What the data shows is that the object is an artificial intelligently controlled craft reacting to radar lock-ons.

Now, since it has been determined that the object is an intelligently controlled craft, the next question is; do we have such a large craft capable of 40+ G maneuvers? The question is obvious; no we don't, but the craft exhibited such violent maneuvers on multiple radar systems, which simply means the object was not the result of any radar glitch.

Since the object is obviously exceeding the speed of sound, the next question is; did it create a sonic boom? Military officials had stated that the object exceeded the speed of sound yet produced no sonic boom. That is why I referenced the aeronautical manual, AIM/FAR Part 91, 817 and Appendix B, 1,2, and 3, to show that the craft countn't have been ours because we haven't solved the riddle of the soinic boom yet.



In addition, the craft was locked 3 times and each time its violent maneuvers broke the radar locks on both aircraft, and that involved intelligence.

The skeptics claimed the UFO was the result of radar glitches, which is amusing to me because there is no indication whatsoever that radar glitches had anything to do with the object on the screen, especially since the object was not only captured on the wingman's radar, but on multiple, and I might add, dissimilar ground-based systems as well, which proved beyond any doubt that the skeptics had no idea what they were talking about and that the object was not the result of anay glitch.

Other skeptics who understood radar data better than othes who were claiming radar glitches, understood that the object was in fact, an intelligently controlled craft, but claimed that the object was an American F-117 because of its shape. Common sense should have told them that the object couldn't not have been an F-117 because the object is not a supersonic aircraft nor can it hover, and the radar signature was not indicative of any stealth aircraft, which was a strong signal, and what is the features of stealth aircraft anyway? Radar invisibility.

That should have stopped the skeptics in their tracks by that very fact so it was amusing to me that they thought they knew what they were talking about, but didn't.

So you see, the craft is an intelligently controlled craft and not a weather balloon, and whose performance capabilities far exceeded any aircraft by far, and the fact it left no sonic boom, is another fact that the object was not ours because we hadn't solved the riddle of the sonic boom at that time.

So is it any wonder why the object wasn't ours to begin with given the fact that it exhibited extradordinary technology unknown to mankind?

Wow...
Radar detects intelligence...
Personally, I'd have thought too much of it would cook your brain, but there you have it...
Radar detects the prescence of intelligence as well as physical form...
Wow, ya sure shut me up...

According to Sky Eagle, EVERYONE knows the UFOs are from "out there", except the US gov't isn't admitting it. Why not? I've heard of denial, but c'mon....

And my sixty years comment from a page or so ago? I was referring to the amount of time since the US gov't began investigating the phenomenon, not the amount of time the phenomenon has allegedly been observed. Either you simply skimmed over my post (it happens, we're all rushed these days), or you deliberately misread/misinterpreted what I said (which would be far more grievous and inexcusable--but I'm beginning to believe, more understandable).

My money's on the later. Part of building the argument is to deliberately take comments out of context and ridicule from there.
Works well for 10 year olds in the playground, not so well in the debate (unless the 'victim' is a flamer with a short fuse, then you can build support through matyring)...

Im still rootin for skyeagle he has do a ton of typing in here about actual printed text from reports. So when the powers that be release the facts and proof of there exsitance then whos going to be remembering good old Skyeagle? Im behind you skyeagle. but just in case DONTEATUS LoL Now you can include me in the UFO group.

You call things, "tripe" but remember, it was I, who corrected you for that photo in regards to the Rendlesham UFO incidents. I found it very amusing that you posted that photo, which proved to me that you had no understanding of facts involved in those incidents and why I posted the map and the photo of the lighthouse with its backshield.



In other words, I should travel to Japan to see if Tokyo really exist. The Iranian pilot involved in the Iranian UFO incident is traveling to confirmed the details of that incident, so that saves me the trouble of going to Iran to ascertain the facts, but then again, I have already reviewed the history and official government documents to know the details already. It is called; Doing my homework!



Funny, but that reminded me of J. Allen Hynek who was once a hardcore skeptic until he began his investigation inot the UFO enigma. I also find it amusing that you mentioned former ET believers when there are still over 100,000 unsolved cases on the books.



Simple typo that has no bearing on the facts whatsoever because I was refering to a certain individual. Nice try!



