Ok, so I know HEAPS of people must put this as a topic but as most of them ended up confused (I know I did) I thought I'd put one up and see if it helps

When I was a bit younger I used to just yell things out, not thinking what I was saying, and people around me became uneasy. (untactfully) I asked what they were uncomfortable about and they said that they were thinking that when I said it.
I got a bit older and we were playing a game with a spinner and I said what it would land on and got it right everytime, but I don't know how.
NOW I can't do anything. -tear
Was it premonition, am I possibly pyschic? And does that mean that I can do telekinesis.
I would really appreciate it if someone who knows about this stuff (and doesn't want to comment just for the sake of commenting) could tell me if and how I can do other mind-related (if that's what it was) things. And don't say to read about it because I've read SO many things on how to move objects, predict the future, blah blah blah and it hasn't helped.

Also, if so many people can do it (that's what people say, anyway), why doesn't anyone start up a telekinesis school and make big $$$ ? I know I'd pay to go to a school to be taught awsome stuff like that, rather than be told over the net.

Thanks

It's common for children to be more psychic than adults.

According to my own theory this is for a twofold reason:

1: As we grow older, our parents and every other older person tells us that these things are fantasies and not real and thus gets imprinted into our subcouncious so we stop ourself from being able to do what we can (though we can unblock this and get back at it).

2: We are given chemicals and other forms of stimuli by our governments /people in power that stops or slows down our spiritual powers and progress, such as vaccinations, chemicals in foods, drugs, etc (look up things like vaccinations, tons of documentary about its bad effects, look up fluouride, tons of information on its bad effects, look up aspartame, tons of information on its bad effects, etc) - they also use other methods such as brainwashing through our educational system and news and media and so on and on.

Regarding your last question, such schools DO exist. They are often called Mystery Schools, Secret Orders, and even Martial Arts and Monasteries, some names of these are OTO, Rosircrucians, Freemasonry, Theosophical Society, Qi Gong, Ninjas, Kung Fu etc (yes real ninjitsu and kungfu etc is not just about fighting and sword battles)

If you want guidance on how to develop your own abilities, feel free to search my posts as I've already written some about it, or pm me and I'll give you any help I can.

Best of luck on your path, may great success be with you!

Peace.

No. Being able to read random minds and getting the number right does not mean you can do telekinesis. It is called intuition and telepathy. You can develop them by practise. Telepathy by practising to 'read' their minds by actually trying. I'm not sure if it works. Intuition by playing at guessing the number of the dice more often. By this way you can develop it. As for telekinesis, there is a method try the method in this link. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2144522.

From what you said, you seem psychic to me. But not all psychic abilities may work for you.

If you would pay to get into a school of psychic, get ready to be fooled. Because most of those so called "schools" are people who cheat your money. And I think I can safely say that as long as the paranormal is not proven, these cheaters will get away scot free. Most of the time, its cheaper and safer to have free (and most probably true) answers on the net than pay to have people tell you a lot of nonsense (probably because they get paid they want to be paid more). Because even if I or anyone else is talking nonsense, you would not have to pay, therefore saving yourself a lot of distress.

Besides, I believe that going to school to learn your maths and science is more useful when you get older than psychic. I mean, if you like psychic, go for it but do not cut back on your studies.(I assume you are still schooling) Because in the commercial world, maths and science studies are still more important then psychic ever will be.

Darkbreed's right..Children are more psychic than adults...If you were to keep up with trying to advance your abilities and stuff...Then you prolly would still have them, I'm a teen, and I'm going to try and keep up with my stuff by trying to advance my skills....And it sounds to me like you have clairivoyance...Go to psipog.net and read the articles on clairovoyance...

EDIT: And yea, Electro is right...Those schools just cheat you, besides that would be a HORIIBLE thing to do..Start a school, even if it was legit...If someone truely wants to learn psychic abilities, then they'll learn them on their own...Like maybe TK clubs and stuff but not a school, because then this would get into the general public, and us psychics wouldn't have the upper hand, lol, jk...But what would it be like if everyone knew TK or telepathy? These abilities are only for the really determined, if you made a school, you'd prolly piss alot of ppl of too...Cause thye want a magic wand to make them psychic, they won't work at it...So they'd waste there time...psipog.net...

No, children are more guliable.

No they aren't weighed down by all the logic and they aren't pressured to comform to be what general society believes is "normal"....I have a theory, thta if you told a young child, to try and lift something with his mind, and gave him all the tips on how and stuff, he would be able to accomplish it...Because he would have never been taught that things don't move by themselves...It would be alot eaiser for his mind to do it because it isn't weighed down by logic and disbelief...Someone should try it...

Your theory is flawed as most children especially at younger ages have low attention spans and the inability to grasp various concepts like we do as we grow older. Just because kids aren't weighed down by logic doesn't mean they are super heroes.

