Evangium, thank you for the welcome; I appreciate it. I hope I'm able to add something positive to the forum.

Sky Eagle, you say this:
So we have evidence of (presumably) ET being here for 50,000 years, is that right? Yet all of the evidence has been covered up in one way or another by the various world governments? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I have to say though, one thing that stands out is how long we've been waiting for disclosure, without it ever happening. I recall hearing stories from the contactees in the 50s telling us it was imminent. I waited through the 60s for it to happen (and I was a believer in the late 60s/ early 70s--boy, oh, boy, the Hickson/Parker incident really fired me up!). And disclosure is still sometime in the future....

I've gone past blue and have turned purple from holding my breath.

Look in the mirror. You're one out of approximately 25 million other species on this planet who has managed to advance and evolve to your current state - while every single one of the other ones have essentially remained unchanged. If that's not evidence of outside evolutionary guidance and influence, I don't know what is. Besides, the only difference between creation and evolution is our current perception of time, since everything that evolves is in a perpetual state of creation, while everything that was created still followed an evolutionary path - and is continuing to do so today.

Sometime we're too close to what we seek in order to see it.

I can ask the same thing about the moon landing, where is the absolute, incontrovertible, undeniable proof that humankind one day walked on the moon? There is none, all the videos can be faked, all pictures are blurry.

My cellphone has more processing power than any computer that time, so we could use an iphone to build a rocket today and it will be much more powerful than that rocket full of gasoline. Technology yesterday, technology today.

Anyway, i dont think we can expect any kind of earthly explanation if the ufo phenomenon is alien, it would be so much bizarre to the human experience and would change our perspective of the universe, about us and god.

And the lack of evidence cant be seen as negative of ets on earth, we dont know what to expect from other worlds and dont know where to look, the movie 2001 shows the moment we acquired a new status of development where the humankind for the first time was able to detect and alien device, this day is still to come.

If you believe there's nothing up my sleeve, then nothing is cool

p.s...one word...Moon Rocks. Incontrovertible evidence.
Pieces of them are all over the world, in the hands of many scientists. The bulk of them are stored in two separate locations in Texas, hermetically sealed, vacuum packed, and protected in pristine condition for future research projects...


Yes, as is clearly evident, all pictures are blurry... (one of maybe 6,000 similarly blurry pictures taken on the Moon)
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I can't make out a thing...


All the videos can be faked...TODAY. Not then. And of course, they weren't.
You'd have to prove that they were, and that isn't possible.





I am thinking that the Ritalin you're not taking maybe ought to be...although it pains me to reccomend that to anyone.
But you're just not focusing...

..........Gasoline is not rocket fuel. Never was, never will be...

We invented the computer technology required to do what was necessary pertaining to Apollo guidance and navigation.
Building the launch vehicle and spacecraft occurred a long time ago, and was largely the result of brains, pencils and paper and an ancient device called a slide rule...

You obviously weren't around back then, or you would know this.

Ok, lets see this physical trace evidence!!

Wait, let me guess...They are hidden away at Area 53!?



I hope that is true, and that its some sort of real evidence, not just people saying that its true, Incontrovertible evidence, like the example MID had about man walking on the moon, the moon rocks, real evidence. But I suspect its more of the same old reports that you have posted many times in the past...

Yes it has...long ago. We are perfectly capable of detecting a strong magnetic field, and have been for a long time.
Did you watch the movie?

You do understand that it was fiction as well, right?

I'm sure there's quite a few people with high level physics degrees on this board who would be very interested to see this physics model that conclusively proves the obviously mechanical nature of an unknown object that we have no data on its physical make up.

Except when it's you frothing at the mouth about the reality of advanced alien technology capable of doing manouveres that seem to completely disregard physics entirely. Then, and only then, is it all right for you (and only you) to rewrite those laws ( usually with some statement that implies that the impossible to our own tech and understanding of science is conclusive proof of advanced ET tech ("reminds me of those who scoffed at the idea of heavier than air flight hours befor the Wright Brothers...et al.").

my mind becomes the spice the spice becomes space,the space becomes time,you go ! guys! bad knows take two of those and report in tomorrow

Hahaha, thanks

Cheers,
Badeskov

We already have? Why this guy think we still need 100 years to acquire technology capable of detecting alien intelligence?