Colonel McCoy has nothing to do with the employees at Wright-Patterson AFB who have stated that the Rowell debris sent there for examanitions, were from extraterrestrials because of the very nature of the property involved, so is it any wonder why even the commander of Wright-Patterson AFB also stated that the Roswell incident involved exterrestrials?



Don't forget at that time, they were also saying that a WEATHER BALLOON was responsible for the Roswell incident, and what did the Air Force say in 1994? It wasn't a weather balloon that was responsible.

You see, it takes knowledge to know when to "throw 'em, and when to hold 'em." The advantage I have over the skeptics.



Do you really think that I am going to present all of more than 100,000 case files. How about doing it the easy way and visit UFOCAT?! Nice try again!



Is Stanton Friedman a scientist? What has he been saying? Apparently, you missed where I posted comments of scientist who specifically stated that some UFOs were those of ET.



Take it a step further!

That would indicate that the objects are not those of mankind and why the Air Force had said the objects were "interplanetary spaceships." The objects the Air Force was speaking of were identified as saucer-shaped flying crafts, so in that regard, you can take off the UFO tag as the object was visually identified as a flying saucer.



Mentioning Phil Klass is not particualarly a good thing. After all, he stated that an SR-71 was responsible for the object that flew near a DSP that was sitting over 20,000 miles above Earth. And, it was Phil Klass who stated that the huge flying saucer that trailed a B-747, were the planets, Jupiter and Mars, even though the object was tracked on ground-based radars of the Air Force and of the FAA.


When Mr. Klass found to his demise that he made a mistake, he made another by claiming that the object was the result of ice clouds, but meterological conditions had proven him wrong once again.

I deal with the facts, and why I tend to post historial facts and documents that have proven the skeptics wrong time and again.

Be careful that you don't place your money on the skeptics; you can end up broke.

Yes, radar can detect intelligence, and the lack of it as well.

If a pilot is dumb enough to deviate his position in "Class A" aircraft without permission, then radar will let the controller know that the pilot is initiating a dumb move.

Besides, radar is also used to differentiate between a large aircraft and a small aircraft. In fact, radar in certain modes can differentiate between a Ford truck and a Chevy van.

Just thought that you like to know that!

Actually, the Air Force has already admitted that some UFOs are those of ET, and in fact, I posted the specifics just the other day. Does Major Dewey Fournet, USAF, ring a bell?!



If you had checked out the facts, the investigation began long before that. General Jimmy Doolittle was sent to Europe right after the war to investigate UFOs and in 1948, the Air Force had already stated that flying saucers were real.

It seems that you have been missing much of what I have posted and I can ascetain that fact from what you are posting, otherwise, there would not have been a need for you to post your "60 year" comment.

The word I'm thinking of is also the title of a Penn and Teller series. Which nicely sums up your last two posts.
The only thing you deal in is belief and, assuming it was you, the only time you've ever dealt in hard and fast fact, was debating to those 'skeptical' truth seekers who were claiming that, contrary to what millions saw on TV, the 9/11 carnage was not caused by 3 hijacked aircraft that were piloted into the two towers of the WTC and the Pentagon. That, sir, is the only time you've argued hard and fast, indesputable facts and shown 'the skeptics' to be clutching at weak straws to build their arguments...

Now answer me this-
How is you quoting someone completely out of context and attempting to ridicule them for your erroronous quote indicitive of fact?
How does a photo taken with a telephoto zoom lens, by someone in the UK, equal lack of proof because someone in the USA reads a differing opinion on a story? Seems to me, that it's 50/50 at best.
How does one factual statement, independently verified (you may notice that Klass got it 2nd hand since he never cites the document directly), become incorrect because of an unrelated claim?
Why are your typos merely that, and everyone elses are nitpicking, apparantly argument winning points?
Why do you insist on claiming that McCoy had nothing to do with WPAFB, despite an official document clearly stating that he recovered a UFO and brought it back to WPAFB?
Why visit the UCat? I'm just going to come to the same conclusion that it's 100, 000 anomalies, aren't I? Obviously you've read them all and know the correct way to interpret them. But if 100, 000 is too many, how about 1/1000th of them? Still too many? How about 50 good, solid indisputable cases. Since you've got around twenty, that leaves 30 to go? At least then you'll be able to satisfy Hazzard's request made in his OP

And do you know who said this in October 1976? -
"I have come to support less and less the idea that UFOs are 'nuts and bolts' spacecrafts from other worlds. There are just too many things going against this theory. To me, it seems ridiculous that super intelligences would travel great distances to do relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soil samples, and frighten people. I think we must begin to re-examine the evidence. We must begin to look closer to home."

