MID, you've just said what most of us are thinking. Thank you.

Like I said, it's hard not to respond to Zaus. Pity that all your post will be met with is (as you say) the claim you're either too stupid to know what's really going on or that you're controlled by the Man. Still, as you say, ignorance is a state of mind, and as my dear grandmother would say "Breeding will tell."

--Jaylemurph

It's the religious zionist's zaus, you got it all wrong about the goverment and the other stuff, it is they who are fighting the brave fight against the religious virus infected and their attempted takeover.

Oh great scott, it's a zionist conspiracy now. Are you going to try to bring in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you're at it?

Thank you, frenat!
I just felt compelled to say that stuff...I am looking at this fellow and am astounded at the level of his lack of self-reliance, and his lack of realization pertaining to his personal power of choice. I am, however, thoroughly aware of the potential response, as Jayle has indicated:



I expect it...unfornuately, Jayle.
But I had to, you know. It's just too painful to see someone doing this to himself., and attempting to project it onto the rest of the folks here.


Some people don't understand that using the crutch of predicting doomsday to compensate for your own lack of self-empowerment is not the best way in the world to get a point across...

The problem here, is that you do not have an understanding of black magic, and yes, its use DOES border on the insane. We are talking about people who have already sold their souls for power through greed.
"the root of all evil is the love of money", but really its power. Anyway Tarot. When all 23 major arcana tarot cards are laid out(called the "fool's journey" the fool being the first card) they tell the tale of spiritual enlightenment, as this game was heavily based in alchemy.

The 15th(or 16th depending on whether you count from 1 or 0) major arcana is the devil, who's culmination of works is the destruction of the tower, following afterward is the star.
The devil represents carnal desires, sex, drugs, greed, vanity, all that. Not necessarily "evil" but definitely a card about lost control and primal ambition, ofcourse many people become enslaved(as shown in card) by it because it represents mostly power. This is also a representation of addiction to this power. Usually the devil in tarot is represented as pan(or Dionysius), a goat hooved man-god.

Something to note, AS planes were hitting the towers, GW bush(who attended the last few bohemian grove meetings, and worshiped a giant owl) is seen with the book "my pet goat", coincidence? hell no!
"he ate pan's and he ate panes"? c'mon! thats as obvious as p resident evil! When the tower's were hit, the secret service did not interrupt the president for 7 minutes, while "my pet goat" was being recited.
Whether you believe it or not, GW Bush could very well be Aleister Crowley's grandson. And even if not, the occult fingerprint is right there. GW snr was funding the nazi's along with the IBM counting machines the nazi's used to keep tabs on holocaust victims!
Even pan's face was seen at 911...
Pan at 911
more pan at 911
Id also like to interject that dec. 18 2002 was the release date for the movie LOTR: two towers.
Back to black magic, the Bush family, Cheney, rumsfeld, and many many more influencial people go to bohemian grove, and have ritual sex magic... r******ed as this may sound, this is what nixon had to say about the Bohemian Club
Thats right, our world leaders are homosexual's too! Sex has always been known for its power to control people. It is simply another tool, and dont you just see it EVERYWHERE??


First off, you assume this would be "impossible" because "no-one knew" when infact the reverse is true, they had 80 YEARS TO THINK OF A COVER STORY. All that was required on the backs of the bills was the shape they desired. the 5 shows the two tower's with nothing wrong. the 10 they are being hit. the 20 both are in flames, the 50 they are crumbling, and on the 100 the smoke rising from ground zero.
on the 1 dollar bill is the all-seeing eye atop a pyramid, and the american "eagle" which is an obvious falcon representing Horus... in masonry what do we find?
An actual masonic shrine Notice the falcon(representing Horus, who's festival was held on dec. 25, or the winter solstice) on top and the light emanating from the top? This is representing "knowledge".
Another masonic shrine The two tower's, Boaz and Joachim, representing mercy and severity. These tower's are replications of "solomon's temple" from the bible. Where the holiest of holies was kept behind a "veil" The holiest of holies was a cube-shaped room BTW, this is why freemason's lay the cuboid cornerstone(usually underneath a pyramid).
Masonic Lodge Here we see, a candle and table, checkered floor(from egypt, who invented the game chess)
The "trinity" of the throne chairs, complete with 12 on one side and 13 on the other. Above the central chair is a pyramid, and behind it we see Boaz and Joachim.
Back to my point, Freemasonry has played a major role in today's society(there are thousands of mason's in congress), masons just seem to "land" high paying corporate jobs or political positions with barely any effort(compared to joe blow). Boaz and Joachim(and pyramids) and major parts of alchemy and ancient egypt, through the study leonardo di vinci stumbled upon on accident.

Sacred Geometry. they were Free-Masons because they could build without mortar. Using perfect alignment's and cuts, you can build a perfectly sturdy building without ever needing mortar using sacred geometrical principles. Churches, Homes, whatever, they built it and their knowledge set them free from the rest of the world.
Sacred geometry is being used on you and you dont even know it, here is an example of what im talking about.
Alchemists lab
This is the alchemists lab, or "The First Stage of the Great Work" from Amphitheatrum Sapientiae Aeternae by Heinrich Khunrath.
The perspective here shows how this idea is incorporated into what we see today, these are sacred geometrical alignments, that allow for perspective to be changed
Another philosopher mathematician alchemist sacred geometrist Escher
Escher's rendition
Now, you see what this is. It is, if you look beyond its weirdness and see only its shape, what does it look like? It is the inversion of a pyramid. The shape you would see from inside looking up, or from outside looking down.
This shape is "the box" that o so many people try to think outside of.




You understand there is a massive elite right? And you understand that supression of knowledge is what gives them power, right? so, why wouldn't they be able to suppress knowledge RIGHT NOW.
Because the internet allow's for information to flow freely, and i dont think it will last long.


Business = power = greed = corruption. I see it so often ill just give one example. It is a fact that all too many asian countries top business enterpriser's enjoy eating fetuses from abortions... They are a delicacy cand are extremely expensive.


