Hello all!

At the request of Belgis, I've started this topic in order to answer any questions you may have.

To answer Belgis' question: "What made you become a Raelian?"

I'd always been searching throughout my life. Ever since I was a kid I'd flick through the Bible and gets books out at the library on cults, new age religions, philosophy, religious thought etc. I had dabbled in every religion...I was a Buddhist for a few months, I was a Christian for a few months, I was even a Satanist!

I always knew that the religious texts had a basis of truth - but I found it hard to follow their horrible teachings (eg. being gay is bad/sex is bad/we are all sinners etc).

When I was 15 I found an article in a magazine about the Raelian Religion and how they were going to build an embassy to welcome back the creators of humanity. The article explained that these creators were mistaken for Gods and that the religious texts had distorted their original teachings.

This is what I had been looking for!

I order Rael's book and read it and I completely believed it. I was Raelian for about 3 or 4 months, however (and I can't remember why) I eventually forgot about it and that book sat on my shelf for 8 years.

One morning I woke up, and had this incredible urge to read the book again. I had no idea why, but I started to read it. And then I knew that it was for real. I guess I needed the 8 years off to experience life and to form my own opinions and to continue the search. I understood the book much better, being more mature at the age of 23.

Since then I've become involved completely in the movement....attending meetings, going to seminars, getting out there in the street handing out flyers, doing letter box drops etc. Just trying to spread this message to people who may be interested.

This is why I'm in this forum - I'm looking forward to having many discussion with you all and I want you to know that I'm not going to be preachy or pushy. I can only really answer things from my perspective!

-Josh

How old is the religion, who started it, and is it related to scientology?

Do you get harrassed for your beliefs? - there seems to be some stigma attached to new religions.

What is the evidence for your religion or does it rely on faith?

(when I know more my posts may become more conversational )

Hey Archangel Josh
I dont know much about Raelism, but I was looking it up on Wikipedia and I read about how since Catholic Schools opposed a condom vending machine the Raelism handed out 10 000 condoms to the students. I find this most amusing.
Welcome to UM
Cheers
Churchanddestroy

The main thing that's always confused me about the Raelian Religion is this - Why would Super Intelligent Alien Beings who made the rather embarrassing mistake the first time round of letting themselves being mistaken as Gods...make exactly the same mistake a second time and create another religion?

Good question Tiggs.

Here is one: How did these aliens make contact the first time, if there wasn't a "spaceport/embassy" for them to arrive at?

From what I've read, >>they<< are waiting for this group to complete their embassy before revealing themselves.

I think its a lot of bullocks based on already known theories such as from sitchin, scientology, etc, von daniken, and so on.I don't dismiss that there might have been some alien influence in ancient past, but I see no reason to worship such beings, rather the opposite if such is the case.

Why not go for the real God, the Supreme Good, that is above all other creators, and your inner self, intstead of wasting time worshipping physical beings from another planet? If they even exist they are certainly not gods, nor saviors, nor does it seem they did anything good for us considering this chaotic world we live in.

I'd say the OP found something that works how he wants it to? Can't blame him I guess, the love hug festivals would attract any red blooded male. - Piccy Love Hug Festival, one of Raels Angels.
Claude Whorhillion was banned from at least one country because of his stance and practices in regards to sexuality and minors. Wired magazine infiltrated the cult with 2 people and reckon it really ought to be shut down. Although the sex does sound plentiful. It is apprently used as a reqruitement tool. Good marketing, maybe the defence forces should try that..........
There is much potential to hurt young people in this cullt movement.
Having read intelligent design, I found it anything but intelligent, the proposed world ecconomics appear to have been wrtten by a person who has not hit high school yet, but feels thay have an understanding of economics. It's a joke. I doubt any country wll offer this cult full religious status, even the founding country France recognises this bunch as a cult.
South Korea wont let Claude Whorhillion into the country.

Intelligent Design is a bad plagerisation of the Bible in an attempt to garner funds and *spam filter* (hrmmz? Physical relations). Nothing more. Still, least they have not done what Scientology did for Lisa McPherson as yet to my knowledge. We do not need more religions, especially badly plagerised stuff like this!! Hopefully it will never leave it''s cult status and fizzle out.

h3y archangel josh i like 2 talk 2 u alone lol this is my msn the_great_....snip....com
i realy want 2 talk too u.

Not a good idea to post your email address on a public forum unless you love spam. Why don't you pm archangel_josh.

Whatever happened to the claim that Raelians cloned the first human? When proof was demanded the Raelians sort of faded to black... Why?

Hello BELGIS!

Rael was given the message by Yahweh, one of the creators, on December 13th 1973 - for an hour each day for 7 days. After this, the religion started.

It's not related to Scientology at all.

I don't get harrassed for my beliefs....my friends make jokes about aliens and drinking koolaid to me, but that's just them being idiots! Many Raelians throughout the world have been harrassed. I know people that have been spat on in the street, had eggs thrown at them, been physically assaulted, threats made against them because they're out in the street spreading their beliefs.

It's even worse in France, where the movement was started. People get fired for being Raelians sometimes!

The stigma attached to new religions is just fear of anything new. Jesus was killed because he started a new religion!

There is much evidence - all of what Rael has said is in line with the ancient texts/religions and the "crazy/wacky" info he was given in 1973 has been proven to be true by science eg. Cloning is possible. Travelling faster than the speed of light is possible. Being happy makes you healthier etc.
We don't rely on faith at all - science is proving that Rael is telling the truth.

-Josh

I would like to know if the aliens themselves believed in a creator. Now that would be interesting.

HELLO CHURCHANDDESTROY (I like that name by the way!)

Yes, there was an action done a while back where Raelians stood out the front of Catholic Schools and gave out condoms. This was in protest to the primitive and ignorant beliefs of the Catholic Church - which is damaging our youth.

I think we can all agree that kids need to be educated on how to have safe sex. The Catholic School don't teach them anything - so when the kids experiment they usually get STD's or pregnant!

So that action was all about educating the kids and trying to help them.

HELLO TIGGS!

The Elohim created humanity and they were mistaken for Gods because the humans were primitive. They would not have understood the truth about the Elohim. Even if they sat them down and explained who they were, where they came from and how their technology worked, the primitive people could not comprehend. They wouldn't know what the Elohim were talking about! This is why they were mistaken for gods....the Elohim didn't LET themselves be mistaken because even if they had explained the primitive people would not have understood!

