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bee
QUOTE (AstroPro @ Jun 16 2008, 09:12 AM) *
Keep in mind that the average age of Sun-like stars in the habitable zone of the Milky Way galaxy is a BILLION years OLDER than our Sun. That would be more than enough time for a nearby civilization to become aware of our existence.



B = Billion year old Milky Way.

C = Cooper (Gordon)

D = Disclosure Project
DONTEATUS
B=Billion year old Milky Way. C= Cooper ( Gordon) D= Disclosure Project E= Everyone look up Its All up there.
bee
F = flying saucers

G = google....greys

H = ha ha ha.....who will have the last laugh.... rofl.gif
doesnt_matter
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 17 2008, 05:41 PM) *
It is. Untill the day that NASA, ESA, or someother space exploring agency says otherwise, we might be the only living thing in the universe. I sure dont think soo, I even believe that there is intelligent star traveling creatures out there. Do I have any evidence of this to be the case, no I dont. No matter what anyone says here, noone on the planet does.

So yes, at this time, the still unidentified UFOs could be anything, and they could be nothing.


The opening affirmation that time travelling humans from the future is as possible as ET's from another star system is not founded in science. Round and round we go; " no matter what anyone says here, noone on the planet does." I've already addressed this position in a previous post.


skyeagle409
QUOTE (DONTEATUS @ Jun 17 2008, 08:42 PM) *
Skyeagle its not that you havent tryed like no tomorrow,but some people on this palnet think way too much about what they havent seen ,I.E. UFO`s and the other nonprefected ideas of the mind. You always post on the reports of others and the skeptics,debunkers ect non-belivers just line up to take a wack at you. Thats sad in its self.Because your post are all in line with a belief system that is right for you and many others,myself one I belive in intelligent life off this rock as do many others.I guess what Im saying in Texas terms is if you throw a B,B,Q there will always be someone that is there that only like pizza.and B,B,Q, dosnt exsist.Even though they may of never tryed it to see it`s great. This is mans delima too belive it they must first see it. I say to see it one must first Belive it. we are creatures of a wonderful belief system. Example-A is just deep in ones own thought Keep those post comeing Skyeagle Im going to get my camera ready for that Exibit-A See Ya.


Thanks!!

I am used to the wacking from the UFO debunkers, but I already know where they are coming from.

They have tried to debunk the Disclosure Project and imply that the participants are just there telling stories and such, and no evidence to back up their stories. I find that very amusing considering that some of the case files that were presented at the Disclosre Project were already well-documented by government sources and even government defense contractors years before the Disclosure Project went public, but it was very clear that they didn't know that.

I often wondered that when highly experienced military and commercial aircrews report flying machines maneuvering around that aircraft, which is confirmed by radar and other sources such as ELINT and airborne optical equipment, that somehow, that automatically tranlates into some known, or unknown atmospheric phenomemon.

In the case of the B-52 aircrew and their encounter over the Minot AFB, the optical equipment aboard the B-52 took images of the object they encountered and the co-pilot was certain the craft was that of ET. He actually tried to look inside the craft, which is an indcation just how in close it was to the object and in addition, ground-based military personnel saw the craft as well.
DEBUNKER
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:47 PM) *
Nothing???

Let me get this right! You are implying that incidents such as this, never happened?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoBL_Wpx7Fo

For the record for all to read:

Are you implying that no craft, which exhibited extraordinary maneuvering capabilites that exclude any aircraft before zooming off at hypersonic speeds, was ever involved in the UFO case files in quesition?

Just for the record, you understand.


Thats not what he said...speaking of making something out of nothing... You should know Sky, your the expert. laugh.gif

Hazzard said ...

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Untill the day that NASA, ESA, or someother space exploring agency says otherwise, we might be the only living thing in the universe. I sure dont think soo, I even believe that there is intelligent star traveling creatures out there. Do I have any evidence of this to be the case, no I dont. No matter what anyone says here, noone on the planet does.

So yes, at this time, the still unidentified UFOs could be anything, and they could be nothing.


Get it!!??? The still unidentified UFOs maybe ET...they maybe dimentional travelers....Timetravelers...they maybe a new hightec Chines experiment....they maybe a lie,"NOTHING", madeup by the storyteller..

