yes...yes there are. i cant believe you just said that.
and ufos are, Unidentified. and many times, Unexplained. and more unique, seeing as we know so little about it

One of the explanations is that it could of been my mother in law.

The point is that you can't attempt to falsify one sides position by saying they have yet to produce evidence. Tis a logical fallacy.

... .........................................*shivers*......

There are many things that Aliens left behind when they came to Earth like the microchip

....................what...............

I would echo Mulder here....huh?!?! If you look into the development history of the transistor and the integrated circuit, you''ll find that it has a very well documented history with no sudden leaps or discoveries, making the chance of being of ET origin very, very slim indeed.

Have some faith in mankind, we can actually develop technology all by ourselves!

Cheers,
Badeskov

I agree fully

Where has any of our knowledge come from?

Men in black or signs? I'm sorry to say this but i belive and up til now know because of lack of evidence that Alien life exists.

But then again, we know only one thing that is outside of our solar system which is that there are other galaxies and solar systems. We know nothing else, but most belief is based on truth and knowledge, so therefore, we know that because there was life on Earth because of the evolving of micro - organisms when the world first started. This therefore means that there could be life outside of our world and that the other thing that we know is that we may never find out if there is or there isn't and whoknows for certain?



One thing I know is that we eveolved, Why can't anyone else? And to quote signs:

Do you see signs? See miracles? Or are you the type of person who things it is all just coincidence, that things Just happen?

I'm Replying to REPTILIAN here, that was a stupid thing to say but a briliant retort. Have you ever seen a remote town in india? no? then how do u know it exists? a conspiracy? I think not and also seeing is not believeing, that is an absolute erroneous and furthermore stupid thing to say to be quite frank!!! How can you possibly put the basis on extraterrestrial life on seeing is believing? if you havent seen it it doesnt mean it doesnt exist!!! you must realise this if you can possibly stand on the verge of discovery and say fallible things like this then you can never and will never find answers..


Cheers, GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

This isn't recent post, but i saw it while searching and i think that this is incorrect in some areas. firstly well ofcourse most people are going to say they saw the phenomenon in BARILOCHE 1956 but could it just be one person wants a bit of fame and the others like sheep have gone "oh yes if they saw it i must have seen it

it is like the domino effect, once one goes, they all go!!!

Also for your secund comment if u r reading this, name any others that occured like that.Can you easily name 30? i think not

oh and by the way these named would have to be strong enough to apply some evidence, not something like "oh yes I saw it over my broccoli as i was packing my car full of groceries at night, with alot of clouds. But i thought that i saw something, but it could've been the glimmer of the street light on my key? I dont know what i saw??"

We havent made many deliberate broadcasts to extraterrestrials, but in 1974, as part of a ceremony at the economy-sized Arecibo radio telescope, the observatory staff arranged to beam a three-minute message to a few hundred thousand stars in the constellation of Hercules.

The message consisted of a simple picture showing the structure of our solar system and the structure of ourselves DNA and its chemical building blocks. Innocuous enough.

What was not so innocuous was the reaction. Englands Astronomer Royal was aghast at the thought of our freelance pinging of unknown galactic inhabitants. Despite the fact that the message was short and directed to a globular cluster 21,000 light-years distant, he felt that we might be endangering ourselves by "shouting in the jungle."

WHAT IF THERE ARE PREDATORS OUT THERE!?

Given the brevity and remote target of this broadcast, such concerns were surely overwrought. But the point is worth considering: Is it a good idea for anyone deliberately to beam high-powered signals into space?

Granted we wont live to see or witness the effect of the outcome, but some one will be here.

Humans, who are a long way from being able to make sporting trips to other star systems, dont rely on predation much. We farm our food, and soon well manufacture it. Killing as the Predators do, is no longer considered socially acceptable in most circles. Real Predators, who must be many thousands of years ahead of us, have presumably moved beyond this.

Presumably.

Its relatively easy to detect biology in space. How easy would it be for them to learn of our existence? If theyve already built planet-finding telescopes, comparable to, or slightly better than, the one that NASA will be hefting into orbit in the next dozen years, then they could detect the Earth.

