So, sky, this is substantial proof? Ha, don't make me laugh! First off, if this evidence was strong enough, why hasn't it been fully endorsed all over the world? Secondly, how come there are skeptists if this evidence is the best there is?
Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN
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We already have the proof that the UFOs in question are not ours.
They could belong to humans from the future, therefore it is not proof of ET.
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 02:45 PM) 
If mankind is still around, sooner or later, mankind will have to leave Earth to look for another home in the universe because the Sun will not last forever.
Since the Sun is a middle-aged star, chances are, there are millions of solar systems that onced supported advanced civilzations whose own sun underwent its last days of life and chances are great that their own sun could have been millions, or even billions of years older than our own sun.
In other words, the universe could be filled with millions of highly adavnced civilizations lthat are millions of years more adanced than mankind lthat are ooking for a new home that someday, mankind will be forced to do as well, so whether "FTL" travel is possible or not, we won't have any choice in the matter when the sun dies if we want to survive.
Since the Sun is a middle-aged star, chances are, there are millions of solar systems that onced supported advanced civilzations whose own sun underwent its last days of life and chances are great that their own sun could have been millions, or even billions of years older than our own sun.
In other words, the universe could be filled with millions of highly adavnced civilizations lthat are millions of years more adanced than mankind lthat are ooking for a new home that someday, mankind will be forced to do as well, so whether "FTL" travel is possible or not, we won't have any choice in the matter when the sun dies if we want to survive.
Yep. But also, you have to remember this...the dinosaurs had hundreds of million of years to develop space flight, and they never did.... So did every thing else living throughout Earths history of 4-5 billion years. And they didnt.
If that rock, the size of Manhattan hadnt slammed into the planet 65 million years ago, wiping out the large reptiles, that little mammal that later became us, maybe never would have made it. Our moon is also vital to our existence. The large gas giants, Jupiter and Saturn are our "shields" for comets and meteors. There are MANY things like that, that must work like clock work for intelligent species to develop in pice.
I also believe that the universe is filled with millions of thinking beings.....But how many in our galaxy...well, that would be guessing game, at best.
There could be a federation of planets out there!? Or maybe.... there are mostly bacteria, and small critters, running around chasing each other on some distant planet 60 thousand LY away.
I dont think so, but......We could be alone.
QUOTE (GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN @ May 13 2008, 04:01 PM)
So, sky, this is substantial proof? Ha, don't make me laugh! First off, if this evidence was strong enough, why hasn't it been fully endorsed all over the world? Secondly, how come there are skeptists if this evidence is the best there is?
Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN
Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN
Acutally, it is just part of the overall puzzle, and is much more than what I placed before skeptics in regards to the weather balloon, and you know what happened in 1994, right?!
The skeptics found that my proof was right on the money!
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 04:05 PM)
They could belong to humans from the future, therefore it is not proof of ET.
Actually, since the future is not here yet, no humans from the future are involved.
Bringing up humans from the future is just telling me that you have accepted the fact the crafts question are real.
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 13 2008, 04:22 PM)
Yep. But also, you have to remember this...the dinosaurs had hundreds of million of years to develop space flight, and they never did....
On the other hand, mankind hasn't been around as long as the dinosarurs or even close, and already, we have traveled into space.
So what that means, there could very well be millions of civilizations that matured even faster than mankind over time.
QUOTE (hazzard @ May 13 2008, 03:22 PM)
Lets back it up a bit here. Interstellar space travel is much more difficult than indicated in movies and television series, such as Star Trek and Star Wars.
First, it is not possible to travel at speeds greater than the speed of light - the physics of the universe prevent it. Second, traveling near the speed of light is impractical for biological organisms. Collisions with particles even the size of a grain of sand would be catastrophic.
An even worse problem is that the light from ordinary stars would be blue-shifted all the way to the gamma end of the spectrum when traveling near the speed of light. These gamma rays would destroy all biological life, even if it were in suspended animation, if that were even possible.
In essence, these problems would restrict the speed of travel to well below the speed of light. The most optimistic estimate for the presence of extraterrestrial civilizations would put them 2000 light years apart.
Space travel over this distance would be impractical. So, even if we are not alone in this galaxy, it would be highly unlikely that any extraterrestrial civilization could have visited us.
What about warp drive? Lightspeed? Maybe the aliens can create wormholes and get here in essentially no time?
It doesnt matter. Ill worry about how they got here once Im convinced that theyve really made the scene. To get here they need to know were we are.
I think that the real question is, how would they know about us at all?
First, it is not possible to travel at speeds greater than the speed of light - the physics of the universe prevent it. Second, traveling near the speed of light is impractical for biological organisms. Collisions with particles even the size of a grain of sand would be catastrophic.
An even worse problem is that the light from ordinary stars would be blue-shifted all the way to the gamma end of the spectrum when traveling near the speed of light. These gamma rays would destroy all biological life, even if it were in suspended animation, if that were even possible.
In essence, these problems would restrict the speed of travel to well below the speed of light. The most optimistic estimate for the presence of extraterrestrial civilizations would put them 2000 light years apart.
Space travel over this distance would be impractical. So, even if we are not alone in this galaxy, it would be highly unlikely that any extraterrestrial civilization could have visited us.
What about warp drive? Lightspeed? Maybe the aliens can create wormholes and get here in essentially no time?
It doesnt matter. Ill worry about how they got here once Im convinced that theyve really made the scene. To get here they need to know were we are.
I think that the real question is, how would they know about us at all?
Only difficult for a mere human. How can you even begin to think that if there are aliens flying through deep space, that they wouldnt have overcome these challenges. that very naive. just use your imagination and try and think of a way to over come it. for instance (Maybe) anti gravity would mask the mass of space ship, making it basicaly massless to the physics of the universe. thats one way of overcoming lightspeed travel. also how about some kind of deflector shield for the bits of crap floating around out there? maybe this is a hard task for humans to engineer, but how can you even begin to say what that aliens might have.
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Actually, since the future is not here yet, no humans from the future are involved.
Why? I dont quite understand your argument. No the future is not here yet, thats why its called "future" and not present. Thats why I said humans from the future, not humans from the present.
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 05:39 PM)
Why? I dont quite understand your argument. No the future is not here yet, thats why its called "future" and not present. Thats why I said humans from the future, not humans from the present.
Sorry, but Mr. Reality doesn't support you in this case anymore than your plasma theory in regards to the case files in question.
QUOTE (hazzard @ May 13 2008, 12:22 PM)
Lets back it up a bit here. Interstellar space travel is much more difficult than indicated in movies and television series, such as Star Trek and Star Wars.
There were those who once said that manned flight and space travel were impossible, and now, we all can see just how far off-base they were.
I am very sure that we won't be using chemical rockets a thousand years from now.
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Sorry, but Mr. Reality doesn't support you in this case anymore than your plasma theory in regards to the case files in question.
Why? Just because you say so? Or do you have any actual valid reason?
What the FOIA documents are revealing.