We just dont know for sure..and you...no matter how much you wine and moan..You dont know for sure either. You think and believe that you do...But you dont.

dimentional travelers....Timetravelers... new hightec Chines experiment..maybe a lie..you cant know for sure!!
NigelTM
QUOTE (doesnt_matter @ Jun 18 2008, 12:26 AM) *
The opening affirmation that time travelling humans from the future is as possible as ET's from another star system is not founded in science. Round and round we go; " no matter what anyone says here, noone on the planet does." I've already addressed this position in a previous post.

Time travel is speculation.....ET is speculation.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ Jun 18 2008, 08:05 AM) *
Thats not what he said...speaking of making something out of nothing... You should know Sky, your the expert. laugh.gif


Making something out of nothing? Hmmmm. The UFO debunkers claim that UFO icidents such as the Malmstrom AFB incidents were nothing. No wonder they tend to make a mockery of themselves, because they don't know any better.

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Hazzard said ...
Get it!!??? The still unidentified UFOs maybe ET...


Not in any of the UFO case files in question, that they remain unidentified, since they were identified visually.

Apparently, UFO debunkers didn't read the rest of the story where the UFOs in question were visually identified typically, as saucer-shaped flying machines, amongst other shapes and radar recorded the performance levels of the objects that were visually identified by highly experienced aircrews.

To sum it up, the UFOs were identified as intelligence machines and the UFO debunkers who have no idea what they are talking about, tend to tell the experts they don't know what they are talking about and that the hypersonic flying saucers that were verified visually and electronically, were planets and weather balloons.


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...they maybe dimentional travelers....Timetravelers...they maybe a new hightec Chines experiment....


When the UFO debunkers get to that point because they can't refute the facts, then I find it amusing!

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...they maybe a lie,"NOTHING", madeup by the storyteller..


I heard that one before when the UFO debunkers claimed that the Disclosure Project witnesses were just telling stories and that they didn't have anything to back up their claims, which I found amusing considering that that some of those cases that were presented, were already verified and look what the UFO debunkers had said.

Some of my best support comes from UFO debunkers because they prove my case about UFO debunkers.
skyeagle409
Shag Harbor UFO

The first indication of this mysterious occurrence would come from local residents who noticed strange orange lights in the sky on the night of October 4, 1967. Most witnesses agreed that there were four orange lights that evening. Five teenagers watched these lights flash in sequence, and then suddenly dive in a 45 degree angle toward the water's surface.

The witnesses were surprised that the lights did not dive into the water, but seemed to float on the water, approximately one-half mile from the shore. Witnesses at first thought they were watching a tragic airplane crash, and quickly reported as much to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, which was located at Barrington Passage. Ironically, RCMP Constable Ron Pound had already witnessed the strange lights himself as he drove down Highway 3 in route to Shag Harbor.

Pound felt that he was seeing 4 lights, all attached to one flying craft. He estimated the craft to be about 60 feet long.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Shagharbor.html

skyeagle409
QUOTE (Rebelle* @ Jun 17 2008, 09:12 PM) *
rolleyes.gif ...

Another victim of alien abduction yes.gif

The best evidence for aliens on earth w00t.gif w00t.gif w00t.gif

Cheers for UM grin2.gif


That reminded me of an editorial cartoon of Dr. E. U. Condon, in the Denver Post after the Colorado Study made its conclusion on UFOs despite the fact that up to 1/3 of its case files remained unexplained.

The cartoon depicted Dr. Condon being abducted by two aliens to their flying saucer while a colleague hollers at Dr. Condon to just tell the aliens he doesn't believe in them.
hazzard
Yes, UFOs are real, people all over the world have always seen things they can not explain. In lakes, the woods and in the sky. As the woods became familiar the trolls "died out" and there are not as many people that still believe in sea monsters as in the old days.

UFOs, sure, some of them act and look strange enough, but I just dont se the evidence that any of them are of extraterrestrial origin.

They merely describe objects observed which defy indentification based upon standards which we know regarding aerodynamic performance or characteristics.

It clearly makes no reference to aliens, (thats a conclusion made by believers) and it clearly states exactly what I said. UFOs are observed unidentified flying objects. There is nothing else attached to them. Evidence is not something you can observe. That is called an observation. Evidence is the establishment of a proof based upon the observation, a proof accepted by the scientific method.

I am dealing in science, not absolutes. One can only truly deal with what is known. If you wish to speculate, fine, mind what you read, and what is actually being said, rather than what your attachment to an ideal is hearing.