With substantially larger telescopes, they could find our planet from hundreds or even thousands of light-years distance. Not only that, but they could also spectroscopically sample the light reflected from our atmosphere, and learn that it has large quantities of oxygen and methane, tell-tale markers of biology.

If we found another planet with the right conditions and life on it we would probably do anything to get our butts overe there.

We might get the answer sooner than expected, after all, they could be closer than the constalation Hercules.

Once again, you are trying to find conspiracy theories which arent there, the aurora for one is a scientific phenomenon whcih has ALOT of evidence, how can you POSSIBLY attempt to think that the Aurora doesn't exist. YOU ARE COMPLETELY OFF THE POINT AND TO BE QUITE FRANK I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT THE AURORA DOESN'T EXIST, YOU EVER SEEN IT, YOU EVEN BEEN TO THE NORTH POLE? NO HOW DO U KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT????

ufos have tons of explanations. bigfoot has none, and u would have to be a complete moron to misidentify a 8ft ape for a bear

I fully agree with Hazard here, if you stop and think for a minit and say to urself if I was an Extra Terrestrial Life Form and you intercepted the radio frequencies to our planet, they could gain a lot of knowledge. What Hurts us what doesn't how we survive and ways to exploit it, and I now think that we all need to just take a step back a bit making assumptions like they are friendly/ not friendly, and furthermore we need to reflect on knowledge we already have. If you think about it, the chances of there not being another planet that supports life can in fact be put into some form of equation.



If you have P for the numba of planets and L for likeliness/ probability of the planets existing the chances are that no one in the world knows how many planets, galaxies solar systems etc. but again that is an assumption, so think about it, say therewere say 10 planets in the universe able to support life, the probability would be .............. ( LOOK AT BOTTOM) now compared to just one Earth, that COULD and i am highlighting that for a purpose, could be ten Earth like places. THIS ISN'T FACT AT ALL, I AM BARELY MAKING AN ASSUMPTION. US HUMANS HAVE BARELY SCRATCHED THE SURFACE OF ASTONOMICAL PHENOMENON. PLEASE DONT MISINTERPRET THIS AS ACCURATE CUZ ILL HAVE ALOAD OF PEOPLE UP MY ASS FROM THE BOARDS ASKIN ME WHERE MY INFO CAME FROM. THIS ISN'T AT ALL TRUTH!!!!!

P P
---- ----
L 10

So, what you're saying is...THE ALIENS ARE ALREADY HERE.

Not at all, what i am saying is that for life there must be a way of surviving, and what i meant to say, maybe my wording isnt correct, that in other systems, galaxies there may be other planets that support life, therefore there could be x amount of earth like planets out there that support alien life. I f its is possible for US, maybe it could happen again. History has a way of rpeatin itself thas all im tryin to say.

a complete moron eh?

well, there are alot of them out there. i mean i just watched the president on tv last night.

Time to teach the ten year old a lesson. There already is an equation out there that was formulated by Prof. Drake. Its called the Drake Equation. And its a lot better formulated than your half-ass attempt of math. Second off you're talking about stuff that has already been well conversed over on this thread. And third, people just hate it when you use all caps. Noone in there right mind argues that there is life, or even ingelligent life in the universe other than us. The question is on this thread is weather or not that they are coming here. And proof of said event. Don't mean to be rude, but seriously try knowing a little about the subject and the materials before barging in full of hot air.

That is why I started this thread. We all would like to take a look at The best evidence for aliens on Earth there is at this time. Anyone is welcome to post their proof and see if it "holds water".

If we, in the end, can find a claim of Aliens on Earth that does, well, then we might have something.

I like the Drake equation better. It states that where...

N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which we might hope to be able to communicate;
and

R∗ is the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp is the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne is the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fℓ is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc is the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L is the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.



Considerable disagreement on the values of most of these parameters exists, but the values used by Drake and his colleagues in 1961 were...