NORAD Involvement
NORAD radar detected unknowns heading south-southwest at 1200 feet. Once again, two F-106s were scrambled. SAT teams at areas K-1, K-3, L-1, L-4, and L-6 reported visual sightings of objects at low altitudes. The SAT teams reported that, when the jets approached, the UFOs would turn off their lights and become invisible. Then, when the jets had gone, the UFOs would turn their lights back on. At 9:15 P.M., teams in four different locations could see both the F-106s and the UFOs. Again, at 9:35, area L-5 reported that the unknown rose rapidly until it could not be distinguished from the stars.
NORAD Region Senior Director's Log (Malmstrom AFB, Montana).
0835Z: SAT Teams K3 and L4 report visual, K3 report target at 300 feet
altituds and L4 reports target at 5 miles. Contact lost at 0820Z. F-106s
returned to base at 0850Z with negative results. 0905Z Great Falls radar
search and height had intermittent contact. 0910Z SAT teams again had
visual (Site C-1, 10 miles SE Stanford, Montana0. 0920Z SAT CP reported
that when F-106s were in area, targets would turn out lights, and when
F-106s left, targets would turn lights on. F-106s never gained visual or
radar contact at anytime due to terrain clearance.
This type of activity has been reported in the Malmstrom area for several
days although previous to tonight no unknowns were declared. The track
will be carried as a remaining unknown.
7 NOV 75 (1035Z) - Received a call from the 34st Strategic Air Command
post (SAC CP), saying that the following missile locations reported seeing
a large red to orange to yellow object: M-1, L-3, LIMA and L-6.The general
object location would be 10 miles south of Moore, Montana, and 20 miles
east of Buffalo,Montana, Commander and Deputy for Operations (DO) informed
7 NOV 75 (1203Z) - SAC advised that the LCF at Harlowton, Montana,observed
an object which emitted a light which illuminated the site driveway.
7 NOV 75 (1319Z) - SAC advised K-1 says very bright object to their east
is now southeast of them and they are looking at it with 10x50 binoculars.
Object seems to have lights (several) on it, but no distinct pattern.
The orange/gold object overhead also has small lights on it. SAC also
advises female civilian reports having seen an object bearing south from
her position six miles west of Lewistown.
7 NOV 75 (1327Z) - L-1 reports that the object to their northeast seems to
be issuing a black object from it, tubular in the shape. In all this time,
surveilance has not been able to detect any sort of track except for known
traffic.
7 NOV 75 (1355Z) - K-1 and L-1 report that as the sun rises, so do the
objects they have visual.
7 NOV 75 (1429Z) - From SAC CP: As the sun rose, the UFOs disappeared.
Commander and DO notitier.
8 NOV 75 (0635Z) - A security camper team at K-4 reported UFO with white
lights, one red light 50 yards behind white light personnel at K-1 seeing
same object.
8 NOV 75 (0645Z) - Height personnel picked up object 10-13,000 feet, track
J330, EKLB 0648, 18 Knots, 9,500 feet. Objects as many as seven, as few
as two A/C.
8 NOV 75 (0753Z) - J330 unknown 0753, Stationary / seven knots /12,000.
One (varies seven objects.). None, no possibility, EKLB 3746, two F-106,
GTF, SCR 0754. NCOC notified.
NORAD Involvement
NORAD radar detected unknowns heading south-southwest at 1200 feet. Once again, two F-106s were scrambled. SAT teams at areas K-1, K-3, L-1, L-4, and L-6 reported visual sightings of objects at low altitudes. The SAT teams reported that, when the jets approached, the UFOs would turn off their lights and become invisible. Then, when the jets had gone, the UFOs would turn their lights back on. At 9:15 P.M., teams in four different locations could see both the F-106s and the UFOs. Again, at 9:35, area L-5 reported that the unknown rose rapidly until it could not be distinguished from the stars.
NORAD Region Senior Director's Log (Malmstrom AFB, Montana).
0835Z: SAT Teams K3 and L4 report visual, K3 report target at 300 feet
altituds and L4 reports target at 5 miles. Contact lost at 0820Z. F-106s
returned to base at 0850Z with negative results. 0905Z Great Falls radar
search and height had intermittent contact. 0910Z SAT teams again had
visual (Site C-1, 10 miles SE Stanford, Montana0. 0920Z SAT CP reported
that when F-106s were in area, targets would turn out lights, and when
F-106s left, targets would turn lights on. F-106s never gained visual or
radar contact at anytime due to terrain clearance.
This type of activity has been reported in the Malmstrom area for several
days although previous to tonight no unknowns were declared. The track
will be carried as a remaining unknown.
7 NOV 75 (1035Z) - Received a call from the 34st Strategic Air Command
post (SAC CP), saying that the following missile locations reported seeing
a large red to orange to yellow object: M-1, L-3, LIMA and L-6.The general
object location would be 10 miles south of Moore, Montana, and 20 miles
east of Buffalo,Montana, Commander and Deputy for Operations (DO) informed
7 NOV 75 (1203Z) - SAC advised that the LCF at Harlowton, Montana,observed
an object which emitted a light which illuminated the site driveway.
7 NOV 75 (1319Z) - SAC advised K-1 says very bright object to their east
is now southeast of them and they are looking at it with 10x50 binoculars.
Object seems to have lights (several) on it, but no distinct pattern.
The orange/gold object overhead also has small lights on it. SAC also
advises female civilian reports having seen an object bearing south from
her position six miles west of Lewistown.
7 NOV 75 (1327Z) - L-1 reports that the object to their northeast seems to
be issuing a black object from it, tubular in the shape. In all this time,
surveilance has not been able to detect any sort of track except for known
traffic.
7 NOV 75 (1355Z) - K-1 and L-1 report that as the sun rises, so do the
objects they have visual.
7 NOV 75 (1429Z) - From SAC CP: As the sun rose, the UFOs disappeared.
Commander and DO notitier.
8 NOV 75 (0635Z) - A security camper team at K-4 reported UFO with white
lights, one red light 50 yards behind white light personnel at K-1 seeing
same object.
8 NOV 75 (0645Z) - Height personnel picked up object 10-13,000 feet, track
J330, EKLB 0648, 18 Knots, 9,500 feet. Objects as many as seven, as few
as two A/C.
8 NOV 75 (0753Z) - J330 unknown 0753, Stationary / seven knots /12,000.
One (varies seven objects.). None, no possibility, EKLB 3746, two F-106,
GTF, SCR 0754. NCOC notified.
Is that supposed to be in response to me?
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 05:30 PM)
Acutally, it is just part of the overall puzzle, and is much more than what I placed before skeptics in regards to the weather balloon, and you know what happened in 1994, right?!
The skeptics found that my proof was right on the money!
The skeptics found that my proof was right on the money!
Well happy new year!!
Skyeagle, for the love of God.... How hard can this be to understand!!!
You being RIGHT, and a skeptic being wrong, about a baloon(!), or no baloon, at Roswell, does NOT make your claim of ET correct!!!
It only means that the skeptics, if wrong, was wrong, thats it!!!
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 12:34 PM)
Actually, since the future is not here yet, no humans from the future are involved.
Bringing up humans from the future is just telling me that you have accepted the fact the crafts question are real.
Bringing up humans from the future is just telling me that you have accepted the fact the crafts question are real.
[Gail Stanwyk's father from Fletch]Boy, what in the hell are you talkin' about?[/father]
The point clearly is there's just as much proof that the culprits are humans from the future.