I'm going to have to agree with darkbreed and heartagram3000, my little cousin is four and about a year ago, she could see my grandad (who is dead) and would talk to him, but he died in 2005 so she'd be too young to remember him. She'd also reel off names of past family members that i didn't even know about, later confirmed by my nanny. I doubt she'd have heard of my aunts or my dad because it's not really a topic that comes up in conversation in our family. Plus, Llewellyn isn't a name a three year old would remember.

Another piece of evidence, i was watching a video about a little boy in Scotland who could remember past memories of his grandad, and again confirmed by his mother that there's no way that he could know.

So, i suppose you were psychic, but the ability has faded as your mind has been plagued by tv, media, worries and other things.

If only adults could still do these things.

It could also explain why the idea of magick and witches were so common when there was no media and other things like that...possibly?

Best Wishes, AoM xx

Childrens minds are more fantasy prone. Thats all. Your posts have no logic. Sorry.

How about teaching our children something useful? Hmm. Maybe other languages, etc. At an early age children are like sponges, but not for xmen powers.

On the contrary, supernatural belief in adults is extremely widespread, and any suggestion that one's child is in some way 'special' tends to bring about many forms of encouragement. Children are not by any stretch dumb, and the receipt of attention is a huge payoff for anyone, and doubly so for children; children also have a strong wish to please adults - and the vast annual turnover within the psychic industry and related areas (alt med, etc.) is testament to how pleased adults will be with 'gifted' children. Any child who seems to display any sort of ability the parents and other adults around would interpret as supernatural will by and large draw attention and other forms of reinforcement, and will please the adults.


Forgetting for a moment that available vaccinations are safe and reliable forms of disease prevention; that fluoride at recommended levels has no adverse health effects and many health benefits; and that the evidence that aspartame causes health problems is extremely weak, even if these things were not so there would be no grounds for claiming that they have adverse effects on psi ability, since not only is there very little evidence for any psi ability existing, but also there is zero evidence, even theoretical, that any of these things would affect such abilities. You've leapt from unproven, potentially extremely harmful, pseudoscientific claims, to entirely baseless assertion.

And 'They' use brainwashing techniques through our educational system? Just because schools refuse to teach kids whatever unproven, paranoid ideas some alleged adults like to try to inflict on others doesn't imply brainwashing. At what level do you see this conspiracy working? Are all teachers in the pay of 'Them'? And as for the news and media, they like nothing better than a good supernatural tale to tell, or paranoid yarn to spin - it shifts units, for the same reason that some kids are encouraged to play up to their adult audience: adults buy it, with their hearts, minds and money.

Hi AoM,
Again, kids will do things which please adults and gain their attention, awe and wonderment.

I mean no offence, but it seems to me quite naïve to think that children won't pick up on overheard adult conversations, and that adults will remember everything they've talked about recently in order to be able to assert that "there's no way he could have known that!" There are many sources of information open to children relating to family matters, and the emotional investment their parents and older family members display when discussing deceased relatives will inevitable leave an impression. Some children will remember unusual names because they're unusual, so I beg to differ when you say that a three year old won't remember a name like Llewellyn. They're probably more likely to remember such names.

I don't wish to demolish cherished family beliefs - I just think that your post is a case in point relating to what I said in the previous post: children are not discouraged from displaying what adults would like to see as 'gifts'. And the situation of a young child - playing quietly while the adults talk, staying with different relatives, really wanting to play with things they're not supposed to such as family heirlooms - is almost tailor-made to allow them to pick up this sort of information.

Hi, the two thing's in common with with each described experiance, especially with shouting out what was on other people's mind's, can be construed as other's have written to you, yet if you can't do the spinner anymore, then would'nt it be logical to assume that the relationship between the two different experiance's, is that you knew where the spinner would stop, because like the first experiance, you already knew what was going to happen/what would be said.

I have experiance with those sort of experiance's myself, and have even learned how to use it for myself. Yet it is'nt something that can be taught through a class, you must learn from yourself. Only yourself can teach you, if you get hung up on belief's, and terminology, you block your own effort's.

Over the last seven or so years, i have learned much, not only to try and explain my own experiance's as a child and youth, but in the learning, know how to use it. Even as an adult. The poster who said drug's don't effect what the discussion is about, is correct. It is your mind, not your body, that let's you do this.

Don't get sidetracked by belief cult's like religion, and the other stuff, none of it will help you, except to delude and r****** your own progress in what you have discovered.

Have some fun with it, if you learn how, just know you are going to need a strong mental constitution. Even as other's may consider you insane. As far as the school's, the poster that said you would be wasting your money is correct.