When they 'create' religion, it wasn't designed to be the way 'religion' is today. They had to progressively educate humanity about themselves whilst delivering a new message. So at the very beginning, the 'gods' were always very black/white eg. "I am a very jealous God. You will have no other gods beside me" -Exodus. This was just to stop the primitive people from worshipping logs of wood and to make them understand that the Elohim were very real and tangible at that certain time.
Even the most recent religon before Raelism, the Mormons, we can see that the Elohim were progressively educating humanity about themselves. The mormons are told that 'god' lives on a planet in our universe, near a sun called 'Kolob'. etc.
Man got carried away with religion and started to dumbly worship the Elohim instead of trying to understand them.

HELLO JMPD1!

The Elohim made first contact with humans when they created Adam in their laboratory. When he became awake and aware, he would have seen the creators in the same room. However, if what you're asking is how they arrived, then this is a bit more involved:

When they first discovered the Earth is was all underwater. They made huge explosions to gather the earth together into one original continent and they built bases around this original continent. (You can see all of this in Genesis eg. "Let the firmament below the water be gathered together in one place".

Yes, the Elohim will make OFFICIAL contact with humanity when the official embassy is built. But first, humanity must take significant steps towards becoming peaceful. Then once a country grants us neutral land to build the embassy on (with clear airspace/diplomatic immunity/no military surveillance) then we can build the embassy. Once this is built, we will gather there and the Elohim will come and make official contact....as one race of humans meeting another race of humans.

HELLO DARKBREED

We don't worship the Elohim - they don't want that. They created us equal to them, so they want us to reach our full potential. All they want is mutual respect and love from their creation, because they think of us as their children. So there is NO WORSHIP whatsoever. Just mutual respect.

We don't got for the 'real God' like you say, because there is no God. Our concept of God comes from the mistake that our ancestors made when they thought that the Elohim were gods. There is NO GOD at all. Raelians are athiests. And we do believe in ourselves. Only humanity can save itself. We need to stop being complaicent and start doing good and peaceful things OURSELVES! Instead of waiting for Jesus to save us!

You're right - the Elohim are not gods and they aren't saviours. They are teachers. They've given us the tools to change and we haven't listened. Throughout history they've educated us through various prophets about love and peace, but these teachings were distorted by the church and other greedy people. This 'chaotic world' we live in is because we HAVE NOT listened to the Elohim, who are trying desperately to teach us the right way.

HELLO PSYCHE101

The Raelian stance on sex has been blown out of preportion - basically, any individual can do whatever they like as long as there is consent and no one is harmed.

I don't know about Rael being banned from a country because of his stance on sexuality and minors. I can tell you that the Raelian Movement operate within the law and always respect the legal age of consent. But there are some stupid laws out there. Eg. Did you know that a 17 year old boy was jailed in the USA for receiving oral sex from a 15 year old? They're only 2 years apart! They're both kids! And he went to jail for something that they both CONSENTED to! This is something that Rael has spoken out against.

I know of the people who 'infiltrated' one of the Raelian Seminar. There was no 'infiltration'! ANYONE can come to a Raelian Seminar. You can just show up to one if you want! The people from Wired magazine, as you say, have presented their opinion. It makes for a good story and they twisted many actual events. I've recently come back from a Raelian Seminar and I can tell you that it was totally normal and nothing creepy went on!

People think we all have orgies and stuff. This isn't true at all. Sex does happen at the seminar - but it's behind private doors in people's accomodation. So what if some people have more than one partner? This is their choice. It's pretty stupid to think that they're 'sick' because they like group sex. At the Raelian Seminar I just got back from I didn't have sexual relations with anyone because I've got a partner I love at home. So it's all up to everyone's individual tastes.

There is no potential to hurt young people in the Raelian Movement - as you say. As a young 24 year old man, with a very level head on my shoulder I can testify that there is NOTHING harmful in the movement to kids.

That's cool that you've read Intelligent Design - thanks for your comments on it. No big deal if you didn't like it - at least you gave it a go!

No country will grant us religious status because we don't believe in God - but even Buddhists are athiests and they are recognised as a religion! The people in control of 'religious status' in many countries of the world are very conservative people. Remember, even Jesus was considered to be a cult leader by the Jewish authorities of the day. It doesn't mean that the authories were right!

France discriminates against all minority religions - Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses etc. They do this because they fear anything that is new and anything that can upset the 'status quo'. Just because Rael is banned from certain countries doesn't mean that he's trouble. The countries are being discriminatory.


HELLO GRAYLADY2

The Raelian's didn't clone the first human. Clonaid, a company that is headed by a Raelian scientist, cloned the first human. This fact still stands true. The 'proof' in this case, was no presented because Rael requested that the identity of the 'clone' be protected. What had happened was a couple's baby had died in an accident and they gave a sample of the babies genetic code in order to 'clone' her again. Clonaid were successful in doing so, but it wouldn't have been the same person. It was the same genetic code, but the individual wouldn't be the exact same baby (in terms of personality/memory etc). The parents asked that her identity be protected and Rael obliged.

HELLO BROTHERS!

The Elohim don't believe in a supreme creator 'God' or anything like that. They're athiests like we are.

But they have said that they too were created by advanced people from another planet and that these people were created by advanced people etc.....

However, the Elohim, when they were created, were left alone by their creators, whereas our humanity had the Elohim living with us and directly interferring with humanity.

The Elohim only knew about their creators when a huge sattelite landed on their planet, which was packed full of information on their creators. This is how they know that they too were created. This satellite landed a few thousands years after they started to create life on Earth. They believe that their creators are long gone and that they arranged for this sattelite to land in order to educate the Elohim about their true origins and about them carrying on this 'creation' cycle.

The Elohim have also created 2 other humanities on other planets and they have not had any direct contact with them AT ALL. They've since confirmed that those two planets DO NOT have religion.

How interesting!

"Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are." -- Aliens

I have a few questions:

1. Why is it easy to believe that the Elohim told all this to ONE MAN, instead of asking for some kind of evidence?

2. Why did the Elohim pick Rael?

3. What kind of Welcome Committee are you supposed to be building? Are you on a time limit? If you don't get the rest of the world ready for it by a certain time, will the Elohim blow us up?

4. How can using explosives on a completely water-covered planet create land? There would still be same amount of water....

All i can say to the above is, if there was more than one creator, assuming there is one for you aethiest out there. Then there would be much chaos and conflict in the universe, instead its perfectly balanced. all life has similar genetic similarities etc, all life is in pairs etc, basically the signature in the universe is of one creator, harmony and balance, two people two creators or more would have conflict and chaos, each leaving its signature etc.