The acronym UFO has unfortunately become erroneously associated with extraterrestrial craft, but that has been a device utilized by people with a penchant for believing that were being visited. It is not in any way a scientific or official use of the term.

What REAL evidence is there that extraterrestrials have found Earth?

Zero.

At this time we dont even know for sure that there are any other forms of life anywere in the entire universe. We suspect, hope and believe that there is, but we have no credible real scientific proof.

If Skyeagle, or any of you other believers, have that real evidence, I suggest that you go to Stockholm, Im sure theres a Nobel prize waiting for you.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 18 2008, 04:59 PM) *
Yes, UFOs are real, people all over the world have always seen things they can not explain.


In many cases, the UFO's were identified as flying machines.

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UFOs, sure, some of them act and look strange enough, but I just dont se the evidence that any of them are of extraterrestrial origin.


I do, and so do millions of others around the world, that include:

* Scientist and Engineers

* Commercial and military aircrews

* Radar experts

* Senior military and intelligence officials around the world

* Military officers and enlisted personnel

* Astronomers

* Astronauts and cosmonauts

And many other credible folks.

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They merely describe objects observed which defy indentification based upon standards which we know regarding aerodynamic performance or characteristics.


Who else flies hypersonic flying saucers? From visual accounts, we know that is what they are, and the performance data confirms the objects are not aircraft and, that they are intelligently controlled, as evident in the way they maneuver around aircraft.

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It clearly makes no reference to aliens, (thats a conclusion made by believers)...


What was it that made believers out of skeptics after they own encounters?

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I am dealing in science, not absolutes. One can only truly deal with what is known.


Let's take a look at what is known about UFOs. The UFOs in question were visually identified and, are hypersonic flying machines that exhibit advanced technology unknown to mankind.

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If Skyeagle or any of you other believers have that final evidence, I suggest that you go to Stockholm, Im sure theres a Nobel prize waiting for you.


They don't have enough to pass around to those who have been releasing declassified government UFO documents on the UFOs in quesiton, which have in some cases, been confirmed as flying vehicles and redesignated as, Unauthorized Aerial Object, (UAO).


iSeeDeadPpl!
the title's a bit misleading.... but ya I would say the best evidence are crop circles....TRY to explain the elaborate designs created over night
hazzard
Listen Sky, or better yet, read this post TWICE, and try to understand were Im comming from. The discovery that there are other intelligent beings in the universe, and, as a corollary, that life and intelligence can and has evolved at locations other than Earth, and that, moreover, these beings are visiting Earth on a semi regular basis in spacecraft that seem to defy the laws of physics as we now know them, would unquestionably rank as the greatest discovery in the history of science, and most definitely is an extraordinary claim, right!?

Therefore, in order for me to accept it, you must produce extraordinary evidence. What might this evidence be? For one thing, the aliens and/or their crafts themselves.

Not some story where someone says that someone says that someone says that they saw aliens, or some weird fast moving disc looking thingy, but the actual physical aliens themselves, where trustworthy and competent scientists and individuals can study and communicate with them.

Id like to read about an examination of their spacecraft and learn the physical principles under which it operates. Id like to see their star charts and see where the aliens come from. Id like to know the astronomical, physical, chemical, and biological conditions of their home world and solar system, and how they compare with and contrast with ours.

If possible, Id like to visit their home world, and any other worlds that might be within their sphere of influence. In other words, I want the aliens visible front and center, where there can be no reasonable doubt as to their existence.

Stories about "lights" or "things" in the sky do not impress me, especially when such reports come from people who have no idea of the vast array of natural, and, manmade phenomena that are visible in the sky if one would only take the time to look.

The burden of proof is on the positive. If you are making an extraordinary claim, the burden is on you to produce the extraordinary evidence to prove that you are correct, the burden is not on me to prove that you are wrong.

Furthermore, you must prove your case by providing the direct and compelling evidence for it, you cant prove it by eliminating a few token explanations and then crying, "Well, what else can it be?" laugh.gif

Bottom line, I want the direct evidence for their existence, I want the aliens, or their ship, themselves. I dont want to hear stories about some "thing" that some person somewhere might have seen.