First off, i DONT TAKE MEDICINE, but the mass populace is being ADVERTISED TO that they need anti-depressants on TV!!! Wait a damn minute now, think about it. You are supposed to go to the doctor WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM and he prescribes you a drug to take(which is... r******ed anyway but w/e). This is a PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY with the intention of MAKING MONEY, advertising to the mass populace that they need drugs...

Black and white are an interesting topic, There are two things in the world... truth, and distortions of truth. I may not have all the truth in the world(im still studying this stuff), but a few things are concrete fact to me
911 was an inside job
our leaders, and other world leaders ARE part of an elite that DOES suppress knowledge, this has been going on for thousands of years.
These same leader's worship caananite deities and have homosexual intercourse on vacation(this alone should raise a red flag hello!!!)
Bush SNR's name in skull and bones is "magog", or the one with the most sexual experience. Dont you think that's just asking for biblical End Times?
Mass media = same manipulation as religion, just a different flavor. In the end you are trusting an authority that names "molech", a giant 40 foot owl, as their god.
Im not as insane as you are.




Like i said, it was alchemy before it was chemistry that brought us synthetic chemicals to ingest. look at the side effects... then ask yourself, why the hell would anyone need processed chemicals when in nature it is the BALANCE of many NATURAL chemicals that cause healing, not specific or mixture's of manufactured drugs!
Ofcourse, every "homeopathic" method supposedly does nothing... but yeah drugs are good for you!
Did you know there are currently thousands of pharmaceutical lobbyists in congress?
From the New York Times
"the industry knows that controlling drug costs is a subject with nearly universal popular appeal."
Why did we go to afghanistan, a country that had nothing to do with 911, a country that has no oil? Opium, plain as day... The CIA has been selling drugs into the USA already for a LOOOOOOONG time. Why not? You make the money from the drugs, and you get to punish and fine the people your selling it to!



Rofl from FOX:
"WASHINGTON — NASA officials are searching for the original videotapes from the first moon landing in 1969 in the hopes that they can use modern technology to produce sharper images of the event"
from LA TIMES
"NASA has mislaid the original recordings of the Apollo 11 moon landings, The Los Angeles Times reports.
The magnetic tapes of the recorded transmissions were stored in 700 boxes and, despite a year of searching, have failed to turn up."

they lost 700 BOXES worth of recorded video... yeah... sure. Now i know that the moon landing was faked, but for other's id like to ask, why is NASA studying the original apollo moon lander and calling back retired apollo crewmen? from here

They didnt need the tapes, they were useless because they faked it and threw it out because it is evidence agianst them!!! Also, they have no idea how to get to the moon, and are using the ploy that they are re-studying the apollo mission for time. Seriously, noone wrote that sh** down? Nope, there was nothing to write down more than a small portion of a script.

In the end, i guess ill have to say good luck trusting your obviously satan worshipping government that pumps your head full of lies and BS all day long.

I was brainwashed once by mass media, now i realize how horribly twisted the entire system is, and id like to share my message with the rest of you because i honestly think its the right thing to do.
BTW, i loved this post because it actually denoted that someone started thinking, something i find incredibly rare around the forums i visit. You are thinking for yourself now, and i have given you something to think about.
The most important thing here is that you realize WHO is lying to you constantly.
Hitler even said it...
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Let me tell YOU, its a HUGE lie stretching back thousands of years!!!

Then again heaven and hell work pretty good for christians, and i dont necessarily think its the end of the world... it think it is the end of the world as we know it, and the beginning of a New World that will suck, im just trying to help it not suck as much.

Is it any wonder that being a "new ager" is the new thing?
Consider that Novus Ordo Seclarum means "new order of the ages"
And that the "new age" has already begun, all that is left is the end of the old age by the mayan system dates 2012.
We may have 10 years, we may have 1 week... but one thing is for certain, the wheels are in motion for one world government as they have been for thousands of years.
Consider also that if every year there was a "world ending scenario" the argument could always be used that "it has never happened"
Even though it is a FACT that empire's rise and fall, and the USA is headed for both North American Union(which would be the end of the united states as we know it), and
economic disaster!
North American Union
Economic disaster USA
Right now gold sits at nearly $1000 an ounce, in roosevelt's era gold was at 35 an ounce...
Consider our national deficit is 9 trillion dollars, the french wont lend us money anymore, the federal reserve is printing money without telling how much...
and ya'know what else is funny about the federal revenue service(owned and operated by the Rockefeller's international bankers ILLEGALLY)?
look here

Now you literally are seeing faces in clouds/smoke. Seriously, GET HELP. You are not well.


Not all the tapes were video. We have copies of all the video, they were hoping that the original tapes might be clearer. Apollo is extremely heavily documented. With just a little bit of looking one can find documentation about the tiniest mundane things about each and every mission. Far moe than just a simple script. You obviously haven't studied this.

As for the rest of your tripe, you call everyone else brainwashed but you believe without question the most moronic stuff you can find on Youtube? Again, seriously, get help. You are a danger to yourself and others.

You are convinced of the status quo world view... WHICH IS BRAINWASHING!!! did you know every single cathode ray tube has a maltese cross on it? Are you AWARE to the fact that the internet is the ONLY REAL INFORMATION out there that has NOT been dabbled with by the elite, Did you know the atomic bomb, tesla's inventions, and the cathode ray tube were also all inspired by the research into the occult?
Do you realize that since the advent of television from day 1, the US government was involved in it? And has been using it ever since to control the masses.

Even in Rome they had the games... the most beautiful, luxurious, sturdy architecture you could ever imagine, used to be killing grounds of innocent people, animals, and
"ENTERTAINMENT" for the "MASSES"

Nothing has changed whatsoever from ancient times, THAT'S the funny part.

