The Cosford Incident

On 30 and 31 March 1993 there was a series of UFO sightings in the UK involving over a hundred witnesses. Many of these were police officers and military personnel. The UFO also flew directly over two RAF bases. What follows is the extraordinary story of what has been dubbed The British UFO Mystery.

Overview

The first sighting took place on 30 March at around 8.30pm in Somerset. This was followed by a sighting at 9pm in the Quantock Hills. The witness was a police officer who, together with a group of scouts, had seen a craft that he described as looking "like two Concordes flying side by side and joined together". The reports came in thick and fast and when I arrived at work the following morning I received a steady stream of reports.

It was soon clear that I had a major UFO event on my hands. One of the most interesting reports came from a member of the public in Rugely, Staffordshire, who reported a UFO that he estimated as being 200 metres in diameter. He and other family members told me how they had chased the object in their car and got extremely close to it, believing it had landed in a nearby field. When they got there a few seconds later, there was nothing to be seen.

Many of the descriptions related to a triangular-shaped craft or of the lights perceived as being on the underside of such a craft. Indeed, in an apparent coincidence these sighting occurred three years to the very day after the famous wave of sightings in Belgium that had led to F-16 fighters being scrambled to intercept a UFO being tracked on radar.

http://www.nickpope.net/cosford_incident.htm

You dont know that...Who knows, one of these days Skyeagle might dig up some real evidence...Stranger things have happend. Or, maybe SETI "wins the lottery"!? Or, a real alien craft crashes on the 405 during rushhour.

It could just be a matter of time...



...but then again...I dont think so, but, we might also be alone.? Or they are simply too far away for them to know about us.?

Yes UFOs excist, no question about it...We are debating what they might be...and if there are evidence to the extraordinary claim you make...that some of them are ET.

Well maybe one day I'll be cheerfully probed by some ball of slime from Europa and put back on Earth in 2010, but until I see evidence with my own eyes, why believe this nonsense? I've seen hundreds of flying objects I couldn't identify at the time, but all have had a rational explanation.

Im not so sure that they "ridiculed" people that thought the planet was flat. I know we do now, but not back in those days. Anyway...in science the "facts" are always open to change...thats the good part of science...it is self correcting. If you have an idea you can be sure that it will be turned insideout in searc of mistakes and flaws.

There has been many times that something has been re-written after flaws has been discovered in a theory. And Im sure it will continue like that. As far as the ALIENS ON EARTH claim...Well...its just a claim by some people at this point...Nothing I would call fact, thats for sure. But the believers are of course free to believe in anything they want...Some even believe that they found Noas Ark.(!)

HUNDREDS!!!!

Don't tell me...I'm onto this one......it must have been..........a flock of birds wearing little UFO fancy dress outfits.

Truth be told Debunker, I was (trying to be) a bit of a smarta** when I wrote the post about not solving the problem after 204 pages. Though I honestly don't believe we, on an internet forum, will solve it, I don't know we won't.

If a flying saucer crashed in Washington D.C., the debunkers would just claim that it was a weather balloon.

After all, look at their past explainations for flying saucers that flew around aircraft and captured on radar, which they claimed was Venus, Jupiter, and Mars, sometimes in the middle of the day.

We can look at what was involved in some of those UFO cases based on visual confirmation and radar data.

The objects were described typically, as a metallic flying saucer, with portholes and rotating beacon lights, sometimes described larger than ships, and the radar data confirmed the flying saucer as described visually, was present in the area of the visual contact and confirmed the size of the object larger than a ship.

The radar then tracked the object as it zoomed away from the aircraft at 9000 mph as the aircrews confirmed the highspeed egress from the area of that object.

Question now arises; was that flying saucer ours?

The UFOs is no more nonsense than airplanes. After all, the skeptics were claiming that heavier-than-air flight was impossible.

You talk of seeing hundreds of flying objects you couldn't identify, but there are thousands that were identified as metallic saucer-shaped, triangual-shaped, or other shapes of flying vehicles that were also tracked on radar, which exhibited extraordinary performance charateristics that were ruled out as aircrat.

Now, countries around the world are doing what was unheard of 25 years ago, except in the late 1950s when the President of Brazil went public in regards to the Trindade UFO. Official government UFO documents have been released confirming that in some cases, flying saucers landed or were observed directly over military and nuclear facilities.

