People...

please play nicely or not at all. Cut out the name calling and personal attacks. Attack the point of view not the person that holds it.

Thank you.

I agree with Waspie Dwarf here. Personal attacks is not a good way to debate.

...No need to get upset about it moulder.

Hazzard said...

Get it...he never said no interest.

You know what I find curious? Let's assume for the moment that these UFOs are ET....they've not caused us any demonstrable harm (I'm not accepting abduction stories as demonstrable). I mean no ID4, no War of the Worlds, nothing. The logical conclusion would be they either don't exist, or they're harmless, because I firmly believe if they could travel a minimum of 4 light years, we'd be absolutely powerless to stop them.

Therefore, they're not a threat.

Good point Nigel. I do agree with your "either or" speculation aswell. But, I cant believe untill I have better proof then what we have seen so far from the "they are here" crowd.

Thats just me, leaving nothing to faith.

So what if balloons or fireflies are misinterpreted with machines in sky. If you simplify to this point there is nothing to look for. There are cover ups and black ops to whatever motivation they find necessary, usually is mundane and political issues. Who in this forum is concerned about what CIA is doing in africa or colombia? No one.


The discussion here is the government hide pertinent information about ufos when they can be associated to et. When these ufos are investigate all data and info is kept away from the public and people is threatened to keep their mouth shut. This is happening until now, when commercial or military pilots or even radar operators sight these kind of ufos they are forbidden to talk about, when the correct would be to detail the occurrence for further analises and then find a proper explanation.


Again ufos flying in formation with a plane, reported by a second aircraft, caught on radar and all we have is fragmented pieces of information.


There's Nothing To See Here, Please Move Along NOW!

Cool stuff!




They sure were!
It's one of those things that bothers me to no end...we keep seeing the profound evidence of how they're not really so great anymore...

Well, take heart, my son (almost 20) is one sharp cookie. He's an economics major and is getting a very good education. I think it's that those who haven't availed themselves of educational opportunities tend to stand out more!

Oh, Lil you certainly have that right...

It's complex, most assuredly. One really cannot make a generalized statement that covers the whole system of education concisely, of course.
There's certainly a complex demographic involved, and as well, a parental involvement thing, not only with their children directly but with their children's schools.

I know your Son is a smart kid (and if I'm recalling properly, a BIG KID as well...so it's probably completely stupid to say anything but complimentary things about him...even from a distance!!!! )...

Then there's his Mom, the teacher...I think that's a major influence.


I am willing to bet you've been involved intimately all along. I'm also willing to bet that your Son learned to avail himself of the resources and opportunities available for his enrichment.

I'd also wager that he read more books than he played video games, eh?

Actually, I'd say it's about equal there. However, he did tear apart his old game systems to see how they work (I go to him for all my computer questions). Things are rather different today...*sigh*.

Aah, now there is something that would sound familiar - to my parents

Cheers,
Badeskov

Unfortunately there is a type of pelicanist mentality that exists wtihin some of the more diehard of members of that crowd, whereby there is no other explanation of UFO than misidentified ET Spaceship.
There is no hypothetical harmless (since they buzz commercial airliners in a fashion similar to reckless teenage joyriders).
No hypothetical unknown form of extraterrestrial lifeform other than space'men' in their spaceship (since the government has a few bodies stashed away, and the discloure movement has 'disclosed as many as 50-odd humanoid species).
And the governments of the world (i.e. the Northern Hemisphere) has conspired to keep this a 'secret' from the vox populis.
Interesting then that the MOD has publicly gone on record as saying that the RAF is only interested if the UFO is a threat to air security (read hostile); and in the Southern Hemisphere, the RAAF's ufo reports were publically available (and still are) up to about 1983, when they determined that these UAS posed no threat to Australia, and that private UFO research groups were more than capable of investigating these sightings ().

I fully agree there, what we fear is not the aliens, ET or UFOS, its the fear of the unknown. Films for many years have portrayed alies as beings of unequality, evilness (not sure thats a word lol!! ) or tyrants. Films like War of the Worlds as NigelTM said or signs, independence day, close encounters, the list is endless. Filmakers and sci - fi writers alike (we cant forget them!! ) have portrayed these charcters through fear of the unknown, fear of fear itself. I find it ludicrous and dumb - witted to think that aliens would be like that.

