I think Hazzard already answered part of your question:



I think that is pretty clear. And I can only concur. Other than that, I don't really think we can say anything about their mentality as they are, by definition, alien. We have no frame of reference whatsoever for their behavior. Also, how do we define evil in this respect? In my opinion that is in the eye of the beholder - what would seem pure evil to us could be something completely different to them and vice versa.

But as we have no evidence of ET visitation whatsoever, the discussion on their behavior and psychology is rather academic

Cheers,
Badeskov

Okay, to stay on topic judging by the thread title, the best evidence for aliens on Earth seems to be.....pretty thin and definitely inconclusive, seeing as the "proof" some offer can be interpreted multiple ways.

I would most certainly agree, even to the extent where I would call said evidence non-existent...

For me, even just a piece of (space ship) metal that can be sent for independent analysis would suffice, assuming that ET would use something else than titanium or something otherwise commonly in use here on Earth (wouldn't that be a bummer of epic proportions?)..

The problem is, so far we have nothing that can be proven as of ET origin, not even a toothpick (whatever that would look like coming from ET). But now we are at it, if Hazzard will allow, I am very curious as to know how people would think such evidence should be treated, i.e. who should examine it?

Cheers,
Badeskov

Ok, then... Is well know today due to millions of victims of abductions, witnesses, ex gov agents and specially to youtube that earth is being visited by at least 4 different races (or breed) of aliens. And if you are concerned by their intentions, aliens are evil and want to conquer the world.

The first most abundant species are the lousy grays and their heinous abductions.

The second common species are the reptilians, they fight karate, live in the planet nibiru and will come to earth in 2012 to vindicate the monolith and enslave all humans.

The nordics are the worst of them, all they want is to have insatiable horny sex with humans. Damn you nordics we are not sexual machines, we have feelings...

But you really need to take care of the shapeshifters, specially this one, he has a strange predilection to abduct young boys.




PS. Click on the underlined words to open the pictures. Now i'll go take a shower, get drunk and try to find one of these nordics to get laid...

If it wasn't clear that anarkhy has been yanking people's chains...one should assume that after reading this, one now understands...

lol all hail anarkhy he has the queen bee in his hands all neel down and pray we dont get another bush in the white house lolDONTEATUS

Even though I posted the question, Im going to agree with you. Without much evidence, I dont think that we can say whether they are evil or not. Their mentality aswell is a rather touchy subject really, because I think that films have tainted our imagination slightly, but then again, without the films I think that we wouldnt know what we know now.

Oh and by the way, when you say alien what do you mean by that, that we have no info on them so we wouldnt know alot about them, or that they are alien by definition which is that they are different to us and how we are? Im confused on your view on that.


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Actually, I would mean both. That they are alien means that not only don't we know anything whatsoever about them (as in my book we haven't met them yet) and as they will be from a different planet, their whole mentality will most likely be significantly different from ours.

Then again, in end end, we simply don't know - maybe they are the spitting image of us, physically and mentally, although I would doubt that very, very much.

Cheers,
Badeskov

I don't have it, but I find it intriquing that the USA is not the only country affected.

Why wouldn't they?! We do it in schools and labs, and have examined in detail, cavemen who have thousands of years centuries ago, and even dinosaurs of milions of years ago. If we went to another planet, I am sure we would also examine lifeforms in much the same way.



I don't know either, but physical trace evidence have been taken from known UFO landing sites that involved the military and local law enforcement officials and your timing was just right. I can remember an old 1950's movie; "Invaders From Mars," where implants were used on humans by the aliens.

And it doesn't strike you as odd that life is imitating art?

If aliens were so smart, how come they dont figure out how to go under radar, or try not to be seen, or know who they are abducting, this is what baffles me and leads me to believe that in some cases there are conspiracy theories or lies, or fake evidence etc.

Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

do i? no, not really. you just werent looking hard enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncf-ii23zgg

they had that tested, and couldnt match it to any of their 65000 know substances they have on their computer data base, that they know are from earth.
spooooooooooooooooky

how do you know they dont? how can you tell if ones actually hovering outside your window, undected. literally Invisible? you dont
its hard for us to assume alien mentally or intelligence i guess. something that we dont know a great deal about.