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 06:29 PM)
UFO Reality Breaking Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXz4rr8rOJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPq2GICy3AY...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXz4rr8rOJQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPq2GICy3AY...feature=related
Yep, youtube is were I get my scientific hard evidence of aliens on Earth from aswell.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AAqWC82ub_o&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhk5m04vYtg&...feature=related
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 13 2008, 01:37 PM)
Yep, youtube is were I get my scientific hard evidence of aliens on Earth from aswell.
Well, you have to now since the Weekly World News went kaput!
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 13 2008, 06:28 PM)
Well happy new year!!
Actually, it didn't end there when other FOIA files were eventually released.
There were other times when I've said: "I told you so!!" What it is, the closed-minded skeptics ridicule that, for which they have no understanding nor are even aware of, hence my claim that they don't know the rest of the story until that story is later revealed in FOIA documents and other evidence and I can cite case after case, so I will reiterate my claim that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence, and always have been.
Now, facts are being revealed that the UFOs in question are not only real, but have been very interested in our nuclear facilities, including those of the Strategic Air Command (SAC). In some cases, the operations logs have shown that we have scrambled jet fighters to intercept the UFOs in question only to have the UFOs outmaneuver the jets.
Records also show that B-52s and even KC-135s were called upon to investigate UFOs in the areas they flyiing were in and it wasn't because a weather balloon had strayed into the area either.
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 13 2008, 06:37 PM)
Yep, youtube is were I get my scientific hard evidence of aliens on Earth from aswell.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AAqWC82ub_o&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhk5m04vYtg&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AAqWC82ub_o&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhk5m04vYtg&...feature=related
Another flawed atrribute of a debunker: Not taking to time to ascertain the original source!
That is becasue they don't do their homework, or not properly if they do it at all.
Word to the debunkers; it doesn't matter who reports the story as long as the story is factual.
In the words of a wise gentleman: "If you can't attack the data, attack the messenger."
QUOTE (NigelTM @ May 13 2008, 06:31 PM)
[Gail Stanwyk's father from Fletch]Boy, what in the hell are you talkin' about?[/father]
The point clearly is there's just as much proof that the culprits are humans from the future.
The point clearly is there's just as much proof that the culprits are humans from the future.
You got it all wrong.
The proof is in the fact that the curently lottories have been won by humans of the present.
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 06:55 PM)
Actually, it didn't end there when other FOIA files were eventually released.
There were other times when I've said: "I told you so!!" What it is, the closed-minded skeptics ridicule that, for which they have no understanding nor are even aware of, hence my claim that they don't know the rest of the story until that story is later revealed in FOIA documents and other evidence and I can cite case after case, so I will reiterate my claim that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence, and always have been.
There were other times when I've said: "I told you so!!" What it is, the closed-minded skeptics ridicule that, for which they have no understanding nor are even aware of, hence my claim that they don't know the rest of the story until that story is later revealed in FOIA documents and other evidence and I can cite case after case, so I will reiterate my claim that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence, and always have been.
Im saying that, no matter how many times, and how silly the debunking, how silly the explanation from a skeptic...No matter how wrong it is...It still doesnt make you right with your - "It was an alien starship".
"No one can think of terrestrial explanation....Well, then it must have been ET"!!!
WRONG.
Just because we cant think of one doesnt make it ET...No matter how much you, me, or anyone else, would love it to be.
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The proof is in the fact that the curently lottories have been won by humans of the present.
Thats not proof.
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 07:05 PM)
You got it all wrong.
The proof is in the fact that the curently lottories have been won by humans of the present.
The proof is in the fact that the curently lottories have been won by humans of the present.
Thats as weak as your proof of ET...
1)What makes you think they need our old currency 200 000 years from now....????
2)Or, they might just have a prime directive that prevents that sort of interference...
Think about it...There is no way anyone from 2008 could tell the difference from ET and humans 200 000 years in the future.
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 13 2008, 07:15 PM)
Im saying that, no matter how many times, and how silly the debunking, how silly the explanation from a skeptic...No matter how wrong it is...It still doesnt make you right with your - "It was an alien starship".
The facts are consistent that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence, and I have folks such military and airline pilots, and many others will back me up as well and the skeptics had Phil Klass, Iim Printy, and CSICOP, and we know what happned to them over the years when the facts were eventually revealed, But, the evidence revealed under the FOIA is also proving that the skeptics have always been on the wrong side and I will be very happy to post the many instances where that is true after the facts were later revealed!!
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 07:15 PM)
Thats not proof.
Of course it is!! You didn't know that????
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Of course it is!! You didn't know that????
If that's proof to you, I've got an alien body you can use as evidence to sell to you. Interested?
Oh, wait... I better state, I'm joking.
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 13 2008, 06:33 PM)
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The facts are consistent that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence, and I have folks such military and airline pilots, and many others will back me up as well and the skeptics had Phil Klass, Iim Printy, and CSICOP, and we know what happned to them over the years when the facts were eventually revealed, But, the evidence revealed under the FOIA is also proving that the skeptics have always been on the wrong side and I will be very happy to post the many instances where that is true after the facts were later revealed!!
The facts are consistent that the skeptics are on the wrong side of the fence, and I have folks such military and airline pilots, and many others will back me up as well and the skeptics had Phil Klass, Iim Printy, and CSICOP, and we know what happned to them over the years when the facts were eventually revealed, But, the evidence revealed under the FOIA is also proving that the skeptics have always been on the wrong side and I will be very happy to post the many instances where that is true after the facts were later revealed!!
Few of us are interested in your pi**ing contest, or your belief in this matter. Im only interested in what you can prove.
I dont think you even realizes that one cannot create an extraordinary conclusion before providing and analyzing extraordinary evidence...and, as those un-emotionally involved and somewhat rationally educated realize, we actually have not one bit of solid physical evidence of alien life, or presence, on this planet.
And no, stories from an ex this or that is not evidence, neither are your radar numbers. Few of us here cares about how many times you said -No balloon at Roswell! Few of us here care about how many times a skeptic were wrong or right, or you were wrong or right.
The reason I started this thread was, lets look at the title again --- The best evidence for aliens on Earth - from a skeptical point of view ---
Im talking about REAL evidence. Can you tell the difference!?
If you have that, now would be a good time to post it
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 12:54 AM)
You're approaching this from the viewpoint that grays are fact.
What if we're to assume that no species are "fact". What evidence is there that grays even exist, besides simple testimony? The look of the grays seems to vary, and the face is remarkably similar to what a human will remember if they dont have time to commit to memory the details of a human face.
What if we're to assume that no species are "fact". What evidence is there that grays even exist, besides simple testimony? The look of the grays seems to vary, and the face is remarkably similar to what a human will remember if they dont have time to commit to memory the details of a human face.
Millions of people have been reporting the grays, youtube has thousands of videos about them, a simple search on google reveal more than 360.000 links of these aliens, and they fit with the flying saucers mysticism, not to mention some nations already have a pact with those creatures. And is common knowledge the grays came from zeta reticuli, not from the future... How can you say they dont exist?
