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Dan-Dare
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VERY LITTLE WATER is needed...
1 quart/1 Litre of water (see photo) may last for MONTHS of driving. How come? That's because this small device forces each Gallon of water to expand into gigantic proportions: 1833 Gallons of combustible gas!!!

Here's the best-kept secret the energy lords have been keeping from you about Hydrogen-On-Demand:
WHY COMPRESS HYDROGEN IN DANGEROUS HIGH-PRESSURE TANKS WHEN IT IS ALREADY "COMPRESSED" IN PLAIN WATER - AND CAN BE EASILY AND SAFELY RELEASED??!

Question.
1833 Gallons of combustible gas
Were the gas go if You boil dry that same one litre of water ?

Dan Dare
ex infernis
Impossible
Cradle of Fish
You never studied chemistry did you?
DieChecker
Your device could possibly turn water into hydrogen and oxygen, but from the looks of it, and depending on the power source, it could take days or weeks to change it all. Unless you store the H2 and O2 you are going to have to wait for several hours to get car moving and then stop every fifteen minutes to allow the fuel to build up again. It is clearly impracticle.

There is no way around using compressed fuel when dealing with H2 engines.

I liked the thread last month about compressed air powered cars.
Raptor
QUOTE (Dan-Dare @ Feb 16 2008, 12:51 PM) *
1833 Gallons of combustible gas


1800+ gallons of incredibly low density gas which serves no functional purpose. Great, thanks!
Dan-Dare
First of all it is not my device.
It can be found for sale on the overunity.com web page and this gives the functional purpose for the gas.

QUOTE (Raptor @ Feb 16 2008, 07:25 PM) *
1800+ gallons of incredibly low density gas which serves no functional purpose. Great, thanks!


My question still applies, all be it 1800+ of low density gas, were this gas go if the litre of water is just boilled dry.

Dan Dare
ex infernis
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You never studied chemistry did you?

Sorry, i mis-read the article, i though it meant turning water into Gasoline.
Raptor
QUOTE (Dan-Dare @ Feb 16 2008, 10:49 PM) *
First of all it is not my device.
It can be found for sale on the overunity.com web page and this gives the functional purpose for the gas.



My question still applies, all be it 1800+ of low density gas, were this gas go if the litre of water is just boilled dry.

Dan Dare


Sorry, your post didn't have a quote or a link so I thought you were just advertising the product.

Well the device uses electricity to split water in to hydrogen gas molecules and oxygen gas molecules. This hydrogen can be used as fuel but the problem is that energy is needed to produce it in the first place, so it can't be considered a source of energy.

To answer your question, if you just boil the water it produces water vapour, which is entire H2O molecules in gas form, so it's different to what's produced by this device. Where does it go? Just in to the air. If you have a pot of boiling water you might see your windows steam up, or if you hold something over the pot, drips of water will appear on it because the gas is cooled down and condensates.
questionmark
QUOTE (Raptor @ Feb 17 2008, 01:17 AM) *
To answer your question, if you just boil the water it produces water vapour, which is entire H2O molecules in gas form, so it's different to what's produced by this device. Where does it go? Just in to the air.


And don't smoke if you are doing this in your attic...
ships-cat
Oh dear... this old chestnut again.

It's a hoax. It doesn't work. Cue fat lady.

Meow Purr.
Torgo
Sigh... the same old electrolysis thing brought up AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN...

It doesn't work. Or rather it makes combustible gas by consuming more energy than you could *ever* get out of the combustible gas. WHY does this ALWAYS come up and WHY do people believe it?
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QUOTE (Torgo @ Feb 17 2008, 03:15 AM) *
WHY does this ALWAYS come up and WHY do people believe it?


Does Santa Claus ring a bell?

mindpurge
QUOTE (Torgo @ Feb 16 2008, 08:15 PM) *
Sigh... the same old electrolysis thing brought up AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN...

It doesn't work. Or rather it makes combustible gas by consuming more energy than you could *ever* get out of the combustible gas. WHY does this ALWAYS come up and WHY do people believe it?


Ahem.

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The Shell station uses a process known as electrolysis to produce its fuel, electric current splitting water into its basic components: two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen, the latter vented into the atmosphere.
Raptor
QUOTE (mindpurge @ Feb 21 2008, 01:09 PM) *


Perhaps that's how they produce their fuel, but it's not how they produce their energy, it has to come from somewhere else first to provide the electric current used.
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QUOTE (Raptor @ Feb 21 2008, 03:45 PM) *
Perhaps that's how they produce their fuel, but it's not how they produce their energy, it has to come from somewhere else first to provide the electric current used.


You can try to explain them that until you are blue in your face. Face it guys, the only free energy is the one you steal from your neighbor.
Akadra
Ugh... Right... The one who creates such a device will be richer then the top ten richest men on the world counted together, it is fake, for sure.

Water isn't combustible, and steam isn't cumbustible either... And if you boil water dry, the steam will just float away trough the super small holes in the roof and then all the way up in the sky: It becomes a cloud.