Aliens as creators, ok lets say your right, yahweh is one creator and the aliens the other, which one came first out of them, and which one lives in the universe amongst us. You see if anything has created the universe, the creator has to be seperate of it, and goverened by it, the aliens if they exist are goverend by it and are a part of creation, Yahweh on the other hand is the god of the bible, the bible depicts him incorrectly too, he is actaully seperate of creation. The creator does not become the creation, and vica versa.

Just a few questions…. For now at least.

Being that Raëlian’s believe that they have no soul why is there a heaven?
Also it seems that your religion is based on secular and hedonistic thoughts.
Sounds like a bunch of swingers got toghether & made a religion so they would not have to pay taxes. The founder of this religion seems to REALLY like women to be submissive & into sex This was taken from Wikipedia

Raël has instructed some women members to play a pro-sex feminist role in the Raëlian Church. Rael's Girls is another group of women in the movement which are against the suppression of feminine acts of pleasure, including sexual intercourse with men or women. Rael's Girls solely consists of women who work in the sex industry. In contrast to the teachings of the world's major religions, the women of Rael's Girls say there is no reason to repent for performing striptease or being a prostitute.[ This organization was set up to counteract the influence of the JC's girls mission of the Christian ex-stripper Heather Veitch.

Again I have to wonder if this is just a ploy to have sex with anyone & everyone & not pay taxes……Perhaps this is why Catholics like it?

I disagree with protesting another persons belief. I believe such denies that protester any right to an expectation of religious protection for themselves. This protest, which it was, does not sound like a good thing. I believe various people do not teach their children appropriately, this doesn't give me the right to decide how their children are taught.

My question is this: Would Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. be viewed as trying to help your children if they were to protest your beliefs to your children, any belief, as it could be considered, by said religion, a protest of some odd and ignorant belief? Do you believe other religions have the right to do such and behave in the same manner?

Do you believe other religions have the same rights in regard to decisions as to what is and is not a healthy education for your children?

Not attacking entirely, but asking the question as to your belief on this.

So your not a religion. You are a group of people who believe aliens created humanity, going against all scientific evidence pointing otherwise.


Lapiche

Remember the Civil War?

HI DLV,

You need to know where they are? The Elohim have said that they don't want us to know the exact location of their planet, but they've stated that their planet is less than 1 light year away from Earth.

Hi SunDogDayze,

1. Why is it easy to believe that the Elohim told all this to ONE MAN, instead of asking for some kind of evidence?

It's easy to see why the Elohim told all of this to one man, because that's how 'God' in the old days used to talk to humanity. He would give a message to a prophet and it was up to that prophet to change the world. Seeing as the Elohim were this 'God', then it can be understood that they would give the message to one man. This way it's an 'unofficial' contact with humanity. We are spreading information about the Elohim before they come, so as not to completely shock people when they do. I've asked for much evidence and all of my questions have been answered - Rael's information is being confirmed by new scientific studies every day....that's evidence for me.

2. Why did the Elohim pick Rael?

They needed someone who was born in a country open to new ideas, and Rael was born in France. He was the son of a Jewish father and a Catholic mother, who the Elohim consider to be two very dominant religions. They also needed someone who was born after the explosion at Hiroshima, which was a marking point that was symbolic of humanities entrance into these 'end times'.

3. What kind of Welcome Committee are you supposed to be building? Are you on a time limit? If you don't get the rest of the world ready for it by a certain time, will the Elohim blow us up?

The Welcome Committee, as you say, are just anyone who want to see the Elohim land here. We've got plans to build an official embassy, but neutral land must be given by a country and so far this hasn't happened. The Elohim have set a time limit - 2035. By 2035 either two things will have happened: humanity will have become peaceful and the embassy will be built.....OR humanity will have self destructed in a nuclear war. The Elohim won't blow us up - they want us to live.

4. How can using explosives on a completely water-covered planet create land? There would still be same amount of water....

Yahweh explained to Rael (in Intelligent Design pg. 12):

'Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear.' -Genesis 1:9

"After they studied the surface of the ocean they studied the seabed and determined that it was not very deep and fairly even everywhere. So then, by means of fairly strong explosions, which acted rather like bulldozers, they raised matter from the bottom of the seas and piled it up into one place to form a continent."

So we can see that the Elohim used explosions to break up the land, then piled it up into one place. We don't know the extent of their technology and how they achieved this, but nevertheless they are highly advanced, so it was no doubt an easy task.

Hi Ozi,

There are many life forms out there that have been created by advanced people from other planets. The Elohim have said that in the closest of these worlds to their planet, they haven't found these creators. The Elohim are the only creators in our region of the universe left.

However, if there were more than one race of creators, this doesn't mean that there would be chaos or conflict! Why would two creator races go head to head against one another? They most likely appreciate the creation and watch from afar, giving mutual respect to each other.

Just because the universe is balanced doesn't mean that this is the signature of one creator! Two creator races would not lead to conflict because both would be in perfect harmony with the universe....if they are advanced enough to create complex life on other planets then they have evolved socially enough to be peaceful and loving - otherwise they would have self destructed from their own violence!

'Aliens' are our creators, but lets call them people from other planets. Yahweh is the leader of these people. Their race have 7 billion people and they live on two planets. The mortal population live on one and 700 others live on the Planet of the Eternals (including Yahweh, their leader). So there are many people belonging to that race, but only 700 immortal ones. The Planet of the Eternals is less than 1 light year away from Earth.

They didn't create the universe - no one did. It has always been and always will. There is no beginning and no end. It is infinite. Therefore, the only creation that comes about is from advanced people who spread the gift of life. In the Bible, you can read primitive people's testimonies to having seen Yahweh, the leader of the Elohim race. He even spoke to Moses, 'face to face as one man speaks to another'.

Hi Norwood1026,

There is no soul and 'heaven' is where primitive people think 'God' lives. Seeing as the Elohim were mistaken as 'Gods', the place where they live is known in the bible as 'heaven'. It is their peaceful planet where science and technology free them from sickness and labour. The Elohim can scientifically ressurect good people from humanity on their planet...which is talked about in the Bible as 'good people going to heaven when they die'.

Our religion, I suppose, is based on secular thought because there is no God - only us. We are society. And I suppose we are hedonistic - if something pleases us then we do it (ONLY if it doesn't hurt anyone else). There's nothing wrong with pleasure - however, the Church have conditioned us to hate it.

The philosophy of 'sexual freedom' doesn't mean that a bunch of swingers got together and made a religion. There is much more to the Raelian Religion than just this part of the philosophy. What's so wrong with doing what you want to do with your body? I'm a Raelian and I'm not a swinger - I've got a stable partner and many other Raelians do. This is another common misconception - that just because you're Raelian you must be a swinger.