Anyone who has evidence otherwise, bring it forward please. Until that day, I will not presume anything about the type of race the aliens are.

Hopefully, if aliens do come to earth, i am right lol!!!

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Oh and p.s Sorry I havent been on the boards for a while, family problems etc. I know that i explained that before, but just incase any of you diddnt see it. Im happy to be typing again eh?

haha !!

Argument from ignorance.

The claim that aliens must have careened out of control above the New Mexico desert simply because some classified government documents sport a bunch of blacked out text. How does the latter prove the former?

Sure, the missing verbiage is consistent with a government cover-up of an alien crash landing. But its also consistent with an infinitude of other scenarios, not all of them involving sloppy alien pilots.

While these beliefs of yours, they are just that, tantalize viewers by suggesting that they are finally going to get to the bottom of the so called UFO mysterie, they never do.

If youre going to believe, or for that matter, claim as a fact, that extraterrestrials are strafing the cities, then I suggest you find evidence that leaves no doubt among the professionally skeptical community, known as the world of science.






I could not agree more.

my littleone is 12 and looks at the things in my old photo albums and the classic motor cars,raceing over the last 30 yrs and wants to know if we will be around for him to get a chance to do kool things too? Or will he die fighting a needless war for oil and power! at 12 he ask me that. dont tell me they arent aware of our stupid decesions we are makeing. they may not want to meet us after all sorry E.T. the human race is still needing a tune up DONTEATUS.

im not sure how to respond to it either, since it doesnt quite make sense
neither of us brought up the CIA and ETH until you came along. but w/e. if you have a point, please feel free to make it, or at Least talk about what were talking about. i was just correcting hazzard on the dates and thier interest in ufos. not sure about you
(and your posts are getting repetative. especially the last part)

Im not so sure that either one of you is getting my point about that post...

Im saying that the CIA, has shown little interest in the UFOs since the 1950...relative to what they did earlier.


Sorry for the confusion everyone.


Bottom line, the UFO = Aliens investigations must be true to the spirit of science. And that means highly skeptical, demanding, rigorous standards of evidence. And its not a hint of that from the "aliens are here" enthusiasts. For decades, they have been telling us that the long waited for disclosure, real evidence, is just around the corner, its about to be released, its being studied at this moment, and nothing ever comes of it.

Skyeagle, Im not sure if you ever answered this from Debunker... Or if you just chose to ignore it for some reason.

Has Civilian/mainstream Science actually conducted a serious unbiased investigation, into whether or not some UFO's could be Alien craft?
Of course, they'd probably need access to their own Norad type satellites and radar tracking system.
Combined with some kind of Air force... for rapid visual verification-confirmation.



Scientists away!

What are Agent Mulders, Hazzards and Skyeagles views on whether aliens are 'EVIL' or want to kill us all? Please reply? Also, if they were to invade, why? Oh and Skyeagle, I dont want to make quick jibes, or call you names, but please produce some more BALANCED evidence, instead of the 'Aliens Exist' crowds evidence. Ooh and please answer Debunkers question!

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I know this one is 2 days old, but i have to comment. This is one of the most stupid, idiotic comment I have read in a long time. If you think that the moon is completely made of craters, then your talking out of your behind. if the moon was completely mad of craters, then all we ould see is a big ball that had bites taken out of it ALL OVER! Unfortunately, andim sure others will agree Anarkhy but your under too many assumptions.

Where is your evidence that the moon has no plains. Im sorry to say this, but seriously only comment like this when evidence is provided.

Oh and by the way, before you say where is your evidence, then here it is:



The Moon's surface shows obvious evidence of having been affected by impact cratering. Impact craters form when asteroids and comets collide with the lunar surface, and globally about half a million craters with diameters greater than 1 km can be found. Since impact craters accumulate at a nearly constant rate, the number of craters per unit area superposed on a geologic unit can be used to estimate the age of the surface. The lack of an atmosphere, weather and recent geological processes ensures that many of these craters have remained relatively well preserved in comparison to those found on Earth.