In addition, government workers and formere government workers are coming forward that the government is in fact, withholding reality from the public. Now, the media has jumped into the UFO mix.

After 204 pages???

The Air Force had already said that flying saucers were real decades before this thread became a reality.

You say that like it's impossible.

Here are three sites that show Venus can be seen in the daytime, and one showing Jupiter being seen during daylight.

Again, it's heads I win, tails you lose with you. What's the difference between the Air Force admitting flying saucers (and therefore ET) are real, and disclosure (which hasn't happened yet)?

AF (via you): They're real! (Meaning disclosure)

You: The gov't hasn't admitted it yet. (Meaning disclosure is as long as 15 years from now)

You can't have it both ways...

Hmm. No, you're right it's not impossible, but last I checked those planets were much bigger than Earth, so how could they be recorded in our atmosphere by ground radar/aircraft radar, especially when they're MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of miles away? He's referring to objects that have been tracked on radars and viewed by personnel on aircraft.

The chasing planets one gets absolutely ridiculous at times... I remember some people seriously claiming that Mantell was chasing Venus... Ok, lets look at the facts...

1, Venus is called the Evening Star or Morning Star, because it only ever appears in the sky and visible to the naked eye, at those times. As it is also one of the inferior planets it also never rises more than 50 degrees above the horizon and is, more usually, quite a few degrees less. To suggest that, at the height Mantell was flying he was looking up towards an object that can never actually rise more than half way into the sky was , frankly, ridiculous. Yet some sceptics still claimed that was what he was chasing...

2 Anyone who tells you Jupiter is visible in the sky, in full daylight when more than a few degrees above the horizon, is talking total and utter tosh. Iit is possible to observe Jupiter in daylight with a large enough telescope but the detail is so washed out it is pointless.

I think the best evidence for aliens on Earth is right in front of us, er, I mean is us.

Love Omnaka

Do you not think that an airforce pilot would have been able to tell the difference between a planet and an unidentified craft?

Absolutely!!

First of all, planets do not maneuver around aircraft nor were they ever tracked on radar doing so.



Was Venus ever tracked on radar as it maneuvered around aircraft for several hundred miles? For that matter, any planet?? If not, then planets are not what we are talking about and have no bearing on any of the UFO case files on record by that very fact.

Planets as UFOs that maneuvered around aircraft and tracked on radar are amongst the most silliest of arguments the debunkers can ever present.

Actually, many of those who are disclosing UFO reality as those of ET, are Air Force aircrews and even senior Air Force officials.

Some of the case files presented by the Disclosure Project have already been verified.



That is my prediction, but I wouldn't be surprised if disclosure comes much sooner the way that UFO reality is being disclosed by a number of countries around the world and the number of government officials and former government officials coming forward with documents and data on those objects, in addition to the satellite engineers who are revealing documents and other information on UFOs that are tracked in space by NORAD.

I agree!

The Air Force first used Venus as an explanation for Mantell's sighting, but later found that Venus was not responsible.

CSICOP and Phil Klass attempted to explain away that Jupiter and Mars were the UFOs in regards to JAL flight 1628. Eventually, they found to their dismay, that Jupiter and Mars were not responsible either, but it was too late and the press picked it up.

It is ridicules that debunkers claim that UFOs, which were tracked on radar as they maneuvered around aircraft, were planets.

It is amazing just how far debunkers are willing to go as they try to debunk UFOs.

According to the debunkers, a metallic saucer-shaped craft with portholes and beacon lights that maneuvered around an aircraft and tracked on radar as it was doing so, was Jupiter, even though Jupiter was no where to be found, but the debunkers see no problem with that either.


This is what debunkers see as planet Venus.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6821482599776880969


Notice the red light in this photo, which to a debunker, is planet Mars.

http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/9054/ufobelg.jpg


And of course, Jupiter was the flying saucer in this incident.

http://www.ufocom.org/UfocomS/usbariloche.htm

The USAF Nevada Testing Site one is absolutely amazing... what could that have been? My gosh... that was stunning. I never saw a military craft (or a commercial aircraft, for that matter) perform such maneuvers aerodynamically. These maneuvers seriously are not coming from any of our aircraft.

