Is there any info about what conclusions they came to 40 years ago?

No, it wasn' just anything, and the Air Force wouldn't have released such a report to the whole world over a mundane object of no significance nor would the commander allowed such a sensational report be released unless he was absolutely sure the debrse he examined was not of this earth and that is why the Air Force release the story that it had captured a flying saucer.



Apparently, millions don't agree with you and now, the FOIA has confirmed that the UFOs in question are not ours with the release of declassified government files and government workers and and former government workers who have verfied those files. In fact, I even posted the documents from the DoD verifying the accounts over Iran in 1976, and it were those documents that were being withheld from the public.

So is it any wonder why countries around the globe have stated over the past few years that the UFOs in question are intelligently controlled crafts and the specifics of the performances, exclude ALL aircraft. And, I expect the number of countries to grow in regards to the release of more files.

Your point? Besides the fact that I never said Congress has never held an investigation--

But since you brought that particular session up, what were the results? My guess is negative, since we're still waiting on disclosure. Had the 90th Congress found that we are being visited, I would think disclosure would've occurred in the intervening 40 years, no?

Here's a quote from Dr. Sagan at that symposium:

http://www.project1947.com/shg/symposium/sagan.html#stmt0

If there is proof from that symposium negating Dr. Sagan's statement that he didn't think UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin, present it. In other words, just to make myself clear, if anyone at that symposium presented proof that UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin, and intelligently controlled vehicles, as you consistently state, then show me.

Edit to fix quote box.

The Air Force concluded in 1948 under the EOTS, that some UFOs were "interplanetary spaceships," and the Air Force's own 1952 Intelligence report on UFO maneuvers reconfirmed that some UFOs were not ours. General Holt Vandenberg then ordered the EOTS destroyed, to the dismay of the scientist and Air Force officers at Wright-Patterson AFB.

Major Dewey Fournet, USAF

what happened before congress in 1966 and in 1968?

Apparently, you weren't aware that UFOs were brought up before members of congress and there is more that involved members of congress as well. Do you know what they were?

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if it's the US Congress, or any judicial district in the US. It can be any legal body in the world--as long as the evidence is sound. Meaning it must pass the legal and scientific bar of proof in the same way as a prosecutor charging a criminal with murder. My reasoning is if Earth is being visited by ET, then it makes no difference if they're visiting London, Sao Paulo Brazil, Geneva Switzerland, or Mobile Alabama.

Sorry.....but what does EOTS stand for?




What were they....?

Yes....a court of law must have strict standards.......but imagine....if physical evidence was legally requested...
and possibly very senior political and military people were called to the stand at the request of the 'Disclosure
Group'......(I the surpose they would have to be the prosecutors???) And I wonder what the charge would be....and
against who?

Yes, but what's the point? My point, that I make as clearly as I'm able, without having to resort to forcing people to read between the lines, is that it makes no difference if every Congress since the First Continental Congress in 1774 up to the present one investigated UFOs. You have no definite proof that aliens have visited Earth. Nor any proof that aliens even exist.

And again, your cherry picking the things that supports you belief. They have said lots of things about Roswell, no? In the end all you have is lots of eye-witness stories and that AF first news release. Could it have been a coverstory for something else, who knows what, a lost nuke?? Sure it could.



I dont care. Let me remind you that there are about 2 Billion people today that believes that two thousand years ago the son of a carpenter could walk on water. Five hundred years ago witches were all over the place. The classical period of witch hunts in Europe falls into the Early Modern period or about 1450 to 1700, spanning the upheavals of the Reformation resulting in tens of thousands of executions.(!) Were witches real!?



And I expect those files to be more of the same ol same. Not the "smoking gun we all have been waiting for.

What if the ETs attend the legal hearing before Congress.....or anywhere else........would THAT be
proof enough for you.....

As long as it's not this guy!

If they were proven to actually be ET then I would accept that. I'm a hard sell.