Most astronomers have almost continuously observed the sky, and have yet to see a single object for which there was not a prosaic explanation. There are such diverse phenomena as, fireballs, rocket launches, satellite re entries, comets, auroras, bright planets, novae, orbiting satellites, ionospheric experiments, high altitude balloons, all of which have been reported as "UFOs" by uninformed witnesses.

If indeed there are alien spacecraft flying around Earth with the frequency with which UFO=Aliens believers are claiming, then I must ask how come they have never seen anything remotely resembling such an object, while at the same time they have managed to see all these various other types of phenomena.

Sure, I consider it more then likely that there are advanced alien races somewhere "out there," and I remain open to the possibility that, unlikely as it may seem, one or more such races could be visiting Earth. But if so, where are they?

If they possess the technology capable of traveling interstellar distances, then they are so far ahead of us that there can be no reason for them to be afraid of us. If they wish to hide from us, they could do that, easily, if they dont wish to, then they have no need to play games with us and only show themselves to a few unwitting individuals. I nee them to reveal themselves to humanity at large, to our scientists, and to me.

Thats when Ill know that we are not alone.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 18 2008, 05:58 PM) *
Listen Sky, or better yet, read this post TWICE, and try to understand were Im comming from. The discovery that there are other intelligent beings in the universe, and, as a corollary, that life and intelligence can and has evolved at locations other than Earth, and that, moreover, these beings are visiting Earth on a semi regular basis in spacecraft that seem to defy the laws of physics as we now know them, would unquestionably rank as the greatest discovery in the history of science, and most definitely is an extraordinary claim, right!?


You are missing the whole point. The flying saucers have already been visually identified as per FOIA, and official government documents, data and other evidence, including those from a number of credible eyewitness, optical, and electronic sources.

The data, physical and other evidences are there for all to see and all the UFO debunkers can do at this point is to kick and slam their fist on the pavement because they cannot refute any of the UFO case files in question.

BTW, what did I present before in regards to mainstream science and scientist themselves who reported visual observations of flying saucers and even provided data that confirmed their observations.

Now, why is it that UFO debunkers tend to ignore the facts and data, and other physical evidence that points to ET visitation? As noted in the past, they continue to throw in planets as dynamic objects that are clearly operating within Earth's atmosphere.

Nowk, why is that?!
hazzard
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jun 18 2008, 07:19 PM) *
You are missing the whole point. The flying saucers have already been visually identified as per FOIA, and official government documents, data and other evidence, including those from a number of credible eyewitness, optical, and electronic sources.


Not good enough.

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The data, physical and other evidences are there for all to see and all the UFO debunkers can do at this point is to kick and slam their fist on the pavement because they cannot refute any of the UFO case files in question.


Skeptics to your belief that there are aliens on Earth dont have to refute anything. It is up the the one making the claim to provide hard evidence to support the claim, not wine about others failing to agree.

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BTW, what did I present before in regards to mainstream science and scientist themselves who reported visual observations of flying saucers and even provided data that confirmed their observations.


You keep posting UFO reports and people believing it was aliens. Thats what you presented. Just because they cant think of a terrestrial explanation doesnt mean there isnt one.

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Now, why is it that UFO debunkers tend to ignore the facts and data, and other physical evidence that points to ET visitation? As noted in the past, they continue to throw in planets as dynamic objects that are clearly operating within Earth's atmosphere.


Everytime you have been asked to show us this physical evidence you have failed. The reason is simple, there isnt any.

hazzard
QUOTE (Open your mind @ Jun 18 2008, 05:55 PM) *
the title's a bit misleading.... but ya I would say the best evidence are crop circles....TRY to explain the elaborate designs created over night


Skyeagle??
Stellar
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the title's a bit misleading.... but ya I would say the best evidence are crop circles....TRY to explain the elaborate designs created over night


Ghosts.
DONTEATUS
Is this where we need to bring back Mr.Bill the UFO expert?LOl DONTEATUS
skyeagle409
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 18 2008, 07:52 PM) *
Not good enough.


An object could land on the White House lawn and that wouldn't be good enough for the UFO debunkers either.

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Skeptics to your belief that there are aliens on Earth dont have to refute anything.


They couldn't if they tried, because what was visually reported and recorded on radar, were that of intelligently controlled flying vehicles whose advanced technology exclude us, and once again, the performance levels were recorded on data tapes and can be re-examined time and again, and that is why after more than 50 years, the radar/visual case files remain unexplained, terrestrially speaking.