No, those that thought (ie university science professors and teachers) that the world was flat ridiculed those who thought different (that the world was round).

Are you saying that the good thing about science is that it corrects it's wrong teachings? Wow I'm impressed. The worst threats on earth are all with compliments from science.

Yes we are all free to believe whatever we want, but just because one believes something, does not make it fact (truth). Therefore no matter what anyone believes, in the end only the truth remains. And that is what matters.

The truth is always greater than any science!

Science will eventually have to separate the idea that UFO's and extraterrestrials are connected. UFO's do exist but extraterrestrials do not!

Does anyone know where to find the TRUTH?

C'mon... if they had DARPA painted on the side, you'd still think it was anything but...

They're messin' with ya...

The Air Force, too. They have experimented with things just like that...

You misinterpreted what I said, deliberately or otherwise. Your post implied Venus and other planets can't be seen during daylight. I proved otherwise.

But, that object wasn't the product of any USAF project.

Seriously Sky, if thats evidence to you, thats just sad.



Swampgas or Venus!!! Just keep talking.!!

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Yea, there you go!! Almost the WooWoo credo 101 right there! Good for you.

Not of the luminocity of the objects we are talking about that were captured flying around aircraft, which were also captured on radar.

What I posted at post #3108:

Sad for the debunkers who'd claimed that Jupiter was that UFO, which was tracked on radar as it flew around an aircraft for hundreds of miles.



But, swamp gas and Venus were brought up to explain away UFOs, which didn't make any sense in the first place.



But, you can't exclude the facts. The debunkers had claimed that the UFOs, which were also tracked on FAA and Air Force radars as they maneuvered around the B-747, were Jupiter and Mars and they had gone public before the rest of the story was released, so is it any wonder how they felt when they had to change their explanation afterwards?

BTW, can you repost that woo-woo list again?

Here is the bottom line Sky, in order to show that something does indeed exist, we need definitive SCIENTIFIC evidence.

One can postulate any number of things as being possible, Aliens, ESP, Ghost, Zombies, The Bermuda Triangle, Timetravelers, etc.. but it doesnt get us any closer to being able to definitively say such things do exist.

Science is self correcting. If someone proves that ETs are, or have ever been here, then they will have my support. To date, no one, including Dr. Greer and his "project", Hoagland, Friedman, etc, has done so.

Quite frankly, if I was on the team that actually discovered real evidence of alien life, like SETI, perhaps actually received intelligent signals that could only be from extraterrestrial life, I would be inclined to keep it an absolute secret, and attempt to communicate with them.

Holy hell, I cannot imagine releasing that information and having hordes of weirdows infiltrating SETI...religious zealots claiming the end of the world, having apocalypse cook-outs outside the facilities, press vans everywhere, covering the nutty reactions, looking out at banners that said, "THE END IS NOW!", aluminum foil sales tripling in a matter of days of the revelation, etc., etc...

I would tell the aliens...

Dont go to Washington. Dont go to the Vatican. Please dont contact ANY religious leaders. Come here and see us!

Somehow, if they received our signals and understood our race...they probably wouldnt come anyway. Hopefully, I could persuade them to come to see my people..scientists.. who would appreciate what was occurring in the appropriate manner.

But Ive gotta tell you Sky, and all you other "believers", if aliens have received our signals, and know what they mean...Why in the name of God would they want to come here?

Can you imagine an alien race receiving our TV, and being able to decipher what our civilization was about!!? I can only imagine confusion, perhaps even fear on their part, watching Jerry Springer, Cops, or something like that.

Bottom line, if evidence showed a UFOs origin they would not be called "unidentified flying objects" they would be called extraterrestrial flying objects or identified flying objects.

They are not.

Any scientist who says, "Well the radar lets us conclude we dont know what the object is --- so it is ET in origin" is stating his opinion.

The radar shows an object that is unidentified, thats it. The radar does not show the objects place of origin.

I am not sure how to make this anymore clear for you, and I am not sure how someone who "supposedly" helped create aircraft for the military could not understand the basics of scientific evidence. (!?)


You obviously can not tell the difference between evidence and opinion.