Yes, Rael does like women. There's nothing wrong with that. He does not want any woman to do anything that she doesn't want to do. In fact, his partner, he's stated, isn't really into sex at all! Yet he still loves her and is still with her, despite the lack of sex. So he is not sex crazed.

The Raelian Religion is trying to elevate the position of women after so many years of crushing by the Christian Church. Women are not subserviant or there for mens pleasure. Rael's Girls is a way of being proud of female sexuality (which for so long was thought to be wrong!). There is nothing wrong about being a porn star or a prostitute - as long as you are being safe and as long as you want to do it! This is, again, something that the Church has conditioned society to hate. There's nothing wrong with women who want to be sexual - it's natural. It's not a ploy to have sex with anyone.

The Raelian Bible
One author.
One mans opinion.
A little background behind the movement for your concideration.

A building is only as strong as its foundation.

The foundation of Raelism is built on the opinion and supposed experiences of one man Claude Vorilhon. That being said the character of such a man is worthy of scrutiny. What do we know about this man?

1.He’s a former journalist and race care driver. Although he claims to despise the media, he is a master at manipulating press conferences from his start in France in 1975 in the promotion of his first book The Book Which Tells the Truth, The Message Given to Me by Extra-Terrestrials. He has continued his pattern of bait and vanish right up to the announcement of a cloned human in 2000.

2.He lives half the year in Florida and the other half at UFOland, the Raelians' theme park and condo complex about an hour northeast of Montreal.He founded the organization in France in 1973 but it is now based in Quebec, Canada. He claims a following of 55,000 members in 84 countries. Amidst growing legal problems Rael decided to leave France. He immigrated to Canada, where he is a resident and achieved tax-exempt religious status for his Raelian movement.

3.Rael advocates sensual massage, nude meditation, free love, and eternal life through human cloning. And encourages all members to participate in these activities to promote and recruit new membership.

4.He’d also would like you to give 10% of your after-tax income to the foundation so he can afford his lavish lifestyle. And until you can clone yourself, he requests that when you die, you leave the bulk of your worldly possessions to the Raelian movement.

5.He Targets a growing market of bereaved parents, infertile or same-sex couples as well as young people with an interest in UFO’s, and crop circles. The Raelians claim to have cloned the first human, but offer no evidence to the scientific community.

6.He insists that followers and the media address him as a prophet and call him your holiness. Although he claims it is with tongue in cheek his ego thrives on this form of attention.

7.The sexual structure of the movement seems to fit Rael’s personal interests, with various categories of adepts. One of them can be considered as his personal love slaves, since the members can only have sexual intercourse with a prophet, and he is the only prophet right now.

8.Marie-Paul his ex wife claims She witnessed nude gatherings in the living room and says she was treated as a servant while he brainwashed their preteen children into believing he was a divine messenger for an alien race. Knowing him best she describes him as “’He is a very cynical, manipulative and charismatic man”.

9.Shortly after his divorce he married a 16 year old daughter of one of his followers (with their permission of course).

10.He has even admitted to his child hood friend Roland that it is all built on lies, Roland asked Claude if he had lied about his encounter with alien beings from outer space. Vorilhon reportedly replied, “Yes, I lied but you knew it, anyway, so I am not teaching you anything! Claude went on to explain that he had never seen any “little green men,” but that the tale helped him achieve the attention and eventual status he wanted.
Well I will save the rest for another day, but I leave you with a question. Is this the character of a man you would have lead your children and grandchildren into eternity?
Personally I wouldn’t even buy a used car from him!

All the Best
Irish

Hi BeeEff!

I see what you mean - the Raelians weren't protesting against the RIGHT to believe that contraception shouldn't be used. They were protesting against the ACTION that the Catholic school did, by not installing a proposed condom vending machine that was requested. Don't you agree that people should be safe when having sex? You can believe that contraception is wrong if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that kids are getting pregnant and getting STD's! Something needs to be done to help these kids and the ACTION in not helping them is what we are protesting about. People are entitled to believe what they want.

No religion has the right to protest against people believing in something. The Raelians were just out the front of the school with condoms incase kids wanted any - it's not like they were forcing them into 8 year old kids hands! Again it was a protest against the school for not installing a proposed condom machine.

Religious or not, we can look at what is healthy education for children. The use of contraception is a healthy education because we know that the rate of teen pregnancies is skyrocketing because of the 'abstinance' approach that most schools have. They are not educating the kids, they leave them to their own devices! So when they kids finally give into their natural hormones, they end up pregnant because no one taught them the proper way to keep themselves safe. Surely you can agree that sex education is a healthy education!

Hi Piney,

Technically speaking, 'religion' means to 'link'. We're not a traditional religion, but we feel 'linked' to the Elohim. We feel 'linked' to the universe. We feel 'linked' to each other. We have a philosophy and a group of likeminded people. So we're a religion in this sense. But when not talking about religion, we are called the International Raelian Movement, because we are a movement for welcoming the creators of humanity. Once they've arrived, the movement won't be needed. Then we will truly become a religion because the whole of humanity will feel linked to the infinite universe as Raelians feel everyday.

So why does he seem to go after women who have women who have worked in the sex industry?

Hi Irish,

Yes, Rael's books have one author, and technically speaking (if you believe that he made it all up) it is only his opinion.

There is a strong foundation....

Yes he's a former journalist and race car driver. These were his jobs. He despises the LIES that the media tell. He is a master at manipulating press conferences? How do you know? How does one manipulate inviting journalists to hear what you have to say? Bait and vanish? Yes, information is presented, some media is interested, then the roar dulls down.....this is the natural way of the mainstream media. (Out of sight out of mind...)

Yes he does live various places. He had legal problems in France because so many lies were made up and he wasn't winning any court cases and there was much religious discrimination because people fear anything that's new or that changes the status quo. A tax-exempt status isn't a bad thing if you're a religion - it means that we can achieve our goals quicker instead of having to pay money to fund the government's military and other idiotic ventures!

Yes, what's wrong with sensual (stimulating the senses of touch, sight, sound, feeling, smell) mediation? What's wrong with being naked? What's wrong with love that is given freely and consentually? What's wrong with the possibility of living forever? He does encourage people to participate, but not to recruit new members. New people come to us, we don't go out there looking for people.

He does not want you to given 10% to his foundation so he can afford his 'lavish' lifestyle. A 1% donation is reccommended to Rael and 10% recommendation to the Raelian Movement to build the embassy. Rael doesn't live lavishy. He has a simple condo and car. It is requested that the family home and all the contents within it and all the possessions are left to whomever you want - the Raelian movement doesn't take people's possessions even if they are given by Raelians! What you are thinking about it the part of the book where the Elohim have requested that we stop the idea of 'inheritance' which raises people like Paris Hilton to high positions of social superiority and leaves intelligent people among poor people without a chance for a start in life. If it is given to the Raelian Movement, then this will help to achieve the aims of the movement - by helping to bring the Elohim to Earth. It's a 'bigger picture' idea. However it's not compulsory to do so.

