So basically this artist, Manuel Morales, created billboards in support of the NY Giants before their appearances in Super Bowls XXI and XXV, both of which they won. However, when he offered to create a third billboard should the Giants return to the Super Bowl, they said no thanks.

In 2000 Morales creates this TemptDestiny.com online competition where fans can vote to have a billboard made for any team (only catch is the team must make it to the Super Bowl in order for the billboard to be made). NY Giants fans lost the 2000 season vote, and the team lost the Super Bowl.

Well, this year the NY Giants fans happened to win the vote and the billboard went up this past week. If the past 2-for-2 winning Super Bowl track record means anything, no one should have been surprise that the "Perfect Team" lost to the "Perfect Record" because after all - it was DESTINY!

So now what we have here is a proven system that when it combines the fans, their team, and a billboard - the result is a Super Bowl victory! A 3-for-3 record over a 21 year period. What are the odds?

Not really proven is now.
It is a one off game with a 50/50 chance of winning. It has bugger all to do with destiny or billboards.

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Rather like jakeman. (Ok, jakeman's not really, but should be.)

OK, so how do you explain the eight years that the Tempt Destiny program has been running with no billboard being made? Every year a team has won the competition and every year that team did not win the conference champinship game - until now! So when that match finally happened the billboard was created and then that team won! 50/50 chance after the billboard was created, yes. But how do you account for when it happens?

Really, what are the odds of that? How can you predict the when and that it would result in a 3-for-3 perfect record? Something like a 1,000,000 to 1 odds?

Coincidence. It is perfectly plausible and is just as likely as there being a 50% success rate.

Coincidence - maybe or as their press release states "Call it what you will - luck, superstition, happenstance, or coincidence - Manuel Morales prefers to call it destiny."

This "Coincidence" is not much of one because it was "planned" and set up in a way to arrange two seprate entities (fans & their team) to trigger another billboard. Then there's the matter of having a perfect winning record. I am still scratching my head on all of this!

Told you it is no less likely than everyone being wrong. Nothing proven. It certain is not scientifically admissable. Nothing.

So when does this become proven? After say 200 billboards and 200 Super Bowl victories? And who decides what parameters establishes such scientific proof?

Let's put it this way. Can you or anyone else prove otherwise? If you can, please enlighten me.

Let me put it this way. If I predicted 3 results in a row would you consider me psychic? No. Didn't think so.

WOW, you have not a clue about what I am talking about! Obviously you have not even gone to the web site and read for yourself what has taken place. "prediction"? There were no predictions made! If you're going to provide comments, at least take the time to know what you are talking about!

February 4, 2008 - Congratulations to the NY Giants who have won Super Bowl XLII! Their 3rd Super Bowl victory extends the Tempt Destiny winning billboard record to 3-for-3! EACH TIME Olympic artist, Manuel Morales, creates a billboard in support of the NY Giants they go on to win the Super Bowl!

so, in the last 18 years he created 3 billboards and each time they won.
just 3? doesn't sound much like destiny to me.
maybe if he continues to do it and they carry on winning each time he makes a billboard for them, maybe then it will start to become something more than luck/coninsidence or whatever.
like mattshark said, predicting that a team will win the superbowl 3 times (in an 18 year period) neither makes someone a physchic or someone who can "tempt" destiny. In fact 3 times in an 18 year period doesn't sound too impressive to me.
i could probably do that

What exactlt has this got to do with Cryptozoology, Myths and Legends.

because (apparently) the Tempt Destiny Legend has been confirmed.

so to answer your question: absolutly nothing.

Absolutely Nothing? Let's see, if you were to look up what the word "Legend" meant you would find that the "good luck" billboard legacy combined with the "Perfect Team" losing to the "Perfect Record" (as they're calling it), is growing into a legendary story. Just search the keywords "giants billboard" or "tempt destiny" and you'll see what I mean.

leg·end (ljnd)
n.
1.
a. An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.
b. A body or collection of such stories.
c. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.
2. One that inspires legends or achieves legendary fame.
3.
a. An inscription or a title on an object, such as a coin.
b. An explanatory caption accompanying an illustration.
c. An explanatory table or list of the symbols appearing on a map or chart.

[Middle English, from Old French legende, from Medieval Latin (lcti) legenda, (lesson) to be read, from Latin, feminine gerundive of legere, to read; see leg- in Indo-European roots.]
Usage Note: Legend comes from the Latin adjective legenda, "for reading, to be read," which referred only to written stories, not to traditional stories transmitted orally from generation to generation. This restriction also applied to the English word legend when it was first used in the late 14th century in reference to written accounts of saints' lives, but ever since the 15th century legend has been used to refer to traditional stories as well. Today a legend can also be a person or achievement worthy of inspiring such a storyanyone or anything whose fame promises to be enduring, even if the renown is created more by the media than by oral tradition. Thus we speak of the legendary accomplishments of a major-league baseball star or the legendary voice of a famous opera singer. This usage is common journalistic hyperbole, and 55 percent of the Usage Panel accepts it.