EDIT:You do not believe in the "occult" or "secret societies" or "mass media" yet your leaders(President Bush, rumsfled, MANY OTHERS) worship a giant 40 foot owl, make(HOPEFULLY) mock child-sacrifices and have homosexual relations with eachother on vacation with other powerful business and world leaders...
Believe it or not this is a FACT
it is also a FACT they would have you believe "there is no satan, or pan, or horus, or jesus" "there are no secret societies that have in the past held member's of BOTH presidential candidate's EVEN THOUGH Kerry and Bush are part of Skull & Bones."

This one gets me though, this one gets me the worst... they would have you believe that "YOU do have the right to freespeech"
Kid tazered
You DONT ANYMORE. Kerry didn't have to do a thing. As soon as that guy said "secret society" the brainwashed cops(by MASS MEDIA) took the same stance you do... they thought he was "insane" for thinking that EVEN THOUGH IT IS TRUE! and they arrested him and tazered him for... "resisting arrest" If you didnt notice that action went right against the constitution...
The mass media propaganda engine is truly the most disgusting and efficient force i have ever seen.
Religion is made to control the masses, Society and everything in it is made to control the masses.

Really though, people have died and suffered greatly to get this information out there. To expose the world government scheme... but now it seems, the elite know americans are so brainwashed they wont even get it...
Evidence that speaks for itself

Knowledge is power, and unfortunately the knowledge sits on TOP of the pyramid not anywhere else.

The irony is, somewhere, at the core of all the vast rambles about Moloch the Giant Satanic Owl and all the rest of it, there might, somewhere, be a valid point about the dumbness of the media, but it gets lost in all the white noise about secret underground bases and microchipping of the People ™, and so on, and so on.

You have no idea what I'm convinced or. You rant on about brainwashing but have you ever checked any facts on those youtube videos you love to link to? No, you just assume they are telling you the truth because they are telling you things that fit in your world view. Guess what? You're brainwashed! Get over yourself.

I think you are slightly misunderstanding the symbolism of The Tower in regards to the The Devil. The Devil does not destroy the tower. The Tower represents the sudden change that must happen in the Fool's Journey to break the obsession/addiction/greed usually represented by the devil. Again, The Devil does NOT destroy The Tower!

I'm also curious about one other thing - why and when did Molech - an ancient Ammonite god represented by a man with a calf's head - morph into an owl?

EDIT: Added my Molech question

Infact, with a micron of intelligence you would have researched these things and come to the conclusion its WORSE THAN THE VIDS ARE SHOWING.

I rather suspect that expecting straight answers out of Zaus is asking a bit much, but it seems to be Alex Jones who was the one who made the Moloch-giant owl connection...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_grov...ism_and_rituals

Are you talking to yourself here? I doubt very highly you've done any reasearch on your own. You seem to just accept whatever crap is fed to you on youtube. Here's a clue, anybody can post anything they want on youtube and they often do.

It doesn't matter though. It is not worth it to talk to you as you are clearly never going to get it. Just do me a favor and let me know where you live so I can avoid that place like the plague. I'd prefer not to get within a hundred miles of you as you are obviously a danger to yourself and others.

you cant even SPELL research, and you ASSUME i havent done my own. I DONT accept the CRAP fed to me by the mass media, id rather put my trust IN AN ACTUAL PERSON.'

Yes, anyone can post anything they want on youtube... its the only place information is actually free to be exchanged without the elite's spin.

Do you realise that the most feared enemy of the elite is a critically thinking individual? you are obviously NOT a critically thinking individual.

EDIT: fixed "without"

have you ever pondered that there might, perhaps, be a small irony here: the one who accuses others of swallowing everything that the Elite ™ tell them, is the one who appears to subscribe to every conspiracy theory under the sun?

It was, in his first video "documentary" where he admits to his British counterparts he did no actual research and then later, with his rambling, proves he doesn't know very much about any Near Eastern religion.

--Jaylemurph


edit: See what you people get for trying to engage with Zaus? Give him a virtual li'l pat on the head and then ignore him (unless you've got some weird masochism thing going...); he brings down the whole tone of UM with his uninformed rants and insults.

Oh smite me! I type fast and make tiny mistakes!! (not nearly as many as you but there you go) I don't assume anything. I KNOW you're nuts. I'm not the only one here that thinks so either. Critcal thinking? At least I can see through the crap that has obviously taken you in. You know nothing about me so don't assume you do. Again, you are a danger to yourself and others and I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks so. Get help.

there are apostrophes in "can't" and "haven't" and "don't". And also "it's" in this context.

Id just like to say im sorry for insulting all of you repeatedly...

your not dumb, or stupid, or out of touch with reality... i am, im nuts as hell... according to you.

In this day and age, knowing the truth is like being completely out of touch with anything you have ever known, because you accept that your whole life(and the lives of some billions of other innocent people) has been a lie, and that somewhere in this world truth exists freely and naturally, not under the disgusting advertising-corporatism mass manipulation of nearly the whole of american and european society.

BTW, i believe in aliens... in fact i believe that humans are r******ed to think they are the dominant species, when every ancient civilization in the WORLD has tales of "Naga" or "serpent people" or "lizard people" or "teachers from the sea". Usually they were also "gods"... Gee, the Aztecs called the spanish "gods" because they had big ships... hmmm...

Is there any theory you don't believe? In 2003 did you think the world was going to end because of Planet X and that Nancy Lieder was the prophet warning you about it? You strike me as the type that would have fallen for her tripe.

Hey now: in 1998, the world ended. My ass was raptured by J. R. "Bob" Dobbs and I ate THE HELL outta some hamburgers.
Maybe Zaus is finding his own short-term, interim saviour.

--Jaylemurph

Here’s a summary of how the “Moloch=owl” theory came into being: An article from a community newspaper called the Santa Rosa Sun was printed in July of ’93, and supposedly it reported on the Cult of Canaan and the “legend of Moloch” in place at the Bohemian Grove. I say “supposedly” because I haven’t seen anyone actually produce the article itself and it’s not available online. Anywho, a few years later a CT’er name Antony C. Sutton mentioned the article in an Oct. ‘96 newsletter, and also said “reliable reports” claim that the Boho’s performed Druidic like rituals and marched in procession while chanting to the Great Owl (Moloch).