And, science has been called upon to V-E-R-I-F-Y many of the case files as presented, something that the debunkers have seemed to have overlooked because they are not in the habit of doing their homework. Now, the FOIA documents have confirmed that the UFOs in question do exist and to further add, the UFO case files in question have been verified, including the flying saucer landing in the Kirtland AFB area that didn't involved any aircraft.

The 1976 Iranian UFO incident has been verified as well and involve objects that were not of this earth. In fact, the pilot of that second F-4 involved in that incident has also verified the events that took place during the encounter. In fact, one of the objects maneuvered into a trail position behind the F-4 after he tried to shoot down the object with an AIM-9 missile, but as we tried to do so, his weapon system went off-line the instant he pressed the trigger. His systems came back online only after he turned away from the primany mothership.

It is all recorded in offiicial documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency and that of the Department of Defense, which also shows that the White House was also made aware of that incident.



It is amazing that you continue to bring up science, which brings to mind the following:

Yes, as said before, there's "proof" even for OP that there are flying objects that do not match anything the greater informed population can say is commercial or military. As I see it, unless they find an alien body or something, people will still say it's some new metal, or new technology, and not ET.

That being said, it's still fascinating for me that there are many things on Earth that we don't know, let alone what's out 'there'.

My 2 cents

The folks who have been claiming as such, were highly experienced pilots, military and other govenment officials, scientist, engineers, astronomers, and others who were in prime positions to know .

The debunkers who were not in such positions, are the folks who are claiming that the hypersonic flying saucers that were maneuvering around aircraft, were planets and weather balloons.

They did so based on their own experience and technical knowledge in radar technology.



You do not seem to understand that such technology has been used to detect such objects from space and surveillance data on those objects is what Dr. Carl Sagan was trying to get the Air Force to release. Scientist have also used their tracking instruments to verify the objects in space as well.



It is no surprise to me that the folks at Wright-Patterson AFB, the same folks who help develope advanced systems for the Air Force, are the folks who have been saying for years that the UFOs in question are those of ET!

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You obviously can not tell the difference between evidence and opinion.

Using that in another fashion; It is the general opinion that airplanes exist today.

Yes that must have been venus

Few believers can...The are desperate to keep their favorite fantasy intact. I meen..what would their life be like if they were forced to see it in the light of the scientific method.

Its interesting how some people need to believe so much that they are cherry picking info that only supports their belief and closing their mind to everything that they "dont like"... Finding arguements to all that is a threat to their belief..Its like talking to religious fanatics...

All the evil debunkers are saying is - We need better evidence before believing!! Thats is all. How can that upset the believers so much..Its like they are fighting for their lives or something.

We are not messing with their "God"...We simply need better evidence "before joining their religion".

I saw hundreds of mettallic triangle shaped objects in the sky above my house in late 2007, and earlier that year a pink light which followed me and my cousin around on the beach. I can explain all of them rationally.

ROFL!

Please do..

When I was about 18 years old, I saw a 1/2 mile wide circular disc with little lights everywere passing over our house in the middle of the night. That absolutely blew my mind, and scared my pants of at the same time...think a "small" independensday ship, high up in the dark winter night sky.

But I can explain that.

If I would have walked in, before I figured it out, I still, to day, would have "known" it was ET...

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What was it?

Yes, especially if the object is an intelligently controlled metallic object that is maneuvering around the sky and tracked on radar.

Apparently, a number of countries have already released UFO files proving they are real and it seems the debunkers are ignoring the fact that many UFO case files have already been verified as intelligently controlled hypersonic crafts that exhibited advanced technology unknown to us, but then again, the Air Force had already said that back in the late 1940s.



The scientific method is the reason why the ETH was thrown in, and in fact, scientific means have been used to verify many UFO case files.

So when debunkers like to talk science, so do I!

Did the Air Force scramble jets as were the case in Belgium, Washington D.C., Peru, Brazil, Chile, Indonesia, China, the UK, Africa, Russia, and many areas around the globe?

Did they zoom off at hypersonic speed?

Did you know that triangular UFOs were reported back during the 1800s?

Did you know that a huge triangular-shaped craft, which has been seen by thousands of people aross Belgian and neigboring countries, has also been seen over Russia and the UK, in addition over the United States and many other nations around the globe?

What is "WooWoo credo 101?