At least radar is a real device,tool we rely on even for our lifes ATC lives by it and skyeagle is right on the facts of radar reports.unlike dragons and such DONTEATUS

How do you know the data is dubuous when you have already proven to me that you do not understand the nature of what the data depicts?!



Doing one's homework is how that determination was made. If you had checked it out, you would have found that the CIA had pychic spies on the payroll for 20 years and when the budget was cut, they retained 3 of them for a while, and that after spending $20 million on the program. You would have also found that the Soviet Union was also working on similar projects as well.

If you had done your homework, you would have found that I was 100% correct in regards to the government's involvement into the paranoral in regards to American Flt 191 and Eastern Flt 401, and the amazing thing about it is, it has all been made public already!!

I was already aware of the C-141 incidents and Air Force reaction to certain events regarding that aircraft because I was stationed at the base where the incidents occurred and not only that, I reviewed the actual aircraft form from that particular aircraft in regards to the write-up made by the aircrew.



Bascially, that is what the skeptics told me when I told them that no Mogul balloon was reponsible for the Roswell incident. Now, the facs are stacked and against the skeptics on Project Mogul.



The data has already been substanciated by the radar experts and even by the lead pilot involved in the incident and he confirmed his wingman also locked up the object with him, so the reality of the data is not questionable whatsoever.



It seems that you took that last part from a skeptics who has no understanding betweent the relationship between MSL and SL, much less about radar specifics, otherwise, he would have found that the object didn't come closer to the ground than 200 feet.

I find it amusing that there are those who think they know what they are talking about, but in reality, they don't. That reminded me of a few words that I read years ago.

"Those who think they know it all, are anoying to those of us who do."




An intelligently controlled craft whose exotic technology and performance characteristics are not found in the science books of mankind and why there are those who have stated for the record the object was not of this earth.

Flashback:

The questions are; was the object determined from analysis to be an intelligently controlled craft?

Answer: Yes!


Did the object exhibit performance charateristics and technology not found in the science books of mankind"

Yes!


Is that why experts have said that the object was not of this earth?

Yes!

Let's use the word; "REALITY."

That can be determined by the fact the case files remain unrefuted to this very day, which was a hint all along.



It is not just a belief, but one of reality, especially since I already know as a fact that they are real; no question about it whatsoever!



Yes, that was me as well. Apparently, the skeptics didn't understand anything about thermite reactions, but I did! Apparently, they didn't do their homework either and it was clearly evident when the facts came rolling in after I posted the specifics to prove them wrong.

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

And I think it's in Ezekial (forgive me if I'm wrong, but this book and some of it's believers left my disillusioned long before the ETH believers) where this scientific text mentions chariots of fire descending and ascending from and to the heavens.

It must be fact 'cause you cant disprove it...

And, surprisingingly, I have to agree with you on that one. But that's just the difference that an event witnessed by thousands first hand, and seen by millions within hours of the event, along with ample physical and observational evidence left behind after the event, makes.
Those facts are very hard to deny, and the debunkers (in that case, those who need their argument against the authority of the state) can't produce any valid argument and need to leap to illogical conclusions up to and including death rays.

People of ancient times will describe things in such a manner because what do they have to compare their sightings with?! How would they describe a fully-suited astronaut using a flashlight?

In regards to the WTC debate, I have been handing out hints in the form of data, official documents and eyewitness testrimony from highly credible witnesses to make my points as I have been doing here.

Why then are we still waiting (...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting...) for "official" disclosure?

That chance came on January 22, 1958, but the censors at CBS had pulled the audio plug on " Live TV" as the revelaton was about to be made and as one CBS official stated; it was done "in the interest of national security." However, the President of Brazil went public that year over the Tridade flying saucer and not many people of today knew that either.

Not many people today are aware of what transpired on the date of January 22, 1958, but Kenneth Arnold was scheduled to appear as well. The question is; which president wil have the courage to reveal ET reality on the nightly news?

For me, the waiting is over, not just because of my own sighting and those of my compatriots, one of whom was my assistant manager, but what I have been uncovering over the years, and in some cases, I can thank the USAF for their assistance.