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It is up the the one making the claim to provide hard evidence to support the claim, not wine about others failing to agree.


Well, let's do a recap:
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Seconds after Heading Speed Altitude
lock-on (degrees) (knots) (feet)

00 200 150 7000
01 200 150 7000
02 200 150 7000
03 200 150 7000
04 sharp 200 acceleration 150 6000
05 turn 270 = 22 g 560 6000
06 270 560 6000
07 270 570 6000
08 270 560 7000
09 270 550 7000
10 210 560 9000
11 210 570 10000
12 210 560 11000
13 210 570 10000
14 270 770 7000
15 270 770 6000
16 270 780 6000
17 270 790 5000
18 290 1010 4000
19 290 1000 3000
20 290 990 2000
21 290 990 1000
22 300 990 0000
22.5 300 980 0000 Break lock

http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/9054/belradar.jpg



This photo was released again at a press conference just last year along with other photos by an Belgian Air Force officer.
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http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/9054/ufobelg.jpg


Radar and Physical Evidence

In the United States, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) radar routinely records on tape all targets, not just aircraft with transponders. Of course, radar systems record only objects that are sufficiently close and have high enough altitude. Although it is unlikely that private investigators will be able to obtain regular access to these records, such access has been granted on occasion.

Such data can be very helpful in providing physical evidence for cases that have reliable witness testimony, in which case the records can be compared to witness testimony to determine whether an object seen visually was also recorded on radar, and — if so — to obtain accurate velocity estimates.


_________________________________________________________

Since the object has been proven as an intelligently controlled craft, which exhibited maneuvers that no aircraft can match, then whose vehicle is it?

Ours, or those of someone else other than mankind? There is no fine line either.


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You keep posting UFO reports and people believing it was aliens.


You noticed that I posted scientist, engineers, and astronomers.


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Everytime you have been asked to show us this physical evidence you have failed.


False!

Just a little hint that physical evidence has been collected, and this is just a tip of the iceberg.


Physical Evidence at UFO Landing Sites

A few of the reports that have been investigated by GEPAN/SEPRA show ground traces that may be associated with the events reported by witnesses. Similar cases have been documented by other investigators. Phillips (1975) prepared a catalog of 561 such cases as a CUFOS report.

I might add that one of effects of UFOs that impressed a scientific panel, were the electromagnetic effects upon vehicles.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 18 2008, 07:54 PM) *
Skyeagle??


I am not into crop circles, but I love the designs.

What I am interested in, are physical evidence that has been collected from UFO landing sites around the world.
The Silver Thong
QUOTE (NigelTM @ Jun 17 2008, 06:54 AM) *
I'm sorry I wasn't making myself clear enough....bad habit sometimes.

What I was trying to say is the typical line is there's a government cover up, correct? For there to be a successful coverup, both sides (in this case, the government(s) and ET) have to agree to keep the secret, correct? If one side doesn't agree, then there's no chance for a coverup.
While I admit it's speculation on ET's motives, I see no reason they should uphold the coverup. A "what's in it for them?" kind of scenario.

As for formal contact, we don't need it to know they exist. Instead of landing on the White House lawn, and insisting on giving a speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations, they could just hover over a World Cup game long enough for all 80,000 people in attendance to see the craft, as well as television cameras, then they could zoom off.

Instead, they tease us by dashing around planes and landing in out of the way spots, making contact with "unofficial" people. IMO, that's strong evidence against their existence.

Aside to Hamlyn: I haven't forgotten about our proposed logic debate. Life gets in the way sometimes, that's all. If you still want to proceed, feel free.



Why would you even think the "aliens" would want to even convene in a cover up? It's not about if the "aliens" even want anything to do with us, other than sudy us and learn. So you leap to such grand conclusions that make your arguments pointless, as usual.

Umm "they" did fly over the white house lawn, have you not been paying attention?

Oh so you think "aliens" should only make contact with "official" people to make the relevant point? I doubt they care. Could you imagine an intellegent species such as the human race trying to talk sence to George Bush jr LOL.
DEBUNKER
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jun 19 2008, 05:57 AM) *
I am not into crop circles, but I love the designs.


Is that a fact...In that case, there are millions of people that would call you a skeptic of crop circles.

They are as sure, that this is real, as you are of your "evidence" of ET.