R* = 10/year (10 stars formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy)
fp = 0.5 (half of all stars formed will have planets)
ne = 2 (stars with planets will have 2 planets capable of supporting life)
fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)
fi = 0.01 (1% of which will be intelligent life)
fc = 0.01 (1% of which will be able to communicate)
L = 10,000 years (which will last 10,000 years)

Drakes values give N = 10 × 0.5 × 2 × 1 × 0.01 × 0.01 × 10,000 = 10.



But in the end, the Drake Equation is nothing more then an educated guess.

Doubtful, since it's the convienient absence of definitive proof that is presented as proof irrefutable.

Whilst its a possibility that intelligent life is somewhere out there in that vast area commonly refered to as space/the universe, all we the proof of ET contact on Earth is little more than a shared mistrust of authority and it's agencies;
coupled with a misunderstanding of how they work and ultimately fuelled by a misplaced indignation that one's assumed 'right to know' is somehow being cuckolded by the state.

And somehow, through this tenous allegation of wrongdoing by the state, the logical leap is made that failure to produce 'the evidence', is in fact proof of existence...
Maybe if those who believe would excercise a little autonomy as opposed to letting a select few dictate their thinking for them (and I mean intellectually rebel against those 'authority figures' within their own community) we might see something interesting develop, rather than the hacked to death 'tried and tested' cases...

"truth" without evidence is just arbitrary.

I had a really great AP bio teacher in high school who also had a minor in astronomy. He had a really great lesson about astro-biology and the point of it pretty much was that chances are that the conditions present on earth are so perfect that life should statistically have never existed. Now if you get into an explanation of life existing in certain conditions due to a different atomic interaction via a varied sub atomic structure then I would lean towards saying extra terrestrial life is possible. Or anti-matter or dark matter life forms.

In the billions of years, of all the billions of lifeforms that lives, and have lived on Earth, there is only one that has developed the intelligence to go into space.

Something to think about.

And your absolutely right apart frm my age, but all i was tryin to point out was that if us on earth evolved, why couldn't there be others out there as i sed to bill hill, it is only tryin to point out something that we all r thinkin right now, if we did it why cant ny1 else? Also, i no all bout drakes equation, and secondly, do u think that i care if i use caps? i dont, and also, why dont u cut me a bit of slack, ive only just joined lol!! and funily enough thinking of somethings origin is a building block of where they come from and why they would come.

Has anyone ever thought about this before, like the people who said oom I saw one yes!! Do you ever actually think that they even think about what they say, never mind actually giving misleading evidence about things, and I totally agree with people hoo dont believe in eyewitness accounts. DONT!!! Most are lies, and most are misconceptions of truth. I rememba commenting to Makaya I think a while ago, asking him to put down on the boards, some irrefutable eye witness accounts such as the whole state of kentucky or nabraska or something like that saw the whole thing.

And do you know why it would be impossible for Makaya or whomever I contacted on there views, to put down something like this because it hasnt happened.

It isn't possible to stop news like this spreading around the world, evenif the government ask for a hush up, because the news would eventually spread through neighbouring states by women telling their mothers or men telling friends and family, and they then spread it. We are talking about phenomenon, the word means:

1. a fact, occurrence, or circumstance observed or observable: to study the phenomenon of nature.
2. something that is impressive or extraordinary.
3. a remarkable or exceptional person; prodigy; wonder.
4. Philosophy. a. an appearance or immediate object of awareness in experience.
b. Kantianism. a thing as it appears to and is constructed by the mind, as distinguished from a noumenon, or thing-in-itself.

(courtesy of www.dictionary.com)

As you can see, if you saw something of that magnitude it would therefore be irrefutable truth. Until that time it will be lies, im sorry to this and somewhere there may be a real story, if there is, type it so that the hungry vultures of the boards, will gobble it up and spit it back out lol. but i stand by what i say, i will need incontrovertible evidence to suggest that aliens have visited our planet.


I do believe that there could be life out there but up til now i think that since the 50s 60s and 70s people have set trend by lying about ufo sightings or a bright light from mars, im sorry but i need evidence!!

thanks GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

couldnt read your post. it hurts my eyes

but then i tried with sun glasses, and you have alota things going on there, i got lost. i first thought you were a big believer, and then youre asking for All this evidenceso you can believe. but the only way you'll get it then, is if you see something yourself im guessin.