He doesn't target bereaved parents, infertile or same sex couples in order to start up clones. These people can be helped by cloning technology! Just because people are interested in UFO's/crop circles doesn't mean that he targets them! Like I said, new people come to us with an interest.

The 'holiness' title is just a way of asserting himself as a true spiritual leader in the media - who often treat with with no respect.

Only members can have sex with the prophet? Nonsense. Not true at all.

His ex wife probably did see nude gathering in the living room - what's wrong with that? I've read that article before and it seems to me to be the bitter testimony of his ex wife who couldn't accept what was going on. It is only her opinion.

I don't know what you mean about him marrying a 16 year old....

I've also read of his friend who said Rael made it all up. I doubt this highly - how can one make up 'prophecies' that are coming true? eg. scientific discoveries that prove his 'wacky' ideas are true (cloning is possible, the speed of light can be sped up and slowed down, being happy is good for the brain).


I understand that you're trying to help me to understand and I thank you for your concern - I've thoroughly researched all of these claims before and I've found many answers to them. After all of this, I still believe Rael. Remember, there are many lies out there and even Jesus was accused as being a 'cult' leader by the Jewish 'authorities'.

You need to question why these people have said such things in the first place....

Thanks again!

-Josh

Although I can not prove it to you Claude Vorilhon and I have a history (Montréal 1976-78) I shall not call him a friend yet he has done me no wrong personally, however it is one man I can honestly say “be very wary of his intent”. You can read all kinds of stuff on the man on the internet and in the news, but I will tell you one thing his ego is twice the size of Canada and has done harm to many of his ex followers both here in Canada and France and half a dozen other countries he has been run out off. His day in the sun is done and he has enough money to hide out the rest of his life, I honestly believe you shall not see a resurgence of the Realian movement from himself, perhaps one of followers that are interested in making a buck from a very good sci fie story.
Believe me L Ron Hubbard has more credibility than this man.

Irish

All these just "To Serve Man," fine.


"Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are."

Josh,
i have downloaded most of the books by RAEl and some RAelians in the Country io am now have tried contacting me (coz i registered on the RAelian website).

I have read Intelligent Design, my doubt is why should the Alien or ET explain bits of the Bible here and there to Claude Vorilhon aka RAEL?? Why not the explain the entire Bible word for word?? This is similar to a fire and brimstone preacher line up ..IF,YOU, DONT, REPENT, YOU WILL, BURN, IN, HELL from different books of the bible, string them and preach hail and brimstone on those who dont repent.

I consider the bible as a collection of books mistranslated and almost misinterpretted.

Why create a seperate religion?? why a religion at all??

Hey Irish,

Although I don't put much stock into Rael's theories or 'prophesies' myself, I couldn't help but wonder, when I saw the above comments from you, how this is any different from most of the other religious and sacred texts that entire religions are based on? Including the Bible.

We know a lot about Rael, and you probably have a better sense of his character since you knew him, but it's more than what we have to go on about the people who authored the Bible. We have no idea what prompted them to write what they did, people just hope it was the inspired word of a benevolent being. There is no doubt about the contradictions between what one book of the Bible says and another about the same event, so we know different authors had different points of views. In that case, more points of view leads to confusion and discrepancies.

The bible is part history narrative (which, as you know, was written years and years after the actual events) and part prophesy (which we have not seen come to light as of yet) and part opinions of different men over a huge span of time. I don't see why Rael's books are and different, let alone worse.

And please tell me that you were joking about L. Ron Hubbard. He had claimed that the way to get rich was to create a religion, so every single person who puts personal stock in Scientology is doing nothing but prove him right. At least Rael hasn't admitted that, and continued to rake in the dough. Also, I don't think you have to sacrifice quite as much to be a Raelian as you do to be considered a Scientologist.

Who said aliens have all the imagination in the world??? Who said they have the corner on boredom???

"Look, man. I only need to know one thing: where they are."

God loves everyone, but probably prefers
'fruits of the spirit' over 'religious nuts!'

Harrassed??? LMAO how can anyone harrass him/her when they have no idea what on earht this faith is?? I never heard of it?

How old is it? A month??

HELLO Norwood1026,

Rael doesn't 'go after' women who have worked in the sex industry. The philosophy most likely appeals to these women because we don't look down on them or judge them for what they do for a living. I've never actually met anyone who has worked in the sex industry through the Raelian Movement, but no doubt they're out there in other countries, but it's not the majority. There are people of all professions.

HELLO Irish,

Please explain to me your history with Rael! How do you know him? What happened?

What things has he done to harm many ex-followers?

What do you mean that we'll not see a resurgence of the Raelian Movement from himself? Rael has been constantly involved in the movement since the beginning....he still travels the world and teaches to this day. He will do so until the day he dies - he won't have time to retire!

The difference between L Ron Hubbard and Rael is that L Ron Hubbard admits that Scientology is all made up from his opinion/research/view of the world. Rael was suddenly given all of this information in one go....what he teaches isn't from him - it's from our creators.

HELLO DLV,

I'm sorry but I don't understand what your posts are asking! Please clarify.

HELLO Da Verminator,

Glad you've had a read of the book. Yes, you'll get a follow up email just to see what you thought of the book (when you register you put down an email address). Nothing more - there wont be any pressure or more follow ups.

Why did Yahweh only explain bits of the Bible and not the entire book, word for word? Because you are right when you said: "I consider the bible as a collection of books mistranslated and almost misinterpretted."

Most of the Bible is full of crap and only small traces of the truth remain. Yahweh only gave his message to Rael for 1 hour each day, for a whole week. He had to condense the information down to the most crucial main parts and explain the truth about it. No doubt there are further references to the creators in the Bible that Yahweh didn't talk about, but the message is the most important thing - not decoding the entire book!
Yahweh isn't preaching fire and brimstone! I don't understand why you thought this.

Why create a seperate religion? It's not really, in the traditional sense, a 'religion'. It's a worldwide movement that's been created for one purpose: to spread this message around the world and to build the embassy so that the Elohim can come officially. But the philosophy, the teachings, the meditations, feeling linked to the universe, feeling linked to our creators - that's the religion part.