It’s also been reported on numerous sites, including Alex Jones’, that an Aug. ’99 Sacramento Bee article written by Suzanne Bohan claimed that the Cremation of Care was a ritual “in which the club’s mascot is burned in effigy to an owl god (Moloch), symbolizing a freedom from care”. Almost all of the sites that use the quote list http://www.mt.net/~watcher/bohemiangrove.html as the source. But if you click on the link, you will notice that Ms. Bohan’s article actually says this: “…in which the club's mascot is burned in effigy, symbolizing a freedom from care”. The original article makes no mention of an owl god named Moloch. So at a certain point, some CT’er actually added the words “to an owl god (Moloch)” to Ms. Bohan’s article, and that error has been passed on to numerous CT websites and presented as fact.

So basically, the Moloch tie-in to the Bohemian Grove originated because of some article in a community newspaper and the “reliable reports” mentioned by Antony C. Sutton (reports that seem to be refuted based on Alex Jones’ infiltration of the Cremation ceremony). There is certainly no evidence of a Moloch tie-in coming from the Bohemian Club itself. And there is no historical precedent for tying Moloch to owl imagery.

NumberOneSon

Here's the crux of the situation: I *believe* in aliens too. I think it's very, very probable that somewhere else in the Universe (which is really, really BIG BTW) that there's other intelligent life. However, without solid, irrefutable evidence I don't believe said aliens have visited the Earth. Ancient mythology is not evidence. Mythology is a cultures attempt at making sense of what they saw with the limited knowledge they possessed.

You caught that too, huh? When I watched the video I had one of those "he said what?" moments. For those who haven't seen it, Jones met with Ron Jonson in a motel room the day he infiltrated the Grove and Jones told him that Jonson had probably done more research into the Bohemian Club than he had done, and that up to that point Jones' knowledge of the Bohemian Club consisted of “reading over a lot of mainstream articles, alternative (articles), talked to people, talked to some guests”. That was it. Now keep in mind that Jones infiltrated the Grove in July of 2000, and there weren't nearly as many mainstream or alternative articles about the Bohemian Club around back then as there are now.

And yea, he rambled on about how the Bohemians admit that their "devil owl" has it's roots in Babylon, but of course the Club has never made such an admission. And he also told Ronson that it was "historical" that some cultures have thrown children inside the bowls of this burning owl, but no known ancient culture has ever burned children inside owl statues. And yet Jones comes out with his "Dark Secret" video and claims he did "massive research" on the occult. What a farce.

NumberOneSon

I think it was a giant Garfield.

*glares

You're not supposed to know about that, 747. I'd be... careful.

--Jaylemurph

I know that...


Interesting...




Uh, I guess you didn't actually read what I wrote.

Let's see...




Now, you say the masses are being advertised to that they need anti-depressents. Yep, that's very true. They also have been preached to that they need a doctor to insure their health, and a dozen tests a year after age 50, and pills for erectile dysfunction, which, oddly enough, has ascended into a massive problem as the result of media hype in the past few years, when prior to inventing whoopee pills (which are, not surprizingly, used RECREATIONALLY by many young men today), it was just a rather natural, normal, and intermittent occurrance which meant nothing in almost every case. Hell, for that matter, if you're normal averaged blood pressure was 140/80, that was just fine, up until maybe a year ago, when 120/80 suddenly became the lower limit of hypertension...

Uh, why is that? You seem to know.
How many people rushed to their doctors when they heard that safe BP had now suddenly, miraculously dropped 20 mmHg? Lots. How many are now on medications because their formerly OK 135/80 is now un-safe? Lots.

More pills, more patients, more drug company perks...it's part of the deal.

But again, my comment must be:

SO WHAT?

What do you care about everyone else (well, not everyone else, but the "masses" who choose to adhere to this paradigm)? You expect perhaps that shouting this from the top of the tallest building is going to cause an instant mass enlightenment?

It doesn't work that way. Enlightenment is an individual process of understanding and growth. You choose to learn, to act, in your own best interest. You cannot choose for everyone.

I can see it too. But, as I indicated in my quote above, you then must necessarily interject this, which of course makes your preaching the sort of thing that will have certain people taking rifle shots at you as your scream it from that tall building's roof:




And thus, whatever "truths" you're trying to preach about have been clouded over by lunacy...

Complete vindication of my argument.
No offense, but you do appear to be as insane as me...in fact, moreso--which is very disturbing given the fact that you haven't lived long enough to be as insane as I am.


And then of course there's this:




Herein, you interject abject nonsense about something you obviously know NOTHING ABOUT.
Absolutely nothing...nada, zip.
This is not an Apollo hoax thread, of course, but if you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd realize that this is plain stupidity.


...of course, as I have just today realized (a realization which explains much) that you actually shouldn't know anything about Apollo, since you weren't actually old enough to think for yourself in any cognizant fashion until at least 20 years after Apollo had ended...

Additionally, you again completely validated my predictions about your response to such things, when you replied to frenat's completely valid and true reply to this tripe with you're catch all defense for your lack:



Genius. Critical thinking and rationality exemplified.



And I truly love...and have to smile at your presumptuousness.
I suppose I should be honored because I have "started" thinking and have begun to understand what you do, eh?
I should be giving thanks that you have provided me with something to think about?

Jesus.
Zaus, you are a kid of 20. I had mastered critical thinking before you were born, and realized lots of these revelations you're screaming about before you were a glint in your parent's eyes. I've started thinking eh?

I did that decades before you were a zygote, so how about canning the holier than thou messiah-ship and relax (deep breathing helps)? You're gonna make youself sick doing that.