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The Greys made contact with a world governmental body for the first time in 1933 in Germany. However, they were turned away by the German government because it had already committed itself to involvement with the Giza intelligence. A renegade group of human extra terrestrials that were headquartered under the Giza plateau in Egypt. They were predominantly Pleadians. They were on their own, doing their own thing. Ashtar, Commigal, and even Jehovah were a part of the group, for some time. They came down here and played God with us. People worshipped them because they had technology which they used it as their power, big time.
During the 1930's, the Germans were building rockets and starting a space program due to their contacts with the extraterrestrials of the Giza intelligence. The technology developed however, was used to create weapons because the German governmental body involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Giza intelligence had told them that the Greys were here to invade, but this actually did not occur. Plans for weapons such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons, etc. were designed. Although many of these weapons were not created until much later in history, a lot of other technology was shared with the Germans, by the Giza Intelligence, like how to do: anti-gravity, free energy, etc.
During the 1930's, the Germans were building rockets and starting a space program due to their contacts with the extraterrestrials of the Giza intelligence. The technology developed however, was used to create weapons because the German governmental body involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Giza intelligence had told them that the Greys were here to invade, but this actually did not occur. Plans for weapons such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons, etc. were designed. Although many of these weapons were not created until much later in history, a lot of other technology was shared with the Germans, by the Giza Intelligence, like how to do: anti-gravity, free energy, etc.
Source: The Grays Agenda by Alex Collier
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Millions of people have been reporting the grays, youtube has thousands of videos about them, a simple search on google reveal more than 360.000 links of these aliens, and they fit with the flying saucers mysticism, not to mention some nations already have a pact with those creatures. And is common knowledge the grays came from zeta reticuli, not from the future... How can you say they dont exist?
It could be a psychological phenomena... that possibility is being widely considered. You dont know if governments have a pact with them or not, you assume they do. It is "common knowledge" the grays come from zeta reticuli? Where's your evidence?
Im not saying they dont exist, but I'm also not saying they do.
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 06:18 PM)
It could be a psychological phenomena... that possibility is being widely considered. You dont know if governments have a pact with them or not, you assume they do. It is "common knowledge" the grays come from zeta reticuli? Where's your evidence?
Im not saying they dont exist, but I'm also not saying they do.
Im not saying they dont exist, but I'm also not saying they do.
where is your proof they are a psychological phenomena? just because people have a hard time to describe them doesnt mean these people are inventing, we actually have a difficult to describe another human being from a different race. Someone who always lived with white people will find all black alike, or all japanese will look the same. It took some time to our brain to learn to differentiate others...
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where is your proof they are a psychological phenomena?
Read carefully what I said. I never said it is a psychological phenomena, I said it could be.
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just because people have a hard time to describe them doesnt mean these people are inventing, we actually have a difficult to describe another human being from a different race. Someone who always lived with white people will find all black alike, or all japanese will look the same. It took some time to our brain to learn to differentiate others...
I remains a possibility though. Wheres your proof that they exist?
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 03:18 PM)
It could be a psychological phenomena... that possibility is being widely considered. You dont know if governments have a pact with them or not, you assume they do. It is "common knowledge" the grays come from zeta reticuli? Where's your evidence?
Im not saying they dont exist, but I'm also not saying they do.
Im not saying they dont exist, but I'm also not saying they do.
Well if it is a psychological phenomena, we better get on top of this because it's speading...
Then you say this.
"It is "common knowledge" the grays come from zeta reticuli? Where's your evidence?"
Why is your best attack as to where they come from? Does it really freakin matter? If as you said befor it could be possible that future humans are visiting us, but I really don't see why. Wouldn't humans try to help there past develop in a better way? If not then they are cold hearted mother fer's. So you want to keep going to that they may not be aliens but future humans
Either way does it really matter when or where they come from ? The fact is something is here and we don't have a clue to what it is, throw in a spin here and there fine. Please try not to turn this into a spin job so you can justifie Yoggie bear as your hero from the future that warned you not to eat the spoiled hamburger you made chili out of and still served it. Zeta reticuli ? why did you pull that out of your hat? You are reaching big time and you know it.... Man this is weak and limp. Try to stay within the realms of the topic
Oh but wait you still might say it could have been a purple smurf
Sky has not gone there (as to claim who these craft are from) and why you should I have only one idea as to why. To pull the most classic skeptic tactic out there. Make fun and most will follow with a smart ass remark to back yours.
Ok let's turn the table, Make a thread proving that these craft are man made or climatic in nature LOL good luck.
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ May 13 2008, 11:37 AM)
Yep, youtube is were I get my scientific hard evidence of aliens on Earth from aswell.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AAqWC82ub_o&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhk5m04vYtg&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AAqWC82ub_o&...feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rhk5m04vYtg&...feature=related
WoW just wow
You actualy made that post ! I would be so embarassed for doing that I would not show my face in this thread again. So youtube lies ? even knowing that yutube is posting a main stream media news cast. Then you have to show up and post something as stupid as those video's you posted. This is the ultimate in skeptic BS and how much it shows the desperation of certin individules to redicule useing kindergartin tactics. Debunker that was the worst of the worst I have seen from a skeptic and how making fun of something is your main tactic. LIMP and WEAK and it really shows just how much a skeptic will go to justifie there side. I have to say a few skeptics that actually might have had an argument here have gone down hill quick, and have showen just to what levels of crap they will go to. Shame really!!!!
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Well if it is a psychological phenomena, we better get on top of this because it's speading...
Which could be a result of the psychology behind it. Just like the spread of anything in our society. Suggestion is a great influence.
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Why is your best attack as to where they come from? Does it really freakin matter?
Because he stated that that's where they come from as if I'm supposed to accept it as fact. He didnt state its "possible" that they come from Zeta Reticuli, he said its common knowledge that they do. Well, if its such common knowledge, and we are to believe this "common knowledge", where is the evidence behind it? If he can show me the conclusive evidence that proves they come from Zeta Reticuli, then it will a remarkable feat. It will not only prove that they are not human time travelers, it will prove that they are not some psychological manifestation... it will prove that aliens exist! That would make history!
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If as you said befor it could be possible that future humans are visiting us, but I really don't see why.
You dont see why it's a possibility?
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Wouldn't humans try to help there past develop in a better way?
Wouldnt aliens try to help their galactic neighbours to help them develop in a better way?
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If not then they are cold hearted mother fer's.
The aliens must be too then!
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So you want to keep going to that they may not be aliens but future humans
Yes, I want to keep going saying that it is possible they are just that... because my whole argument is that we dont know what they are, if they even are.
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Either way does it really matter when or where they come from ? The fact is something is here and we don't have a clue to what it is, throw in a spin here and there fine.
Yes... it does matter... because it is either aliens, or it is not aliens.
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Zeta reticuli ? why did you pull that out of your hat? You are reaching big time and you know it.... Man this is weak and limp. Try to stay within the realms of the topic
Why did I pull that out of my hat? Perhaps you should read the post above mine... belonging to the person who BRAUGHT UP Zeta Reticuli. Perhaps it is you who should stay up to date with the thread...
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Sky has not gone there (as to claim who these craft are from) and why you should I have only one idea as to why. To pull the most classic skeptic tactic out there.
Or, you know... perhaps because the person I was quoting braught it up? Sounds like a valid reason to me!