Why would it? Now if you or I had mentioned something from fiction to 'debunk' fact (or support our own argument) it would most certainly been a case of Carpe carpum...

Hi Mulder, I think you missed my reply to this one (post 885):

I think the people in that video clip honestly need to do some research. Or get a new database. 65,000 known substances?! They apparently didn't want to find whatever they were looking for. Here is a list of the toxic effects of 150,000 chemical substances known and in use, which by no means is a complete list.

There are many times more than those 150,000 (and obviously the 65,000) chemical substances known. Also, many additional substances can be created, but they have no interest as they can't really be used for anything. That video really just mooted itself by limiting itself. And why not perform a simple spectroscopic analysis of the specimen in question? Then they could tell us exactly what it is made of. No, in my honest opinion this video is a poor attempt of sensational "reporting" with the preset goal of finding something unknown.

Cheers,
Badeskov

then i shoulda put up the videos where implants are sent to labs, and the scientists/geologists (or w/e you wanna call them) come to the conclusion what theyre looking at are very rare meteors. they didnt know it came out of a person

That would probably be interesting to watch.

Cheers,
Badeskov

ill see if i can find it. it was on youtube with the others, like the one i posted before. unsure of its name though

No worries, I doubt I will have time to look it over tonight anyways

Cheers,
Badeskov

Don't tell that to the Air Force! They were telling its own cadets otherwise, and even detailed UFO encounters of its own aircraft while providing details of the former Soviet Union's attempt to shoot down UFOs, which clearly, were not aircraft.

So what we have here is; the Air Force is telling its people one thing about UFO reality, and handing out a completely different story to the public.

Yes, back in the 50s. Not so much these days and not so much because of the ETH.

Hi there SEARGENT.

I do believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life out there, predators and other, somewere, even in our own galaxy. I just dont agree with the believers who claim that there is real evidence that we are being visited.

If aliens have been visiting the Earth for 50 years, you would think that it would not be so hard to convince a lot of people that that was true. Its convinced about 50 percent of the American public, so what, its convinced very few academics. The bottom line is that the evidence for extraterrestrial visitors has not convinced many scientists.

As an astronomer friend said to me, if I thought there was a only one percent chance that any of it was true, Id spend 100% of my time on it. In other words, if the evidence were the least bit compelling as the believers think, youd have lots of academics working on it because its very interesting.

To me that says that the evidence is weak from the scientists perspective. Unless you can ABSOLUTELY ELIMINATE all other explanations, then to simply say, it must be an alien aircraft, is extremely biased and most certainly NOT the way an actual scientific investigation is conducted.

Hi Badeskov..
There you go..
On August 19, 1995, Dr. Roger Leir, a podiatrist, under controlled conditions, removed objects from two separate subjects. Those objects were reported to be of unknown origin.
Though limited to external examination and found to be inconclusive, a very extensive laser-induced breakdown spectroscopy (LIBS) test was conducted for the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) at a National Laboratory. To improve the information base on these objects, the NIDS also decided to provide the resources to have more extensive metallurgical testing conducted at New Mexico Tech. Chain of custody was an important issue. In this case, Dr. Leir had done an excellent job of documenting the extraction of the foreign bodies. Similarly, care was exercised in every stage of transfer of the test materials from delivery, through testing, and return of the samples.

One purpose for NIDS involvement was to establish some appropriate standards for initial testing of materials samples. A number of experts were consulted to determine what non-destructive tests were appropriate at this stage of investigation. The battery of tests for structural, chemical, mechanical, and electromagnetic analysis recommended and conducted include:

* Density immersion technique in toluene;

* Mechanical properties analysis including hardness and elastic modulus;

* X-ray Energy-Dispersive Spectroscopy;

* Scanning electron microscopy;

* X-ray diffraction pattern analysis;

* Electrical/magnetic properties analysis.