Rocks are not proof of anything, rocks fall from space on earth all time, show me the crater on the moon where that rocket landed, and how the american flag is swinging if there is no wind there? And where in the hell is that flag, since no one was able to see it on the moon surface?

The monolith is not fiction, scientists found one of those in the Egypt pyramids. And now they keep the monolith with the roswell debris and dead alien bodies in area 51 base. The military dont want to give back to reptilians the monolith, thats why they are coming back to earth to kill us all in 2012 when the planet x, home of reptilians, gets closer to earth.

Look this picture again link, no stars on sky, the only object in livid color is the american flag all the rest is gray or yellow, not to mention the size of the presumable astronaut, the guy is too fat to fit in the lander... the moon here is too plane, no craters, when we all know its more like a swiss cheese link.

Area 53 being Area 51's little known neighbor where all the good stuff is hidden (Area 51 being surrounded some very nosy people and full of rouge scientists (Bob Lazar et. al.)), I presume..



That would be very nice if there actually came something substantial out, however, I would personally doubt that they have any. As a UFO study started in 1996 by the British Government's Defence Intelligence Staff concluded (from wiki - the scan of the full report is in the references).



Emphasis mine. Well, that is basically one Government saying what they have concluded and it wasn't really uplifting for proving the ET visitation of Earth...

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typo.

A lot more info in this thread - I think that will put to rest a lot of your doubts

Cheers,
Badeskov

No, he doesn't - he says that he estimates that we will be about 100 years before transitioning from being a type 0 to a type 1 civilization.



It is very easily determined whether a given rock has been within the atmosphere of the Earth or not!



And what exactly do you suggest that we look after that flag with? Your garden variety telescope?!



OK, back on the meds

Cheers,
Badeskov

That was creepy, i wasn't expecting any staid response...



What he says in the end of the video? "and how long before we have a operating moon base capable of detecting such a monolith? perhaps a hundred years." or what?

Back to the ufos and skyeagle radar evidence, why is NASA ignoring those radar tracks? They should at least have a look on the data and provide a valid explanation, what kind of natural phenomenon generate those reports.

Ok, there is some strange balls of plasma and magnetic interference, but can this oddly lights enter and leave earth atmosphere? And sometimes crosses an entire continent and disappear up to space?

Hehe, sorry to upset you

Cheers,
Badeskov

There are thousands of things that can and do give radar tracks; I just don't think they see anything out of the ordinary and from what I have seen (which is obviously only a very small part), honestly neither do I.



That is alleged behavior, not verified. Some day when they actually have a radar track that shows something enetring the atmosphere and then leaving again, it might be worth looking at. Until then, there isn't really anything.

Cheers,
Badeskov

I agree. Im perfectly happy with leaving some things unexplained. Not everything can be explained. That is however NOT the same as proof of ET.




True...

Right now the northern hemisphere is now covered by powerful phased-array radars which could detect anything moving near the Earth almost instantly, NEO? But there is never a whisper about alien spaceship detections by these powerful instruments.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/

Of course we have data on UFOs, and it fact, a professor in radar technology was one of those who planted the ET tag on one famous UFO incident in Europe. The video interview of his remarks were made available recently.

I might also add that some of those claiming ET involvement, are those with a physics background who have examined data on UFOs, and there are other scientist who have documented their own UFO encounters and I have added a few recently.

So you say, there is no data and I have already provided data obtained from the Air Force and look what you posted!!

Actually, it should be said that, there is no proof that any of the UFOs in question, are those of mankind.

On another note, I can prove beyond any doubt, that the UFOs in question, are not those of mankind.

Actually, I have already provided references to such evidence and in fact, the associate of J. Allen Hynek, is now handling physical evidence taken from UFO landing site, who was featured on TV a few months ago in regards to some famous cases.

Other physical trace evidence were noted at the Rendlesham landing site and the UFO landing site in New Mexico in regards to Lonnie Zamora's sighting, which impressed even the U. S. government. In the other case regarding the associate of J. Allen Hynek, lab results were noted during a video interview with the lab technician. In other words, no terrestrial explanation for those cases.

Yes, debris in orbit, rocks and so entering the atmosphere of the Earth is a very common occurrence and happens a lot. Nothing special there.