I agree. We need independent scientific verification to convince me as well. Especially as circumstantial evidence unfortunately tends to point in the opposite direction. And by that circumstantial evidence I mean:

1) Scientists aren't exactly crawling over each other to proclaim that ET is visiting, rather the opposite
2) We haven't seen any disclosures of any significant kind, only lots of unsubstantiated assertions
3) We haven't seen any leaps in technology that could be the reverse engineering of an ET craft (or maybe we simply don't have the technology to do so, despite we are a rather crafty species)
4) The major Governments here on Earth seems much more interested in each other, although if they knew ET was visiting I would suspect they would focus on that instead

Especially the latter I find rather damning. But that is of course just my personal opinion.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Maybe it WOULD be that guy ...but he/she/it would have to wear clothes, of course.....




Ok......so would an ET demonstrating a nifty interdimensional trick....and then letting
you give them a nice big hug....suffice?


Ditto for you Badeskov...

That would indeed be preferable



Yes, without the hug

Cheers,
Badeskov

An interdimensional display of some sort and not something that can be called a "trick", then sure.

As for the hug, if it were a she, and she was hot looking, then why not?

Presumably Greys don't wear clothes, or suits of any kind, or do they?

Probably not, since I can be fooled by stage magic, but that doesn't mean everyone would be fooled. But if this ET would consent to giving a DNA (or equivilent) sample to be tested, then I'd probably be convinced.

As for the hug, I'd forgo the ET and let Michele Pfeiffer hug me!

Ok you guys......now we know what's required for your very strict levels of proof........

An inter-dimensional DEMONSTRATION, by a clothed ET, of the Nordic variety, in a court of
law, followed by a HUG (optional) and a DNA sample......

For me, something from the ship, alien body... or clothes ..analysed by skeptical scientists from around the world, like with the moon rocks, conferming that this material could not have come from our starsystem...that would do it for me.

Make that.....
An inter-dimensional DEMONSTRATION, by a clothed ET, of the Nordic variety, in a court of
law, followed by a HUG (optional) and a DNA sample......a piece of the craft
... some of the ETs clothes/space-suit ....and extensive
analysis from (skeptical) scientists from all countries of the earth......

are we done?

Yes.... except for the Interdimentional demonstration and court of law part??

Its hazzards turn againLoL

"The Estimate of the Situation." It fell under Project Sign, Wright-Patterson AFB.

Since the shoe fits, why not wear it?!



In the beginning, the Air Force reported it captured a flying saucer and the rest is history, so once again, the Air Force started it all. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c...uly8%2C1947.jpg




Seriously, do you really believe the Air Force would have waiting several days for a civilian sheriff to report that they had lost a nuke??? I don't think so!!!

The fact that a sheriff did notify them, is testiment that what crashed had nothing to do with any classified program; nuclear or otherwise.




Don't forget that scientist once scoffed at reports of rocks falling from the sky, which we know today, as meteors.

I might also add that we have lot's of data and other evidence on the reality of UFOs in quesion, which can be examined time and again.



Don't forget that scientist once scoffed of reports of a man-beast of Africa during the early 1800s, which we know today as the gorilla.



Ever wondered why nations around the globe and government and former government workers are now coming forward and revealing that the UFOs in question, are of intelligently controlled crafts?



Ever wondered why the FOIA has now confirmed that the UFOs in question, are not only real and intelligently controlled, but documented cases where they actually landed near military bases and other nuclear facilities and in some of those cases, even blacked out radars during the process?

Does anyone wonder - if there are extraterrestrials visiting earth - why they don't show themselves openly ? Sure, many sightings, some impressive ones, but never any long-term and repeated displays to prove positively to the entire world that they are indeed here.

It seems to me that if ETs intended for the world to know unequivocally of their existence, they would take steps in that direction. An armada of five hundred ships over each major city of the world hovering for a whole week, for example.