Sample T1,2 can be described as needle or lamellar in shape, with a predominantly iron core and a non-conducting, dark gray-black coating. This coating or surface layer material has Fe, Ca, P, Cl and very possibly some lighter elements (i.e. C, O) as its constituents. The phase analysis via x-ray diffraction was not absolutely conclusive due to the extremely small sample size, however the best fit to the obtained pattern suggests Anapaite, Ca_2Fe(PO_4_)2H_2O, Goethite, FeO(OH), iron phosphide, FeP_4, and phosphorus oxide, P_2O_5, as likely phases. The microstructure of the core (polished and etched) as observed under an optical microscope resembles an iron rich alloy with large amounts of carbon, probably in the form of iron carbide. The iron is likely to be alpha-Fe with a body-centered-cubic packing (bcc structure) since the samples are magnetized. The hardness of this core material is very high, in the neighborhood of high carbon tool steels.

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On the contrary, many of the more dramatic UFO events in UFO history took place decades after the the Robertson Report was released in the 1950's, and the UFO reports continue to flow in. Check it out!

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/ndxevent.html

For those who thought that flying triangles were only recently reported with the introduction of stealth aircraft, think again!

http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/024/S24935.html

And, triangular UFOs were also reported during the 1800's.


The Robertson Report suggested that the government denbunk any reports, but the reports continued to flow in regardless. Now, there are over 100,000 reports, and many of those were made after the 1950's.



And then, there was JANAP-146 to hush up the aircrews, and the rest is history.

Things are slowly changing in the scientific community in regards to UFO reality.





The evidence can't be that weak since the scientific investigation conducted by the Colorado Study team couldn't explain up to 1/3 of its case files in terrestrial terms.

What I find so funny about the evidence your bringing forward skyeagle, is that it is absolutely incontrovertibaly biased towards the aliens exist crowd.

Im sorry, but i think if you want to make any advances in this topic skyeagle, then you really need to learn to give and take. Unfortunately skyeagle, i think its going to be pretty hard for you to do that. All , or most of the people (apart from you obviously) who come onto this board, give evidence that gives an unbiased view on the thread. Once again, you don't do this.

Next time you post something skyeagle, and I know many members who comment on this board will agree with me, at least attempt to give an unbiased view on thesubject.


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHRTMAN

Hi Rapid,

Thanks a lot, that was an interesting read!!! While they make no conclusions, it at least tells us that if the composition isn't a common one, then it isn't extra-ordinarily uncommon as that would most likely have been noted in the analysis log

But this is the kind of analysis that is actually helpful and can tell us something.

Cheers,
Badeskov

dude, are u seriously gonna wait until nasa confirms it???LOL gimme a break! u do realize that they are hiding so much stuff from us that its not even funny! like NIBIRU. youtube it. but seriously, if u see a ufo, u know they exist. are u telling me that even if u saw one, u wouldnt believe it cause nasa will say it was fake? dont wait for media to tell u something. because either they will lie, or they wont tell u ata all. believe what u believe and dont let anyone ele tell u otherwise. dont be afraid to believe in ridicoulos things, because in the end, they will be the ones looking ridiculous.

There are very good reasons why!

Now, there are military and government officials stating that UFOs are those of ET. There are currently a small number of countries around the globe that have revealed their own UFO case files to the public and I am expecting the number to grow in the coming years.



Not really, but I have had my own UFO experience back in 1968 in Vietnam and missed another opportunity by a few months in the Central Highlands of Vietnam in 1969 where I was on tempoary duty (TDY) from Hill AFB, which incidently, was involved in the investigations of the Minuteman missile shutdowns since Hill AFB had the depot-level maintenance responsibility for Minuteman missiles in the field. I use to watch them bring in the missiles and plant them down in a holding silo next to my hangar.



In that past, I have stated on many occasions that I am skeptical of UFO reports until I have examined the details. I have also disgreed with UFOlogist and in fact, I was stating that a Mogul balloon flight #4 in regards to the Roswell incident, never flew and that there were no such flight and I was asserting that when other UFOlogist was still believing that such a flight occurred, but disagreed with skeptics as to where it came down. Eventually, they saw the light.

I have even disagreed with Stanton Friedman over the MJ-12 documents and even blasted Billy Meier and his faked UFO photos, which were fairly obvious and to me, he did a poor job as well.

government has such evidence (it's being covered up), but the truth still poor
alien.... where are u.....