Still means nothing an it has confirmed nothing. The odds on getting right are 2-1 each time, nothing special. Do it at the start of the season for 3 years in a row that'll be much more impressive. It is no more impressive than calling heads or tails right 3 times in a row.

1 : 7

Damn, I should bet a dollar, I'd be have 7 dollars now!!!!

I agree, if that were indeed the case. When this began in 2000, 31 NFL teams were being voted for and only one got the most votes. OK, so you then had a 1 in 31 odds (now its 1 in 32) of your team winning the votes that year. Then the team itself that won the billboard rights still needed to win their conference championship with a 1 in 6 chance at this point. Then after all that, you get the 50/50 chance that the "Tempt Destiny" team featured on the billboard would indeed win the Super Bowl as done twice before.

But here's what got me into this. In 2000, the NY Giants went back to the Super Bowl for a third time (Super Bowl 25). However, this time the NY Giants did not have the TEMPT DESTINY billboard backing them up due to their fans placing 6th in the voting competition that year. So you have a dedicated Giants fan (the artist) bailing out on his team all because of some strange competition that he came up with! Then, to add insult to injury his team loses for the first time in the Super Bowl! How's that for a dig.

So after all that AND seven more years of having the Tempt Destiny competition continue on without a billboard being created (factor in those odds), you finally got to see the pieces fall into place with the NY Giants fans AND their team win their online and on-the-field competitions in the same year. Now on top of of all of this, the billboard's 2-for-2 winning legacy is then stacked up against the "Perfect Team" who by ALL ODDS is supposed to win the Super Bowl.

If there EVER was a test to the existence of the concept that destiny does exist, this is it! When the 3rd Tempt Destiny billboard was created we saw more than one hell of a game. We also saw destiny take place.

3-for-3 a Perfect Record - it is what it is. Believe it or not.

Still I feel this isn't belong here in this sub forums...
It really has nothing to do with Cryptozoology, Myth (read that as Ancient Mythology), and Legend (read that as folklore and the creatures on it).

Wow, I really thought the people on this board would see what's going on here!? Apparently you only see the "topic" of what has taken place instead of the "what" has taken place.

Does anyone here know what the four signs of the apocalypse are?

Does it have anything to do with the Giants winning the superbowl?

But, I think you may be mixing metaphors....

Isn't there SEVEN signs of the apocalypse, and FOUR Riders?

Yeah, 4 riders and seven signs, not four signs!

And well, I don't follow NFL, we don't have it in our country (regardless that I know how to play American Football and Dolphins was my favorite team when I was small and perhaps until today), so I'd say, it was all coincidence, unless if you want to talk about some match predictions, I definitely can't catch up, so I won't say anything else on the topic.

a. i wouldn't class "earlier times" or "historical" as 21 years ago.
b. it's only one story.
c. seeing as no one on this forum had ever heard about it before i would say it was neither romanticized nor popularized.
2. it doesn't inspire legends and neither does it archive legendary fame.
a. not relevent
b. not relevent
c. not relevent

theres my interpretaion.

Oh, come on don't give us that crap. This forums for cryptids and we all know that, this thread belongs in one of the other forums.

Oh, my mistake? So the title of this forum section "Cryptozoology, Myths and Legends" is incorrect obviously. You should make sure the people running this forum gets it right according to YOUR "crap".

Its hardly legendary either. Do really think posters affect who will the superbowl? If you do, your deluded.

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I do not know what to "think". All I know is what has taken place over the 21 years since this all began...

Legend has it that when a billboard by artist Manuel Morales is create in support of the NY Giants, they go on to win the Super Bowl and when he does not, they lose the Super Bowl.

What you, me, and anyone else "thinks" of it is a matter of opinion. Obviously it is difficult for you and other members of this forum to understand what has taken place, but that does not change what has taken place. The facts speak for themselves.

BTW - I found the previous evaluation of the odds in this happening for a third time to be way under originally estimated. I have been contacting mathematicians to see what the true odds of this happening really are. I will share with everyone here what I have found out.

They are not high, you are just easily impressed.

Case in point - You have yet to dispel the facts. Do that, then you have something relevant to say.

You have not posted anything that belongs in this section. You've posted coincidence and claimed it to be legendary.

I have to say I agree with Mattshark, predicting a team will win a 50/50 game isn't exactly an amazing feat, even if he has done it three times. Now if he had successfully "tempted destiny" he would have predicted the Super Bowl winner every year, before the season started. (Although even that wouldn't really be tempting destiny)

Also what does the apocalypse have to do with anything? Or is destiny preparing the NY Giants for a Super Bowl against the 4 horse men of the apocalypse...

Thank you for your honest opinion and observation.

First, this "Tempt Destiny" thing has never been about prediction. You may want to review my previous responses to that issue and the odds involved in this thread.

