samyo
Feb 26 2008, 07:10 AM
i hate harry potter its a joke
glorybebe
Feb 26 2008, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (privy_princess @ Feb 24 2008, 11:04 PM)

Well, I've read some of the books and am a fan of the movies, but I will be honest and say that I'm fairly certain there is esoteric knowledge within the story. You just have to know what to look for. For instance, the deal with magical bloodlines. Yes, there are actually families that consider themselves descendants of witches and wizards, ancient hidden knowledge and such. Also, look at the names of most of the Black family members: all astrological. And what about the viel? Read your Old Testament.
Of course any author is going to try for a little bit of actual knowledge put into a novel, even a fantasy novel.
norwood1026
Feb 26 2008, 10:41 PM
Anyone who believe that garbage is stupid plain & simple.. could you send them to be & make sure they have money!
arianna23
Mar 2 2008, 04:19 AM
QUOTE (MandM @ Feb 18 2008, 10:26 AM)

My guess is that most people on this forum have either read some of the Harry Potter books or have seen some of the Harry Potter movies, or you have children who are very much into these things.
If so, this is a YouTube video that you have GOT to see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iKfFnABBis Most people think that Harry Potter is a safe, fun, fantasy world that is great entertainment for our children, but as the film shockingly shows, that is not the case at all.
Did you know that the Harry Potter series describes witchcraft and the Occult with amazing precision and accuracy?
Did you know that the Harry Potter series is doing an amazing job of recriting our children into Occult religions?
One of the most stunning things in the film is the way that children describe the impact that Harry Potter has had on them. What the children have to say about Harry Potter will blow your mind.
Trust me, you will never look at Harry Potter the same way again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iKfFnABBis So what do you all think? After learning the things in the YouTube clip I know my outlook is different. Do the rest of you still think Harry Potter is a good thing for our society?
OMG.....are you for real? I'm surprised you didn't include The Wizard of Oz and Chronicles of Narnia in this ridiculous notion. It's okay to believe in magic when you are a child. Geez....let the kiddies have fun. The harsh reality of the world will slap them in the face soon enough.
sewinglife/chimera
Mar 2 2008, 04:30 AM
Nope, the bible is harmful to children
Rockerchick2008
Mar 3 2008, 02:21 AM
Wingardium Levoisa! darnit, didnt work!
grither
Mar 3 2008, 02:29 AM
Harry Potter isn't harmful to children and anyone who believes so is stupid. Anyone notice how the OP didn't post again? Must feel stupid lol.
glorybebe
Mar 3 2008, 02:46 AM
QUOTE (Rockerchick2008 @ Mar 2 2008, 06:21 PM)

Wingardium Levoisa! darnit, didnt work!
You're saying it all wrong....it's LeviOHsa! LMAO! How's my Hermione impression?
Mattshark
Mar 3 2008, 03:57 AM
Wonders what would happen if one cast Imperio on ones self.
darkmoonlady
Mar 3 2008, 04:26 AM
As flippin' hysterical as it is that people believe Harry Potter is an invitation to the dark side, are the ones who try to make money off it. I have seen at least two multiple volume video series put out by different evangalists on the "dangers of harry potter". The fact is they want some of that money and if they can freak their followers out enough they'll buy the videos to find out just how supposedly dangerous the books are. Funny how parents' like that just don't actually read the books. Anyone seen Jesus Camp? That woman goes OFF on harry potter, and how it says in the bible "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" etc. Scary really, I mean if these people can't separate fact from fiction...yikes...
Lt_Ripley
Mar 3 2008, 04:45 AM
what rubbish. people are paraniod and have nothing better to do.
Harry Potter a threat ?? get a life.
Rockerchick2008
Mar 3 2008, 05:29 AM
this is beautiful, this is the first time that ive seen that almost everyone agreed on something
Walter Sullivan
Mar 3 2008, 06:15 AM
QUOTE (grither @ Mar 2 2008, 06:29 PM)

Harry Potter isn't harmful to children and anyone who believes so is stupid. Anyone notice how the OP didn't post again? Must feel stupid lol.
You're not the only one. I noticed this too.
I'll bet the OP went on here expecting a bunch of Pagan-haters agreeing with him, instead he gets the opposite.
It's either that or it was a troll that posted that just to tick us off.
ravergirl
Mar 3 2008, 08:39 AM
harry potter is a story. no one is going to be reading harry potter in 50 years perfecting their "swish and flick" they will be reading Harry Potter in 50 years going wow what a good story. c'mon kids lets go to disney world
MoonPrincess
Mar 3 2008, 01:30 PM
QUOTE (Walter Sullivan @ Mar 3 2008, 01:15 AM)

