High ranking military officers involved with the Disclosure Project are not offering mere opinions.

They are relating first hand observation and experience.

Ther are 3 possibilities re. the Disclosure Project.

The 400+ people, many of them high ranking military officers are.....

1. All lying.

2. Are mistaken or have been duped.

3 Are telling the truth.

Because of the numbers invovled and their obvious intelligence/extensive experience......1 + 2 are so unlikely
that they can be dismissed......which leaves us with.....3. They are telling the truth.

The truth that they are telling is so incredible and bizarre....that it takes a while to take it all in.

Then....if it is all true....which is the only logical conclusion to come to....and coupled with the fact that it has
all been kept from the general public....(who, in the main, have actually financed the whole thing, via taxes)

This whole thing constitutes the biggest and most outrageous cover up in human history! It's as big as that.

That is exactly what I was trying to say, thanks hazz...

Well Skyeagle?! I noticed that you avoided to reply to that and "cherry picked" something compleatly different to talk about....

There are two fallacies in play here:

Argument from authority. Just because high ranking military officials declare something, doesn't necessarily make it true. The last I saw, these people are just as human as anyone else, and can make mistakes. (To be fair, it doesn't necessarily make them wrong, but it is wrong to hang your hat on the sole fact that "These people are high in the military, so they must know what they're talking about!")

Argument from numbers: If a large number of people believe something, it must be true. Not necessarily. For instance, just because thousands of people read their horoscopes in the newspaper doesn't make astrology true.

So we come back again to the fact that this "biggest and most outrageous cover up in human history!" is arguably also the worst kept secret in human history!

Some of the 'ETs'.....are.....according to some of the 'Disclosure'.......timetravelers from our future.

Which in itself is pretty mind-blowing.

I presume that because of the distances required to come here from other star-systems....working with
the time-dimension is going to be integral to any long distance travel......for ETs who are not 'us in the future'.

I don't know what kind of 'unknown exotic' explanation could undermine all the testimony from the 400+
people in the Disclosure Project? Would you personally like to hazzard a guess on what it might be?

It is NOW!

The internet and the Disclosure Project has changed EVERYTHING regarding 'THE SECRET'.......

Are you saying that SkyEagle's contention that full disclosure within 15 years is wrong?

When will everything be made public then?

Why isn't most of the blogosphere concerned about this instead of petty politics? It seems pretty newsworthy if true.

I have absolutely no doubt that UFOs exist. I myself had a frightening sighting in my youth, as well as having seen several mysterious objects and lights in the sky throughout my adult life.

But despite all of the info you've posted, along with my own experiences, no proof has surfaced that any of those were alien craft. And regardless of the rank of the military officers making statements that UFOs are being piloted by ETs, unless they provide irrefutable physical evidence to support their assertions, then their claims hold no more significance than someone claiming they saw a real unicorn.

Of course. How could I have forgotten about the evil guv'munt's and their military storm trooper's conspiracy to cover up the proof of ETs?

It's ironic how sky relies so heavily on military data to make his point while you turn it around and imply that the same military is involved in a cover up.

Whatever suits their needs at any given moment.

No.....



I've no idea......but the information is creeping into the public arena...and so in a sense it is being
made public now.....you are, of course...talking about the 'authorities' making it public.....but this
is a tough one for them....as they're the ones who have been keeping it secret.....and they will have
to frame any 'full disclosure' in such a way that won't make the public very angry/annoyed at being
kept in the dark!




This is too simplistic...... the disclosures being made are related to real places, times and are interwoven
into military and political situations. Comparing it to....er.....claiming unicorns are real is a non starter....

But this is why the you-know-what is really hitting the fan......because these people disclosing what they
know....are breaking rank.....they are people who used to be subject to top-secret clearance......they are
'insiders' who for reasons of conscience are blowing the lid off the whole thing..these people are more or
less putting their LIVES on the line....to get the information out to the public.

History has shown before that the "authorities" don't have to be the first to make the secret public. Friedman loves the term "Cosmic Watergate", so it'd be fitting that there'd be a "Cosmic Deepthroat" to spill the beans to the mainstream media or blogs--in such a way as to be convincing, that is.

Sticking with the Watergate theme, Woodward and Bernstein kept up the investigation to the point where the gov't had no choice but to investigate/admit what they'd covered up.

The fact that the same thing hasn't happened with regard to UFOs is quite telling, especially with all the high ranking military blabbermouths running around for the last few decades screaming from the rooftops that the aliens have landed.