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Ok let's turn the table, Make a thread proving that these craft are man made or climatic in nature LOL good luck.
I never said there's any proof of this. Gee, try to keep up... maybe then you'll earn a cookie from your master!
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 06:34 PM)
Read carefully what I said. I never said it is a psychological phenomena, I said it could be.
I remains a possibility though. Wheres your proof that they exist?
I remains a possibility though. Wheres your proof that they exist?
my proof is the flying saucers, or you imagine the possibility of a car start driving by itself in the streets with no one controlling it?
then why do you insist they are humans from the future? They can be another species from the future, lets say humans become extincts in the next 5000 years and cockroaches started to evolute so millions of years ahead the cockroaches are coming back to see what happened before their civilization.
or the past? if flying saucers were piloted by reptilians, there is a possibility they are coming from the past, before the giant meteor hit the earth and kill them all, to see in the future a place where they could survive...
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my proof is the flying saucers, or you imagine the possibility of a car start driving by itself in the streets with no one controlling it?
Can you prove I exist by pointing to a car driving on the road?
How do you know it is grays flying these saucers? Perhaps it isnt.
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then why do you insist they are humans from the future?
I dont insist they are. I insist that it is a possibility.
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They can be another species from the future,
They sure can be!
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or the past? if flying saucers were piloted by reptilians, there is a possibility they are coming from the past, before the giant meteor hit the earth and kill them all, to see in the future a place where they could survive...
Perhaps they are. And that would also be another reason why flying saucers are not proof of grays.
Btw, do you actually believe that reptillians are from the Earth's past?
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 14 2008, 12:27 AM)
Can you prove I exist by pointing to a car driving on the road?
How do you know it is grays flying these saucers? Perhaps it isnt.
I dont insist they are. I insist that it is a possibility.
They sure can be!
Perhaps they are. And that would also be another reason why flying saucers are not proof of grays.
Btw, do you actually believe that reptillians are from the Earth's past?
How do you know it is grays flying these saucers? Perhaps it isnt.
I dont insist they are. I insist that it is a possibility.
They sure can be!
Perhaps they are. And that would also be another reason why flying saucers are not proof of grays.
Btw, do you actually believe that reptillians are from the Earth's past?
do you know another animal who can drive a car? if you see a car driving in the streets it must have a human inside, or the car is magic live.... if you stated the grays are from the future and there is no aliens then what leave for the reptilians is the past.
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 09:15 PM)
Which could be a result of the psychology behind it. Just like the spread of anything in our society. Suggestion is a great influence.
Because he stated that that's where they come from as if I'm supposed to accept it as fact. He didnt state its "possible" that they come from Zeta Reticuli, he said its common knowledge that they do. Well, if its such common knowledge, and we are to believe this "common knowledge", where is the evidence behind it? If he can show me the conclusive evidence that proves they come from Zeta Reticuli, then it will a remarkable feat. It will not only prove that they are not human time travelers, it will prove that they are not some psychological manifestation... it will prove that aliens exist! That would make history!
You dont see why it's a possibility?
Wouldnt aliens try to help their galactic neighbours to help them develop in a better way?
The aliens must be too then!
Yes, I want to keep going saying that it is possible they are just that... because my whole argument is that we dont know what they are, if they even are.
Yes... it does matter... because it is either aliens, or it is not aliens.
Why did I pull that out of my hat? Perhaps you should read the post above mine... belonging to the person who BRAUGHT UP Zeta Reticuli. Perhaps it is you who should stay up to date with the thread...
Or, you know... perhaps because the person I was quoting braught it up? Sounds like a valid reason to me!
I never said there's any proof of this. Gee, try to keep up... maybe then you'll earn a cookie from your master!
Because he stated that that's where they come from as if I'm supposed to accept it as fact. He didnt state its "possible" that they come from Zeta Reticuli, he said its common knowledge that they do. Well, if its such common knowledge, and we are to believe this "common knowledge", where is the evidence behind it? If he can show me the conclusive evidence that proves they come from Zeta Reticuli, then it will a remarkable feat. It will not only prove that they are not human time travelers, it will prove that they are not some psychological manifestation... it will prove that aliens exist! That would make history!
You dont see why it's a possibility?
Wouldnt aliens try to help their galactic neighbours to help them develop in a better way?
The aliens must be too then!
Yes, I want to keep going saying that it is possible they are just that... because my whole argument is that we dont know what they are, if they even are.
Yes... it does matter... because it is either aliens, or it is not aliens.
Why did I pull that out of my hat? Perhaps you should read the post above mine... belonging to the person who BRAUGHT UP Zeta Reticuli. Perhaps it is you who should stay up to date with the thread...
Or, you know... perhaps because the person I was quoting braught it up? Sounds like a valid reason to me!
I never said there's any proof of this. Gee, try to keep up... maybe then you'll earn a cookie from your master!
Crap I don't know how to post like that, but I'll try to address your points. Most being silly as they are more hypothetical then scientific.
You mention "suggestion". When have sightings, radar, military envolment,nasa ect being simply suggestion? I'm not talking about the space channel here. This is not suggestion, but part of our media, military, goverment. Officials of high regard and scientists. Or are you suggesting that we are being made to believe in ufo's as we were made to believe in an after life. I will point out one has more science to back one over the other, you pick.
Zeta Reticuli is mentioned by many as being the closest possible solar system that may hold life. I don't think anyone here has said Zeta Reticuli does hold life and thats where the "aliens" are from. As you said befor they could be from the future, maybe so and maybe they are human, but again does that matter. These are unexplained craft/phenomina. So the point is moot. So please drop that tone as it show's you pick and choose what you want people to think., and you actually think you sound enlightened lol oh wait most skeptics do, forget it.....
Why would aliens not help, ok I was refering to your furture human time travelers and there lack of compasion for there ancient fellow man. Who know's maybe "aliens" do help there galatic neighbours. We don't know they don't. I see you taking this way off course but I'll play along.
Ok smart guy who cares if they are humans from the future or aliens, what is the topic? it is what they are not who they are, or have you forgoten what this topic was about ? Again for the hard of hearing or reading. It doesn't matter if they are human or not from what ever reality you want to work from. The point it what are they !!!!!!!!!! Man why is that so hard to get across. You can say forsure what they are not, but in the same sentence claim you don't have a clue as to what they are.....
LOL was it sky who brought up Zeta Reticuli ? I know this thread is not about Sky, but he is the one that is putting it out there, that these are not man made, not made on Zeta Reticuli. Keep up with whats important to the thread and not some 1950's play wright or a 14 yr oldsci-fi fantasy imagination.
QUOTE (anarkhy @ May 13 2008, 09:45 PM)
do you know another animal who can drive a car? if you see a car driving in the streets it must have a human inside, or the car is magic live.... if you stated the grays are from the future and there is no aliens then what leave for the reptilians is the past.
LOL this kind of posting makes me chuckle. Two skeptics playing a part in a play. LOL Let me guess, you will ask if Stellar got the recipie for a kick ass sheapard's pie from his great great grand daughter
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do you know another animal who can drive a car?
Other than me? Well, I assume you can drive a car too?
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if you stated the grays are from the future and there is no aliens then what leave for the reptilians is the past.