Hi Hazzard, Well i believe carl sagan was right, There is not a alien race visiting from 20 light yrs. away or more!! They have been here all through out our history ( period). The answer has been in front of us all along! They are so advanced in physics we cant even understand what weve seen, and there is no proving what we cant understand!! WE HAVENT BE ABLE TOO DETECT GRAVITY WAVES SO THEREFORE THERE IS NO GRAVITY RIGHT? We no this energy exist and we no nonhuman entitys exist, so ive used the process of elemination to find a solution ! ITS SO MENTALLY DISTURBING, IM UNDERSTANDING WHY THE GOVT. WILL NOT EVEN EVER DISCLOSE THE AWFUL TRUTH! THE ABDUCTION OF CITZENS BY ENTITYS IS UNFORGIVABLE I THINK, THERE BREEDING PROGRAM GOES ON UNABATED AND THE GOVT. CANT ENTERVENE OR EVEN AKNOWLEDGE THE VICTIMS TOO HELP THEM! THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS ARE HUGE! wish i could help but the truth could be devastating for them too deal with! THERE ARE TWO PRINCIPALITYS OF THESE BEINGS AND ONE SIDE IS HERE TOO HELP US, LIKE THEY ALLWAYS HAVE!!!!!! FOR US IN THE END AWAITS THE CULMINATION OF EVENTS AND THE CHOICE EACH OF US MAKE!!!!! IN MY DEARST HOPE EVERYONE BELIVE OUR LIFE ENERGY CANNOT BE DESTROYED !!! BUT IF YOU BELIVE OTHERWISE YOU WILL CERTAINLY MAKE THE EASY CHOICE NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE AT ALL!!!!! I THINK EVERYONE HAS A LOVED ONE THEY WOULD DIE FOR TOO SAVE THERE LIFE, WOULD YOU DIE TOO SAVE YOUR OWN EVERYLASTING SOUL!!!! I DONT NO HOW MUCH I CAN ENDURE BUT I PRAY I CAN HOLD UP AND NOT JOIN THE WRONG SIDE! HAZZARD hit on the question of proof, but the real question is what do you believe in your heart is true, not your logical brain, THE MOST OBVIOUS ANSWER USUALLY IS THE CORRECT ONE! I DONT KNOW IF THERE BREEDING HAS PRODUCED THE ONE THEY NEED YET, BUT HE WILL LOOK LIKE US, BUT IN HORRIBLE TIMES HE WILL COME AND DO GREAT THINGS , BUT HE WONT FOOL THE ENFORMED BUT WILL GATHER QUITE ALOT OF FOLLOWERS! Its just like that, they lose if they kill me, i win!! JESUS new what he had too do! never give in NEVER!!!!!!

Hi there jimz.

I absolutely believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe and that some of that life is intelligent.

There is a high mathematical probability that among the trillions of stars in the billions of galaxies there are millions of planets in age and proximity to a star analogous to our Sun. The chances seem very good that on some of those planets life has evolved.

Despite the fact of the improbability of interplanetary travel, it is not impossible. Perhaps there are beings who can travel at very fast speeds and have the technology and the raw materials to build vessels that can travel at near the speed of light or greater. Have such beings come here to abduct people, rape and experiment on them?

I seriously doubt it.

There have been many reports of abduction and sexual violation by creatures who are small and bald or are white, gray, or green, have big craniums, small chins, large slanted eyes, and pointed or no ears. How does one explain the number of such claims and their similarity?

The most reasonable explanation for the accounts being so similar is, part from Sleep paralysis, night terror and lucid dreaming, they are based on the same movies, the same stories, the same television programs, and the same comic strips.

Before the 50s and 60s people were talking angels and demons, goblins and ghosts, not grays. There is something else going on here. Inside peoples heads.

I think that those who claim to have been abducted by aliens may be neither crazy nor telling the truth. It might be better to think of them as sharing a cultural delusion.

Let me be very clear here... Nancy Lieder, Mark Hazlewood and the rest of these Niburu/Planet X people are completely wrong. No rogue giant planet is about to destroy the Earth, in 2012 or otherwise.

There is no astronomical indication of the existence of another large planet in the inner solar system.
In my opinion, this is the biggest problem with the Planet X myth. Simply put, where is it? We dont see it optically, and we dont see any effects gravitationally.



Of course there are UFOs. I have seen many things in the sky that I cant explain... Unidentified Flying Objects, UFOs. But that doesnt mean its an alien spaceship.