People as you make me feel ashame of the human race.
greggK
QUOTE (Akadra @ Feb 23 2008, 10:04 AM) *
Ugh... Right... The one who creates such a device will be richer then the top ten richest men on the world counted together, it is fake, for sure.

Water isn't combustible, and steam isn't cumbustible either... And if you boil water dry, the steam will just float away trough the super small holes in the roof and then all the way up in the sky: It becomes a cloud.

People as you make me feel ashame of the human race.


Where are you Akadra? Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen. Separate the two and you have some combustible things. That is when an open flame is present or when something sparks. But, you have to go through, probably, 8th grade; that's when I found out by a beautiful teacher.
Anyway, you're right when you say that water is not combustible, but salt is also not harmful in small amounts.
With water, separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen and you have combustible atoms; in salt, separate the Sodium and the Chlorine and you have some deadly ingredients.
Please don't feel ashamed. The human race needs you.
greggK
QUOTE (Dan-Dare @ Feb 16 2008, 06:51 AM) *
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VERY LITTLE WATER is needed...
1 quart/1 Litre of water (see photo) may last for MONTHS of driving. How come? That's because this small device forces each Gallon of water to expand into gigantic proportions: 1833 Gallons of combustible gas!!!

Here's the best-kept secret the energy lords have been keeping from you about Hydrogen-On-Demand:
WHY COMPRESS HYDROGEN IN DANGEROUS HIGH-PRESSURE TANKS WHEN IT IS ALREADY "COMPRESSED" IN PLAIN WATER - AND CAN BE EASILY AND SAFELY RELEASED??!

Question.
1833 Gallons of combustible gas
Were the gas go if You boil dry that same one litre of water ?

Dan Dare


You mean, just a little Coke bottle of water will boil down to 1833 gallons of oxygen and hydrogen gas?

I guess that could be. Just a 10 to 20 minute experiment using not much water and a battery and two wires and two empty test tubes upside down over the wires on the contacts of the battery produced the test tube full of combustible material.
Now imagine what you could do with heavy water? That is what the nuclear reactors work with!

But, heat will not change the molecule, but electricity will.
steven 17
QUOTE (Dan-Dare @ Feb 16 2008, 09:51 PM) *
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VERY LITTLE WATER is needed...
1 quart/1 Litre of water (see photo) may last for MONTHS of driving. How come? That's because this small device forces each Gallon of water to expand into gigantic proportions: 1833 Gallons of combustible gas!!!

Here's the best-kept secret the energy lords have been keeping from you about Hydrogen-On-Demand:
WHY COMPRESS HYDROGEN IN DANGEROUS HIGH-PRESSURE TANKS WHEN IT IS ALREADY "COMPRESSED" IN PLAIN WATER - AND CAN BE EASILY AND SAFELY RELEASED??!

Question.
1833 Gallons of combustible gas
Were the gas go if You boil dry that same one litre of water ?

Dan Dare
gas from water ive been experimenting with that to but water is full of minerals that develope a black sludge so i use demineralized water with bi carb sod in it to increase its conductivity so the hydroxy gas i get burns bight yellow but so fast that most of the times you need to film it then slow the replay down to see it , and it dosent burn my skin iether i use 316 grade stainlless steel bolts for the electrodes and the power supply well its the most simple ones you can get , one power supply is a flyback transformer driver circiut, and the other is a kit from dicksmiths electronics and is simple to biuld and dose ok a mini drill speed controler pwm circiut type , as for compression tank i made my own for a few dollers .
Akadra
QUOTE (greggK @ Feb 23 2008, 11:04 PM) *
Where are you Akadra? Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen. Separate the two and you have some combustible things. That is when an open flame is present or when something sparks. But, you have to go through, probably, 8th grade; that's when I found out by a beautiful teacher.
Anyway, you're right when you say that water is not combustible, but salt is also not harmful in small amounts.
With water, separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen and you have combustible atoms; in salt, separate the Sodium and the Chlorine and you have some deadly ingredients.
Please don't feel ashamed. The human race needs you.


Where are YOU, sir?

One liter of water doesn't make 1833 gallons of combustible gas, i agree that gasses can be combustible, but as i said: the person who invents THIS THING is going to be richer then ten Bill Gates and the top ten list of richest people on earth in one, that person could buy the earth he walks on. It is just impossible to get a small, pump like think from a local store and then get 1833 gallons of gas out of that thing and store it...

Btw, i don't feel ashamed.
DieChecker
If you are making hydrogen and oxygen, then they are gases, right. So what is with the 1833 gallons? You can compress gases so they are liquids and expand them up to parts per million. Is there some magic density to this device? 1833 is just an arbitrary number, the burning gas will give the same power per kilo of fuel at any density. It just takes less space to store it compressed.

Edit: The expansion and compressability of gases is indeed 8th grade science.
Lona
I think it’s just impossible.
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