Well, I stated that, assuming the craft are piloted, perhaps they are piloted by humans from the future. Perhaps these humans from the future look like greys... or perhaps they look like modern humans and the greys simply dont exist. There's plenty of possibilities.
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You mention "suggestion". When have sightings, radar, military envolment,nasa ect being simply suggestion?
I'd like to know just what kind of radar identifies "greys"...
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I'm not talking about the space channel here. This is not suggestion, but part of our media, military, goverment. Officials of high regard and scientists. Or are you suggesting that we are being made to believe in ufo's as we were made to believe in an after life.
Umm... I thought we were just talking about grays, not UFOs...?
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I don't think anyone here has said Zeta Reticuli does hold life and thats where the "aliens" are from.
Jesus christ, I QUOTED the person who said that. Holy christ, do you know how to read?
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As you said befor they could be from the future, maybe so and maybe they are human, but again does that matter.
Yes! Of course that matters! If they are human, they are not alien!
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These are unexplained craft/phenomina. So the point is moot. So please drop that tone as it show's you pick and choose what you want people to think., and you actually think you sound enlightened lol oh wait most skeptics do, forget it.....
Just which one of us picks and chooses what to read??
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Who know's maybe "aliens" do help there galatic neighbours. We don't know they don't. I see you taking this way off course but I'll play along.
How am I taking this way of course? You're the one that started the subject line.
And I think you just answered your own question as to future human's help.
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Ok smart guy who cares if they are humans from the future or aliens, what is the topic?
Why dont you answer yourself that... What is the topic, hmm? Please... quote it... right from the title. Go ahead.
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it is what they are not who they are, or have you forgoten what this topic was about ? Again for the hard of hearing or reading. It doesn't matter if they are human or not from what ever reality you want to work from. The point it what are they !!!!!!!!!!
Exactly! THe point is what they are! If they are human, they are not evidence of aliens!
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LOL was it sky who brought up Zeta Reticuli ? I know this thread is not about Sky, but he is the one that is putting it out there, that these are not man made, not made on Zeta Reticuli. Keep up with whats important to the thread and not some 1950's play wright or a 14 yr oldsci-fi fantasy imagination.
*sigh* Ok... right... I braught up the whole Zeta Reticuli thing
Do you know how to read? How about just searching "Zeta Reticuli" and see who mentionnes it first, whether it is me or someone else...QUOTE
LOL this kind of posting makes me chuckle. Two skeptics playing a part in a play. LOL Let me guess, you will ask if Stellar got the recipie for a kick ass sheapard's pie from his great great grand daughter
Funny... anarkhy isnt a skeptic. He's arguing with me, not agreeing with me. FUnny that you could not comprehend this.
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The Greys. It seems that they are trying to save their dying race by using mankind through absorbtion. Instead of destroying mankind, they imbred their kind into ours, thus through generations of imbreeding they become us and we them. To reproduce, the grays must obtain host females (containers). since utilizing the native population of humans currently carries little risk of interdiction, and no requirements for maintaining the host, this method is preferred. Specialized grays (taller and slender) developed specifically to work in genetic engineering labs, oversee these operations as well as the effort to cross-breed their race with humans in an effort to overcome their built-in limitations. Females are taken, the DNA evaluated, and if acceptable, the female is tagged for future recovery. Males are also evaluated and if found suitable may be used to impregnate current stock of host females in order to assure the transfer of desirable traits to future hosts females. Other activities involve evaluating the nervous and other systems and tissues in order to optimize the ongoing development of the cross-breed's capacities.
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Zeta Reticuli : This is the type most commonly referred to as the greys. Also known as Zeta Reticuli from the Zeta Reticulan star system (the Bernard star) neighboring the Orion area. They function in a mode that is apparently military in nature with a rigidly defined social structure that holds science
and "conquering worlds" to be the prime movers. They are normally between
3 1/2 to 4 feet tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by cloning. These cloning techniques have been given to our government in exchange for 'favors'. Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics, close relative to the insect family.
The Zetas are the ones involved in the cattle mutilations. They absorb certain substances from parts of the cattle that stabilize them during the cloning process. THis can be placed under the tongue to give substance and stability for some time. It is a substance that comes from certain mucus membraines ie lips, nose, genitals , rectum and certain organs. These glandular substances serve as nutrients in lieau of eating. Resting the substances under the tongue is not the ony way they get nutrition. If you remember, cattle mutilations generally result in blood being drained from the body. The Zetas have in their bases canisters and vats in which animal and human organs float along with a purple liquid to hold thee parts in suspension. They swim in the mixture thus absorbing the nutrients through their skin. Elimination of waste is through their skin, just as plans eliminate through their skin or outer shells. The Zetas have also been referred to as 'the little green men', which they turn a shade of if they have not received sufficient food. When they are in this stage, they become very vicious. .
Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and
genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the
alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they
may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "mixture race"
that would be better than either. (I've read that they are a dying
species, that have cloned so much that now, with each successive cloning,
the species grows weaker. They are trying to infuse new life into their
species by creating the mixed breed.) Hmm , reminds me of the movie 'taken'.
and "conquering worlds" to be the prime movers. They are normally between
3 1/2 to 4 feet tall with large heads and black "wrap around" eyes. They have limited facial features, slit mouth and no nose to speak of. They have evolved beyond the need for reproductive systems or digestive systems and reproduce by cloning. These cloning techniques have been given to our government in exchange for 'favors'. Their genetics are partly based on insectoidal genetics, close relative to the insect family.
The Zetas are the ones involved in the cattle mutilations. They absorb certain substances from parts of the cattle that stabilize them during the cloning process. THis can be placed under the tongue to give substance and stability for some time. It is a substance that comes from certain mucus membraines ie lips, nose, genitals , rectum and certain organs. These glandular substances serve as nutrients in lieau of eating. Resting the substances under the tongue is not the ony way they get nutrition. If you remember, cattle mutilations generally result in blood being drained from the body. The Zetas have in their bases canisters and vats in which animal and human organs float along with a purple liquid to hold thee parts in suspension. They swim in the mixture thus absorbing the nutrients through their skin. Elimination of waste is through their skin, just as plans eliminate through their skin or outer shells. The Zetas have also been referred to as 'the little green men', which they turn a shade of if they have not received sufficient food. When they are in this stage, they become very vicious. .
Their science deals largely with the study of other life forms and
genetic engineering. They have supposedly had a part to play in the
alteration of human genetics over thousands of years. It seems that they
may be trying to cross breed with humans in order to create a "mixture race"
that would be better than either. (I've read that they are a dying
species, that have cloned so much that now, with each successive cloning,
the species grows weaker. They are trying to infuse new life into their
species by creating the mixed breed.) Hmm , reminds me of the movie 'taken'.
Grey Aliens
QUOTE (hazzard @ May 13 2008, 09:50 PM)
Few of us are interested in your pi**ing contest, or your belief in this matter. Im only interested in what you can prove.
I thnk I said it before, it goes beyond belief, but one of reality!.
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I dont think you even realizes that one cannot create an extraordinary conclusion before providing and analyzing extraordinary evidence.
The data evidence as presented by the Belgian Ari Force was extraordinary in itself, not to mention the international press conference of the Air Fore, which was also extraordinary. Add to the extraordinary events over Belgian, then you have something that was very extraordinary.