Just for the record & correct me if i'm wrong here;
Although i recall reading somewhere once that he may have known more than he was letting on(?)...I don't think Sagan in his entire life ever said or stated 'that we (earth) were visited by beings from other worlds throughout our history'(?)


Also, as much as i don't trust governments (just in the public eye to give us the illusion we actually have freedom of choice) how can we the public expect government/s to disclose 'any truth' when in fact we really don't know whether they actually exist or not?

You are right REBEL. Sagan never said that we are or have ever been visited.

On the question about the believers claim he said...

Hi,
It's a step in the right the direction. I haven't made up my mind about Dr Lier.. I think he's sincere.. but.. you're right, there is an 'over-sensationalist' aspect to his work. I'm not sure this can be avoided especially a subject so controversial such as Alien Abductions- but it appears he's making the right steps while at the same time, capitalizing upon a market. But we live in a capitalist society and research costs money (alot.) So I reserving my judgment or to put it another way- he hasn't made it on the ufo hall of shame yet

Although I'm not sure that'll be the case after his feature film is made...lol

Anyway back on the sample testing. I'm not sure whether an Isotopic test was included?
Isotope ratio mass spectrometry?
I don't think it has and if it hasn't I'd be interested it the reason why this test wasn't carried out.

According to Dr Roger Leir "But there has been such a public clammer for information that we gave New Mexico Tech. permission to release something ... and that's all that's been released!"

So at the moment, all we have is The NIDS report and this opinion letter-


New Mexico Tech

Letter of Opinion (Samples T1,2 and T3)

The first theory on the origin of these samples was initiated due to the relatively high hardness value obtained for the iron core of sample T1,2.
It is well known that very hard iron alloys can be found naturally in meteorite samples.
In fact, several characteristics of the specimens are similar to certain meteorite-type materials.

Meteorites can be a complex combination of many different elements (see for example, McSween, 1987).
This is the case particularly for sample T3, which contains at the very least 11 elements: Na, Al, Si, P, Cl, Ca, Fe, Ni, Cu, Mo & Sn.
Typical of iron and stony-iron meteorites is the classic "Widmanstatten structure", consisting of lamelae (plate or needle-shaped crystals) of kamacite (alpha-iron) and/or taenite (gamma-iron), formed during the slow cooling of meteoroids [McSween, 1987; Budka et al., 1996].

Interspersed with the metal grains are other minerals rich in iron and/or nickel such as troilite, FeS, and schreibersite, (Fe,Ni)_3P.
Based on my examination, the samples in question could possibly fit into this framework.
Elemental analysis done by X-ray Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy (EDS) indicated iron and phosphorus as major constituents of the cladding material surrounding the iron core.
The (EDS) patterns resemble those recently reported for iron dendrites found in pockets and veins of the Yanshuang H6 meteorite [Brooks, et. al., 1995]. In addition, I identified a calcium phosphate mineral as a possible phase within the cladding of both samples.
Interestingly, chlorapatite, Ca_5(PO_4)_3Cl is among the more common meteorite minerals [Wasson, 1974]. This would account for the presence of a substantial amount of calcium and smaller amount of chlorine detected. A problem with this theory, however, is that no nickel was detected in T1,2 and only a minute amount in T3. It has been stated that "most meteorites contain between 6 and 10 percent nickel"...and "no iron meteorites contain less than five percent nickel" [McSween, 1987]. This may not be a problem after all, since the specimens could be just a small fragment of a larger meteorite body.

An altogether different hypothesis can be formulated based on the fact that these specimens were extracted from an human body. An iron sliver, embedded in human tissue could possibly cause a calcification reaction. This would explain the presence of calcium and phosphorous on the surface of the samples. Chlorapatite and other calcium phosphate minerals are the major component of hard tissue (bones, teeth) along with collagen.
In fact, calcium phosphate-based ceramics have been used in medicine and dentistry for nearly 20 years due to their bioactive nature [Hench, 1993]. In light of this, even if the cladding was not formed inside the body, but rather entered the tissue in its entirety as a sliver from a stone, it is not surprising that the body had no adverse reaction to the foreign object.