It's clear the major obstacle to any revelation of an ET presence on Earth is the fact ( it would appear) the ETs do not want the world at large to be convinced of their existence.

The facts surrounding government withholding UFO reports from the public was evident when the CIA was taken to court and afterwards, lot's of government UFO files that were withheld from the public, were released.

Reports have been increasing laterly. And, it is rather difficult observing UFOs at and above, 90,000 feet unless you have radar or other optical and tracking devices.




Not quite five hundred ships over this major city, but ithey did make an impressive showing over a week in July 1952



In 1969, an Air Force study had proven that temperature inversion cannot cause the kind of UFO icidents that took place over Washington D.C. in 1952. In fact, it would have been impossible.

You know what mainstream science and the skeptics thisk about your "lots of data and other evidence"! Believers would ask about Roswell, UFO sightings and alien abductions. The problem I have with the whole Roswell/government conspiracy thing is that there is not one piece of physical evidence.

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About mainstream science and UFOs:



As you can plainly see, mainstream science has made a mockery of itself over the years and you used them for your support???

Don't forget, many of those who have indicated that the UFOs in question are those of ET, are scientist.

In regards to the closed-minded skeptics, you have to remember that they are the folks who've claimed that multiple UFOs circling around an aircraft within Earth's atmosphere, which were also tracked on ground-based radars, was Jupiter.

Those particular skeptics wouldn't know evidence if it slapped them upside their heads as clearly indicated in their responses to known UFO case files.




That isn't what those who were involved have said, including those at Wright-Patterson AFB, and as I've said before, just because you don't have, doesn't exclude those who do!

Heads I win, tails you lose.

Mainstream science makes a mockery of itself, so it can't be trusted (when it doesn't support your position).

Mainstream scientists are to be believed because they indicate that ET exists, and have visited us, so it can be trusted (when it does support your position).

You want it both ways, and that's not how it works.

Support my position???

As I said earlier, some of those UFO case files were made by scientist.

As clearly indicated in the so-called scientifc study known as the Colorado Study, made a mockery of itself and even the media had a field day with the unscientific conclusion of that scientific study, especially when the Denver Post editorial depicted in a cartoon of Dr. Condon being abducted by aliens and his associate hollers at Dr. Condon to just tell the aliens he doesn't' believe in them.

Mainstream science has had years to get its act together and as you can plainly see in the links, they have blown it.

That is Skyeagle in a nutshell. He has show over and over again that he compleatly lacks the abillity to see this logical fallacy, and is far from alone, UFOlogy is the mythology of the space age. Instead of angels and witches we now have extraterrestrials.

The main reasons for believing that some UFOs are alien spaceships is the questionable interpretations of visual experiences, the testimony of many people, the inability to distinguish science fiction from science, the willingness to trust pseudo scientists, money/fame hungry people and incompetent men telling fantastic stories, the believers ability amazes me, to distrust all contrary sources as being part of an evil conspiracy to withhold the truth, and a desire for contact with the world above.

There are as many photographs of UFOs as there are of the Loch Ness Monster, and they are of equal quality: blurs and forgeries. Oddly, the advent of inexpensive video cameras has corresponded to a decrease in UFO sightings. Other physical evidence, such as alleged debris from alien crashes, or burn marks on the ground from alien landings, or implants in noses or brains of alien abductees, have turned out to be quite terrestrial, including forgeries.

There has never, EVER, been a recurring identical UFO experience and there is no physical evidence in support of either a alien spaceship flyby or landing.

And, I am right, as you can plainly read in the links concerning mainstream science, which has made of mockery of itself over the years, but as usual, you have ignored that fact that many of the UFO case files and documents were produced by scientist.



That is just another ploy used by closed-minded skeptics when their backs are against the wall, since many photos are clear enough to see that the objects were not aircraft at all. An example:

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Tridade UFO

[No suspicion of hoax was uncovered by J. Escobar Faria, Sao Paulo attorney (NICAP Adviser), Dr. Olavo Fontes, M.D., in Rio dejaneiro (APRO Spec ial Representative), or other Brazilian correspondents in a position to ascertain the facts.]