Yea he did...and he was right.
You also understand the results of his position, don't you? You had to have learned something about this in high school, I should assume?
He attempted to do exactly what he said was necessary. But this was the pattern of a nut.
He's deader than hell because of it. He failed miserably, and thankfully.

It might be helpful to study this time in history....


Now, I have no idea why I didn't check into this earlier that today, but in realizing that, if your profile is true, which I'm sure it is, you're just a kid.
I understand alot about the content of your posts from that piece of information alone.

Being born in 1987 speaks to a great deal. You grew up in the 90's, and age where educational standards had already declined in large and disturbing degrees, and an age in which you were, without a doubt, "educated" on a computer (in other words, allowed to surf indiscriminantly and provided with plenty of time to do so). You've obviously done alot of thinking about things, and have in fact come to understand some pretty heady stuff. But you're also naive, and have spent far too much time adhering to the vast wasteland of unsubstantiated, uncritiqued, un-referenced, and througly stupid nonsense and conspiracy minded idiocy that is an unfortunate but prevalent part of the Internet.

This too-much-time surfing thing has resulted, in your case (and several others) into an impressionable, yet apparently intelligent kid being infected by the prevalent lack of critical and rational thinking which in many places dominates cyber space.

And quite frankly, considering a kid your age, it worries me. Because if your conduct in real-life is anything like your conduct here on this board, you may find yourself being forced to take some of those drugs you loathe...by the State.

Thus, I think I shall take it a bit easier on you, if I decide to respond to you at all in the future.

Wow, we got something going here. The only problem is that we are going round and round as it usually happens. Ra represents the Sun in the Evening. Ra is Osiris setting. Osiris is the morning. Trouble is, Egyptian god's are very hard to figure out. My web site The Temple of Enki shows that the Sumerian truth was stolen and twisted to fit a world wide agenda to implement control. They have suppressed the Sumerian and Egyptian systems that are so far advanced, and tried to replace it with an edited and altered story in which everything that truly makes man unique as being "evil" from a monster that wants to eat your soul.

Yes, something's going on here alright...

An effort to reach someone who's obviously a little skewed in his thought patterns is being infiltrated by yet another mode of nonsensical mythology.
I fear this thread is about to descend into the depths of complete incomprehensibility...


Like attracts like, they say...

dont look now but STS123 isnt just a normal shuttle ride all male flight crew all very hard to find back grounds ,mostly dod guys I think. want to know more,lets look deeper.

Please...

Dont look now, but...their backgrounds are all available just like every other flight crew's has been.STS-122 was an all male flight crew as well, which is actually what the majority of them are.

Nothing was hidden on that flight...save problems, which were actually almost non-existent!

STS-123 isn't just another "normal" shuttle ride...as if any of them are. It will be the longest and perhaps most involved ISS construction mission to date...

We have, on our upcoming mision, and impeccably qualified crew, as they all are, featuring:

A CIVILIAN commander.
An Air Force Colonel as Pilot.
A USN Navy Captain Mission Specialist who is also a M.S. in Aerospace Engineering and test pilot.
An Air Force Major with a PhD. in Mechanical Engineering.
A civilian with the same PhD credentials.
A Japanese Astronaut with a PhD in Astronomy.
And a veterinarian who has already served on three Shuttle missions.


So you've got 4 civilians, and three active military, with a civilian commander.
A fairly typical mix of astronauts...and rather typically civilian.

You don't have to look very deep to find the detailed backgrounds on any active astronaut. They're all available at nasa.gov on the Mission pages section for STS-123.
And by the way, if you want to see what's being "hidden", tune into NASA TV at about 9pm EST on March 10...the mission will be covered non-stop from that moment until it ends almost three weeks later, and you'll be able to watch the hidden agenda unfold live as it happens...




...we don't have any DOD Shuttle missions any more.

Im going to quote something, will you PLEASE listen to WHO said it and WHAT IT IS SAYING? PLEASE!


"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
-David Rockefeller

I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who believed that if the People have the facts, we will make the right decisions. How encouraging that he acknowledges he couldn't have advanced his agenda for global domination by bankers if the public's eye was on them- he thanks the MSM for their complicity in subverting the Constitution and the sovereignty of nations. He needs darkness to accomplish these things; he's more a vampire or a cockroach than a human being. The world will advance light years when a critical mass of awareness is reached and we lock up the bankers of the world along with the mass murderers, serial killers, child molesters and terrorists, and study them so we have the understanding needed to guard against their plotting.

The Federal Reserve Banks are privately owned; your income taxes go to pay the interest on a national debt that need not exist; the Constitution authorizes Congress to coin money, and in 1913 they treasonously outsourced it to the Federal Reserve. Wilson signed the bill and later regretted it.

It might be helpful if you didn't selectively choose an unsubstantiated, unauthenticated, and unverified quot attributed to Mr. Rockefeller that appeared in the early 1990s in a French periodical, and no where else, a periodical allegedly sympathetic to the short-lived, Nazi collaborating Vichy Government of WW2 France.

Who said it is unknown, only alleged. And that it was said by anyone at all save the writer in a French periodical is in doubt as well.

You know, MID... after you keep beating your skull against a wall long enough, you will black out. And the wall will still be there.

--Jaylemurph

...Ok, Ok, already...

Point taken. I must be out of my mind....

Here you go MID...

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ....He spoke it actually, and i cant find it online. however, david rockefellers memoirs on amazon.com shows 2 interesting things among others.
People who bought that book also bought 911 truth and september 11th, which were both "conspiracy theories".

In "Tragedy and Hope" written By Bill Clinton's professor at Georgetown, Carroll Quigley (p. 950) writes:

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Group has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, of any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it...but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known."
Now why would the "Round Table Group" want to cooperate with the communists? James Kunen, in his "Strawberry Statement: Notes of a College Revolutionary," gives one reason:

"In the evening, I went up to the U. to check out a strategy meeting. A kid was giving a report on the SDS [Students for a Democratic Society] convention. He said that ... at the convention, men from Business International Round Tables, the meeting sponsored by Business International for their client groups and heads of government, tried to buy up a few radicals. These men are the world's leading industrialists and they convene to decide how our lives are going to go. These are the guys who wrote the Alliance for Progress. They are the left wing of the ruling class. They offered to finance our demonstrations in Chicago. We were also offered ESSO (Rockefeller) money. They want us to make a lot of radical commotion so they can look more in the center as they move to the left."

