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^ He's right. It seems that with all the expedition and deforestation, the chance of finding a truly significant new species is pretty slim, almost second to none.
QUOTE (supervike @ Feb 25 2008, 05:54 PM) 
But 'mountain gorillas' were just a larger version of a known gorilla species. It wasn't a ground breaking 'cryptozoological' find. And if that's the best evidence we have, its rather flimsy. My point with this thread is that there has never been 'one' creature found that has 'shocked the world'--just variations of known creatures.
I realize that myth is always going to be more 'romantic' than the real item, but until one Bigfoot, or Nessie, or Mothman, or Yeti, or mkole mbembe is found, and people come forward and say "yes...that is what we've been seeing!", then I'll have to say Crytozoology is a flop.
Instead, the findings have been mundane, like 'oh here is another spotted deer, but this one has spots only on its rear end.' Quite frankly...big whoop. While those findings are exciting for zoologists, they are pretty boring for the mysterious creature lovers.
I realize that myth is always going to be more 'romantic' than the real item, but until one Bigfoot, or Nessie, or Mothman, or Yeti, or mkole mbembe is found, and people come forward and say "yes...that is what we've been seeing!", then I'll have to say Crytozoology is a flop.
Instead, the findings have been mundane, like 'oh here is another spotted deer, but this one has spots only on its rear end.' Quite frankly...big whoop. While those findings are exciting for zoologists, they are pretty boring for the mysterious creature lovers.
well it took goodall months to sight her chimpanzees. months! their also was an expedition looking for chimps, and during a 40 month search, only 1 was found.
an animal like bigfoot, being a primate, would have long life spans, and exist in small numbers. its likely omnivorous, and deer and elk would be its prey.
There is so many species that weve discovered but I would say the Okapi.
QUOTE (indeed @ Feb 21 2008, 12:38 AM)
NZ mose.
Though it was an known animal, was just scoffed at even the though had been their for nearly a century until hairs where found
Though it was an known animal, was just scoffed at even the though had been their for nearly a century until hairs where found
Glad you brought that up. That is a very interesting story.
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New Zealand's moose story has its beginnings in the snows of Alberta and Saskatchewan. In the winter of 1909, acting on a request from the New Zealand government, the Canadian government authorized the capture of 17 moose calves, which were transported to what is now Elk Island National Park, east of Edmonton, and reared on cow's milk and willow brush. Ten of them — six females and four males — were shipped to New Zealand for release into one of the wildest, wettest, most remote parts of the country: Fiordland, a million hectares of glacier-carved, forestcovered wilderness.
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I think the reason none of the much earlier discoveries "shocked the world" was because they didn't have the information disseminating power we do now. Also, "mythic" to me means more than just rumored but unsubstantiated - to me it means supernatural.
Imagine an mid 1800's layman hearing tales of the mountain gorilla. To him, it would have sounded like a monster story. Discovering it was true, probably would have rocked his personal belief system and view of the world, but the news would have filtered through the world gradually. If they discovered one of the cryptids with a rep today, tomorrow anyone with any interest in the subject would know about it and be talking about it. This goes even for people like Mattshark, whose interest seems to be endlessly, patiently correcting the idiotic postings of cut-n-paste "Foot-bots" (naming no names, don't'cha know?).
The scientific knowledge of the world today has taken the mystical aspect out of most things natural. All that's left is apemen, living dinos, and water monsters - all of which are big enough and 'sighted' enough that they would NEED magic powers to remain undiscovered. I don't believe there will ever come a day when these stories disappear completely because people want to believe these things exist. Also, the more time that goes by, the less verifiable the early reports become. Look at the Patterson film and how much debate goes on about it. If there were an internet back when the film was first shot and anybody claimed that it was impossible to create such a costume, you would have had hundreds, if not thousands of people trying to prove they could create a costume just as good, and they might have shown that it was very possible. They didn't have the internet though, so now people endlessly debate about whether such cavemen as early 19th century man could have possibly come up with such an amazing thing as an ape costume.
I think, for thinking people the only cryptid left whose chance of discovery isn't dwindling to nil is ET's. I'd like to be wrong. That would be so cool. Hell, I'd even like it if DC's dragon-gods showed up and started eating people (publicly), but the cost of exploration is the loss of mystery.