Now, you know why I have been stating all along that ET visitation is a fact.

So what has prevented "official" disclosure in the ensuing 50 years? National security? Aliens haven't attacked us yet, so I doubt they're much of a threat.

Face it, if the aliens are as advanced as I think they would be, we wouldn't be able to stand a chance.

Your statements of leaks through the years indicate that if we are being visited (which I find so improbable as to be virtually impossible), it must be the worst kept secret in history. And if that's the case, the government may as well admit it.

which part of the gov are you reffering to NigelTM? I think the part that we know is there but will never be let known exsist. why eles would america be so short of funds to do real space research and exploration. Thats what gets my goat! Lets get back on track.

The 1938 "War of the World's" broadcast caused a lot of panic in the streets of American and I wouldn't be surprised if there are those who still remembered the panic that the show had caused.




And, the 1960 Brookings Institutes report to NASA.






That is correct, but how would Wall Street take the news and what would be the consequences tomorrow if the President of the United States revealed ET tonight? How many people would take off work and for how long, in order to listen to an all day broadcast of the president's revelation that ET has been here all along, and for thousands of years?

How would the public take it if all of a sudden, those missing files and documents of 1947 from Roswell AAF that are missing, were to suddenly show up in the president's news conference? Remember, those files were mishandled deliberately and against regulations and made known by the GAO.



Is it any wonder why many of those revealing UFO reality, are government intelligence, military and aviation officials, commercial and military aircrews and radar operators, in addition to engineers who produce spy satellites for NORAD?

Is it any wonder that currently, other governments around the globe have begun releasing their own UFO files depicting intelligently controlled crafts whose advanced technology are unknown to us?

I would think the President could announce it, although it could be NASA, or any of several other departments. It depends on what the discovery is, and how relevant it is to a particular department. For instance, I don't think the Executive branch was involved in the (non)discovery of microbes in an asteroid discovered in the Antarctic several years ago.
http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Microtextbook/ind...=183&page=1



After all these years, and all these leaks, I believe the public would be able to handle it. In fact, according to this poll, I'm right. http://www.scifi.com/ufo/roper/03.html

(Bolding mine)

It depends on what happens. If it's an ID4 invasion scenario, I'd suspect Wall Street would react a bit unfavorably. As for the President, there'd be no doubt he'd have consulted with scientists from not only NASA, but universities both here and abroad, and it's most likely that the discoverer(s) would issue a press release (hopefully after peer confirmation--remember the cold fusion debacle of the late 80s?).

I seriously doubt the public would care a whit.

So there really is no reason for the Government to not disclose all, since so many already know.

Presumably then, they have absolute proof, and not just paperwork in files. Why then, don't they release that proof, instead of opening files (as I recall, the MoD in Great Britain has begun to release their files, but there isn't a "smoking gun" among them. )

In regards to government departments, the FAA was at that press conference in Alaska and the data and communication tapes that it had examined in Washington D.C., confirmed the pilot accounts that the flying saucer was very large according to the radar data. The pilot described the flying saucer larger than two aircraft carriers. Not long afterwards, an Air Force aircrew flying a KC-135, encounter possibly the same object because they described the saucer larger than a ship as well. And, another commercial aircrew encountered the object that was also tracked and confirmed by radar operators.

One senior FAA official presented the data and other tapes and documents proving that the incident took place as reported after analysis in Washington D.C. was completed. According to the FAA, the CIA sought to confiscate all of the data and communication tapes and other evidence, but missed the more important data and communication tapes.



And look how NASA was treated afterwards. Some folks have dismissed the evidence that was presented by NASA.



I believe the public can handle the truth, but there are those who really count who do not think so, however, there were those at the Disclosure Project who believed that it was very important for the public to know what has been going on behind the closed-doors of the government.

CNN Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens

http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/

QUOTE

Now, other governments around the world are revealing that the UFOs are not only real, but intellilgently controlled vehicles as well, so it just a matter of time before full disclosure is finally made without anyone worrying about whether the audio plug will be pulled as was the case back on January 22, 1958 and done in the interest of national security by those who saw it their way and didn't want the facts to be known on the CBS program on "Live TV".

For many of us, the question of whether we are alone or not in the universe, has already been answered by our own personal experience that had nothing to do with conventional aircraft whatsover.