It must be stressed, these are only theories as to the origin of the specimens in question based on preliminary data and information. More in-depth studies would be required to prove either one.

link

Interesting site, that Richard Boylan character isn't too popular umoung researchers...

Ufology in general always got a bad wrap, good to see a site dedicated to weed'n out the bottom of the barrel charlatans.

lol! Had to repost for this one.

Off the link/site Rapid put up...
Just one that made me laugh...

BRIGITTE BOISSELIER


CEO of Raelian UFO cult's alleged cloning company Clonaid and a Bishop in the Raelian UFO cult movement. Calimed to have successfully cloned humans, has yet to provide scientific proof of her claims. While the Clonaid website may feature pictures of flashly lab equipment, reporters allegedly found the real lab Boisselier was carrying out her work in. It was reportedly located in the tiny town of Nitro, West Virginia at an abandoned high school classroom being rented for $350.00 a month. Boisselier now lives in Las Vegas. See cult page about Raelian philosophy. And if you'd like to be cloned or want a deceased relative or friend cloned, Clonaid says they can do it...for a hefty price, of course.


Can't believe Wendell Stevens made the list, but then it's a crazy business ain't it...lol!

Cloning is an absolute myth in my opinion, apart from the 'dolly the sheep experiment', there hasnt been any recording of cloning going on around the world, apart from this incident which provided no evidence.

Unless some criminal mastermind is trying to take over the world, I dont think cloning is happening. I think that research has been put forward for it, but in some way the dolly the sheep cloning experiment that went horribly wrong, has put scientist off the scent of attempting it.

For starters, they chose a sheep which in itself is stupid, secondly they chose an old sheep (idiots) which because the sheep was cloned meant that on the outside dolly #2 or the cloned version was young, but on the inside, it was old. They didnt take that into account at all which led to all sorts of problems, and finally, it is against the norm of nature, which is denying life itself. Unfortunately nature got back at us and killed dolly #2 and the dolly #1 (uncloned version) at about the same time.


Well, children, to end the show dont try cloning at home lol, because if you do: natures gonna get ya!!!

Thanks GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

I know this is off topic but it does appear some cloning has continued.

http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Huma...i/cloning.shtml

Your right, like the dog called snuppy, though the cloned dog Snuppy was unfortunately associated with the Korean stem cell scandal involving Hwang Woo-Suk. What i meant was (and i know i didnt say this well) that there have been no human cloning, or catashtrophe$ like dollys case.


Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

@hazzard

Why the gov hides the information pertaining to ufos when they can be associated to et? Why Pilots, military or commercial, and radar operators are not allowed to talk about those ufos?

I mean if they are just an abnormal phenomena in our atmosphere why these reports are not made public and sent to physics and academics for investigation?

Based on this, and your previous posts, Im quite sure that your trolling.

Untill you get serious, this will be my last post to you.

Sorry hazzard, even though anarkhy annoys me sometimes, i see no eveidence for trolling here, if your that unhappy, tell the mods and they will sort it out?

Thanks, GUNNARYSEARGENTHARTMAN

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't trust him and his school for 'star children.' lol



Is true, I don't have a problem with good debunking- weed out the hoaxers.
Although I'm cautious.. sometimes; having seen probability-based debunking imo used incorrectly.
There are some situations, where it's logical that the claimant wouldn't be able to bring back hard solid evidence-
Despite it being his/hers responsibility.
Funny to note a few skeptics and debunkers made it into the hall of shame as well.

People don't have sense of humor here? In a forum discussing if aliens are visiting earth?

I cant be 100% sure of course, but I do hope he is yanking our chain. The alternative is frightening.

Carl Sagan sought to obtain from the Air Force, surveillance data on UFOs that he knew existed of crafts that were flying at altitudes far above the absolute ceiling of conventional aircraft.

QUOTE

A few years ago, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that the National Archives was releasing declassified government UFO files and what raised eyebrows at the National Archives?! A letter from Dr. Carl Sagan in regards to UFOs.



We know ET is here and has been for thousands of years. The government will reveal those facts to the public in due time.

I hope your right, sky. But if they never do...is that because you were wrong, or that they are still hiding the information?

Can you imagine if they called a press conference and showed us the ship you believe crashed in NM back in -47...(!)