Imagine an mid 1800's layman hearing tales of the mountain gorilla. To him, it would have sounded like a monster story. Discovering it was true, probably would have rocked his personal belief system and view of the world, but the news would have filtered through the world gradually. If they discovered one of the cryptids with a rep today, tomorrow anyone with any interest in the subject would know about it and be talking about it. This goes even for people like Mattshark, whose interest seems to be endlessly, patiently correcting the idiotic postings of cut-n-paste "Foot-bots" (naming no names, don't'cha know?).
The scientific knowledge of the world today has taken the mystical aspect out of most things natural. All that's left is apemen, living dinos, and water monsters - all of which are big enough and 'sighted' enough that they would NEED magic powers to remain undiscovered. I don't believe there will ever come a day when these stories disappear completely because people want to believe these things exist. Also, the more time that goes by, the less verifiable the early reports become. Look at the Patterson film and how much debate goes on about it. If there were an internet back when the film was first shot and anybody claimed that it was impossible to create such a costume, you would have had hundreds, if not thousands of people trying to prove they could create a costume just as good, and they might have shown that it was very possible. They didn't have the internet though, so now people endlessly debate about whether such cavemen as early 19th century man could have possibly come up with such an amazing thing as an ape costume.
I think, for thinking people the only cryptid left whose chance of discovery isn't dwindling to nil is ET's. I'd like to be wrong. That would be so cool. Hell, I'd even like it if DC's dragon-gods showed up and started eating people (publicly), but the cost of exploration is the loss of mystery.
The rainbow snake was thought to be a mythical story. And that one turtle in some Japanese lake.
-Pol
-Pol
Well didn't they find a real version of the parasites from Cloverfield, if that counts?
If Bigfoot was discovered to be a real, living animal, don't you think it would become "boring" too in a few years, once the novelty wore off?
QUOTE (snuffypuffer @ Apr 29 2008, 12:32 AM)
If Bigfoot was discovered to be a real, living animal, don't you think it would become "boring" too in a few years, once the novelty wore off?
Probably to some. Others would continue to be fascinated by the creature's ability to remain cryptid for so very long. If the big guy were proven to be actual, it would be the story of the century, at least in certain fields.
QUOTE (supervike @ Feb 14 2008, 06:40 PM)
I'm not talking about finding a new deer species, or an new type of bug (while those fall into the 'cryptozoology' definition, they are still rather mundane) but a real legend brought to life?
The giant squid case, while mildly interesting, is really just a 'big' version of an existing animal.
The Mountain Gorilla is another one folks will bring up. But, we KNEW about gorillas beforehand. That was just a subspecies of Gorilla. While still fascinating, just not the 'find' it is made out to be.
The giant squid case, while mildly interesting, is really just a 'big' version of an existing animal.
The Mountain Gorilla is another one folks will bring up. But, we KNEW about gorillas beforehand. That was just a subspecies of Gorilla. While still fascinating, just not the 'find' it is made out to be.
You seem to be suffering from a bad case of "moving the goalposts." If the Loch Ness Monster waddled into Edinburgh tomorrow noon you'd likely dismiss it as "just a big reptile." <ggg>
QUOTE (psyche101 @ Mar 13 2008, 04:01 PM)
Glad you brought that up. That is a very interesting story.
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To me, this story has always been proof that at least a little colony of the turkey sized scrub Moa may live on, even, just maybe, the giant Moa.
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Apr 29 2008, 10:39 PM)
To me, this story has always been proof that at least a little colony of the turkey sized scrub Moa may live on, even, just maybe, the giant Moa.
When was the last expedition sent to find the gaint Moa?
QUOTE (The Maharaja @ Apr 30 2008, 04:49 PM)
When was the last expedition sent to find the gaint Moa?
Feburary this year, it is still in progress now. Havn't heard a word o if its been sucessful or not.
QUOTE (Undeadskeptic @ Apr 30 2008, 07:51 PM)
Feburary this year, it is still in progress now. Havn't heard a word o if its been sucessful or not.
Not much info, but here's a small blurb:
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/gilroy-attack/
Oh that zany Rex Gilroy. What mischeif will he get himself in next?
Edit: Typical Gilroy. Claims to have masses of evidence, releases very little of it and what he does release to the public is clearly not what he claims it to be.
Edit: Typical Gilroy. Claims to have masses of evidence, releases very little of it and what he does release to the public is clearly not what he claims it to be.
QUOTE (OldTimeRadio @ Apr 29 2008, 08:00 PM)
You seem to be suffering from a bad case of "moving the goalposts." If the Loch Ness Monster waddled into Edinburgh tomorrow noon you'd likely dismiss it as "just a big reptile." <ggg>
I'd personally be amazed it waddled that far!
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