Anyone wanting to see the Disclosure Project Video can google it......and it can also be found
on this forum, in the Video section (back around the middle of March)


Some in depth interviews with some of the people involved can be found

here........PROJECT CAMELOT INTERVIEWS

I HIGHLY recommend the Project Camelot site..........

Why do they have to be evil? They could just be acting quite logically.
I thought we established wwaaay back in thread (via MID's scenario) that only the military..(US) Added bonus of NORAD.
Had the means to identify said UFO's... or the Disks...

The Disclosure Project was BS. Steven Greer promised us evidence of Aliens here on a visit. What a load..! After I had seen it I fealt robbed. I didnt buy the DVD or anything, I fealt robbed of time, time I could have spent watching Star Trek or some other scifi soap opera.

He promised us evidence...what did we get..lots of stories and bla, bla about 50 different alien lif forms(!) It takes a HUGH leap of faith, or you really must be desperate, to believe in this crap.


Full disclosure...YEA RIGHT!!

Ok, so we have established, that there is no conclusion, what about us, what do you think/ know we are. It's great to speculate about all of this, but to truly understand aliens, we must first understand oursleves!


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

I think maybe you should stick to Star Trek.

The Disclosure Project and all the implications that come with it.....is quite complex.






It's up to the individual to come to a conclusion on this matter.....YOU may not have come to a conclusion
yourself.....and to be a 'don't know' or a 'haven't decided yet' is ok.

Lets just wait and see? Hum,thats another great American oxymoron. " Like I`ll belive it when I see It!". Try this I`ll See it when I belive it! What the Bleep was I thinking?

I agree and I am familiar with some of those cases that were presented and one of them was the 1986 JAL B-747 that encountered a gigantic UFO, and weeks later, possibly the same craft was encountered by another commercial airliner and an Air Force KC-135.

I didn't avoid his reply!

You can review, when I am through with you!

Now, when are you going to refute the data evidence I presented that had the radar in STT mode? What is STT mode and what does it mean?

With that, why is it that since the radars of both aircraft were in STT mode, that I have stated that data depicts an alien craft?

A hint and the keyword is: "grab."

If you grab a wild cat by the feet, then you will know that you've got a wild cat by the feet, so how does that apply of an air intercept radar in STT mode?

I made a claim and it seems that you are either unwilling or unable to try and refute the facts on the issue.

You can go around just about any airport at night and see moving lights in the sky, or even from your own home, but the question is; what was it about certain lights that caused people to think that they had nothing to do with aircraft?

I once mentioned that my own aircraft was once mistakened for a UFO and one of our KC-10s as well, but if you saw a KC-10 with all of its formation and position lights on at the same time, it almost almost like a flying Christmas tree and most people have never seen such a sight at night.



Radar data is considered a form of physical evidence in the aviation community and the FAA and the NTSB have used radar data as evidence in many cases involving aircraft accidents to verify incidents as they happened.

Once again, the issue was: were there wooden ships built that were over 300 feet in length and the answer is, yes, there were wooden ships that were built over 300 feet.

Now, I am back in California for the weekend before heading back to Texas on Sunday, so I will visit the library tomorrow. I last read that article back in the 1990s. Remember, you confirmed that fact when you posted this link that listed wooden ships over 300 feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world...st_wooden_ships

Heres a linK: Largest Wooden ships

Actually, it has and why one other expert who concurred in that video, was a professor who taught at a military institute. He made that comment after the lead F-16 pilot was interviewed on video.



In the exact same way when the skeptics claimed their undenial evidence proved that a weather balloon was involved in the Roswell incident and you know where their so-called "undenial evidence went! in 1994



There are believers who became believers after encountering flying saucers that flew around their own aircraft, both military and commercial aircrews I am sure you are aware of statements made by a B-52 that the UFO their encountered was that of ET.



The skeptics said much the same thing when I asserted the a Project Mogul balloon flight 4 never occurred, so is it any wonder that facts on Project Mogul have been revealed recently and why there are now former Mogul balloon flight 4 believers.



I heard it all before, Hazzard, and once again, I can revert to many post to bear out my claims.



Yes, and how about trying your hand at refuting the data. Since you are a helicopter pilot, what does MSL and SL have to do with the object's altitude over a certain location, which was read on radar in STT mode as; "0000 Break Lock?"





I did and challenged you to use your knowledge in MSL and SL, to prove me correct on one part of the radar data, and remember, you are an aviator who knows what I am driving at, and that is, to prove to debunker just how correct I am.

Are you up to the task???