My personal observation on children within the topic, is that you must not tell them it is a gift, it is, and has alway's been, their's. The only way they can learn is to realize that it come's from yourself, not an imaginary fantasy diety. The focus is yourself, as that is all that matters in the end, even if you share your love/friendship with many. It is true that if you can avoid the early christian brainwashing{programming, whatever} your childs mind can develop outside the constraint's imposed by what people believe to be intelligence{religion/intelligence being an oxy moron and uncompatable}

You want to keep their mind's free, not chain them.

think of it like this.
our brains work on bioelectric energy.
any source of electric generation puts out a distortion field at the same frequency that it is generating it at.
our brains work on a variety of frequencies. and being able to generate this electromagnetic feild, can also tune into a feild. ( like a cb radio )
what we are thinking is being braodcast all the time ( by this explainable theory which has credibility and merit )
being able to tune your brain into frequencies that are being broadcast by other people is a learnable skill.
this is all done by known feild effects that electronic engineers have used for designing audio devices ( a coil will impart a ring or other frequencies into an audio signal, just look at an old spring reverb ) i find that these effects are often dismissed for other things.
but it has been the most understandable way to explian it.

this open the idea that the brain is capable of much more then we give it credit for.

as we get older we clutter our brains with other things ( bills that need to be paid, work schedual, the last fight with the spouse ) and distract ourselves from what we may be picking up ( move it down the list of importance of what is going through our minds )

clear mind, clear body is the key to being able to explore these things.
and all of the diciplines mentioned here have these two fundamentals common to them ( exporations of the self to clear the mind of unneeded baggage, and bring the physical into tune to be able to control some of the hidden features )

distraction is our worst enemy when it comes to learning.

Free doesn't mean believing in everything.
You also don't want to fill their heads with fantasies that are not real. All a kid needs is to go spouting off about so called powers at shcool. That will make them real popular.

Thats all nice, but none of this stuff has ever been proven. Don't give me the open mind is the only way to have psychic powers. Thats an excuse. Nothing more. Its nothing more than fiction.

Not once in all my writing here at U.M. have i ever used any of the terminology's that are used to describe thing's no one actually know's about the mind, because they are limited by that terminology, which was my point.

I have alway's described them as ability's that you can only learn yourself, i find the term power offensive, in that it implies some sort of special dominance, and i certainly agree that you should'nt use terminology like that with a child who has to go to school with other kid's, who will have no frame of refference, and in their ignorence, tease or make fun of the child that can.

No, the child who can, usaully keep's it all to themselves, as they should in any hostile enviroment where any deveation from what is considered the norm, only earns ignorent scorn or worse. Which by the way, is formed from belief's. The chains i mentioned.

you could be also trying too hard to try to do this again and as a child you ay have been carefree and such if you see where im going.

Thats all nice, but none of this stuff has ever been proven. Don't give me the open mind is the only way to have psychic powers. Thats an excuse. Nothing more. Its nothing more than fiction.

to you. that is your reality, and that is fine.
not to me or the many people that have had lots of experiance in these sorts of things.
by the way i am no kid sitting in front of my computer lying about things.
i just share my experiance and what i have learned over the decades.

the funny thing is though. i have left a couple of jaws hanging open lately.
just people ( sceptics ) that needed some info on what was going on in their lives.
and if you are lucky, it may happen to you.

trying to change the masses and the way they think is a hard road.
but one person at a time is a reasonable thing.
not that i am trying to change anyones mind on things.
i just share. its up to them to change it.

Hi TEM,
Your theory, it has to be said, ostensibly has some things going for it, and is, as you say, understandable and based in reality. For instance, we know there is an electromagnetic field generated by neural activity: the electroencephalograph (EEG - that brainwave machine which turns brain activity into wiggly lines) works by detecting and measuring electrical activity happening inside the brain, from outside the brain. Indeed, consider what Wikipedia has to say about the mechanism:


Sound promising, hey? We've got synchronised oscillations, the ability to differentiate distinct levels of consciousness, even mechanisms which defy understanding! But the trouble is, such activity is just barely detectable at the surface of the scalp. Certainly no further. Also, the brain activity 'detected' by the EEG is limited to the surface of the cortex (the outermost bit), and anything deeper is undetectable. For all of our looking for externally detectable clues as to what's going on inside our thick skulls, this is the best we have, without cracking them open or artificially producing imaging fields; and it is extremely limited. Any telepathy explicable by that mechanism would require the sender and receiver touching their heads together; and then you're in headlice territory, and you don't want to be there!

There are other clues that whatever is going on when people think they're being telepathic, it's not that. For instance, even if the psi experiments and anecdotes are taken at face value (which of course they should not be, but for the sake of argument), the notion of an electromagnetic field giving and receiving information does not explain how people could do this over some distance, even (it is claimed) across the world; and why some experiments have been seemingly successful, if we don't delve too far, inside Faraday cages which would interfere with such a field. The idea would also carry with it its own awkward questions even beyond the main problem I've just described. For instance, how would our brains act as 'receivers' for this field? How, and indeed why, would this field carry information, any more than the field surrounding a microwave oven carries information about what it's cooking?