The largest crater on the Moon, which also has the distinction of being the largest known crater in the Solar System, is the South Pole-Aitken basin. This impact basin is located on the far side, between the South Pole and equator, and is some 2240 km in diameter and 13 km in depth. Prominent impact basins on the near side include Imbrium, Serenitatis, Crisium, and Nectaris.

But... The moon isnt just full of craters. So unfortunately for you, Anarkhy, your wrong. The moon has flat ground as well as craters. Granted, there may be more craters, but there is flat ground

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To the best of my knowledge, the closest answer to your question would be SETI, even though they're not looking at UFOs, but if there's something closer, I'm not aware of it. I don't consider MUFON, CUFOS, CAUS, the old APRO, NICAP, etc. groups to be "scientific" in the same way the question is asking.

In regards to that reply, I don't know what alien race is involved, only that ET visitation is a reality. Also, they could very well be responsible for abductions and cattle mutilations.

As far as cattle mutilations are concerned, don't we do the same with frogs in biology classes in schools, not to mention human bodies when such bodies are donated and used for scientific purposes?

Crop circles are another thing, but I might add that UFO landing sites have been discovered from the air that are not assessible by foot.

Since the documents were related to flying saucers, as indicated in the headings of some of those government documents, then the government doesn't want the public to know the rest of the story and why they covered the document with a lot of black ink.



The aliens may not have been sloppy at all. There could have been a number of reasons why crashes occurred that the public is not aware of, but known only to government officials. Their safety record might be even better than ours by a thosandfold or even more.



Remember, it is not just a matter of belief on my part, for I know they exist based on what I have seen and know.



That has been clearly evident by the number of reports from around the world of flying saucers overflying cities and other areas, and many of those from military sources. In fact, there are over 100,000 reports on record.



Are you aware that there are those who have stated that ET visitation are a reality, were those from the scientific community? In fact, were you even aware that that scientific community has been involved in UFO investigations and could not find any terrestrial explanations for up to 1/3 of its cases???

In other words, many of the UFO reports could not be explained by those scientific investigators because there were no natural phenomena explanations for those case files and that the scientific investigators could not find any conventional aircraft that fitted the descriptions of those objects that could tie in their performance characteristics to those flying objects.

The scientific community was also involved in UFOs back in 1968 and met before congress. It was at that session that Dr. Carl Sagan revealed that the Air Force had been tracking UFOs with its surveillance assets and he sought to obtain the data on those flying objects from the Air Force. The UFOs were found to be operating at altitudes not assessible to conventional aircraft and that is why Dr. Sagan wanted the Air Force surveillance data on those objects.

I am sure that the Air Force wasn't going to just give the data to Dr. Sagan because of who he was, much less to anyone else.

But, records show that the CIA was in fact, very interested in UFOs back in the 1950's.

No, because we don't dissect frogs in ponds, or dissect human bodies in houses or office buildings. Those experiments are done in labs.

Not accessible by foot does not necessarily mean inaccessible by any means except by air.

I'm presuming you're talking about this session?
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1987.htm

(Bolding mine)
So Sagan, while most certainly believing in the possibility of life elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, did not believe we'd been visited. Yet you have your "out", don't you, in saying the AF wasn't going to let Sagan in on it, because they wanted to keep the secrets to themselves.

Not that you've answered most of my questions to you, but I'd like to ask another: how does ET show themselves to the government, but not to a highly respected astronomer such as Dr. Sagan?

no, youre right. we disect them in class, then toss them out when were done.
i fail to see the point in your post

.....because astronomers dont control the world. despite how "respected" you claim they are.

Stand on the mexican U.S border. There is your evidence!!!

Still no response, is it because you have no answer or do you ignore it in an attempt to shove the question into the corner???


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The point of my post is that the "aliens" are apparently leaving, or at least disposing of, the mutilated cattle in the place where the dissections are done, or at least where the cattle were originally found. I find that puzzling, because even if we dispose of dissected frogs, we don't dump them in the ponds where we originally got them. So there's a dichotomy there that I don't understand.


I didn't claim the astronomers control the world, the point was that astronomers, by the very fact they scan the skies on a regular basis, could/should/would be able to tell intelligently controlled craft from something that is not.

Who does control the world, in your view?

Cows are bigger than frogs, they could choose simply cut some parts to take aboard and make an hamburger, probably all the ads from mc donalds let aliens curious about the taste

By other means you imagine what? Transportation?