HI SunDogDayze,


SunDogDayze


I like your point that we've no idea about the character of people who wrote the Bible. I believe that what prompted them to write what they did was because they had an encounter with the creators and felt the need to write these historical account down. They also filled it with idiotic statements (eg. look in the Book of Psalms) that say silly things like 'God' creating the entire universe and that he is all powerful and all knowing and that we should worship him etc.

Christians think that EVERY SINGLE WORD of the Bible was somehow allowed by God, that he had a hand in the authorship of what these people wrote. But Christians don't realise that the Bible was written by primitive people with primitive ideas about what they saw. There wasn't a God - there were just advanced people who looked 'godlike' to them. Then over the years, over many different translations/edits/conferences on what books to keep and what books to throw out, we finally got the book we have today.

You've said that the Bible is part prophecy which we haven't seen come to light yet.......many prophecies have come true. It talks about the creation of the Jewish state, what the end times will be like (in which we are living in right now) etc. This information was given to the prophets by the Elohim who have studied many humanities and know what it will be like in the end times. The Elohim also have a hand in directing the events on Earth, so they've just had prior knowledge of the agenda (they created the State of Israel as was prophesised) in order to have the embassy built on the land.

Thanks for your comments on Scientology and Rael - I agree with you. Scientology costs thousands of dollars to go to their conferences/meetings/buy their CD's and books. The Raelian Movement have these books for free on the internet and our seminars/meetings are all totally free.


Hi Beckys_Mom,

It's a relatively new religion - Rael was given his first bit of information on December 13th 1973 - and he's been teaching ever since. Although it's still young for a religion, many people have heard of it and still continue to harrass Raelians (I've not experienced anything here in Australia, but in other countries it's pretty bad).

-Josh

Your a religious nut now??? darn it Irish dont do that...thats what we are here for LMAO

Ok take your pick - what do you prefer the fruit? or the Nut??? LOL

Kidding..but its fun

Josh...don't you think this world is messed up enough with a heap of religions and faiths? without someone taking it on to himself to create yet another??

My word cant people just keep a belief personal?? its safer to do so

But hey if you feel you need to belong to a group...go for it...goodness know how many have made up a religion since 1973....

Id go make one up to...if I was so desperate to have people follow my word as truth..and I was seriously board out of my tree....

A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult. Whichever way you cut it it is statutory rape.

EXACTLY

Hi Beckys_Mom

You're right, the world is messed up enough due the the amount of religion and faith. This 'messed up' part doesn't come from the original teachings (which were given to various civilizations at various times in human history)....it comes from those people who, over thousands of years, twisted those teachings/mistranslated/added their own thought/made offshoot religions etc!

Had they stuck to the original teachings, each religion would have been ready for the next message given to humanity by the Elohim. Instead they made too many contradictions which created differences.

Rael has been given the final message in this long line of 'religions'....it's a message that we can understand at this time in our history, just before we become an intergalactic civilisation.

Personal beliefs are fine, but it's not a bad thing if people gather together with similar beliefs! There's nothing dangerous about this, it's not safer to have a personal belief. What is dangerous is when people start to harm other people because thier believes dictate so - surely one person with a personal belief that homosexuals should be beaten up isn't safer than a group of people who promote peace and love?

ALSO: Beckys_Mom and Daughter of the.....

You've said: "A minor cannot consent to sex with an adult. Whichever way you cut it it is statutory rape."

You've totally misunderstood my comment that "any individual can do whatever they like as long as there is consent and no one is harmed."
You both seem to think that this means that if a man wants to have sex with a child who he 'coaxes' into consent that this is okay. Pedophilia is NOT okay! What I am saying is that a person who is sexually mature can do whatever they like with whomever they like, as long as no one is harmed. So if a homosexual man wants to have group sex with 50 other guys, there is nothing wrong with it as long as they all want to do it. If two 16 year old kids want to have sex with each other then they should, instead of listening to stupid laws that say you must be 18 to have sex.

Our laws are primitive and stupid - they bring everyone down to the common lowest denominator after years of conditioning by the Christian Church. Let's say, in 100 years time, the age of sexual consent is raised to 40! This means that anyone who has sex under this age has been a victim of 'statutory rape' - most likely including yourselves! In other countries, the ages of consent vary greatly!

In the state where I live in Australia, you can be 16. But in Tunisia you must be 20! In Iran you have to be married to have sex! In Zimbabwe you must be 13 to have sex!

Again, these are just ages imposed by cultures. They mean nothing. It's illegal to have *spam filter* in some countries, no matter what you age is! It doesn't make it right. No one has the right to tell someone what they can/can't do with their body! Surely you agree on this point?

If we look at it biologically, we are sexually mature at around 12/13. This means that our bodies are ready for sexual reproduction and many of our ancestors have sex at this age and gave birth. You are the direct result of 'statuatory rape' if you go back through the generations.

Back in Victorian times, many older men (40 or 50 year olds) married 14 year old girls! This was the norm. It's just that the standards have changed.

In saying this, we must operate within the law of our respective countries so as to not be taken to jail! But eventually, once we get rid of all of this conditioning, we'll see that individuals can do whatever they want with whomever they want.

-Josh

Provided Jesus existed he never died for religion he died because he defied an empire and threatened their power with his ideas which were ahead of their time.... These ideals eventually toppled an empire and a new one arose.

1st of all you have no real proof of original teachings...and secondly I don't give a hoot for original teachings....

Life is complex enough without religious teachings and man trying to tell you -- this is how you are meant to live your life!!!!!!

Listen up, we as humans have a mind of our own, we don't need the word of man to tell us how we should lead our lives, what we should follow and so on

It's all about power and control of the human mind...one likes to take that control and brainwash convince others that this all comes from one supernatural being (which he has no proof of)


What has this got to do with a man sexually molesting a CHILD??? all you have done is sit and make up excuses...I mean I have lost count how many religious people have said the exact same thing ...which says this --> sweet nothing about the defence against child molesting!!

Just because sick twisted people used to marry little 12-14 yr old girls and make them breed so very young (drop the dolly and have a chavie)....doesnt mean it MUST be OK...it wasnt...do you honestly think the little 12 year old female like this idea??? what makes you think she gave her consent??

Show me a holy book that is dead against child sex abuse?? can you?? not even your original teaching could provide this


Yes I KNOW there was dirty old men back then...you call it the NORM...I don't, I call it sick...it may have been NORMAL for them to take a child and push her into sex and marriage when she had no idea what was going on...it still don't make it OK or NORMAL for that matter....so please, don't sit there making up excuses for sick child molesters..and the standards for 50-60 yr old men have not changed, a lot still dream of sex with minors!!
so hop it!...it worries me when someone sits and comes up with excuses for child molesters...very worryng indeed!

