Well, I didn't really know what to call this thread so I just named it this way as it was the best I could think of, and what I assume happened.

Anyway, I just had an extraordinary and very strange conversation with my best friend.

First a little background information:

We have been friends for many years, but I moved from my old home country and I am now currently living in South America. He is planning to come join me here. In a way, I am his "teacher" or "master" or whatever you want to call it, specifically when it comes to spiritual matters. I've helped him from the point of knowing nothing about OBEs and astral projection, to the point where he can now do it by will almost daily, and communicate with spirit beings and his guardian angels and spirit guides, as well as other astral beings. It doesn't matter if you believe this or not, as he believe and experience it, and I believe he does, as I do the same myself and to me it is no longer matter about believing, it is knowing, as I know astral projection is a real thing from more than a decade of personal experiments and practice that has verified it's reality.

Ok, now to the point, as I mentioned he lives in a different country than me now, so most of our communication is online, specifically through MSN.

Today I was chatting with him, and at some point he suddenly started to talk strange and seemed confused, and as I know him very well I understood what was going on and took alittle advantage of it and "played along" pretending I was confused too and using some hypnotic suggestions and tricks (I study hypnotherapy and yes it works over msn too, not only through direct physical conversation), and this got him deeper into the state he was experiencing, and suddenly out of nowhere he changed.

When I say he changed, I mean he became a different person. Apparently it was a past life regression, or channeling actually, happening through him, as he suddenly started to talk about weird stuff and in a different way of speaking that he normally has, it was a completely different person.

And what he spoke about, what interesting, he was telling me that he was confused because of some voices he had heard, that sounded so sweet and lovely, but at the same time there were something not right with them.

He then started to talk about some "contact" he had had in the 70s (he wasn't even born then) and that his wife had been the first one to be "contacted" in 73, before him.

He went on telling me about this contact, and it turned out it had to do with aliens. He described how he and his wife had been contacted, but that he didnt tell anyone first until later when one of his friends whom he named had an strange and similar experience in his basement.

He said that this friend had been in the basement, when he suddenly noticed some "ship" flying outside the window (I'm not sure exactly if this was IN the basement or when coming back up)- and that this friend had said he suddenly was inside the ship and found himself stepping out of it.

Then he was talking about some creatures with bloodshot eyes staring at him, but then noticing another friend whom he also named, and that this made these people paralyzed and unable to move, even standing still.

A few moments later he "returned" to his normal self and apparently didn't remember anything of what he had just told me - he said that he had been "somewhere else" for a while, unable to really explain where this place, just that it was some other place of some sort that he could not explain - like zoned out.

When I told him what he had been telling me he kinda freaked out and thought I was joking with him, but I copied and pasted the things he had said and he got pretty confused and scared and wondered what was going on, and told me that he could feel "something" pulling him towards it, to somewhere else.

So, I simply asked him to just flow with it, go to where he was pulled towards, and see what would happen. After a little talking he decided to try and in a moment came back and said it was very strange and powerful, and I asked him again to just flow with it and go along and see what would happen.

He then became quiet for a short while, before suddenly very confused getting back to me, talking in english suddenly (none of us are native english speakers) which was weird - and this time he claimed to be a spirit, and a protector, and here to assist. I asked a lot of questions, and it went on to Mars and ancient times and the cosmos etc.

I asked what was his mission, he said "to get closer to God". I asked what is his name, he said "NAAL".

He then called me by name, asking if I was dead (at this point he seemed pretty confused) and I told him no I'm over here in south america and he said yes he is over in his country.

Some of the last he told, was that he has killed, and have been killed, and lived again many times, and is a "teacher on the way".

This is about the point where the conversation suddenly ended, and at the moment of writing I don't know what happened he just stopped responding but didnt go offline (just says "away" in his status now, so maybe he passed out or something)

I tried ask more but got no more replies, so I will ask him in the morning if he remembers anything. I will also try to make an english translation of the conversation we had so you can get it more in details.

But for now, this is what just happened, and I found it extremely strange and interesting at the same time and I'm very curious to hear what he's got to say about it tomorrow.

that is interesting, and extremly weird,maybe he freaked, i probably would, i would like to know what he says as well, well not everything i dont want to be overly curious and rude but still a general idea.

He could have typed anything O.o

keep a log.
he will have some intersting info for you as well as himself.
he might take a little while to get back to you.

two days so far.
anything?

Hello again sorry for bit late reply back here, I went on camping.

But yeah Im back and I've spoken to him and he basically doesn't remember anything of it so its a good thing I logged the conversation so I could show it to him.