Thanks!

One of those ships listed, had a length of 450 feet.

The above quoted post is number 1452, page 97, this thread. Emphasis re the Egyptian boats mine.

No one denies the wooden ships "over 300 feet" claim--but you seem to not be able to back up your claim of Egyptian boats "at least 525 feet" in length.

If you can give me the Time-Life book series, book, and page, then I'll be more likely to confirm your claim (assuming it's not on the web).

If you cannot give specific information so I can confirm your claim, I'd appreciate it if you'd retract it and admit you were wrong. But you made the claim, and it's up to you to back it up.


Which one? Was it Egyptian? I think not. I'll quote from the link:


If you can't back up this claim, and admit you're wrong, why should you have credibility on your other claims?

Oh, and not one ship in the Wiki link lists a boat, ship, or other wooden structure 525 feet in length.

You lose.

Hop on one of those Janet planes Skyeagle and come to texas for a ufo meet in stephenville chickenfried stks and good stories to tell.

If you were following the thread, you would have found that a skeptic of the 1990s had made that claim and I disagreed with his claim that no wooded ship could be built over 300 feet, and you posted the facts that proved him wrong.

Heading back to Texas on Sunday.

I did no such thing. I posted facts that show there have been wooden ships built that exceed 300 feet. You made the claim that Egyptians built ships at least 525 feet long. Please don't twist my words again, because you're implying I proved you right, and that's simply not the case.

What are you doing in texas, something about stephenville?

Smack! Smack! now we need nobody comparing wood size in here its a family freindly forum LoL

I am working on a contract for the U.S. Army, but I will be looking into it while there.

Well then, you did just what I said you had done, and that is, you proved the guy wrong by posting a list of wooden ships over 300 feet long, because he didn't believe there were wooden ships built that were over 300 feet in length. Case-closed!

To prey on the guillibile...you perhaps? The 'Disclosure' "Smoking Gun" fired blanks, but I don't think it was really about ET. People forked over coin to hear how our little blue planet, and in extension ourselves, are so important that light years and time itself is no hurdle.... an adult 'Santa Claus' syndrome IMO. Some would, instead of implying ET or time-travelers, would promote deities. Did I miss anything?

The case is never closed. Drop the Ark hokum, even most Christians don't take it literally... 2 mosquitos? Get real!

LOL!!

Some of those cases were no only well-documented, but has been public knowledge for years now and look what you posted!



No wonder you are not up to speed on the facts; you don't do any homework, otherwise, you would have found that the cases were valid and documented as well and look what you posted.

A case that was covered by the Disclosure Project that you were unaware of. Even UFO debunker, Phil Klass knew that this incident happened, and you didn't!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwvYmIdhUpM...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MQ1LtD_Sxg

http://www.ufocasebook.com/jal1628.html



The data tapes confirmed the accounts that the B-747 was in fact, trailed by UFOs, one of which was described as large as two aircraft carriers.

And, now, another incident that has been well-known and covered by the Disclosure Project.



How come you were unaware of those incidents when they were history and well-document already???

Facts are facts, and you were on the wrong side of the fence as proven by the documents I posted.

Many do!

It's so obvious now. Ohh reality is indeed a wet feeling. Ingo Swann was telling the truth all along. Sylvia Browne knows it too. Psychics have definitley confirmed that UFO=ETI. How could we have missed that painfully obvious 'evidence'?
Evidence Hoagland isn't a raving luna-tic Link
Proof of hollow earth/Underground UFO bases (those crazy germans were on the right track) Link

And for all those who believe the disclosure movement and it's mantra of 'ET's who come in peace'... This should open your eyes-


University students and professors, do you ever wonder what your research grant is really for?

Who'd have thought that TPTB would be interested in research that could give them an edge?

And as for the face on Mars...
I'm sure I read somewhere that Ingo had AP'd there and found nothing. But there's some nice High-res. pictures of that region posted in one of the recent Mars images threads on this board...

Speaking of 'Stargate' you can buy the whole set for $195. What a bargin for FOI documents... Link

I am very sure that there are those who were not psychics who knew that UFOs are a reality.



I am not interested in Hoagland.



Why shouldn't we?! After all, my base was involved in the investigation regarding the case of the Minuteman missiles and some of the other cases were already verified even before the Disclosure Project came into being.



It would be a prudent move for NASA to send a probe to the Cydonia region.

Ok, please show just one post in this thread where someone said "there's no such thing as UFOs", since apparently you're the only one arguing that they're real



So does that mean Swann was lying? After all Hoagland has been producing proof that would back up Swann's claim..