Is this not the reason why most people think George Bush is conservative? Because the liberal hates Bush?

Mr. Rockefeller on p. 405 claims that the "conspiracy theorists" fail to see the "benefit of our international role over the past half century." And what benefits are these? Quigley gives the answer in his book:

"The powers of financial capitalism had a far-reaching plan, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole."

You see, they dont care for you at all, they have been controlling people as far back as their lines go, think about seriously now.
"we will not tolerate any outrageous conspiracy theories" -GW bush aka "temporary"
You are listening to your "President", who is such an idiot, the ENTIRE WORLD looks down on us as completely incompetent population. We dont learn a second language, in most other major countries the people learn 2-3.
You are putting YOUR country in the hands of this "idiot".

The signs are everywhere, Hell, the elite don't care so much they blair complete BS through the radio... from people who are trying to snap you out of your illuminati hypnosis!
From "SYSTEM OF A DOWN" the album name "STEAL THIS ALBUM!"

We fought your wars with all our hearts,
You sent us back in body parts,
You took our wills with the truth you stole,
We offer prayers for your long lost soul,
The remainder is,
An unjustifiable, egotistical, power struggle,
At the expense of the American Dream,
Of the American dream, of the American,
Of the American,
We don’t give a damn about your world, With all your global profits and all your jeweled pearls, We don’t give a damn about your world, Right now, right now, We don’t give a **** about your world,
With all your global profits, and all your jeweled pearls,
We don’t give a **** about your world,
Right now, right now.
There is no flag that is large enough,
To hide the shame of a man in cuffs,
You switched the signs then you closed our blinds,
You changed the channel then you changed our minds.
You bring about the stick, We bring about the confusion,
Bring about the solution, Bring about the fusion,
Bring about the collusion, Bring about revolution,
Bring about revolution, Bring it about,


I'm, but a little bit bit bit, show!
but a little bit bit bit, shame!
but a little bit, bit, bit
Bit! bit! bit!
I'm just the man in the back!
Just the man in the back!
Just the back!
I'm just demeaning the pack!
Just demeaning the pack!
Just demeaning the pack!


The unsettled mind is at times an ally,
Leaving the senses to fend for them selves,
The senses collect undeniable data,
About beta carotine and theta waves,
The unsettled mind is at times an ally,
Leaving the senses to fend for them selves,
Then, the senses wanted the sky,

Is there life in longing for you,
Is there life in waiting for you, waiting for you…

The National debt is at times an ally,
Leaving the people to fend for them selves,
The people collect undeniable data,
About high pulse weapons and microwaves,
The National debt is at times an ally,
Leaving the people to fend for them selves,
Then the people found out the lie,

or ofcourse "idiot nation"
We are the people... yet we do nothing... why? CMON WAKE UP WE ARE THE NATION ALLOWING THIS!
My point is, there is more to music than you think, it is a rythm therefore it sets an ambient tempo. Do you realize that when you see a good street musician/ performer, their goal is to "hypnotise" and influence you to make the decision they want you to make(I.E. get something from you)? It is no different for salesmen, drug pushers, and world governments.

They know their system works freaking great! Too great, so great they have been able to easily enslave the people and withhold knowledge... or, power if you will.

Thanks, Lil...

The blood is already streaming down that wall...I've been banging way too hard!!!!

He would be "your" President too...of course, YOU weren't old enough to have voted for or against him...in either election, so I'll cut you a little slack.

Now, he is a man who has been elected twice to the Highest Office in the land, perhaps in the world...and one who's had a hell of time dealing with the world as it is today (as well as his own peoiple, who are more skewed in their viewpoints than ever in American history).

Our President is a man who is 62 years old (and not in too bad shape for a guy of his age and his level of stress...I might add), completing his 8th year in a job that most of us couldn't handle and most certainly wouldn't want...for a day.

And you, an young impressionable kid, call him an idiot...?

Wow...that's absolutely amazing, if not somewhat repulsive...



(...bangs head against wall once again....I'm getting a callous on my forehead!)


I sometimes worry about the future of America, should a majority of people adopt these viewpoints....

Good heavens, i've found something I agree with Zaus about.

Spare me did you WATCH the debates???? Not that it matters whether i vote or not, since 2004 elections were rigged...
Letterman top ten "bush" moments
That man has a new method of creating words known as a "bushism", he will be remembered throughout history as the dumbest world leader of the most powerful country... EVER.
And he lies through his teeth...
And worships a giant owl...
and you think im crazy...
but you still trust this guy???

bush time on vacation.

EDIT: A man like this... 27% of the time on vacation, do you think he was doing anything at all?

These conspirciess are far more widespread than u think im just reading Secrets of the widows son by David A Shugarts, baiscally he is giving you a chronocle of secret societys, one of them being the freemasons. here is a little titbit i found intresting the first flag was a mason flag concealed in the astronauts clothes. the astronauts left the ship first before bringing the american flag out, there fore the mason flag was first, then they brought it home where it is in.a case on display in the house of the temple.

you've decided to undertake a large task here..
Zaus.. take advice of rebel.. ease into it..
too much too fast bewilders even the sharpest mind..

detracters, feel free to exisit as you see fit, and allow Zaus and others the same luxury, but..
when you look directly into light.. it hurts your eyes does it not?

i've noticed some things i would like to impart my 2 cents on..