I agree, Jesus died because he threatened the authorities with his ideas. Then these ideas formed the basis of the Christian church who abused these teachings and distorted them for their own power. Man is greedy and dangerous when he thinks he is right!

-Josh

Hi Beckys_Mom,


Okay again you have TOTALLY mistook what I am trying to say.

Let me explain again....

You say I've no real proof of original teachings - there are many books that have been conveiniantly 'left out' of the Bible because they contradict what the Church wants taught. In the Lost Gospels it alludes to the idea that Jesus and Mary had a sexual relationship - wherase the Church want us to believe that he was a supernatural God who didn't like or want to have sex. So we can see that not everything in the Bible is straightforward and in line with the truth. But then again, you don't care for original teachings so I won't go on.

Life is complex because many people have IMPOSED their teachings onto other people. Whereas there is nothing wrong with people teaching something that you come to and think: "I agree with this teaching, I'm going to follow it".

You're right, we are humans with a mind of our own. We use that mind the distinguish what we want to do. So if you come across a teaching that you don't like, you discard it because it goes against your conscience. A lot of time it is about power and control and brainwash, but there are teachings out there that aren't bad. The very fact that the Raelian philosophy teaches that you shouldn't harm other people is proof of this. Surely you agree that a peaceful teaching like this isn't about brainwashing and control?

Okay, now please listen to me: I am AGAINST child molestation and I am NOT sticking up for it!!!!

When I said that in Victorian times older men married 14 year old girls, I was merely stating a fact. This did happen. This was normal. Standards have changed, because we know that it's now illegal to marry a 14 year old. This has nothing to do with a man sexually molesting a child at all - why did you think that it did?

I have not made up excuses for this action - did I say that it was a good thing for men to marry 14 year olds? NO! Do I think that it's okay to do so? NO!

The Raelian Philosophy sticks up for victims of child molestation! It is the first religion to do so! We realise that the Catholic Church have said nothing and have always protected the perpetrator - this is WRONG! Children need protecting and these sick people need to be taken out of their positions of power. We have very plainly stated that child molestation is wrong!

Here is the official Raelian Statement issued to the media after we were accused of being pedophiles by people who hate us:

"Even if we are in favor of sexual freedom between consenting adults, if you are a pedophile you are definitely not welcome in the Raelian movement. Not only because our position is very clear condemning it as a mental disease, but also because, contrary to the politics of the Catholic church which has been hiding pedophile priests (see nopedo.org) and moving them from
parish to parish so they can make more victims of their disgusting behavior, the Raelian movement has a strict policy of not only expelling immediately any member suspected of pedophilia or sex with people under legal age BUT ALSO to immediately report them to the police.

Some of you may have been attracted to our philosophy due to defamatory articles in French newspapers and magazines, stating that our philosophy being in favor of sexual freedom would then favor pedophilia. The reality is strictly the opposite. When individuals have a fulfilled sexual life, they don't even think of imposing their sexuality on children, unlike
Catholic Priests unfortunately do, due to their lack of sexuality. Some articles even refer to the Raelian order of angels, a congregation of women who want to develop their femininity and who can make the vow, if they wish so, to devote their sexuality only to our Creators and their Prophets. They would then wear a pink feather around their neck to openly show their desire
to have no sex. These women decide freely to do so, just as catholic nuns would do; this is part of the *spam filter*uality that we profess, the right to say no to sex as well. In this organization angel minors also have to signal the fact that they are under the legal age for sex, by wearing a black feather around their neck to make sure that no adult Raelian approach them at any time with sex in mind. Some of these minor angels also choose to have no sex at all, thus refusing sex with potential minor partners which most young girls experience during their teens. They would then wear a pink feather as well. Some newspapers have seen the minors' beautiful decision of reserving their sexuality for our Creators as an indication of pedophilia, which is completely ridiculous.

It is very clear in the Raelian Philosophy that pedophilia is a sign of mental disease and will never be tolerated within the organization. Any member, whatever his rank, who would be found guilty of such a behavior will be expelled and reported to legal authority."

Like I said, I DO NOT think it's okay that people used to marry 12-14 year olds! It must have been horrible for the poor 12 year old girl, who was on a COMPLETELY different stage of her life when the 50 year old married her and made her have kids! NOTHING made me think that she gave her consent - most of the child brides back then must have been so scared of what was happening. This is why it was wrong - because the child was made to do something that she didn't want to do - which brings me back to our philosophy - every individual can do what they want as long as no one is harmed....young child brides were HARMED! So this makes is NOT ok.

I agree with you....holy books have been distorted and say that its all okay. Read the Koran - it has many horrible texts relating to female children and adult men.

Whatever we think about dirty old men back in Victorian times marrying young kids legally, it was the norm. We both agree that it's sick, but this doesn't change the fact that it was normal back then. I'm not saying that it is NORMAL or OK to do so, the people back in those times THOUGHT it was normal and okay.

Beckys_Mom - if there is anything that you can get from my post, please take this:

I am NOT making excuses for child molesters! I am AGAINST child molestation.

Is this clear enough?

-Josh

Hello,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to change your belief system.
But why another religion/movement...??? I don't buy your welcoming committee bit, embassy and all. Why didn't they share their technology to us? Is it because they want division to perpetuate, if they do exist? Why didn't they give us the cure for boredom and cancer? Perhaps they're just as bored to death as many people on earth? What's even worst, they are eternally bored?

If they do exist, let's say they exist, then hurray for them. I, on the other hand, won't lose sleep over their superstardom. In fact, I think I'm better off than them because I'm not eternal, at least I believe my God has the power to grant me Eternal Rest.

Good luck to your quest.

Could you really handle Obama's stuttering for four years?

Hi

Thank you for the polite reply, however, being a 41 year old male, I can honstly tell you, much as you think you have a level head on your shoulders right now, there is a darn good chance you do not. At 24, it is hard to imagine in regard to social structures and cultures. Especially if you see any value beyond *adult relations* in Raels ramblings.
No doubt the ride is a fun one, perhaps I am bitter because I never went to a love hug festival, I dont know, but I do know this is plagerisation, and not morally right. Sure, sex is fun, but Rael is wrong to be so open with it amongst what the rest of the world deems minors. There is no rush to reach sexual maturity.
Not all religions have a right to exist in my opinion. Scientology should be shut down tomorrow, and anyone that thinks otherwise should speak to Lisa McPhersons family. I doubt it will last too long anyway, the global protests earlier this month were a smashing success. These ratbags are being slowly but surely exposed. It is not OK to peddle false hope and steal the lives of others for personal gain. I am glad they will not last, Tom was a lousy poster boy, they really messed up picking him over Travolta didn't they.
Rael is Banned from Vietnam beause of his stance on sexual practises. I hope they never let him back in. If he came to Oz, I'd be at the airport with a bag of rotten tomatoes. And I could bet a great deal of company.
You are obviously into this for the *adult relations* (24 year old male - well SHOCK HORROR!!!). Do not promote this as a belief, take what you want and leave. You may end up with a bigger burden that you ever thought you could have. Sex can be a dangerous game to play. It really should not form part of religion, what is supposed to infulence a family situation. Sex has no place in church.