It is a reasonable suggestion, and for that I give you credit - frankly, I'd love there to be an easy answer to all of this which would please both we horrible sceptics and the believers of the world - but there's a big leap from plausibility to actuality. And, at the end of the day, if a large electromagnetic field was emanating from the brain, it would be extremely easy to detect. But it isn't. Because it's not there.

well the electromagnetic field example is an example of a posability ( with scientific backing, things we know ) but there seems to be more to it though.

EEG activity is comprised of multiple oscillations. These have a different characteristic frequencies, spatial distributions and associations with different states of brain functioning (such as awake vs. asleep). These oscillations represent synchronized activity over a network of neurons. The neuronal network underlying some of these oscillations are understood (such as the thalomocortical resonance underlying sleep spindles), while many others are not (e.g., the system that generates the posterior basic rhythm still defies understanding).

in simple english. there are things that are understood, but there are things that are still a mystery.

as for the electromagnetic field and distance. how much power do the rovers on mars carry?
from what they are able to collect from the sun, overall not a lot, but yet they can send a transmission from mars and we recieve it on earth.
by the time it gets here it is so infetesamly faint a signal, but it can still be dicerned. sound familiar.
as with information being carried on brainwaves, a simple little trick the military has been using for years. carrier waves.
high frequency waves don't travel as far or as fast ( look at the waves on a large body of water, small ripples move slower then large waves ) most types of waves act in this manner ( audio situations for example, in a cross over ( seperates frequencies for different speakers ) in a large venue, you have to set the timing of the bass behind the high frequencies ( offset ) so that averaged out over the longest distance nothing gets delayed to much ( will happen between highs and lows at a long distance, very noticable ) set so the waves reach a point in space in sync )
a carrier wave is a low frequency wave that has higher frequency distortions in it ( the high frequency being the information ) thus this higher frequency information is "carried" by the faster lower frequency.

with these two examples, and the fact that the quote from Wikipedia states that there are unknowns in what is understood about the brain.
is it still that hard to understand that it is a valid possability.
i am not saying that is a fact, never did.
just presenting a way to explain and understand in a valid argument that all the psycic phenominon may just have a logical explanation.
but are we willing to take a look at it.
that is another argument altogether.

Well, I'd like to think I showed that it's not, or at least that it's a very slim one.


I'm not saying that electromagnetic waves can't travel great distances; I'm saying that we know that the ones from the brain definitely do not. Incidentally, the Mars rovers can just about transmit to the artificial satellites we have orbiting Mars; these then use far great power, topped up constantly by solar energy, to relay the information back to Earth. In addition, the Mars rovers would not be able to communicate with a satellite with which they did not have line of sight. This is why we have satellites to beam terrestrial information around the world too: the waves won't travel through the Earth, but must be relayed around it, from sender, to several satellites which can see one another, to receiver on the other side of the planet. Brains don't have that facility either. But it's a moot point anyway, since as I said, if there was a powerful electromagnetic field emanating from people, it would have been detected by now. There have been lots of very clever people looking for exactly that, and, to repeat, it isn't there.


Again, yes, electromagnetic waves can be used to convey information over long distances. This is not in dispute. But the brain does not do so, unless you can show that it does, and explain why such an obvious and detectable phenomenon has remained undiscovered. We can speculate all we like about carrier waves and high frequency distortions, but there simply isn't a field emanating from the brain which could carry these. Again, unless you can show that there is, and that it does.


The 'unknown' part of the EEG reading described in the Wiki article concerns the specific origin of one of the contributors to one of the wiggly lines - the posterior basic rhythm. But 'unknown' does not equal 'magic'. This is probably a good example of how any gaps in knowledge are randomly posited as evidence for this and that, when in fact they are nothing of the kind. In fact, the 'unknown' in this case simply concerns some specific aspects of its origin (often impossible to tell from an EEG reading since some waves cancel others, making their points of origin obscure) and certain clinical features of the rhythm, such as its anteriorisation as part of neural changes resulting from cirrhosis of the liver.

This is not to say that we know everything there is to know about the brain; but this does not mean that we can't be fairly certain that it doesn't act like a giant radio.


Well, you didn't really make that clear in your original post when you discussed the concepts in 'factual' terms. And though, as I acknowledged, it would be a pleasant and logical theory if it were so, it's not so, and so it can't be said to be a valid argument. Unless you can demonstrate that bumbling oaves claiming to be experts have missed the blindingly obvious in this case, and you can swoop in and steal their Nobel Prize!


Absolutely! What should we look at?

Ok, thanks...