Source Item 39. Trindade Isle, Brazil from the UFO EVIDENCE, Section VIII, page 90, and "Trindade Island Photo Case Directory" from the NICAP Home Page.

NICAP has carefully studied prints (but not the negatives) of the four successful exposures of a Saturn-shaped UFO, the verbal accounts and relevant facts. The UFO was sighted about noon January 16, 1958, from the deck of the Brazilian IGY ship "Almirante Saldanha" by a retired Brazilian Air Force officer, Capt. Jose Teobaldo Viegas, and Amilar Vieira Filho, chief of a group of submarine explorers on board. They alerted Almiro Barauna, an expert submarine photographer, who managed to take four successful pictures. Many other officers and men, attracted by the commotion, soon witnessed the UFO, including Capt.-Lt. Homero Ribeiro, ship's dentist. Capt. Viegas later stated: "The First view was that of a disc shining with a phosphorescent glow, which--even in daylight--appeared to be brighter than the moon. The object was about the apparent size of the full moon. As it followed its path across the sky, changing to a tilted position, its real shape was clearly outlined against the sky: that of a flattened sphere encircled, at the equator, by a large ring or platform."

"On February 25, 1958 (four days after the pictures were first publicized by the Brazilian press) United Press reported from Rio de Janeiro that the Brazilian Navy Ministry vouched for the Trindade photographs. The report went on: "Navy Minister Adm. Antonio Alves Camara said after meeting with President Juscelino Kubitschek in the summer Presidential Palace at Petropolis, that he also vouched personally for the authenticity of the pictures." This would be a curious statement to make to newsmen if the Navy had any suspicion of a hoax."

"The pictures and negatives were analyzed by both the Navy Photo Reconnaissance Laboratory and the Cruzeiro do Sul Aerophotogrammetric Service, both agreeing the pictures were authentic. The latter's written conclusion stated: "It was established that no photographic tricks are involved. The negatives are normal."

"Correspondence between U.S. UFO groups and leadingBrazilian investigators drew out many facts about the ease, including background information about other similar sightings at Trindade Isle over a period of time, all of which tends to substantiate the January 16 sighting and photographs. No suspicion of hoax was uncovered by J. Escobar Faria, Sao Paulo attorney (NICAP Adviser), Dr. Olavo Fontes, M.D., in Rio dejaneiro (APRO Spec ial Representative), or other Brazilian correspondents in a position to ascertain the facts. fSee APRO Bulletins, January, March, and May 1960 for detailed series of articles about the Trindade photographs by Dr. Fontes]. "

"Weighing all the facts, we conclude that the pictures appear to be authentic. They definitely are one of the potentially most significant series of UFO photographs on record, so that clarification of the incident and additional analysis is strongly desirable. In the interests of scientific investigation, we urge that secrecy about the case be lifted by the United States and Brazil and that a frank report of the facts be issued to the public. In particular, the full analysis reports by the Brazilian laboratories should be made available to scientists. Information currently withheld by the U.S Air Force about its investigation of the case through the American Embassy in Rio de Janeiro also should be made available to the public."

Photo:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1327/125170..._b503b123d2.jpg

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After scientific analysis had proven the flying saucer as authentic, the the President of Brazil, Juscelino Kubitschek, went public.

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Oddly, the advent of inexpensive video cameras has corresponded to a decrease in UFO sightings.

That is what you think, and here is yet another example.

UFO Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6821482599776880969

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Other physical evidence, such as alleged debris from alien crashes, or burn marks on the ground from alien landings, or implants in noses or brains of alien abductees, have turned out to be quite terrestrial, including forgeries.

We heard it all before, Hazzard, and as usual the closed-minded skeptics have been proven wrong time after time and here is yet another example of where physical eivdence was noted and found not have been a forgery as you WRONGLY suggested.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Zamora.html

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There has never, EVER, been a recurring identical UFO experience and there is no physical evidence in support of either a alien spaceship flyby or landing.