Does that tell you anything!? rolleyes.gif I didnt think soo.

Here is a clue how the real worl sees it... Its like Richard Hoagland not believing in David Ikes fantasy..and vice versa.

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What I am interested in, are physical evidence that has been collected from UFO landing sites around the world


We have been through this before...but ok...once and for all...for all to see you cutting another SKY VS DEBUNKERS notch in your stock...

show us this evidence. Physical Evidence that couldnt have come from around our sun. Show us this...and I will become a believer. I will know that what youv been saying all along is real...

Im waiting....
DONTEATUS
Thats the pic of the Belgium ufo,isnt it Sky?
skyeagle409
QUOTE (DEBUNKER @ Jun 19 2008, 10:23 AM) *
Is that a fact...In that case, there are millions of people that would call you a skeptic of crop circles.


I am more interested in radar/visual cases.

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They are as sure, that this is real, as you are of your "evidence" of ET.


Of course crop circles are real; no one is denying that!

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show us this evidence. Physical Evidence that couldnt have come from around our sun. Show us this...and I will become a believer. I will know that what youv been saying all along is real...
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I have already! And, the data is there for you to see.

That is why, after scientific analysis, the Belgian photo, and now, new photos of the object, were released last year after conclusions the craft in the photo was quite real and if you look at the lights, what is that telling you about what the object was doing at the instant the photo was taken?

After analysis of the Brazilian photos, the President of Brazil went public. The saucer was determined to be a real craft, and we didn't have a flying saucer in that area.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (DONTEATUS @ Jun 19 2008, 02:25 PM) *
Thats the pic of the Belgium ufo,isnt it Sky?



Yes it is, and it was re-introduced after undergoing extensive analysis.
NigelTM
QUOTE (The Silver Thong @ Jun 19 2008, 01:26 AM) *
Why would you even think the "aliens" would want to even convene in a cover up? It's not about if the "aliens" even want anything to do with us, other than sudy us and learn. So you leap to such grand conclusions that make your arguments pointless, as usual.

Umm "they" did fly over the white house lawn, have you not been paying attention?

Oh so you think "aliens" should only make contact with "official" people to make the relevant point? I doubt they care. Could you imagine an intellegent species such as the human race trying to talk sence to George Bush jr LOL.

Bolding mine. Either they are participating in the government's coverup (assuming "they" are really aliens) or they're not. Because if they were, that'd explain why they haven't landed in the middle of Yankee Stadium during a game.

They could study us from long range, using radio telescopes and listening to our broadcasts.

Do you not get the idea that the best evidence has been presented, and it hasn't solved anything, or else this thread wouldn't exist?
skyeagle409
QUOTE (NigelTM @ Jun 19 2008, 06:10 PM) *
Do you not get the idea that the best evidence has been presented, and it hasn't solved anything, or else this thread wouldn't exist?


There are those who still believe the Earth is flat despite all available evidence that it isn't.

What it is, there are those who can't, or won't accept viable and verifiable data and physical eviidence on the reality of the UFOs in question as flying vehicles of someone other than us anymore than scientist who at one time couldn't accept the fact that rocks were falling from the sky, which we now know today as meteors.
skyeagle409
Government UFO Cover-up


* Central Intelligence Agency claims thousands of UFO reports were caused by secret high-altitude spy planes, even though they couldn't be seen from the ground.

DONTEATUS
LoL on the Aleins talking to Jr Bush,thats an oxymoron for sure.They might send him a invite to become intelligent though. Beam him up scotty! or Ralph,Dick ,Harry what ever your names my be? Klatoo,Branda,Nickto!DONTEATUS rolleyes.gif
iSeeDeadPpl!
I would consider crop circles to be physical evidence. What other than an intelligent life form could create such amazing designs?
bee
QUOTE (Open your mind @ Jun 19 2008, 08:02 PM) *
I would consider crop circles to be physical evidence. What other than an intelligent life form could create such amazing designs?


It's not as clean cut as that....on balance..I think that most likely, crop circles are created with microwaves or
sound waves.....the picture/shape created on a computer and somehow beamed down onto the field.

I also think that there's a chance that they might be part of the softening up process, leading to disclosure...?

Or as a 'red-herring' to keep people busy instead of people asking too many questions about 'other things'.

Or just a big tease...

Or part of experiments with microwave technology, sound technology or plasma stuff.