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The reason I started this thread was, lets look at the title again --- The best evidence for aliens on Earth - from a skeptical point of view ---
Im talking about REAL evidence. Can you tell the difference!?
Im talking about REAL evidence. Can you tell the difference!?
Of course I do, and so do thousands of other folks that comprise of, and here we go again, the folks who are stating that based on their encoutners and evidence that supports their claims, ET visitation is a fact.
* Commercial and military pilots, worldwide
* Astronauts and cosmonauts
* Radar operators, worldwide
* Scientist and engineers
* Astronomers
* Senior military and intelligence officials, worldwide
* Other military officers and enlisted personnel
* Police officials, worldwide
* Milliions of other people around the globe
Not to mention that the U. S. Air Force has already stated that ET vistiation is a fact, so there you have it.
It is just a matter of understanding what goes on around the world and living in a world of denial is what gets closed-minded skeptics into trouble when the facts are revealed and I can post many such examples if you want me to do so!
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 14 2008, 05:13 AM)
I'd like to know just what kind of radar identifies "greys"...
Since radar contacts confirmed the visual accounts of aircrews who identified the crafts that were maneuvering around their aircraft as flying saucers, which then proceeded to zoom off at hypersonic speeds, then simple common sense logic says that if mankind didn't have the ability to build those crafts with such advanced technology as demonstarted visually and on radar, then the crafts were not those of mankind because mankind didn't have the ability to build such crafts.
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 14 2008, 01:05 AM)
Other than me? Well, I assume you can drive a car too?
Well, I stated that, assuming the craft are piloted, perhaps they are piloted by humans from the future. Perhaps these humans from the future look like greys... or perhaps they look like modern humans and the greys simply dont exist. There's plenty of possibilities.
Well, I stated that, assuming the craft are piloted, perhaps they are piloted by humans from the future. Perhaps these humans from the future look like greys... or perhaps they look like modern humans and the greys simply dont exist. There's plenty of possibilities.
Yes i can drive a car, and we are humans wright? are there another animal on earth capable of driving a car? you want to personally identify the flying saucers pilots by their names now to conclude someone is inside those things?
in the middle of amazon forest still exist some indigenous tribes who never made contact with the white man, how people know they exist if no one photographed or dissected those indians? would you accept the possibility those indigenous are the ones inside high tech flying machines?
PILOTS & AVIATION EXPERTS
If UFOs had not been reported by pilots of scheduled airliners, and military pilots in operation all over the globe, there might be some justification in writing off reports of ground observers as mistaken observations. For, if unknown objects are maneuvering in our skies, pilots would be among the most likely to see them. (Others whose professions cause them to spend many hours watching the skies, such as General Mills Corporation balloon trackers, also have reported numerous UFOs. [1])
Airline and military pilots are among the most experienced observers of the sky. Their profession requires them to spend hundreds of hours per year in the air. Few, if any, occupations require more practical knowledge of weather, other aircraft, and unusual activity such as missile tests. Undoubtedly, few groups of observers have seen more meteors or watched planets under a wider variety of sky conditions. In addition, professional pilots normally are trained in rapid identification of anything which may endanger a flight. Therefore, it is significant that airline and military pilots have reported a large number of totally unexplained UFO sightings.
Recognizing that airline pilots have special training and are in a unique position for observation, the Defense Department includes them in the military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings (CIRVIS), as detailed in the Joint Chiefs regulation JANAP-146(D). [See Section IX.] In 1954, the groundwork for CIRVIS reports was laid by meetings between representatives of the airlines and Military Air Transport Service (MATS) intelligence branch. The reason? "The nation's 8,500 commercial airline pilots have been seeing a lot of unusual objects while flying at night, here and overseas," Scripps-Howard reported. "But," the report continued, "there hasn't been much of an organized system of reporting to military authorities. . . [the airlines and MATS] agreed to organize a speedy reporting system so that a commercial pilot spotting strange objects could send the word to the Air Force in a hurry. The Air Force could then send jet fighters to investigate." [2]
With a few exceptions, most UFO reports on record from military pilots have come from the World War II and Korean War eras, or from recently retired officers. Military pilots, naturally, are restricted from discussing the sightings freely while they are on active duty. But airline pilots (although in recent years some times under pressure from their companies not to discuss sightings) have contributed some of the best reports on record.
QUOTE (Stellar @ May 13 2008, 10:13 PM)
I'd like to know just what kind of radar identifies "greys"...
Umm... I thought we were just talking about grays, not UFOs...?
Jesus christ, I QUOTED the person who said that. Holy christ, do you know how to read?
Yes! Of course that matters! If they are human, they are not alien!
Just which one of us picks and chooses what to read??
How am I taking this way of course? You're the one that started the subject line.
And I think you just answered your own question as to future human's help.
Why dont you answer yourself that... What is the topic, hmm? Please... quote it... right from the title. Go ahead.
Exactly! THe point is what they are! If they are human, they are not evidence of aliens!
*sigh* Ok... right... I braught up the whole Zeta Reticuli thing Do you know how to read? How about just searching "Zeta Reticuli" and see who mentionnes it first, whether it is me or someone else...
Funny... anarkhy isnt a skeptic. He's arguing with me, not agreeing with me. FUnny that you could not comprehend this.
Umm... I thought we were just talking about grays, not UFOs...?
Jesus christ, I QUOTED the person who said that. Holy christ, do you know how to read?
Yes! Of course that matters! If they are human, they are not alien!
Just which one of us picks and chooses what to read??
How am I taking this way of course? You're the one that started the subject line.
And I think you just answered your own question as to future human's help.
Why dont you answer yourself that... What is the topic, hmm? Please... quote it... right from the title. Go ahead.
Exactly! THe point is what they are! If they are human, they are not evidence of aliens!
*sigh* Ok... right... I braught up the whole Zeta Reticuli thing
Do you know how to read? How about just searching "Zeta Reticuli" and see who mentionnes it first, whether it is me or someone else...Funny... anarkhy isnt a skeptic. He's arguing with me, not agreeing with me. FUnny that you could not comprehend this.
Holy Christ is right.
I thought the thread was about "ufo's" and if they are not of this world. Then you come on and start trying to determine the freakin species of alien's. THE THREAD IS NOT ABOUT WHAT SPECIES THEY ARE OR WHERE THEY COME FROM. Damn If you want to call them Grays then so be it. I don't classifiey them as anything except as not of this earth, you want to call them grey's will then suggestion has worked well on you. Call them what ever you want, it's not the point.
I do know how to read and I can also see how you pick and choose what you like to post, relivant to the thread or not. Hey it's Stellar he can pick and choose as he pleases and leave the topic of the thread behind. Fine if thats what you want to do leave the thread and go argrue some kid about being abducted my the little gray men. This is not a thread based on fantasy as much as you want it to be based on that, but buy all means start a thread on what was it Zeta what ever.
WOW ok lets say they are human's from the future does that matter. They are craft we can't explain period. You want to say future humans that can time travel arn't alien's. I'm sure if that were the case we would be aliens to many planets, even to ourselves. Lets twist this more, what if the future of humans involves genetic manipulation and are not quite human as we are now.. See how far desperate you are to take this thread off topic.
anarkhy is playing along with you and I know that from prior posts. He's being condecending is all and not to you....