And the everybody give all your possesions to one source, and do not hold what you parents leave you, give it to a communal source is a crock and the way Rael is robbing people. Not all that different to Scientology in that regard, as stealing seems a given in these new wave religions. I don't see any missions helping villagers in 3rd world countries from Raels clans? None of Raels' angels over in Africa with the Catholics dragging around barrels of rice to feed hungry villagers? No Rael doctors helping the Protestants cure diseases? Perhaps one might have faith in a religion that is interested in helping others, and not continuously pre-occupied with legal and tax status in every country of the world. Crawl before you can walk.

Don't try and kid us m8, you are in it for a free root.

Hey there,

Why another religion/movement? Rael has been given an updated message because it is the time for humanity to realise what's been going on because we are mature enough to handle the truth about our origins and more importantly, to UNDERSTAND our origins from a scientific perspective.

The Elohim don't share their technology with us because they are 25,000 years in advance of us and we don't have the wisdom to use their technology. We are violent and primitive still - they will only come and share their technology when humanity have become peaceful and when the embassy is built to invite them. Could you imagine how our world leaders currently would abuse technology that is so far advanced? We would blow ourselves up (we are close to doing that any day now anyways!).

They don't give us the cure for cancer/starvation/homelessness etc. because WE HAVE THE MEANS to cure it all ourselves. Instead we elect idiots into power who use tax payers money to generate weapons and war, which it a terrible mistake. Imagine if we got rid of all the bull (war, hate, weapons, crime etc) and put all of our energy into fixing the sick, looking after the elderly, feeding the homeless/the starving. We would fix it all! But, we have chosen not to. They've sent messengers throughout history to educate us about love and peace and STILL we don't listen. Even the Catholic Church - who worship Jesus, aren't listening to his basic teachings, which is to 'love one another and to help one another'. Instead they live in gold castles with the most expensive robes. Shouldn't they be helping the poor?

The Elohim do exist, and it's fine if you don't give a sh**. That doesn't worry them! If you find happiness in believing in God then that's great! Be happy, peaceful and loving! It's cool that you are true to yourself.

-Josh

Hi there,

So you think that age is an indication of how someone can be a good judge? You think that because I'm 24 and that you're 41 that you have a better idea in regards to social structures and cultures? This is a very general statement my friend! I'll admit that you have many more years of life experience than I do, but please don't judge me on my age! An idiot can be any age! I know some 18 year olds that are more mature and intelligent than most adults that I know! Anyhow, I realise that this is your opinion, but I disagree.

I see value beyond adult relations?

Again, you misinterpret what I am saying. There's nothing wrong with being open about sex around minors - we need to educate them. But come on mate, when two teenage kids want to have sex and they think they're ready for it then they should. Who are we to impose our stupid laws on them (I refer to the 17 year old kid who was jailed for receiving oral sex from his younger girlfriend, who consented).

I agree there is no rush to reach sexual maturity - when someone is ready, they are ready. It's up to the individual.

I disagree wholely with you when you say not all religions have the right to exist. People have the right to believe anything they want (especially Scientologists - I don't believe what they do, but leave them alone). It's only when their beliefs are harmful and hurtful that we should try to change this part of their religion (or at least, limit their effect on society). Rael has, for years, said that all of the parts of religious texts that instruct people to kill/be violent should be censored. Don't you agree? People should have religious freedom, but only if no one is being harmed or forced into anything.

Rael has been to Oz many times - are you from here too? (I'm in Melbourne). Please don't throw tomatoes, that'd just plain rude.

You, once again, are TOTALLY mistaken about me. You think that because I'm 24 that I'm into it for the adult relations. Don't generalise - you have no idea who I am and what I'm about. I'm married and have been for nearly two years and I've had the same sexual partner for years. I have no interest in 'free love', as you call it, within the Raelian Movement because it simply doesn't exist like you seem to think. I'm into the Raelian Movement because I believe in our creators the Elohim and what they have taught Rael. That's it.

You tell me not to promote this as a belief? Well done - you have just inspired me to be even more active in this forum. It's people like you who have ruined the world by imposing your own primitive and outdated beliefs onto a population of millions throughout history and kept them enslaved with their fear and guilt of their own thoughts and beliefs.

You warn me against sex? You say that I'll end up with a bigger burden that I could ever have thought? Nonsense. Again, people like you put fear into people's minds about sex to the point that they feel guilty for their natural lusts. Thanks for the advice, but no thanks. Have you ever heard of safe sex before? Nothing to fear if everyone is being safe!

Sex shouldn't form a part of religion? Sex is the most natural thing in the world - it's like eating or sleeping. Our creators have made us with the ability to experience pleasure and if we want, we should go after that pleasure. You disagree however, which is totally fine. Just don't tell me how to live my life.

Sex has no place in church? AH! I see now.....you are a Christian? I'm sorry dude, I've just wasted my time with this post. There's no way I can give you my opinion on this whole subject - you probably haven't even read this. You won't listen to my arguement....you're too conditioned.

Dude, again you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Rael in Africa. Go to: www.raelafrica.org
Rael has set up 'Clitoraid' which is all about promoting the ban on female circumcision (where people brutally remove the clitoris for the simple reason that they believe women shouldn't have pleasure) and they are building a hospital where they are restoring the clitoris in these women (who are in pain, have infection etc) for FREE.
Rael has also given his time to helping local tribes regain their power back from the colonial powers that still reside there and has called for the United States of Kama (which is Africa in their native language). He is very active in helping them out of their problems.

You've said: "Don't try and kid us m8, you are in it for a free root."

If you've read this post, you'll know my answer to this highly disrespectful comment.

I'm more interested in you and why you feel so strongly against all of this. Please tell me about yourself - your background/religion etc.


-Josh

Nothing personal, but if the stories related by C.V are a load of spit-tooi- then the whole kit and caboodle, the weird looking "women" (are they, really not transgendered weirdos? what woman in her right mind!)- the whole lot goes right here-




In my humble opinion.

So, drop the nonsense P.R., Josh.