MID
Maybe it might help you to realize that you are responsible for you, not any government, or any outside group
so why does said gov.org try to BECOME responsible for 99% of mine and yours life? i've said the same thing to 'murph about the color of ones carpet (you remember this don't you murph) obscure reference but if you manage to dif it up on UM search you might see what i'm getting at if you don't already.. but i know you're a clever cookie MID and you mute the ads so you already know the deal.. you just don't seem to care for the magnitude of it all.. maybe because when it comes gunning for you, you plan to use that giant brain of yours to escape or reason with it?

oh wait...

MID
The "elite", however you define that term, have no say over personal choice. You choose to conform, or you don't. Either choice takes little effort...at least in my book.
since you make it known u around in the 60's.. you will know about POW's etc/et al being *forced* to sign declarations, otherwise DO THINGS againts their will..

..now.. since Zaus and others mantain something along the lines of "we're all POW's" .. ... ... see where i'm going with this? i don't mean to be disrespectful of you, sir.. but just because we are younger than you doesn't mean we are uninformed.. you yourself will have noticed the ease at which an 8y.o can learn about the internet, web browse, plug in and play their video/DVD/what have you.. we are adept at using the tools of OUR GENERATION.. we SWIM in it rather than sink..

also
There's a lot of different people on this planet, and a lot of different levels of experiences and needs and knowledge.
and i suppose if you're from a certain background and lack the proper credentials you can always become the leader of the free world (yes, a reference to bush) and btw.. i WOULD take that job for ONE DAY gladly.. and pretty sure the great unclean masses wouldn't mind me staying on a few more days, weeks, months, years.. but i'd end up the way of kennedy and that's just no fun now is it?

I know all about wedges and track bars and tire pressures and roll bars and aerodynamics and all that mundane stuff...it's alot of fun.
so you see past the surface.. good.. then you know about the exoteric and esoteric.. no more need be said..

I couldn't wait to get on the field and just be there. Smell the grass, strive, bleed sometimes (more than I can describe), you know, barbaric galdiatorism.
exactly what Zaus said...? oh wait.. you're being sarcastic? O_o

God made beer, you know
uhh.. god made the ingrediants, man put them together.. a bit pedantic i know, but you're the one coming off as an ivory tower egghead so get it right

It's about fun...living is supposed to be FUN!
that's right.. if there's no fun in life then there's no fun in living.. so with constant stories of 'terrorists' and mobile bioweapons facilities on trucks and whatever else they cook up.. where's the fun.. in music? in cartoons? Zaus has already dropped some breadcrumbs on those.. in baseball or sports? the gladiatorial reference has already been made and struck a raw nerve with you, ie: 'bull****' you say.. but even ecclesiastes says 'there is nothing new under the sun'

You seem to be choosing to "educate" everyone, without reservation, about doom and gloom. Jesus, that's got to be frustrating..
i would imagine so, and for whatever reason Zaus does, is his cross to bare (excuse the pun) but living in a world of denial must also be frustrating at times?

personally i was right into the CT scene years ago.. but then i just thought to myself.. what's the point? i'm seeing what i'm seeing.. let others see it also.. i'm 100% happier and able to exist fine these days.. i love the life.. i love what's happening here, it's simple enough to see how the actions of yesterday affect today and so on.. the objective is to rule through fear and i'm not afraid of that.. and when the time comes and this 'personal choice' as you say must be made, i'll even put the gun to my own head and pull the trigger for them.. but.. they wouldn't let one take the quick and easy way out, much better to make one suffer for a long time first..

MID, in post #99, you actually admit to believing PARTLY many things such as drugs companies pushing drugs, religions is brainwashing, news misinforms... ... .. but you won't let yourself take that last final leap in that it is all organised under the same umbrella, for the same objective..

you say this about Zaus comment
and neglect the sole remedy for this situation that is in your posession.

Dont take headache drugs and get diahrhea, cramps, and ulcers.
Don't take diarhea drugs and get a headache, bowel pains, and cramps.
did you miss all those parts about forced immunizations etc

It's the only solution to your dilemna: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
*sigh* ..and it's been mentioned already about gov.org trying to obtain that responsibility over everyone

Genius. Critical thinking and rationality exemplified
genius = seeing what ALL OTHER SEE but thinking WHAT NO OTHERS HAVE THOUGHT

again to Zaus
Everything's black and white to you. And frankly it's all black to you
say we are friends.. i don't see that happening anytime soon hehe, but if i were to give your child a b'day present.. are you going to think good of me, or bad? ..it's black and white, isn't it?
why don't you read what i've said to you in the SALT CONSPIRACY thread.. a thing either is for the force of LOVE or NOT.. this is how a bunch of greedy self centered people with THEIR OWN AGENA becomes A CONSPIRACY. that is black and that is white. i wonder if you know the significance of those checkerboard patterns you see in masonic churches et al?



747
I muist say I admire your ingenuity in managing to fit MTV and its rampant selfish sexuality into the context of absolutely anything.
go back and see what OP said in first page.. ONE of the objectives is to keep population sexually promiscuous.. abit glib i suppose.. but it is a moot point when it has already been addressed..

the one who appears to subscribe to every conspiracy theory under the sun?
there is only 1 (one) conspiracy.. it does affect everything under the sun..

REBEL post#57


'Murph
And CS -- this /isn't/ a vaccine thread. If you want to talk about it, maybe you should start one and post there
why should he/she? the info is relevant for here, and besides, it just makes it that much easier for you to keep track of less threads in which you have to do your gov.org payed debunking work say hi to Moloch for me...
if you arent at least willing to come to the party, don't try to crash it.. constantly remarking about how Zaus and I and others are 'space cadets' and a waste of time to talk to... ... ... well, i DO notice you keep coming back to talk to us.. why is that?

but as it is responding to him just results in more angry rambling
the guys has been to hell and tries to describe the landscape there.. of course it sounds deranged.. of course it's rambling.. he's a strange desert nomad half insane by the sun.. give him some water (yes a metaphor also) and let him cool down, then listen to his story..

as my dear grandmother would say "Breeding will tell."
i dare say your grandma didn't live in a world of innoculations, genetic profiling, genetic experimentation, etc etc etc you get my point.. but i suppose this goes over your head just like the 'carpet color' discussion we (tried) to have..?

hey bro, i LOVE my grandma too a thing that unites us all.. love..