As a few other posters have already pointed out, do you think it would be possible to use a normal font and black color for said font? Your posts are incredibly hard to read as they, literally, as Mulder pointed out hurt the eyes and some serious eye protection is required.

If you would like people to actually read your posts, try to make them a little less "visually challenging" - just a suggestion

Cheers,
Badeskov

You're right, after considering putting sunsreen on my eyebealls i have now decided to stick to black. lol


Firstly, to comment on Ahent Mulder, you are correct, but i do believe in aliens, i just dont believe in the eyewitness accounts that many people "exagerrate" about when they happened to see a flying saucer.

I felt that i needed to clear up the fact that i am quite a big believer i just DONT believe in the eyewitness accounts. I hoped that cleared it up. I am not really that guud at putting my ideas down in writing, so im sorry.

thanks

GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

oh and p.s I think that u shud go on another forum run by makaya, something like saucer over london, it has a link to the sun newspaper showing a flying saucer.

I actually thought it was one of those pendants you can buy for your car (because it was taken in a car on a road in london) you know like furry dice, but another guy sed it could be the speedometer reflection, check it out!!

So what do you consider hard evidence of aliens on Earth??

What do I consider hard evidence? I dont, i dont believe that aliens have been to earth, then only piece of weak evidence is crop circles, but they can easily be faked with just boards and ropes, i hope i cleared that up 4 u. But i do believe that aliens will come to earth but i dont no wen and i dont no were theyll come from and neither does ny1 else.


Thanks

GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Now its readable...

What do I consider hard evidence? I dont, i dont believe that aliens have been to earth, then only piece of weak evidence is crop circles, but they can easily be faked with just boards and ropes, i hope i cleared that up 4 u. But i do believe that aliens will come to earth but i dont no wen and i dont no were theyll come from and neither does ny1 else.




Sad skyeagle isnt here to respond this


What do you think of ufos spotted by aircraft pilots and caught on ground radar?

Well, radar can be very reliable, but as i have recently said, im am shaky on the subject of eyewitness accounts. Also, could you name one of thoseincidents for me? it would broaden my understanding.

thanks

GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

"Well, radar can be very reliable, but as i have recently said, im am shaky on the subject of eyewitness accounts. Also, could you name one of thoseincidents for me? it would broaden my understanding."




There are a lot of cases involving military and civilian pilots

Watch this videos from history channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWYGRuJkNr0

kk thanx m8

Do u no wot i think? have u eva seen jurassic park two, where jeff goldblum goes to Richard attenbouroughs mansion and comes downstairs and tlks to this lawyer guy.

The lawyer guy mentioned that goldblum has signed a contract to keep quiet.

Maybe the appropriate parties such as the us government gave all the people hoo allegedly saw ufos something like that, so that they would keep stum or there house would have a missile bearing in on them?

I dnt no but its a theory we cud all think about





thanks GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

money can keep a few people quite but I think if you really see something money is what keeps you yakkin. like the Sun, National Enq,and other rags out there. shame we all belive what we see,instead of what is really out there. ? By the way what is out there?

I know most crop circles are faked and there is ample proof of this, you shouldn't write them all off as faked though, check out this website on some crop circles in Australia:

http://www.roswellufos.com/archives/tully-nests

You'll notice that they appeared on top of water, and there is no way to fake that with rope and boards.

You know that Jurasic park 2 was a movie, right?

Interestingly enough, the hint of an oath of secrecy or threats of harm seems to be a rather common theme that comes up in cases (and one very famous case in particular) where large numbers of 'credible' witnesses are paraded out by whichever author happens to be pimping his latest book.
IMO, it's a bit of a writer's confidence trick to assure us that his witness is both truthful and innocent, by casting them in the role of 'the little guy' who's been the victim of a duplicitous and facist government; and is now taking a stand by doing 'the right thing' and 'unburdening' his conscience.
Sadly, this does not constitute evidence of ET, conspiracy by the government against its citizens or grounds for any suspicion other than that of the writer's ulterior motives...