Here is your evidence, an alien humanoid captured in video.

let me get this right? Big-Macs aleins, Carl Segan, the Airforce,abductions ect,ect whats the thread about again? Ohhh!!! Its Did the Aleins make the seceret sauce for the Big-Mac. And where are the billions and billions of them all gone too? DONTEATUS

^ are you drinking?

never said, thats what You said. i just brought up the fact that a civilization would probably find the Head of the herd, or leader of the pact basically. not a 'regular' human, i guess you could say. well, it makes sense to me anyways. and besides, people Have seen things in the sky, and said those look like intelligently controlled craft. not many believe them though

Are you claiming I said astronomers control the world? If that's not what you're saying, can you clarify what you do mean?

If a civilization would find the head of the herd, as you put it, why do they seemingly abduct common people in the middle of nowhere? Or cattle? Why have government leaders never been abducted?

What the hell are you on about Anarkhy? I said what type of mentality are aliens!!! Corr, some people just dont attempt to understand what is posted!!! Firstly I said what mentality, in the context evil, cruel etc. Also it was for Agent Mulder Hazzard and Skyeagle. I have no problem with you answering as long as you have an answer that is in context


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They probably do it, beacause they have no idea either who is in high standing in our society or what being high standing actually means in general.

They probably pick at random, and try to fathom as much info as they can from the person.

In Lamens terms, maybe they dont have any clue wether they have importance or not, or either they are too advanced or too barbaric to understand our society and how we have classes etc.

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Here's an interesting read.

Want To See UFOs? Just Follow the Jets!

So folks just get out from behind the TVs and computers and stop arguing about wither extraterrestrials exist or not and go outside and can see for yourself that they do. If nothing is going on up above your house and in your area just go to where there is a major military base at night and follow the jets out to where the action is.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/55812

I think that IF a government leader has ever been abducted.....they would keep quiet about it....
because their career would be over....if they dared speak of these things.....ridicule is a powerful
weapon.

no, you said "how does ET show themselves to the government, but not to a highly respected astronomer such as Dr. Sagan?"
i said, probably because they dont care about him. they want to be taken to the 'leader' so to speak. the people who kinda run the place. not someone looking at the sky

IF it could be kept under wraps to begin with. I'm just doubting it could....leaks happen all the time.


Yet average people see them all the time, and astronomers don't. IF they are here, it stands to reason that people looking at the sky would most likely see them more often than most people. After all, Sky Eagle's pilots and radar operators see them all the time, why not astronomers?

I'm sensing quite a few contradictions in the various arguments here.

As I said before, I hypothesise that it is completely at random, and that if they did come acroos someone of government standing, then they would fathom more info. than from the average abduction . Its like heads and tails, You dont no what your gonna get!!

Thanks GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

P.S Do you see the link between forest gump? Lifes like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get : Its like heads and tails, You dont no what your gonna get!!

lol

Have you found any evidence, real evidence, for that?



Yes we do. But that is just the point here. Why would aliens, thousands, or even millions of years ahead of us, do that???

One sample for these hightec aliens should be it, right?



The cerealogists are wrong. Even scientifically minded people have been brought into this fray. They have wisely avoided the thesis that aliens have been carving out messages in crop fields. But they did stretched their imaginations to come up with theories of vortexes, ball lightning, plasma, and other less occult explanations, not to mention the hoaxes.

And about the abduction cases, like I said before...When Nova put out an offer to abductees to have scientists analyze and evaluate any alleged implants, they did not get a single person willing to have their so-called implants tested or verified.

I wonder why!!?

Dont you?

There's the difference!

He tore them apart! Good deal...that says alot.

Hate to breake up the party guys....the topic!!!?

Anyone???

I agree, even though i worship video games and the technology, I must agree with hazzard, that if you want to talk about your son, or video games, choose the chatrooms or another forum.


I dont want to be the party pooper but it isnt based around the topic of Aliens, so please focus on the topic?

Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Hazzard, what are your views on alien mentality? Do you think that they are evil and want to kill us all or do you believe that they are friendly? Also, do you think that all reported abductions are or anrent true?

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Somehow, I can't wait for the answer to this.....