No, and one wonders why that is if there really were detecting such.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Tangible evidence?

Youv said that before skyeagle! You claim that there is physical trace evidence, material that does not exist in this planet or around our sun, that proves beyond a doubt that ET is here.


So I ask you...Can we see this evidence?

Ill take a link to a non-believer site please....If was it part of that UFO show you mentioned earlier, I wouldnt bother bringing it up as "evidence" anymore.

I say that the best kind of evidence would be those alien implants that some abductees have in their body. I mean, some of them are probably made from metal humans aren't even capable of finding on earth. Funny how aliens are tagging us like animals!

You have tried proving that to the skeptics for years now. The only people that agrees with you are the UFO crowd, with their mind already set. Im not saying you should stop postig, who knows, one day you might have something that impresses the scientific community.



But tell me this skyeagle, if you are so sure that there are aliens here flying around in their spaceships, are they also doing all the other stuff people report....Abduct people, rape, cutting up farm animals, doing the crops art...And witch alien race are we talking about,....The greys, the Reptillians or the Nordics??

You must have some oppinion of this, if your so sure they are here!??

(Bolding mine)
Not so far.

umm, getting close. do some research

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWDmbNKbiME...feature=related nice vid
funny how their database of 65000 know substances, that we know are possible on earth, cant be matched to the sample pulled from the human body.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWSGTxyFUXQ...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9H2xVe5rQ
also strange how the people who recieved the samples, believed they were from rare meteorites, and werent aware they had come from peoples bodies.

Ah, another hash settling comment from skypelicanist409...
If anyone should look at what they posted, it's you.
Every counterpoint you've offered up is in the context that the original remark in someway overlooked the possiblity of something of an extraterrestrial origin.
And you wonder why UfOlogy is lumped in with other psuedosciences such like palmistry, numerology and astrology. Or why people in your crowd are labelled kooks and nutters...
Now, what conclusive proof do you have that UFO=ET's mechanical spaceship and not UFO=EBE or UFO=Time Traveller or UFO=EDE?
You don't do you, since the only data you have is for a series of unrelated anamolous events.

These people freak out with cellphones and notebooks inside planes afraid they may cause some interference in the navigation system and crash but ignore possible wrists of energy in the atmosphere? They should know the difference between debris, rocks and oddly balls of light signature in radar.

Is all radar data made public? Lets say if an object enters our atmosphere, is caught on radar, stand still for 3 days, and go back to space, will this event made public? I don't think so.

Some more evidence of ets




Chupa-Cabras




Et de Varginha




Cattle Mutilation




Reptilians




Painful Abductions

Perhaps I am repeating what some one has already said...but what the hell:

You referred to 2001: A Space Oddysey. The technology involved was that which led to the discovery of a powerful magnetic field beneath the ground somewhere in Tycho Crater. That led to the discovery of what was obviously an alien artifact, which of course implied alien life.

Now, that technology is already available, but the discovery of a magnetic field is simply that. Discovering alien life will simply be a matter of discovering it's signals, having one of them pop into one's back yard, or whatever. I think your 100 years statement has been adequately addressed.




Yes, these rock are proof. You don't know much about them do you?
What crater on the Moon where that rocket landed? We landed in six different places,not in any craters though.
Please...read a little before you start talking about flags moving naturally when someone moves them. Jeez...
You might answer to me how we could possibly hope to see flags, or anything else on the Moons surface? Do you have any idea what you're saying here?







No further comment.

No kidding, no stars (hint: there can't be any stars in that image).
The flag was the only thing in the frame which had a color other than the typical greyish hue of the lunar surface.



Oh...another scientifically quantifyable declaration. Thanks for that. I had no idea he couldn't fit inside the lander...




Quit it anarkhy....

indeed!

I think the people in that video clip honestly need to do some research. Or get a new database. 65,000 known substances?! They apparently didn't want to find whatever they were looking for. Here is a list of the toxic effects of 150,000 chemical substances known and in use, which by no means is a complete list.

There are many times more than those 150,000 (and obviously the 65,000) chemical substances known. Also, many additional substances can be created, but they have no interest as they can't really be used for anything. That video really just mooted itself by limiting itself. And why not perform a simple spectroscopic analysis of the specimen in question? Then they could tell us exactly what it is made of. No, in my honest opinion this video is a poor attempt of sensational "reporting" with the preset goal of finding something unknown.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typo.

