the water buffalo has the same type of defense. lions hunt then all the time. they are much tougher than humans.

There are a lot of species that have figured out that there is "strength in numbers",but even so,there will always be those that fall to the jaws of a predator.

Humans (in general) have taken themselves out of the wilds,where the predators are,and built themselves a "safety zone".Yet there are still those who fall to the jaws of a predator when they leave that safety zone,just like with other animal species.

But no safety zone will ever last forever.If a predator's wild forms of prey run out,they will begin to be bold enough to venture into the "paved jungle".

we would have had predators when our numbers were smaller i imagine but as we have evolved, physically mentally and socially we have seperated ourselves from animals so we are no longer a species than can be predated on.

dont believe a lion has a predator either? we kill them but not for food. there will always be animals at the top of a food chain with no predators or the chain would be infinite haha

Hyenas and the other big cats in Africa will kill and eat the lion cubs if given a chance. Male lions that take over the pride will kill and sometimes eat the current cubs in the pride.

meaning??? doesnt mean they are predators of the lion?

You have contradicted yourself, you said humans are the only animal to have no predator and yet above you said lion cubs are eaten by hyenas as an example of how hyenas are predators of lions presumably. so using this example are humans predated upon by sharks or tigers? as they occasionally have eaten humans???

see there are many animals on the earth that have no predator, humans are not special exception to the rest of the world

Sorry but Hyenas will kill and eat every lion cub they can to get rid of the competition. You have really got to watch more nature shows. Lions and Hyenas are mortal enemies.

The biggest threat to man in the world is the hippo not the predators. They kill nearly three times what all the predates in Africa do together.

haha your missing my point. and i studied zoology in uni so dont start the old start watching more nature shows rubbish. lions and hyenas are not mortal enemies. they are competitors for food. lions will steal a hyenas kill for food, hyenas eat the scraps left by lions. Hyenas are opportunists, if there is a chance for a meal they will take it, usually any smaller animal so lion cubs, if available will be eaten. they would eat human children if they had the chance. this does not mean they are predators of the lion as they do not hunt the adults.

before pointing out supposed advice to others i suggest you look at your own knowledge first.

your earlier point of humans being the only animal that doesnt have a predator is still wrong.

Sorry but I'm too lazy to read all the posts but anyway, for what it's worth:

The OT is evidence of mankind's search for God in a certain place and time. The NT is a search for a way to bring all mankind together, but it has not worked so far.

When I say 'There is a God' I search for evidence and eventually come to the conclusion that there is no God. As soon as I do. I try to live without God and find that there has to be a God---absolutely there has to be, based on all that I see and feel, but then something happens that shows that God could have no part of it and would not do that or allow it. And so the only conclusion I can come to is: We still have a primitive image of a God that was supposed by searching people. It is time we got rid of. there is a God, there is no God and search individually and together in a new way.
We need to stop denying the things that religion condemned and analyze what the inspired ones had to say.
Should not be hard to do.

Cradle of Fish & Climber:

Yes spiritual powers / psychic abilities do exist and is quite common. Actually everyone are spiritual even if they don't know it.

I base this not on ideas or theories or religious things I've read, but firsthand experience, research and experimentation with these things for more than a decade - and its no doubt about it.

Just because YOU havn't experienced it, or seen any evidence for it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Peace.

Actually I have experienced weird things. I've had an almost transcendental uplifting feeling from certain songs. I've halucinated, I've seen what could be described as a ghost, I've heard voices that really shouldn't be there. I just didn't jump to conclusions, I dont call the thing I saw a 'ghost' because I dont know either way. Spiritual experiences aren't some magical thing, they all take place within our mind, because thats all we really are, a few pounds of grey matter and a life support system. You really cant trust subjective experiences completely, considering how easily the mind and the eye are tricked.

So please, explain to me how psychic powers work. Are we wrong about the laws of physics?

CoF is correct.

These occurrences are explained through neurological and psychological experimentation.

If you wish to prove to the world that psychic powers are real, astral projection is real, or whatever else you believe is real, then please participate in controlled experimental tests hosted by researchers in the field.

I would be interested in seeing the results of such tests, because to date, results are either inconclusive or proven to be false.

Then the arctic wolf does not hunt the Musk Oxen. The Polar Bear does not hunt the fur seal. Neither hunt the adults just the babies.

Crocodylus niloticus is an active predator on humans.
Crocodylus porosus is an active predator on humans.
Crocodylus palustris has been known to hunt and eat humans.
Melanosuchus niger has been known to hunt and eat humans
Panthera tigris is an active pretor on humans.
Panthera leo has been known to hunt and eat humans, especially in Tsavo.
Panthera pardus will hunt and eat humans in Africa and Asia. In India it has been known to venture into cities and attacked people.
Panthera onca has been known to hunt and eat humans.
Puma concolor has been known to actively hunt and eat humans.
Crocuta crocuta has been known to actively hunt and eat humans.
Ursus maritimus will hunt anything it can kill including humans.
Hydrurga leptonyx has been known to hunt and kill humans, even though there is a tiny amount of overlap between human habitation (mainly research outposts) and the animals range.
Canis lupis has been known to predate on humans.


There are various other extinct animals that have been known to be predators of humans too, such as the cave lions of ice age Europe.