I never made any claim I had proof of aliens, but the evidience does add to something alot different then man can explain to himself. This is not the new religion where we believe a book because we had a sword pointed at us....
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ May 14 2008, 01:34 AM)
PILOTS & AVIATION EXPERTS
If UFOs had not been reported by pilots of scheduled airliners, and military pilots in operation all over the globe, there might be some justification in writing off reports of ground observers as mistaken observations. For, if unknown objects are maneuvering in our skies, pilots would be among the most likely to see them. (Others whose professions cause them to spend many hours watching the skies, such as General Mills Corporation balloon trackers, also have reported numerous UFOs. [1])
Airline and military pilots are among the most experienced observers of the sky. Their profession requires them to spend hundreds of hours per year in the air. Few, if any, occupations require more practical knowledge of weather, other aircraft, and unusual activity such as missile tests. Undoubtedly, few groups of observers have seen more meteors or watched planets under a wider variety of sky conditions. In addition, professional pilots normally are trained in rapid identification of anything which may endanger a flight. Therefore, it is significant that airline and military pilots have reported a large number of totally unexplained UFO sightings.
Recognizing that airline pilots have special training and are in a unique position for observation, the Defense Department includes them in the military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings (CIRVIS), as detailed in the Joint Chiefs regulation JANAP-146(D). [See Section IX.] In 1954, the groundwork for CIRVIS reports was laid by meetings between representatives of the airlines and Military Air Transport Service (MATS) intelligence branch. The reason? "The nation's 8,500 commercial airline pilots have been seeing a lot of unusual objects while flying at night, here and overseas," Scripps-Howard reported. "But," the report continued, "there hasn't been much of an organized system of reporting to military authorities. . . [the airlines and MATS] agreed to organize a speedy reporting system so that a commercial pilot spotting strange objects could send the word to the Air Force in a hurry. The Air Force could then send jet fighters to investigate." [2]
With a few exceptions, most UFO reports on record from military pilots have come from the World War II and Korean War eras, or from recently retired officers. Military pilots, naturally, are restricted from discussing the sightings freely while they are on active duty. But airline pilots (although in recent years some times under pressure from their companies not to discuss sightings) have contributed some of the best reports on record.
So the military are aware of alien visitation but has done nothing to acquire more detailed info about them? They would have put a good effort to develop technology capable of detecting this ufos, at this time we should had seen some advancement with military machinery, but there is none.
SCIENTISTS & ENGINEERS
One of the many current myths about UFOs is that no trained observers have reported them. Often this argument is used by skeptics to imply that UFO reports result only from careless observations. This attitude is reflected in a question often posed in newspaper articles: "If UFOs are real, why haven't astronomers seen them?" The answer is that they have, on many occasions.
The ridicule evoked by the reporting of a UFO sighting definitely has taken its toll among professional scientists and engineers who value their reputations. A significant number of scientists have told NICAP privately that it would be professional suicide for them to discuss the subject openly among their colleagues. Nevertheless, a number of good UFO reports by scientific observers are on record.
Another myth is that only amateurs and pseudo-scientists consider UFOs worth further investigation. One scientist who took early notice of UFO reports was Dr. Anthony O. Mirarchi, chemist employed by the Air Force in its geophysical laboratory. In 1951 Dr. Urner Liddel, a Navy scientist, insisted all UFOs were Skyhook balloons. Dr. Mirarchi challenged this conclusion and urged a full investigation of UFOs which, he said, could be foreign experiments of some kind. Dr. Mirarchi rejected the idea that UFOs were only misidentified conventional phenomena and said he had recommended a "considerable appropriation" to investigate them. After studying Air Force reports, he said UFOs appeared to have "maneuvered motion" and their vertical and horizontal motions could not be reconciled with natural phenomena. [1.]
A former German rocket scientist, Dr. Walther Riedel, headed the now defunct Civilian Saucer Investigation of Los Angeles, which attained national prominence in 1952 after being publicized in Life and Time. Dr. Riedel stated his opinion that UFOs were of Extraterrestrial origin. [2.] (Some of the cases gathered by CSI are incorporated in this report).
Three world-famous scientists have expressed similar views:
* Prof. Hermann Oberth, whose pioneering studies paved the way for space travel, has stated his complete conviction that UFOs are piloted by super-intelligent beings from another planet. [3.]
* Admiral Delmer S. Fahrney, U.S.N. (Ret.), "father of guided missiles," and former NICAP Board Member, in a 1957 press conference stated that there was an urgent need to know the facts about the apparently controlled objects reported to be entering our atmosphere. His statement received wide coverage in the world press.
* Dr. Carl Jung, famous Swiss psychologist, shortly before his death in 1961, sent a personal communication to the NICAP Director. In it he stated he had come to the opinion that UFOs did appear to be space ships. [4.] (Previously he had been embroiled in international publicity, accidentally misquoted as believing UFOs were real when he still considered this an open question)
The ridicule evoked by the reporting of a UFO sighting definitely has taken its toll among professional scientists and engineers who value their reputations. A significant number of scientists have told NICAP privately that it would be professional suicide for them to discuss the subject openly among their colleagues. Nevertheless, a number of good UFO reports by scientific observers are on record.
Another myth is that only amateurs and pseudo-scientists consider UFOs worth further investigation. One scientist who took early notice of UFO reports was Dr. Anthony O. Mirarchi, chemist employed by the Air Force in its geophysical laboratory. In 1951 Dr. Urner Liddel, a Navy scientist, insisted all UFOs were Skyhook balloons. Dr. Mirarchi challenged this conclusion and urged a full investigation of UFOs which, he said, could be foreign experiments of some kind. Dr. Mirarchi rejected the idea that UFOs were only misidentified conventional phenomena and said he had recommended a "considerable appropriation" to investigate them. After studying Air Force reports, he said UFOs appeared to have "maneuvered motion" and their vertical and horizontal motions could not be reconciled with natural phenomena. [1.]
A former German rocket scientist, Dr. Walther Riedel, headed the now defunct Civilian Saucer Investigation of Los Angeles, which attained national prominence in 1952 after being publicized in Life and Time. Dr. Riedel stated his opinion that UFOs were of Extraterrestrial origin. [2.] (Some of the cases gathered by CSI are incorporated in this report).
Three world-famous scientists have expressed similar views:
* Prof. Hermann Oberth, whose pioneering studies paved the way for space travel, has stated his complete conviction that UFOs are piloted by super-intelligent beings from another planet. [3.]
* Admiral Delmer S. Fahrney, U.S.N. (Ret.), "father of guided missiles," and former NICAP Board Member, in a 1957 press conference stated that there was an urgent need to know the facts about the apparently controlled objects reported to be entering our atmosphere. His statement received wide coverage in the world press.
* Dr. Carl Jung, famous Swiss psychologist, shortly before his death in 1961, sent a personal communication to the NICAP Director. In it he stated he had come to the opinion that UFOs did appear to be space ships. [4.] (Previously he had been embroiled in international publicity, accidentally misquoted as believing UFOs were real when he still considered this an open question)
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