But please.....this is just my opinion at the moment....if the ET origin is your prefered opinion, you are
entitled to that.... thumbsup.gif
vboytan
QUOTE (bee @ Jun 19 2008, 12:58 PM) *
It's not as clean cut as that....on balance..I think that most likely, crop circles are created with microwaves or
sound waves.....the picture/shape created on a computer and somehow beamed down onto the field.

I also think that there's a chance that they might be part of the softening up process, leading to disclosure...?

Or as a 'red-herring' to keep people busy instead of people asking too many questions about 'other things'.

Or just a big tease...

Or part of experiments with microwave technology, sound technology or plasma stuff.

But please.....this is just my opinion at the moment....if the ET origin is your prefered opinion, you are
entitled to that.... thumbsup.gif

I say the farmers made, just something to stir up conversations like this.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE (vboytan @ Jun 20 2008, 02:55 AM) *
I say the farmers made, just something to stir up conversations like this.


yes, they Love to take out their crops like that for attention. im sure it results in More money for the poor farmers
gadfly21
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jun 19 2008, 01:40 PM) *
There are those who still believe the Earth is flat despite all available evidence that it isn't.

What it is, there are those who can't, or won't accept viable and verifiable data and physical eviidence on the reality of the UFOs in question as flying vehicles of someone other than us anymore than scientist who at one time couldn't accept the fact that rocks were falling from the sky, which we now know today as meteors.



...haha...yep ...I have to agree somewhat skyeagle409...some people wouldn't believe something if they saw it with their own eyes...but science is about observations....and if you don't trust what your eyes or instrumentation/equipment or both are telling you, then your not going to believe it from from anyone else, even if it's a valid observation/evidence. Even if what their seeing precludes terrestrial sources or known technology.

Oh yeah... don't forget the plaque left on the moon by the Apollo 11 astronauts. Nixon and NASA's diplomacy to whomever might read it on the moon????...hmmm...I wonder who the intended audience was for up there???!?!? ;>
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Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (skyeagle409 @ Jun 15 2008, 04:05 PM) *
What you need to do, is to do some homework to see how wrong you are.


I've spent a week doing 'homework' and I can find no evidence against my theory. You clearly only say that because you can't actually provide any decent rebuttle to my theory. So I win. original.gif
hazzard
Skyeagle wrote.
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I have already! And, the data is there for you to see.


Yes, I can see that. The data, however, is just the same ol same as youv posted before. It takes a leap of faith to believe in all your "evidence"
, a leap Im not willing to take.

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That is why, after scientific analysis, the Belgian photo, and now, new photos of the object, were released last year after conclusions the craft
in the photo was quite real and if you look at the lights, what is that telling you about what the object was doing at the instant the photo was taken?


A picture isnt proof of aliens. These days they are too easy to fake. If the Mars rovers took a picture of a lady on Mars, would this be enough for you to claim as a fact that theres girls on Mars...??

http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imaged...nell+University

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After analysis of the Brazilian photos, the President of Brazil went public. The saucer was determined to be a real craft, and we didn't have a flying saucer in that area.


I dont care if the President of Brazil believes in aliens! I need better proof then a picture. rolleyes.gif
theSOURCE
Damn! 3738 posts! So where's the dang aliens already?

Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ Jun 20 2008, 10:28 PM) *
Damn! 3738 posts! So where's the dang aliens already?


On another planet. Minding their own buisness.

And the rest are all in skyeagles head laugh.gif
hazzard
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jun 20 2008, 10:34 AM) *
On another planet. Minding their own buisness.

And the rest are all in skyeagles head laugh.gif



You are right of course, Undeadskeptic. I hope that your wrong, but I dont think so. laugh.gif
theSOURCE
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jun 20 2008, 04:34 AM) *
On another planet. Minding their own buisness.

And the rest are all in skyeagles head laugh.gif


Tsk, tsk. That's not very nice. Skyeagle has done an admirable job providing evidence that UFOs exist (an odd and pointless venture since no one contends that fact).

Now if only he could prove aliens are here...

Forgive me for that, since that is asking the impossible.

Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 20 2008, 10:36 PM) *
You are right of course, Undeadskeptic. I hope that your wrong, but I dont think so. laugh.gif


I want to believe. I don't believe, but I want to. And thats what makes the world go round.
Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ Jun 20 2008, 10:46 PM) *
Tsk, tsk. That's not very nice. Skyeagle has done an admirable job providing evidence that UFOs exist (an odd and pointless venture since no one contends that fact).