LOL!!!

A number of countries around the globe have already begun releasing their UFO files that they are real and look what you posted!

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Chile announces UFOs are for real:

On 2nd April 1997, Chilean newspaper "La Cuarta" has the following headline: "UFO Sighting of Arica is Confirmed by La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil." Chile did start to join the small number of countries who officially stated that the nature of UFOs is of intelligent driven flying machines.

A DECISIVE OBSERVATION OVER ARICA: Luis Sanchez, Chilean Director of Skywatch International said this was the first time such an organization had attached its name to a confirmed UFO observation statement. La Direccion General de Aeronautic Civil wrote that they publicly recognised that Chile was experiencing UFO sightings and that the phenomenon was real, not a natural, conventional phenomenon such as meteorotic or climatic.

Don't tell that to the government, they won't believe you.

How can I make this easy enough for you?? The released files to this day is not proof of ET. If the other, not released yet, files are more of the same, well, we still have nothing, only what we have today, the UFO mystery, things that people cant explain, thats it. Some people claim that its aliens here on a visit, and some dont believe it, because of the lack of real evidence.

A claim does not become true or reasonable if a contrary claim cannot be proved to be true. With arguments for UFOs=Aliens there are two distinct moves here.

One is to claim that no logical explanation is possible because some scientist, pilot, Air Force Colonel, or Ph.D. cannot think of one.

The other is to point to the lack of contrary evidence, no counter testimony of other eyewitnesses, no proof that there were not aliens or alien spacecraft. Here, too, there is a logical error. The fact that some genius cannot come up with an explanation for something is irrelevant to deciding whether the correct explanation should be couched in terms of visitors from outer space. The choice is not either A) we know this conventional explanation is correct or we must conclude that aliens have visited us.

It seems more reasonable to believe that the only reason we cannot explain these sightings by conventional means is because we do not have all the evidence, it is not because these sightings are due to alien visitations.



Now, YOU look at what YOU have posted.

When are you going to get the hint that you have been proven wrong time and again and I can provide some examples.






Look what they posted:

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That last statement confirms what Aerojet engneers, makers of NORAD's DSP spy satellites, have been revealing recently, and that is, NORAD has been tracking the crafts from deep space.

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Senator Barry Goldwater


"It is true that I was denied access to a facility at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, because I never got in. I can't tell you what was inside. We both know about the rumors (concerning a captured UFO and crew members). I have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have intelligent friends who have."

SENATOR BARRY GOLDWATER
US Air Force General
Presidential Candidate
Letter dated April 11, 1979

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"The subject of UFOs is one that has interested me for some long time. About ten or twelve years ago, I made an effort to find out what was in the building at Wright Patterson Air Force Base where the information is stored that has been collected by the Air Force, and I was understandably denied this request. It is still classified above Top Secret. I have, however, heard that there is a plan under way to release some -- if not all -- of this material in the near future. I'm just as anxious to see this material as you are, and I hope we will not have to wait too much longer."

SENATOR BARRY GOLDWATER
US Air Force General
Presidential Candidate
Letter dated March 28, 1975

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Are you ever wrong?


Since science has "proven" ET exists, and has been visiting us, what more needs to be done? Why do we need "disclosure"? What good would it do for the government to admit they've been covering it up all these years?

In other words, what would you do with their admission? Say "I toldja so!"? You do that already.

And if the MSM won't put the "fact" that ET has been visiting us, as scientists say, then IMO, scientists are doing a pretty crappy job of convincing them. But they seem to convince the MSM as well as the public about other, more routine discoveries.

Maybe the problem isn't that the gov't is denying all this...maybe what we have here is a failure to communicate!



My suggestion: hire some new writers. You're just posting the same thing overandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandover....do you have a macro on your computer? It must get tiring writing the same sentence repeatedly.