Disclosure movement= Disclosure Project, Project Camelot, DPNY, Michael Sala/Exopolitics.org, other independent 'whistleblowers', etc...
None of which, AFAIK, have openly acknowledged that ET was doing covert/black ops for Uncle Sam. If anything they tell it the other way, that you're working for ET (and ET comes in peace).



Already been done. Search for that thread. I think the guy who started it is 'KS15'. Those photos are much better than the ones from Viking (which Hoagland still uses as his 'proof').I'm sure someone with your experience will see what I see in those pictures.

I don't think we're alone here in the universe that's for sure. But if there are aliens here on Earth, or if they've even ever been here, that I'm rather unsure about. There are many things that indicates the possibility though, and there is no doubt "something" is going on. The question is "what is going on?". There are also things that indicates that the whole alien thing is staged, something created to make us believe it is real, even a threat. There's things that indicates that UFO's are manmade secret technology, yet there are things in ancient history that indicates someone came from somewhere else with such technology.

The bottom line is, I have never seen any real evidence to support any of these theories, but I HAVE seen UFO's, or what I would rather call "obvious technological strange flying craft of some advanced sort". The problem is I didnt see the pilots, if there even were pilots, so I don't know who made it or where it came from. But as I've seen such crafts, more than once and with witnesses, I know they exist, I just dont know what they are.

So yes I do believe, not only believe, but I know without any doubt in my mind, that strange flying crafts exists because I've seen them up close a couple times. But I've never seen any aliens here on Earth, so I don't know if aliens got anything to do with that at all.

It would be interesting to find some real evidence on who made them, where they're from, and what they are for. But so far this is a topic i've been studying and researching for years without seeing any good evidence towards anything, except for the fact that these things whatever they are exists.. :/

Ok, so what about Roswell, what irrefutable evidence can you provide, skyeagle about the roswell incident?



Oh, and before you post all of your old C.RA.P, I suggest that you leave off the crummy illegible news reports. I would like to point out agin, that newspapers are not irrefutable evidence, QUITE the opposite in fact. Reporters butcher information to fit a word deadline, so no newspaper reports!!


I am also going to say this, any evidence that you do provide must be at least worth an argument. Then I will be happy with what you say Skyeagle, because up til now, I must say I've been feeling let down with your irrefutable evidence on radr data, and newspaper reports.


Oh and please don't dodge this, because eneryone knows you like to 'Cherry pick' the posts you like and don't like.



Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

*Groan* Why'd you have to go dropping the 'R' word? What you've seen here is exactly the same proof for Roswell. Good ol' Skybasher can make the argument fit anything where the letters U,F and O appear toghether.
Despite the fact that anyone else can see that the RDR article was a last minute rewrite to fit the press release and create an even more sensational article out of a 'respected local citizen's' UFO sighting, ol' Skybasher knows we're reading it the wrong way.
Where it says 'No Details of Flying Disk Are Revealed', actually means it's an ET spaceship (the rest of us don't know how to read it) and I'm not interested in having this argument again, so do a search for the threads and you'll see what I mean.
There's no point inviting a hijacking of this thread to yet another pointless 'Roswell' discussion (though given the nature of the 'evidence' it'll probably look just like the rest of his circular argument)...

I could not agree more Evangium.

Let the R word R.I.P. Its a dead end. It offers no answers..

Unless of course, you can like Skyeagle, "read between the lines".

Who knew this thread would have 103 pages. Everyone is posting in here now instead of posting threads in the topic. Is this a record? 103 pages in two months?

Can ayone offer a summary of this?

Lol, that will never happen master yoda!!! Coclusion, there is not. Has this really been going on for 2 months, I thought it was more, lol!!! Master yoda is AWESOME!!!!!!!



Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Lol, don't care what YOU say lol Nah, you have a point. Skyeagle would asscociate balancing plates on those sticks with UFO's I find it amusing what skyeagle posts. But seriously, please skyeagle say what I am going to predict you are going to say, don't be put off by THIS jedi master!!!!!! Ok, please, I don't want to search threads, please skyeagle, fulfill your destiny!!!!!!!

I would just like to add that this thread has been thoroughly enjoyable to read, not just because of the subject, but that the debate has been conducted in such a gentlemanly manner. I think both sides of the fence (as it were) have immeasurable patience to provide argument and counter argument for sooo long.
I hope this thread carries on for another 100 lol!

I just wish I knew more of the subject to contribute!