Seems to be OK to me...he's obviously in there, and getting ready to come out.
(p.s....we don't have any "fat" astronauts...)

There is a very distinct difference in the behavior of wireless signals from cell phones and laptops compared to random electro-magnetic phenomena occurring naturally in the atmosphere. But could some natural effect cause the same intereference? Most certainly, it just happens so very rare.



Not necessarily.



And why exactly wouldn't it?! It would be obvious fairly fast that such an object wouldn't be of the former east bloc or chinese origin, and then they would have to call in the scientists. Should the military just sit on that knowledge? And in addition, it is not only the US military traking object in low earth orbit, many does that - both military and civilian - and thus burying such a discovery would be next to impossible.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Hey guys, well its been a while, sorry i havent been on for a while, problems etc. In comment to Badeskov, I agree, firstly, if something the size of a UFO just decided to stay in our airspace for 3 days, (yeah that'll happen) and the government picked it up, so would civilians aswell, surely you must realise that on Earth we have Aeroplanes, which fly in the sky. Think about it, how many Aeroplanes do you reckon fly in our airspace in 3 days? Exactly, aswell as radar picking it up, so would pilots, and passengers etc on the planes. Granted, maybe it may go to outer mongolia were planes dont usually fly, but what information would it fathom from that area? none which therfore tells us the aircrafts would HAVE to go to a densely populated area or a busy country if it was looking to fathom information.

It would be ipossible for the government to cover something like this up, basically impossibe.

Thanks GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN


Oh and by the way, my pic is afunny pic of bush on who wants to be a millionaire. Go on this link to see it on full size (theres been confusion with it lol) people think i like him!: http://www.thewilyfilipino.com/images/bush_warhuh.jpg

great pic MID that was a wonderful machine we made in the good old days of space flight,got to actually see the full scale mock up in houston in 1973 as a aeronautic student we got a small pc of mylar to keep and meet a few astronauts.schools were great back then. keep postin those pics. It might suprise some of the forum people how thin that skin really was. put your bic pen right through it if you wanted too. DONTEATUS

Ok, no secrecy in military or government field. They would run to press in the first signal of et visitation...

Then why is ufo files still classified?

There's a great deal of info. The fellow from G. Britain that hacked servers and database resources uncovered quite a bit. Many terabytes of information.
However, his extradition for prosecution went without a hitch, and he's no longer news interest. Which doesn't sound good from his viewpoint.
His motivations were what led to his demise, as he wanted to scrutinize certain handlings, and also profit from the sell of this information; he was in fact a techno-anarchist. To make up a term...

From what I've understood thus far: When a CIA agent became despondent at needing money, she let loose a laptop. Which contained many, many codes and passwords. This wound up on the black market. It was this info. that led to penetration of top-secret access sites. In the precursor notion of black-market fare, this gentleman then decided he would sell more information. The top buyers, I think, were Eastern Block European countries. IE, Bulgaria, Belgium, and several other Baltic States. They have a great deal of need, in the ET syndrome. Either as hype or what have you.

This original leak was eventually played down as nothing more than SS numbers for VA's and it was not discussed much anymore in the media. However, initial reports indicated something major, on the order of cover-up, and something about "Grand Design"; where it was indicated havoc was the intention, as too many had become indoctrinated, and the spill-over was no longer containable. Which now, of course, is quite 'blurred' within confines of "FU/Have a Nice Day". In other words, dabble and you face what might be called a slurry of lies, and practice at what is supposedly happening to certain individuals on a grand-order. Blight with a 'raping' of the Mind, so to speak...

Sure the government lies and cover-up stuff all the time! But this is in noway proof of aliens on Earth.



It is assumed by UFOlogists that the government, especially the CIA, is lying and covering up alien landings and communication. The common thought is that still not released reports or blacked out parts of a released report is evidence of ET. There are many reasons why they would blackout parts of a report.

However, there is no evidence for this other than a general distrust of the government and the fact that many government officials have lied, distorted the truth, and been mistaken when reporting to the general public. The CIA, however, has shown little interest in UFOs since about 1950, except to encourage UFOlogists to believe that reconnaissance flights and other experimental aircrafts might be of extraterrestrial origin.