Who's "we"? are you referring to yourself? Tell that to the billions of people in this world who believe in God... do they have scientific evidence for his existence? On the whole, the same type of belief factor is there... there is really nothing to support it other than faith in-terms of either ETs or "God". Either way, it's all about faith. I don't know who you were referring to when you said "we need definitive scientific evidence".


No, you're right... but science can't explain everything, I am afraid.


No, but they have given some decent insight on ET visitation. It is sort of hard to say that nothing is going on when countless of witnesses (professional witnesses, including air traffic controllers, airforce pilots, and various other credible witnesses) have come forward with stunning testimony. Why would they lie? Even individuals on their DEATH BED have come forward with information about Roswell... actually, I think there may have only been one, but you get my point.


Perhaps they have, and perhaps they are communicating with them? Just because we are led to believe that the government hasn't had any contact with ET life, that doesn't mean they haven't. For all we know, government agents could be sitting down having tea with an extraterrestrial in a secret base located in the Nevada desert. Do you HONESTLY think they're going to JUST come forward with the information?


And that may just suggest why the government hasn't come forward with the information. Perhaps the government knows that so many people trust them, that they will indeed be gullible enough to believe that ETs haven't been here when they really haven't. The government takes advantage of this. Just because the government hasn't come forward with information, again, that doesn't mean squat. There may be reasons (well, in their opinion) that they haven't come forward with the information.


I would tell them, "Be careful about who you show yourself to. There are many people who want to get a hold of you and do bad things to you."


Or perhaps they HAVE?


Hmm. Okay, ask yourself this. SETI has been studying for YEARS and YEARS to discover ET life... what IF, all of a sudden, they had received ET signals from Mars? If they had decrypted this message and it had asked them to come and visit the planet, and they were given a set of "co-ordinates", don't you think they would send a probe or perhaps a manned aircraft to go and visit them? Why would WE wanna visit them?


I think I would get pretty scared if I were an ET, and had been subjected to a show like COPS, too.


Well... that doesn't change the fact that crafts have been spotted over thousands of years, and were recorded to have shown maneuverable capabilities which would be rendered as aerodynamically impossible by the laws of physics.


If an object is moving up and down, spinning upside down and takes off out of our atmosphered at 22,000mph, what do you honestly think it was? Maybe it was a f***ed up asteroid?


No, you're right - but its activities are what determines its origins. There are no craft which can reach such a speed and perform spectacularly on an aerodynamic level such as that as of YET.


He knows how aircraft work. He could tell the difference between a terrestrial aircraft and an extraterrestrial aircraft, I am almost certain.



How so? Really... I mean, if an object in our atmosphere is recorded at moving nearly 20,000 clicks and is appearing to be controlled by ET craft, what other explanation do we have? Oh, it must be a secret government aircraft performing these maneuvers. We haven't gotten that far with technology yet...

So you're saying that belief in ET is merely faith. That's very telling.

This is the main point I wanted to address. Who says they're lying? Just because someone's not lying doesn't mean though that what they're saying is the "truth".

Just speaking about the US government, but I don't think "so many people trust them". Have you seen the approval poll numbers the president and Congress get? Given those low numbers, I'd bet the trust numbers aren't much, if any, higher.

If intelligent life were on Mars in particular, and they had technology to visit here, I'd think they'd have been studying us for years and years as well. So they'd know what we're like. But in the larger point, I would expect a probe (only because that's what we've done, and we have nothing and no one else to compare to).

Have you ever looked at a spot in a darkened room? Have you seen it move and dance around, even though it's a piece of lint or a dead bug? Misperception and misinterpretation is often the cause.


I'm assuming from this that you know about all our secret technology?

Wasnt that the link you asked hazzard for?? The woo woo credo?

How the hell can you misinterpret an object travelling, at first, about 500 mph then instantaneously climbing to 22,000 mph? Honestly. These are two entirely different concepts..


The object was detected by ground control and the aircraft...

By "we need definitive scientific evidence" I think hazzard is talking about the skeptical/scientific community...

Anyway...there are lots of PERHAPS, WHAT IFs, and assumptions in your post. You, like most of the believers, are willing to take that famous leap of faith that is nessesary when it comes to the "evidence" of aliens visiting us here on Earth.

Im not.