Again the hippo. a non preditor is more dangeress than all of those preditors you just stated unless one or two of them might be bacteria or viruses.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/animals5.html

Well you asked for animals that predate on humans. Not animals that kill humans. That list would be longer. You also said animals so that rules out bacteria and viruses and if we are talking about life forms technically viruses are not alive.

Yes, and? What's your point? You went from saying that humans have no predators to the hippo being the most dangerous animal to humans (which is true). What are you trying to say? Be more clear and concise.

Now thats a whole other debate entirely!

I added a link. I also said actively hunt humans. meaning more often 100 a year.

No it does not, get some consistency.

The question has now been asked in the nature forum. I'd be interested in your input since your microbiology is far superior to mine.

My point is that humans do not have any active predators. The predators that do prey on humans only do so when they are very hunger and can not bring down their normal prey. In the past if this were to happen we would then go out and hunt said animal down and kill it. For the most part predators and prey stay away from humans. Although it seems that the big cats like our trucks. seems that it gives them a height advantage that they might not normally have. At least in the area that said camera truck is parked filming the animal.

And I have pointed out that 5 animals will specifically hunt humans when they are there. A polar bear that is not starving or insane will still eat you. Crocodiles are predators of humans an attack commonly. You are wrong about this. Look at the my list and you'll find out that these animals consider you prey.

Polar bears will also totally ignore humans and instead go for the town dump. Crocs are an opportunity hunter ie they ambush their prey. Both of them will go after their normal prey over humans if they have a choice. IE neither of them actively hunt humans unless they are hungry or that person does something stupid in the water to get the crocs attention. Or haven't you ever watched the croc hunter. The only time those crocs in the zoo go after the idiot is when he is trying to get them to go after them or when he is mowing the grass or when he is messing with their nests.


But it seems that I have already cut your list of five done to two.

I do have to correct myself here. The docs. that I have watched do state that the polar bear will hunt humans if they can't find their normal prey. But then again they also hunt beluga whales. Also in at least one of these docs. I watched an adolescent starving bear turn down a human for food as well.
Which I guess was a good thing because the safety team would have killed it otherwise.

They are not 'active hunters of humans' because they normally do not encounter humans as they do not live in urban areas, however, they can/will/DO hunt humans when given the opportunity.

Crocodiles will go for humans in the wild with as prey and they commonly do. Crocodiles will target humans with out them being hungry. Would you enter the water with a Nile crocodile? No it would be tantermount to suicide. Watching keepers in a zoo is not the same as the behaviour of these animals in the wild. These animals are known to kill hundreds each year in the wild.
Leopards (Panthera pardus) are know to enter cities such as Mumbai i India and attack and eat people.
Tigers will stalk and attack and eat people.
If more people lived in Antarctica leopard seal attacks would rise dramatically.

Adolescent should not be considered as an adult would.

if god created life god created man, birds, cows, fish, trees,etc. god did create everything. our perception of creating means designing then constructing. gods far above that. he isnt bound by his own abilities or intelect he can do anything and everything and it will be perfect. think of life as a whole its completley perfect. who knows maybe on another planet across the universe he created something that isnt life but is just as perfect. something we cant even imagine something with its own free will and its own intelect and is also completley oblivious to its own creation. hes very capable

I think it is safe to say that this world is not perfect. No perfect system would have an organisms own cells go so wrong in repair and reproduction to the extent that it is fatal.

No perfect world would have humans. We are clearly the worst thing to happen to this planet.

And you base this on absolutely nothing.

Myself and others have already demonstrated why life is not perfect.

the hyena doesnt hunt the lion cubs though, they rely merely on chance or opportunity. the other examples you mentioned purposefully seek out their prey, hyenas do not, that is why they are predators and hyenas are scavengers

haha but the hippo attacks to defend its territory not for food, the hippo does not eat humans, it merely kills them when they are too close or in its territory. there is a difference

are you talking about hippos??? they do not hunt humans, they merely attack them if they feel threatened or humans are intruding on their habitat

life on the whole is hardly completely perfect is it?

I am sorry hyenas are the second most successful hunters in Africa. They do and will hunt. But they are not above stealing a meal nor is the lion.

Your right hippos don't hunt humans but they kill around 300 people a year. the big cats all put together kill about 100. The Nile croc gets credit for around 100. I don't remember Hyena numbers but they are fewer than the cats. Elephants kill around 150 a year.

depends on what your idea of perfect is. yours is based on cellular function mine is based on the function of life as a whole.

Which doesn't happen to make a bit of difference. I can observe the inefficient use of transportation (bipedalism) that humans use, the inefficient gas exchange that occurs in insects, or the waste of energy in the various cycles involved in human development.

Yes but the cats, the hyena and the crocodiles will all eat you afterwards.

true but that is just an opportunity.

Daniel, what is the point your trying to make here?

I made my point. Everyone else is trying to disprove my point but their haven't been able to.


Again my point is that man is in the world but not part of it. We are outside of it's normal operations. If we didn't need food we would have no link to this planet at all.


Which throws a wrench into the whole life had to be spontaneous and not created by God.

How does human's emotional/physical attributes conflict with abiogenesis? There is no conflict.

Abiogenesis is interesting!

If you put certain substances together, it 'grows.'

But, abiogenesis has a twist to it. You have to produce a living organism from non-living things.

Can you do that?

I believe you can!

Well science is getting closer and closer.

How close does science need to get, though. They have their microscopes.

They have better than that, they have electron micrograph's.

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