Most unidentified flying objects are eventually identified as hoaxes or astronomical events, aircraft, satellites, weather balloons, RC blimps, ball lightning and other natural phenomena, etc. Some are not resolved because of inconclusive evidence. None have been resolved by putting forth overwhelming evidence that aliens have either flown by or landed on our planet.

The reason no logical explanation seems credible to UFOlogists is probably because those making and hearing the reports either do not want to hear a logical explanation or they make little or no effort to find one.

And, that is what has been indicated in many cases. It was indicated that there were no earthly explanation for the results as noted.





Keep watching the science channels and I am sure the programs will be presented once again.



CSI, previously known as CSICOP, and The Skeptic's Dictionary, along with the Skeptical Inquirer, are not going to provide the results in a manner that depicts reality. They have been caught with their pants down before and I don't see any changes in that regard anytime soon. After all, they still claim that a Mogul balloon train #4 was responsible for the Roswell incident, which is an indication where they are coming from because if they were truly open-minded, they would have acknowledged by now that no such flight ever existed and why researchers have now begun to realize that fact as well.

Questions should be; what is it the government is covering up when they do so? Why do they go to such efforts to cover up what they don't want us to know?




It has already been proven that the government does lie on UFOs. That was clearly evident when the CIA was taken to court and afterwards,all of these government UFO documents began to flow out into the open like water flowing over waterfall. The CIA was also caught again when it claimed that the U-2 was explained away as a UFO back during the 1950's when in fact, the government explained the U-2 as a high-altitude weather aircraft. In fact, the government went so far as to apply NASA markings on the U-2 to hide its true mission. I have provided the specifies on what took place several times in the past on this board and elsewhere.

The list goes on and on and it is very clear the government has been lying to us about UFOs, which was evident when the public found out about the Air Force Academy's science book of the 1960's. Here is a case where they were telling their cadets one thing on UFOs, and painting a completely different picture for the public.



That might be a reason why there is a shortage of 'black ink' in Washington D.C., since the govenment uses a lot of 'black ink' on its UFO documents.




Actually, the military have already released documentation on its own UFO encounters and the RB-47/UFO encounter is one example of many. Even the FAA has released specifics on the JAL/UFO encounter over Alaska in 1986, which corroborated the reports of the aircrew that they were trailed by flying saucers, one of which was larger than ships.



On the contrary, documentation available under the FOIA, has shown that the CIA was very much involved in UFOs.

So you see, there is much to learn, and all it takes is to go outside and see what is going on in the world.

The bottom line is that aliens exist.

yeah...no. the cia has been involved and interested in ufos from the 40's until the 90's at least. and possibly still right now.
you should get your facts straight, before you try to use them to favour arguement. now you look foolish.
and the government/u.s.a.f. basically lied about their stuidying of ufos before, and that they 'stopped' doing it. so maybe the cia is now, and theyre still studying.

well they have to keep studying then.

The military has claimed a number of things when it comes to Roswell, and other cases. I dont see you questioning their first report about "capturing a flying saucer." How can you be sure they werent lying then? How do you know they didnt drop a nuke, or something as serious, by misstake, and used the UFO story to cover it all up. Are you by any chance looking for things that agrees with your belief and ignoring the rest!?

I think its better to investigate UFOs by falsification.

Sure, there are some interest in Unidentified Flying Objects, everybody is more or less interested in this topic. But show me were the CIA is investigating the ETH...And not a terrestrial threat, to US national security.




Ahh the irony.

I dont even know how to respont to that. Take a look at your last hundred posts and then look at hazzards...I think its painfully obvious who shouldnt talk about looking foolish.

yes, im the fool for correcting his post oooooh my. you sure got me there.....dont i look foolish
(good god ***SNIP***)
anyways, i never said they looked into the ET hypothesis. were talking about ufos, and their study of them (well at least hazzard was. maybe you should read some more. so you dont look like a fool).
and heres why its annoying too. they say theyre not studying it, then when documents are released, you see they have Numerous files on it, for the years they Wereny Studying it, apparently. and then its even worse when they say "ufos are not big deal. we dont care that much about it" and then when people ask for some of the documents "uhh, yeah, we cant give that. its a threat to national security if we give you info, about something we dont care about or even look into"
.....right