I gave you some real evidence, but you have shown that you don't have the expertise to deceipher the data.



On the contrary, military persoonnel and many scientist have been singing in harmony to the same tune. The name of he song? "Flying Saucers Are Real."

All you have to do is to use the FOIA to see just how right I am.




Government and former government workers have beenr revealing the government cover-up on UFOs for years, including Congressman Steven Schiff, (R-NM) who also confirmed the government cover-up in the Washington Post on January 14, 1994. What got the congressman upset was the fact the Air Force was blocking his investigation into the Roswell incident. Now, why would the Air Force go to such great length to block investigations into the Roswell incident?

The Air Force wouldn't be doing so if it had nothing to hide.



Apparently, there are closed-minded skeptics who are slow to learn reality for what it is.

If you check it out, some of the skeptics have been posting the same flawed pieces of information, so I have been responding with the same pices of factual information to where the bunk stops there, but I didn't read anything from you where the skeptics have also been repeating their same old line to where I repeat myself in response.

That doesn't answer my question.

According to the GAO report, many documents were missing, and the GAO couldn't find the hanky panky you so long for.



Are you still in the military?

What have I said about readnig between the lines and knowing the rest of the story?!

Apparently, you were unware of the specifics as noted in your post. The Air Force told the GAO it had no business getting involved in the Roswell incident after it blocked the Roswell investigations of UFO researchers and Congressman Schiff! Now, why would the Air Force want to do a thing like blocking those Roswell investigations and spend lot's of time and lot's of money on its 1994 and 1997 Roswell reports to try and throw the Roswell investigations off-track?

On other note, those Roswell documents the GAO was looking for, are missing against regulations and without authority, apparently, to keep us from knowing the rest of the story surroundng the Roswell incident and I knew that you didn't know the rest of the story by what you'd posted. Documents that were suppose to be permenant records, are also missing that could have shed some light on the Roswell incident as well.

What have I said in the past about knowledge?!

I am retired from the Air Force, but let's just say that I am still involved with the military.

Skyeagle are you still in texas? did you get a chance to see stephenville? Well I hope you at least got a chickenfreid steak in ya while you were here. Got any more stuff on Aztex New Mexico event other than whats on the web? like some wright pat stuff?

One of the most damning affadavits and testimony comes from deputy base commander Col Thomas Jefferson DuBose. He states both in video testimony and written affadavit that they were ordered by the Pentagon (General Clarence McMullen) to cover this thing up. It's funny how the Air Force, in their mid 90's report rebuking the Roswell incident, conveniently overlooked DuBose, never even mentioning him by name. Hmmmm....wonder why? Didn't toe the party line perhaps?

It's also interesting that DuBose, like Walter Haut, perhaps knew a lot more, but kept true to his oath about much of what he actually saw.

Much more on DuBose here:

http://www.roswellproof.com/dubose.html

ANOTHER CLASSIC SKYEAGLE I love it. Thats a keeper.




Wrong...You BELIEVE that the skeptics need to prove something, ...They dont...We simply find your "evidence" to be less then convincing. Thats it. If you what to make us all believers I suggest you quit wining and show us better evidence... Yea, thats right, you cant!! Because there isnt any.

Or maybe hazzard said it better...A claim does not become true, or even reasonable, if a contrary claim cannot be proved to be true.


And if you really wanna play that "I can provide some examples were you were wrong " game....

I can provide THE BEST OF - SKYEAGLE CLASSICS - for you. I might just call it "look at what you posted".





Who cares what Mr or Mrs, ex military, astronaut, police chief, Phd or the Pope THINKS!!!!

You do... I dont.

And if/when World Leaders.....maybe the US President....makes an official announcement
about the matter in the not too distant future...will you scream at the TV...."I don't care
what YOU think......show me the hard evidence......"

Yes... I mean, isnt that what people wanted with the whole Iraq matter? Why should it be any different?

Touche.......