He thought I was trying to mess with him first but then he saw his own logs, and figured out it was real but he has no answers to what happened or why.

If I get talking to him in a similar way again I'll certainly try to find out more about what he is channeling or whatever is going on.

sounds like channeling.

Huh. Assuming that you are telling the truth, I have no idea how to explain it. Skeptics, any of you want to take a crack at this?

Or maybe he is just telling you what you want to hear and your to trusting?

To rule out the possibility of mental illness he should go and see a mental health professional. It almost seems to me that he has a classic case of multiple personalities etc.

Nah he wouldn't make up things like this for me, I know him very well. He was as surprised as me, well probably even more since it had come from him.

Regarding the mental illness part: Going to a shrink telling him you channeled a past life through you would most certainly label you "mental ill" immediately , I doubt he'd want that - if it is something that becomes a problem for him it would be different but this was not any problem, quite the opposite as he and me both found it very interesting and hope it will happen again so we can try find out more information, such as full names and places of these so called channeled persons, to see if we can verify if they were real or not.

If I went to the docs and told them about all the crazy things I've experienced i'd probably be locked up in a padded cell wearing a helmet right now lol.

Spirituality and the mental health institution doesn't mix very well, not until they will realize the truth of spiritual experiences and be able to treat people with that as a possible solution and then either determine if it is a real spiritual experience or a real mental illness and then decide what to do from there, which would be either developing the spiritual aspect more or get treatment for the mental illness.

You didn't actually ask for anything in your original post, darkbreed. So, I am unsure what you want from us, your readers.

There was something about your report (and you write fine English prose; educated native speaker quality, congratulations). You did somewhat manipulate your friend,


His "state" of strange talk and apparent confusion has happened before. This time, maybe not for the first time, you helped him along a little, "took advantage" and played a few "tricks." And then you got more than you bargained for - a lot more.

So my question would be, if your relationship is such that you feel comfortable playing tricks on him, then how can you be so sure that he wouldn't play a trick on you?

I agree and since there is no way to prove that DB wasn't simply tricked or that his friend does not suffer from mental illness we have 3+ possible explanations.

1: Trickery (DB was had)

2: His friend suffers from a mental illness

3: He was talking to ghosts of the past and or recanting a previous life.

Which of the 3 is the most likely scenario?

To me, as I know my friend, 3 would be most likely. 1 is most unlikely. 2 is possible, but I have never seen any signs of mental illness, far from and quite the opposite actually, he is a very stable person and this havnt occcured while in other situations.

Eight bits:

The whole point of leading him more into the experience, was to get more out of it, and find out more. This was acceptable by him, and it wasn't really taking advantage, but rather helping along to try find out what was going on. In hypnotherapy, this is a standard procedure to help and find the source of the problem, or source of the experience.

To find out more, and do proper hypnotherapeutical work with him, I need to meet him in person again and do some regression work. He is coming in a couple months, we'll work on it then, and try find out the cause.

So, this story will most likely be continued - and it will be interesting to see where it leads.

Is he your patient, darkbreed?

He said he is his "teacher"

While igorance is a terrible affliction, and teachers do their best to remedy that, few teachers call what they do "therapeutical work."

And so I ask the person who made the statements which I have quoted. Is he your patient, darkbreed?

I think there's a more likely explanation than each of these: briefly, a sort of role fulfilment or semiconscious role play; you could also consider it to be 'talking each other into it', expanding a little on eight bits' comments.

DB has mentioned that his relationship with Friend is largely based around spiritual or paranormal endeavour; and that he has something of a 'mentor', or even 'master', role in the alliance. This creates an interesting dynamic, coupling perceived possibilities agreed between the two with social expectation and roles to which to conform:



It's hard to know, unless I've missed something, whether the MSN communication was video, voice only or text only (I gather all are possible these days). This would matter somewhat, as it would potentially affect what cues and communications are passed over the net; but more than that, in a 'text only' situation - which is my guess, given mention of logs - I'm baffled as to how someone channeling some sort of past life or being could continue to competently use a fiddly computer program. Nevertheless, my speculative commentary would be along these lines:


So, this seems simple enough: Friend appeared to become confused. There are, of course, many possible explanations for this - tiredness, substance use, distraction, stress... or perhaps he wasn't, but it only appeared so. All we know is at this stage, he seems confused. Maybe it was very late in Friend's home country, or maybe he was a little drunk.


So DB instantly made his own interpretation as to the cause of that perceived confusion, based on knowing Friend, and presumably based again on their mutually-agreed world view which is hinted at in other parts of the post. This instant decision as to "what was going on" seems to have driven what came next.