Hold on a minute!! Beside EVP, ESP, Bermuda triangle and ghosts, Skyeagle has claimed to know were Noas ark is??? Poor skyeagle, after all this copy and paste from old documents about UFOs...What did you do, just wake up one morning thinking....-I think Ill go with the aliens are here thing...after all I think I saw one of their space ships a wile back.

This is getting better and better.

I bet you can post as much about the other of your favorite fantasies as you do about the Aliens .


But please tell me I missunderstood that last part...Are you also one of those "911 was an inside job" people!!?

Lol, skyeagle, give it up mate, your not going to convince people with evidence such as newspaper articles and articles off the internet. I'm sorry, but you shouldn't believe everything the newspaper says, seeing as it doesn't really use actual proper evidence, it is a reporter chunking and axing information so that it fits a certain number of words. I'm sorry to say this skyeagle, but you've lost, and you shoulda realised by now that you can't provide the evidence, give it up and let others show you other angles of this topic, discussion and argument.


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Im about ready to pull the trigger on that smoking gun LoL UFO hunters was about some of those skyeagle reports Iran,Peru ?

Did I say that?!



Cut and paste information that is also available under the FOIA in regards to declassified government UFO documents, but then again, since some skeptics are not in the habit of doing any homework at all, they wouldn't have known that.

It should be: poor skeptics who don't learn from history when dealing with someone who did their homework and I can list some examples if you want, where the skeptics learned things the hard way, as history has shown. If they did their homework properly, they would have found that I have been correct on the issues and that the government has in fact, been experimenting in the paranormal with the assistance of Stanford University, California, and that the government had spent $20 million dollars on psychic spies for 20 years, but heck, it has been on the public airwares for years that the government was in fact, doing so, and look what you posted!!

It is no longer a secret anymore that the airlines and the FAA have been involved in the paranormal as well and I cited two well-known cases, but the skeptics wouldn't have known that because they are not in the habit of doing their homework, and instead, they let the skeptical websites do it for them, but those websites have bitten the dust to the point ithere is no need for them to get up anymore because they are going to hit the dust again.

So you see, not doing your homework properly or not doing it at all, is detrimental to your case, and if you had done your homework properly, you would have found as to why I am correct on the issues.

It is all part of the overall puzzle.



Lost??? LOL!!! Not withi more than 100,000 unexplained UFO case files still opened and other evidence presented that has not been refuted by the skeptics!!

I heard it all before from the skeptics and as history has shown, the skeptics were the ones who have bitten the dust and if you like, I will post some very clear examples as well that were very amusing when the facts were eventually revealed.

Now, the challenge is for you to refute any of the cases I have presented and if you are unable to do so, then it will mean another notch on my stock and rest my case that the skeptics don't do their homework properly, if at all.

I missed the program, darn!

I was very familiar with the Iranian incidents of 1976, and it was that incident that was being withheld from the public until it was reveaed, as has been the case with other UFO incidents. That case went all the way up to the White House. One of the Iranian pilots involved in that incident has now come forward on what happened and Aerojet engineers have revealed that NORAD's DSP satellite recorded the aerial encoounter and tracked the UFOs.

http://www.nsa.gov/ufo/ufo00017.pdf

QUOTE

Hazzard,

A bit off-topic, but let's just say that I am doing you a favor in revealing what you didn't know about what the government has been doing with your tax dollars. Goes to show why it is not prudent to ridicule that, for which you do not have an understanding.

I have been aware of these programs for decades and was amused that some skeptics ridiculed that, for not only has been a well-known history, but public knowledge as well, and much in the same way they ridiculed UFOs, so there is a connection as to why they end up on the wrong side of the fence on the issues.

Goes to show why some skeptics tend to place themselves on the wrong side of the fence time and again, especially on UFOs, or should I say, "flying saucers! I learned years ago that the Soviets were experimenting in such research and why the U. S. govenment became alarmed.

Your tax dollars at work that you didn't know about and let's just say that skyeagle is teaching another lesson for the skeptics because they didn't know and the reason is, they didn't do their homework so now, someone has to do it for them.




And yes, I have been correct on the other issues as well, so is it any wonder as to why the skeptics have found themselves ridiculing that, for which many of the public had already known for years???

I guess the skeptics were left out of the loop and why they ridiculed that, for which is already history to other well-infomed folks!