CS, put to you (and i was thinking same after reading the info he/she posted)
Have I swayed your opinion on this topic... just a little???
again.. if you aint willing to come to the party... ... ...

Zaus
what did you do when you got bored in a free-roaming video-game? Did you cheat and go around killing everyone and doing as you pleased? Those weren't real people to you, they were simulated
haha nice..
see, that's how we (us and them) differ.. when that happens to me i give my things to the players (real people) who remain, then i just quit.. if the mmo lacked content such as the one i play now, i go to their suggestion forums and suggest content.. now i can't speak for YOU, maybe you did go around on those killing spree's, just speaking for myself..

snooze
One question? Why is it that when a person tries to piece together, no matter how crazy it seems on paper, a semblance of truth, there always seems to be people awaiting vigilantly and steadfast to attempt to destroy that train of thought? It's a valid question that deserves considerable reflection.


Secondly, how come the same posters follow these threads? Is it merely to debunk?
see.. there is something in it for them, despite their constant posting of "we're banging our heads on a brick wall lol we're just so superior'

I want to ask the people that think that there is no such thing as a global conspiracy to explain why they think such.



Zaus again..
The bohemian grove members said "it was just a show... yeah"
Nixon had some things to say about the bohemians also.. from the horses own mouth (pun intended this time) you provide a link for that i think, did not click it tho' just passing thru for now..

Do you realize that since the advent of television from day 1, the US government was involved in it? And has been using it ever since to control the masses.
chomsky said similar thing about radio, how it was hoped to usher in a new age of education.. but all that happned was the advertisers and ilk got their greedy mits onto it.. and who let them? MID am i a sick man for connecting those dots?

frenat
...have you ever checked any facts on those youtube videos you love to link to?
a lot at 'tube is crap yeah.. but i've heard all this stuff before.. haven't you?

finally
go google the 'georgia guidestones' then tell me there is no secret group today with plans for the world..?

and when are you detracters going to respond to snooze?

now i'm off to make a new tin foil hat, sat on the old one when i saw a vision of mary who had a important message for me
*edit fixed typo's

Well your big shouty writing made me curious about what snooze said, so I re-read and thought I'd have a go at responding.


You (and the person posting their 'semblance of truth') are posting this on an internet discussion forum. By definition some people are going to give their opinion - positive and negative. You give the impression that people are sitting in the internet "awaiting vigilantly and steadfast" to jump on and suppress any questioning of authority. The reality is if you post something on a conspiracy forum then people who are interested in conspiracy theories will respond - and that includes people who believe, who don't believe and those undecided. You ignore all the many pro-conspiracy people who support people who post their opinions.


Again, you're missing the other side. The same pro-CT posters follow threads that anti-CT posters follow because they have the same interest, just from different viewpoints. If someone is opinionated on any subject then they are going to post on a subject. You'll find the same thing happening any of the other topics of this forum - religion, bands, politics, race, sexuality... You say "It may be utterly false. It may also be the unrequitted truth.", well why is it so wrong for someone who believes it to be utterly false to give their opinion?


This works both ways. For every conspiracy believer who makes a serious point and gets someone mindlessly posting "The government would never do that to us, stop smoking so much you hippie" you'll get someone who does not believe in the conspiracy making a serious argument who get someone mindlessly posting "Dude you are such a sheeple, watch this YouTube video and you will understand!!1!!". CTs are perfectly happy using their own patronising phrases such as 'wake up!' or indeed unit's own 'when you look directly into light.. it hurts your eyes does it not?', above.

Whilst there are a lot of people who will just pound on a CT without much knowledge of the subject, a lot of people are very much aware of the discussed conspiracy, have researched the details and came to the conclusion that the conspiracy is wrong. And there is plenty of debate going on where pro-CT and anti-CT poster are discussing the case in depth and with (relative) respect.


There are a number of problems with over-reliance on YouTube/Google videos. One is simply a time/technology issue - download speeds can be very slow for people and often people do not want do sit through some dull video for no specified reason. This is combined with the fact that this is a discussion forum, the point is that you give your views, state your case. Discuss a subject and back it up with some evidence shown on a website or video, fine, but not just blindly post a link and say 'watch this'.

People often dismiss videos because they just show stuff that has already been discussed in depth previously. Be honest - if you'd been involved with a huge, in-depth, interesting discussion on a subject and then someone started a new thread with a 'groundbreaking undeniable' video showing something you've already talked about would that not bug you?

Also the problem with videos is they are generally un-referenced, easily edited to show bias or state claims that are simply not true. Even if something was honestly created, then found out to be wrong it's still out there on the web forever for people to look at. It's ironic that some people can attack mainstream media as the home of evil lies and then link to YouTube like it's the bastion of truth. Ironic that television is brainwashing the masses, yet GoogleVideos showing edited half stories, leading inferences and sometime just incorrect 'facts' is the way of enlightenment. Don't get me wrong, videos can be very useful - a number of times I've seen new things from links I've followed, but they are not a panacea of truth in their own right. I've seen plenty of videos that are very convincing, but I've searched for the original sources or more information and found they were just complete nonsense. That's why the 'discussion' part of the discussion forum is vital.

(and one who's had a hell of time dealing with the world as it is today) Bush is not just dealing with it, he is making it the way it is today and that in my book makes him an idiot.

This might help in understanding the mentality of Bush ( The Order of Skull and Bones, once known as The Brotherhood of Death ).


Dan Dare

Ifisurvive, well said.

NumberOneSon

possibly because snooze, like Zaus, seems to be attempting to squeeze absolutely everything under the sun into one big all-purpose conspiracy theory, so that one tends to lose track of what the conspiracy actually is.

Might I ask where you got this tidbit of info?
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