is not the only question. Almost everyone here believe that there is, or has been, life out there, intelligent or other. Some people even believe that htey have come to Earth on a visit...

But noone on this planet has ever been able to show any REAL evidence of these claims.

Amen to that.
87 pages and nothing conclusive. We still haven't answered the question as to where that 'life out there' is...

Though it was interesting to see (back in the real world) that the 'existence of Pluto' technique was used to find a new planet just recently (hehehe) outside our solar system. Link

That and New laser technology could find the first planets that resemble Earth Link

So we're slowly getting closer to narrowing the field regarding the question as to whether or not there are Earth-type and possibly life supporting planets in our cosmic neighbourhood.
Of course, give the immense size of the universe, this is the equivalent of finding a needle in a stadium sized haystack (without any help from 'Mythbusters' )

Not according to your post.

And Ill roll my eyes at whoever I wish, for whatever I deem appropriate.

I never said we're not the only living entities, just as I never said we are. Thats why the question exists... because we dont know whether we are or not!

Because, they show that while the military was telling the public that UFOs were bunk, behind closed doors, the documents show that the military was not only encountering UFOs on a regular basis, but actively trying to shoot them down as well.

They are talking metallic, saucer-shaped flying objects and military pilots who have encountered them, are claiming they are not ours, as noted by a B-52 crew who admitted on video that the UFO they encountered was that of ET.

Documents from the Strategic Air Command (SAC) show that such crafts have dismantled its missiles and that is no longer a military secret either, since I have already revealed that my own base was involved in the investigations due to the fact that we had responsibilities toward Minuteman missiles in the field. In fact, I use to watch as a special loader erected a special container housing the Minuteman missile, vertically and then lowered the missile into a holding silo next to my hangar, which was located at Hill AFB, UT.

Now, an engineer from Aerojet has been revealing documents showing that NORAD has been tracking UFOs in space as they enter Earth's atmosphere, and that is something you won't find in your local newspaper and why the public is generally not aware of what goes on behind the closed doors of the military.




Actually, it does if you knew the rest of the story!

I have often said, that unless you can prove those UFOs as those of mankind, then I rest my case that they are not ours.

With over 100,000 case files, documents, data evidence, and physical trace evidence, I don't think so!!



We have more data on the existence of UFOs than we have on Pluto, so what's the point?!

Let's take a real look at what is going on here. You accept an artist conception as proof of a planet that no one has seen with their naked eyes, yet you dismiss viable data evidence, offical government documents, credible witness testimony whose accounts were backed by a number of electronic surveillance means, physical trace evidence along with photos and radar trackings that prove the existence and reality of flying saucers.

What I see here, is the same mindset of those who'd claimed that a weather balloon was responsible for the Roswell incident and what was their evidence that it was a weather balloon in the first place?! I told the skeptics why no weather balloon was involved, but they stuck to their own undeniable evidence and in 1994, their evidence became history when the Air Force adimitted that no weather balloon was involved after all.

Is it any wonder that when the facts are eventually revealed, there are those who find themselves on the wrong side of the fence?!