Fantasies to you, but not to the real world as evident in what I sent to Hazzard. Check it out find why I am adding another notich on my stock in regards to your post because you didn't know what has been public knowledge for decades, and that was the result of not doing your homework.

Why is it that I always have to post historical facts to prove the skeptics wrong when they should have known the facts in the first place?!

Nice landing debunker, but next time, lower your landing gear!

And you should learn how to fly with your eyes open.

Um, why do you think the CIA canned their "remote viewing" program skyeagle409?

Need a hint?

Why did the CIA retain 3 of their psychic spies after the budget was cut? That, after 20 years and $20 million dollars spent on the program.

HINT!!!

If true, maybe these CIA "spies" were more than just supposed"psychics." Ever consider that? Fact is, the CIA's attempts at using psychics for RV didn't work. They canned the program. That's public knowledge.

Deal with it.

And, they retained 3 of the psychic spies after 20 years after their budget was cut, and that is public knowledge as well. HINT!!!

The program would have been cancelled the first year if no results were evident, and that is yet another hint!

G.E.P.A.N---UFO

http://www.nsa.gov/ufo/ufo00012.pdf

Look what else came down the pipeline.

___________________________________________________________

Tehran Dogfight

'For the first time, General Parviz Jafari, one of the Iranian Air Force pilots who actually flew the chase mission, describes one of the most credible of all UFO encounters, the famed “Tehran Dogfight.”

"He gave us his firsthand account of personally chasing this UFO across the skies over Tehran. This interview, conducted by Whitley Strieber and Dr. Roger Leir, is a worldwide first. No pilot who participated in the dogfight has ever come forward before."

___________________________________________________________


UFO reality revelations from official government sources are spreading around the globe at an even faster pace than I expected, and it is just a matter of time before full disclosure is made and needless to say, I am very dellighted that now, nations are confirming that the UFOs in question, are in fact, intelligently-controlled vehicles!!

But then again, they are just confirming what I have been asserting for years!

Sure seems like you are saying you know where said ark is...
In your own words-


More Vintage Skyeagle409 (seems the g-men are a little behind the 8 ball with this disclosure. Ah well, I'll say you got it wrong if nothing's revealed by 2020 ).

So, military man, explain how the Stargate Program could have verified results in the Cold War context it was used in 20 years, let alone one? They couldn't verify anything because they had no HUMINT in place in the USSR to do so. I'm beginning to find it hard to believe you need to be told this by me, a non-military bloke.
Need a hint? Heh, I think you do ---> http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/air1995.pdf

B-U-S-T-E-D !

Apparently, the skeptics are not as sharp as they think. After all, if they had done their homework properly at all, they would have found that I was correct on all counts,, and did I say that??? I should did!!!

Now, you know why engineers at Aerojet have been revealing data and documents from their own surveillance systems that have been tracking UFOs flying in from deep space, up to 500 times per year, but the skeptics didn't know that because they don't do their homework properly, if at all.



Amongst some of the of the believers you mentioned.

* Astronauts and cosmonauts

* Commercial and military aircrews

* Senior Military and other military personnel from around the glove

* Radar Operators

* Police officials

* Doctors

* Scientist and engineers

* Astronomers

* Millions of other people around the globe over the centuries

Now, looking at the skeptics camp, they had depended on the likes of Donald Menzel, Phil Klass, Tim Printy, and CSICOP; all who have gone down in flames when they sought to debunk UFO cases as Venues, Juptier, and even Mars, even though the objects were tracked on radar as they maneuvered around aircraft and then jumped on the burning bandwagon when Phill Klass claimed that the UFO that flew near a satellite, was an SR-71.

Seems the skeptics don't deal in reality at all



I am very sure that Farrell doens't harbor bad feelings against me as Tim Printy.




I want to hit on what you have just posted above.



Now, provide the date that I posted that message, and note that over the past few years, the U. S. govenment has been releasing declassified UFO files from the National Archives, some of which I have posted here on this message board and as reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, which are also available under the FOIA. In other words, the government HAS been releasing its UFO files, and since then hundreds of government and military officials, and former government and military officials have since come forward and asserted that UFOs are in fact, very real and they are willling to testify under oath as well.

Now, other countries have begun releasing their own secret UFO files.

And, amongst that for which you posted above that I had mention. here it is in case you missed it.



Seems that the skeptics were unaware that what I posted, was already common knowledge within the public realm. I guess the skeptics were too busy doing other things than their homework.