Now if only he could prove aliens are here...

Forgive me for that, since that is asking the impossible.


Admirable and delusional mean different things theSOURCE, I think you're getting the two mixed up.
theSOURCE
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jun 20 2008, 04:52 AM) *
Admirable and delusional mean different things theSOURCE, I think you're getting the two mixed up.


And I think you misunderstood the sarcasm of my post. laugh.gif

hazzard
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ Jun 20 2008, 10:46 AM) *
Tsk, tsk. That's not very nice. Skyeagle has done an admirable job providing evidence that UFOs exist (an odd and pointless venture since no one contends that fact).


You are right on the money here. He keeps proving to us that UFOs exist and are all over the world.

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Now if only he could prove aliens are here...Forgive me for that, since that is asking the impossible.


If they do exist, and indeed were here, I dont think it would be impossible, but I think Ill wait for NASA - SETI - ESA, or someother space agency, to tell me that there is life out there, intelligent or other.

Not some UFO site, report from the -50s, or tabloid news paper. rolleyes.gif

What blows my mind in all this, is that Skyeagle, and other believers, seems to think that they are "smarter" then all of those guys looking for life out there. They truly believe that they have found the obvious, all around us, all the time, kidnappin us, raping us, cutting up our cows asses type of "evidence", that we are not alone....Aliens in their space ships.

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Undeadskeptic
QUOTE (theSOURCE @ Jun 20 2008, 10:57 PM) *
And I think you misunderstood the sarcasm of my post. laugh.gif


And you of mine wink2.gif
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jun 20 2008, 10:03 AM) *
I've spent a week doing 'homework' and I can find no evidence against my theory. You clearly only say that because you can't actually provide any decent rebuttle to my theory. So I win. original.gif


You lost because you failed to do your homework properly, which once again, you proved my point about UFO debunkers not doing their homework, or doing properly if they do.

Now, do it properly and provide information on the craft, which I posted data that was released.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Jun 20 2008, 11:52 AM) *
Admirable and delusional mean different things theSOURCE, I think you're getting the two mixed up.


Delusional?!

You have yet to refute A-N-Y of the UFO case files I've posted and look what you posted!!

Is it any wonder then, as to why I get some of my best support from the UFO debunkers because they continue to prove my point wheneve they post?!
Undeadskeptic
I'm sorry it had to come to this but had it been in person I would have slapped you.

I do not need to refute your moronic UFO stories which you try (And fail) miserably to connect to aliens existence somehow, because they are merely stories, with nothing to back them up. No one takes them (Or you) seriously and I actually cringe when you constantly make patronising statments as though you are smarter and overall superior to those who choose to not believe you as it's so embarrasing.

I'm sorry for my posts brutality everyone, I just needed to get my point across.
skyeagle409
QUOTE (hazzard @ Jun 20 2008, 11:10 AM) *
Skyeagle wrote. Yes, I can see that. The data, however, is just the same ol same as youv posted before. It takes a leap of faith to believe in all your "evidence"
, a leap Im not willing to take.


Now, Hazzard, I understand exactly what the data is saying, and it is apparenty, you don't. Is it any wonder as to why a professor who teaches such technology at a military institute, came out on the side of ET's craft?

You see, I have repeatedly stated that "knowledge" gives you the ability of knowing what is going on. So once again:

Does the data depict a flying vehicle whose performance characteristics exclude aircraft?

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A picture isnt proof of aliens. These days they are too easy to fake.


Once again, Hazzard, you continue to prove my case. The photo was P-R-O-V-E-N not to been a fake after analysis, which is fact, is exactly what thousands of witnesses were reporting anyway and just last year, more photos of the object were released by the Belgian Air Force. As noted earlier, the President of Brazil wen public after scientific analysis had proven that the flying saucer was in fact, a real craft.

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'If the Mars rovers took a picture of a lady on Mars, would this be enough for you to claim as a fact that theres girls on Mars...??


Is that a trick question???

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I dont care if the President of Brazil believes in aliens! I need better proof then a picture. rolleyes.gif


Apparently, you failed to understand the specifics about that flying saucer, which once again, you failed to do your homework.
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