So, having 'understood' what was going on, DB proceeded to act oddly himself. He consciously played a role which he considered would have allowed Friend to develop his 'state'; it is likely at this stage that Friend's possibly transient confusion will have caused him to respond to DB's cueing maybe even more unquestioningly than he normally would. But, regardless, we have a situation in which his mentor is behaving in a manner which will elicit reciprocal behaviour from him. This is the beginning of the 'playing along' which seems to me to characterise the situation.


Hypnosis likely works through these very mechanisms: it's not about inducing a very different state in an individual, it's about relaying social role expectations and other cues via what the subject believes to be a specialist manipulation. Beginning from an already slightly confused state, this stuff will probably work a treat in a subject willing enough to consider his hypnotist 'master'. These 'hypnotic suggestions and tricks' might well lose their mystery if we simply dispense with the 'hypnotic' bit: they are 'suggestions and tricks', and they gave more information to Friend as to what he was supposed to do and experience.


Yep, he twigged. Suddenly, Friend was as sure of what was happening as DB, and acted accordingly. This is not fully conscious manipulation from Friend's point of view, this will feel more like 'realising what was happening' in the same way DB did earlier. And there he is, displaying what seems to be a different personality.

This sort of dissociative shift is quite a common phenomenon in situations where such social expectations of role and conformity are high - speaking in tongues, being 'slain in the spirit', and, yes, hypnosis and channeling, can all feel exactly like the 'real deal' when they're happening. I've done it myself, as regards channeling, and it certainly is a peculiar experience. It's unnervingly easy to give one's self over to more automatic functioning, in the right circumstances, and to dissociate one's conscious mind from one's actions, especially when those actions are out of the ordinary.

The rest of the discussion seems to me simply to be confabulation in the context of this role fulfilment - aliens, past lives and spirituality: likely those very shared preoccupations enjoyed between the two friends as a staple.

At first sight, it didn't seem as though there was very much to explain - people do act oddly, and we can probably just leave it there. But this description does seem to me to be clear and well-written enough to draw some speculative conclusions about the interesting psychological and social processes at work.

Or, the other three possibilities remain too. My twopenn'orth

Mariijuana in high doses acts as a hallucigen.

Well as said, only time can show what really happened, and hopefully it does.

To the guy who asked if he is my patient, no not until he is here and we can do hypnotherapy, that has do be done in person.

For me, as I see it at this moment, there will not be any progress or answers until at least he is here, or if he suddenly should have a similar experience again in the meanwhile that could shred some new light on it.

I think the possibilities of what could have happened has already been answered in this thread, but unfortunately none of the are provable at the moment due to lack of evidence to support either theory.

So basically the possibilities are:

1- He was playing tricks on me, or simply living into his own imagination and playing around and not counsciously playing a trick on me on purpose.

2- He has some mental illness that produced the effect, though it has never happened before and at this moment still not after

3- He had a genuine "channeling".

I'll let you know if I discover anything more about this, such as if he tells me it was a joke (something I doubt as he highly respects me and we are great friends), or if it turns out it was some mental illness that caused it (something I also doubt personally is the case as there has not been any other signs of such but it can't be ruled out) or we get to explore this more either through another spontaneously experience, or one induced through hypnosis when he is here, where we can do some regression and try find out more about it. Of course, I hope that this will lead to something verifiable such as real names and addresses and events that can be checked up and he could have no way of knowing about - making option 3 the solution, something would which be quite fascinating and interesting indeed.

Obviously I don't hope it's solution 2 but if it is I'll do what I can do get him help for that if it should turn out to be that, and if it is option 1 he certainly got me

Until then, I don't think I can find out more about what happened, but if I do I'll keep you updated.

Peace

True however you could not smoke so much it made you trip. One way this can be accomplished is by ingestion and the other is to replicate the 'baptism of fire' ritual featured in the bible.

Why Marijuana is suddenly brought into this discussion I do not know.

In any case, my friend doesn't do any drugs and he is afraid of things like pot and psychedelics etc as he tried pot once before and got paranoid, and he thinks psychedelics can damage your mind. And of course it can.

Anyway this is not a thread about what different effects of various drugs are as it has nothing to do with drugs so lets leave that there.

Peace

Ya well it doesn't work like that for me... need to know basis. Totally aware of what is coming out "like throwing up" and it gets really interesting. First time I went into a friend's house I just blurted out "You were... and I was there too". Luckily he dropped a jaw and did not commit me... we have been exploring it for a few years but... need to know basis. I don't usually get anyting I am not supposed to get or am not ready for. Guess I believe in a reason for everything. Goood luck