Speaking of things to mull over, not everyone is visually impaired. Use the big fonts sparingly, unless you are actually trying to 'shout' over the top of everyone else (which is a little rude)

edit:typo

Of course I know jurrasic park was a moive, but ur missing mi point. My point was that Jeff Goldblum signed a contract to keep stum about all that happene on the island. What Im saying is that most ufo sightings are hidden or attempted to be hidden by the us government or whatever government.

That is all I was trying to point out.

Oh and by the way, I'm not trying to be rude by the size of my font!!! Listen, its ur choice what u do with ur font and size, so its my choice with what i want to do with my font and size.

Ok? Now granted, the the blue colour was a bad idea, but i think that if i have it the same font and size as everyone else then im not diffrent am i?


Thanks GUNNERYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Did you read the rules? http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/rules.php



In the interests of maintaining a quality discussion environment, please avoid the following:

4a. Shouting: Do not write in all uppercase letters, writing in this manner is considered "shouting" and makes posts difficult to read as well as looking unsightly and being annoying to other visitors.

Yh but i aint usin capitals am i? also, y r u concernin urself bout summat that duznt ave nythin 2 do with the topic.

I have bin using a different font not in captials, theres a difference. If u want me 2 be borin and like a sheep then fine!!

U try to be a little bit different, but no u ave to go n tell me wot to do!!

its not about originality here, or being a sheep. but more so, following the rules or code of conduct that Allow you to be on this forum in the first place. and yes, the big blue was annoying.
if you want be different than Everyone else, thats what you display pic is for, or your signature. go be unique.
but back on topic. so, you said youre a big believe in aliens, but not in aliens visiting earth then? and like pointed out before, what do youhave to say about the military pilots seeing things? or capturing it On Radar, and using it as proof that something was out there.

I answered that before, I said that, i am shaky on eyewitness accounts, but radar can be very accurate. The only evidence that we have is crop circles, but the can be faked by boards and ropes. Also, Anarkhy gave me a link and i watched it and im starting to come over to the side of aliens visiting the earth, i am not abandoning my beliefs, all i am sayin is that in some cases there is a lot of quite strong evidence to suggest that aliens have visited the earth

I hope i have answered ur comment fully and to the best of my ability.

Thanks GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN.

UFO's are unidentified objects in the sky, thats all. Perhaps misidentififcations, or test-vehicles, or imagination. THey are not, however, "alien spaceships' as the distances are just too great even if there is intelligent life capable of traveling space. Sure there are possibilites of extra-dimensional warp-space, black-hole nonsense; but to engage in such speculation is pointless and driven by nothing other than wishful day dreaming by 'UFOlogists' who add nothing to any serious discussion. So, thats that.

i hope youre not saying crop circles are better evidence than radar. actually, the eye witness testimonies are most likely better than crop circles at times.

Sorry to burst ur bubble mate and although u have some good points, everyone says "oh yes where did you get ur facts from?" well where did u get ur facts from that they arent "Alien spaceships" as you so bluntly put it, so before you start making assumptions and not showing an open mind like the warning at the top of the page asked you too. I appreciate that you have some opinions and views like we all do on the boards, but you've got to at least attempt to take them in and have a balanced view if possible

Cheers GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

thats the lamest thing ove ever heard. you claim that its impossible for intelligent life to travel that far in space, but you have no means of justifying that, or proving it to us. your claims are just as outrageous as others.
its just wishful day dreaming for you as well, that youre actually correct when you make sweeping statements like that. now test-vehicles? possibly. but all misidentifications or imagination is just sad. i thought you could have come up with something better. you cant say something Isnt extra-terrestrial, and i cant say it is for sure.

Sorry to burst ur bubble mate and although u have some good points, everyone says "oh yes where did you get ur facts from?" well where did u get ur facts from that they arent "Alien spaceships" as you so bluntly put it, so before you start making assumptions and not showing an open mind like the warning at the top of the page asked you too. I appreciate that you have some opinions and views like we all do on the boards, but you've got to at least attempt to take them in and have a balanced view if possible

Cheers GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN





Oh and im sorry i repeated this post, i didnt think it worked