Second, I "think" that this TD program has successfully tested the concept of destiny (not prediction) in that when elements (i.e. fans and their team match) are put into place the outcome is meant to be = destiny. Now can this happen a fourth time? It is now currently being tested once more at the TemptDestiny.com web site. It is also the last time the artist plans on doing this. You may want to check out the Tempt Destiny symbol which has three dots creating an incomplete circle and a question mark. When the fourth billboard happens, the circle will be complete - party over!

Which brings me to the mystery of all of this. It is my "opinion" (not scientific theory if there could ever be one) that there is more to this than meets the eye. Is the third billboard a sign of the third seal of the apocalypse? If so, watch what happens beginning this year. And should there be a fourth billboard it could be the sign of the fourth seal as well. If that's the case, then there really is no need for anymore billboards are there?

OK people, you may now begin your slam-feast... excuse me while I duck.

In the end, NFL is all about billboard. What a nice way to compete. NOT!

Yeah right, that's exactly what I said. Next you're going to tell me that there is no such thing as "luck" in football or any other sport for that matter and that every play is guaranteed to have predictable results. What I do know is that there's something mysterious about all this. Anyway, check out the YouTube video they just posted, it it what it is:

News 12 Giants Billboard Story

What exactly is mysterious about it? Are you that easily impressed? There are longer odds on getting a straight in poker than this billboard nonsense.

Yeah i have to agree with Mattshark, i have absolutely no idea where ur going with this ...

Giants winning Superbowl = Apocolypse ... i dunno how that even makes sense

Supernatural predictions by billboard artists ... sounds....not real?

And don't claim that i have no idea about whats going on here, as you have done for everyone elses posts, i do know whats going on and thats nothing, you just seem incredibly inclined to push ur made up legend, that has no basis for confirmation except for 3 predictions...with a 50 50 chance

Please take your "legendary tempt destiny" threads some place where somebody might give a rat's patoot. It's certainly not here.

Let's face it, you're in denial and have not a clue of what you're talking about or ever will. You do not even know what the odds truely are. All you know is how to be a cynic.

This coming from the ape man or from you or is there a difference?

What exactly is he in denial about? u don't have any facts, ur just making stuff up? If i make sh** up and then crap on about how its real, only to get upset when people call me a moron i'd be just as much of a bull artist as you are. So how about since no one really agrees with u... u stop pushing ur faulty and flimsy argument ?

It obvious that most will not grasp what has taken place or might also be going on no matter how much I explain it. Case in point, you comments...

How noble of you.

LMAO You got me on that one!

Actually we have got the idea. We are decidedly unimpressed and we do know what the odds are, there 7 to 1.

As Mattshark said, we get it, we're just not impressed...at all

... and I should expect that you would be impressed when you discard what has taken place as if you know better? That's OK by me. You are entitled to your own opinion and so am I.

To Recap - When the NY Giants won Super Bowl XLII it was their 3rd Super Bowl victory AND it was also the third time that Olympic artist, Manuel Morales, created a NY Giants billboard in support of their Super Bowl bid resulting in a 3-for-3 winning track record. NO BIG DEAL just mere coincidence, 50/50 odds RIGHT? Well lets look at what we have here...

1. 1/32 odds that one team will win the annual billboard competition at TemptDestiny.com.

2. 1/6 odds that a playoff team will win their conference championship game (12 playoff teams 2 conferences).

3. BUT what are the odds of both the winning team of #1 matching that of the winning team of #2 on the same day? (That's what took place on 1-20-08)

4. Add those odds to the odds of a third Tempt Destiny billboard preceding yet another Super Bowl victory resulting in a perfect 3-for-3 winning track record (Super Bowl XLII). What are those odds?

ODDS OF A 3-FOR-3 RECORD:
In order to get the odds for two events that you know the odds of, you just multiply them.

The odds for the 2007 season would be 1/32 multiplied by 1/6 which = 1/192
Then there is a 1/2 chance of winning the Super Bowl which totals to 1/2 X 1/192 = 1/384

Then the odds for the 1990 season would be 1/28 (28 teams) multplied by 1/6 which = 1/168
Then there is a 1/2 chance of winning the Super Bowl which totals to 1/2 X 1/168 = 1/336

Then the odds for 1986 season would be 1/28 (28 teams) multiplied by 1/5 = 1/140
Then there is a 1/2 chance of winning the Super Bowl which totals to 1/2 X 1/140 = 1/280

To calculate the odds of a 3-for-3 winning track record you multiply the odds of all three seasons 384, 336, 280 and the chances of this happening are 36,126,720 to 1!

5. And then finally, what are the odds of all of this (steps #1-4) happening for a 4th time?

ODDS OF A 4-FOR-4 RECORD:
To calculate the odds of a 4-for-4 winning track record you multiply the odds of all four seasons 384, 384, 336, 280 and the chances of this happening are 14,863,564,800 to 1!

Of course I KNOW some will insists that they know better and will refuse to accept the above calculations and facts of what has taken place - If you can PROVE otherwise, then provide such proof NOT OPINION.

I'm thoroughly underwhelmed. Don't injure your shoulder patting yourself on the back.