You're not the only one. I noticed this too.
I'll bet the OP went on here expecting a bunch of Pagan-haters agreeing with him, instead he gets the opposite.
It's either that or it was a troll that posted that just to tick us off.
I noticed long before you two noticed. XP
There should be a warning label on UM. If you post Anti-Harry Potter, you'll get the oppsite. XD
Wookietim
Mar 11 2008, 05:58 PM
I have heard all this stuff before... The fact is, the series is more of an introduction to boarding schools and decent writing than anything else... There is absolutely nothing wrong with the series and it will stand the test of time as a very well written series of books.
Xori
Mar 12 2008, 04:57 AM
I must say that this topic somewhat ammuses me. To say that Harry Potter is trying to recruit children into Witchcraft, wicca or orther such religions is daft. As others have said I mean the books have no relation to the actual religion of Wicca. I mean an old friend of mine was a very strong believed Christian and was not allowed to watch any manga, amine like sailormoon or otherwise. But she herself is probably the biggest Harry Potter fan I know. she goes to all of the conventions, reads the books in under 6 hours the morning they're released and makes sure she's there for every premiere of the movies. The Harry Potter series is just like any other ficitional novel, its ment to stimulate the mind and if anything it opens the reader's mind to maybe take a look into other religions if they are intregued by the messages and ideas conveyed in the book. Even though the ideas in the book do not directly relate to the wiccan religion it could stimulate a reader to actually read more on the subject and become more knowledgeable on the subject and have the ability to make their own informed decision on wether or not they feel is real or not.
KyrusRose
Mar 12 2008, 05:08 AM
I LOLed til I cried... omg if only I had a flying broom! Wait.. do I remember the kids going on CHRISTMAS break at least twice... thats the only mention of any religion I remember in the books or movies. And PS... Even if its NOT promoting wicca.. what would be wrong if it was? -.- Some people have nothing better to do then twist and pervert what they don't understand.
Xori
Mar 12 2008, 03:58 PM
QUOTE (KyrusRose @ Mar 12 2008, 01:08 AM)

I LOLed til I cried... omg if only I had a flying broom! Wait.. do I remember the kids going on CHRISTMAS break at least twice... thats the only mention of any religion I remember in the books or movies. And PS... Even if its NOT promoting wicca.. what would be wrong if it was? -.- Some people have nothing better to do then twist and pervert what they don't understand.
Thank you! I agree, even if it was promoting Wicca whats so wrong with that?
jessesgirl778
Mar 13 2008, 01:25 AM
Is Harry Potter harmful to kids? Let me tell you what is harmful to children.....child predators, abusive and neglectful parents, and child killers are harmful to children. And whom ever is upset and thinks that Harry Potter is harmful to kids, needs to take their heads out of their butts and do serious reality check!!
* Wishful~Thinking *
Mar 13 2008, 11:45 PM
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Avada Kadavra!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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So who died?...
Anyone?...
lmao
sorry i couldn't resist...
BlueZone
Mar 14 2008, 01:15 AM
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Mar 2 2008, 11:45 PM)

what rubbish. people are paraniod and have nothing better to do.
Harry Potter a threat ?? get a life.
I agree. I can't think of a series of children's books that puts
more emphasis on being honest, being unselfish, taking responsibility for one's own actions, etc.
When I read these books it seems like a steady litany of "don't be mean, don't be selfish, don't be petty, be loyal to your friends, don't go along with the 'in' clique by trashing people who are already down, etc."
People who worry about Harry Potter need to get a freakin' life. It's like their understanding of spirituality is so shallow that they don't bother to examine the ethics of the characters in the series. I guess this isn't surprising considering the fact that many of the critics are people who believe everything Pat Roberts types say. There's no analysis at all.
RANT TIME...
Doesn't it ever occur to these morons that God gave them an intellect so they could analyze things critically? All these people need to hear is "I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior" and the speaker can behave as immorally as he pleases. If the leaders sin they can shift blame over to the Devil and their followers nod brainlessly... "oh yeah. The Devil, He's bad. If this guy is struggling against the Devil he's good. If he robs his churches coffers, screws every member of his congregation, no problem. He's fighting the Devil so he must be good".
Regency
Mar 15 2008, 12:40 AM
Harry Potter harmful to children? I think it's been beneficial to their learning to read and being interested to pick up a book in their spare time rather than sit in front of the TV - it can only be good and does my heart good when you see the queues of kids lining up at the book shops to buy the next book.
Wookietim
Mar 16 2008, 11:51 PM
QUOTE (jessesgirl778 @ Mar 12 2008, 09:25 PM)

Is Harry Potter harmful to kids? Let me tell you what is harmful to children.....child predators, abusive and neglectful parents, and child killers are harmful to children. And whom ever is upset and thinks that Harry Potter is harmful to kids, needs to take their heads out of their butts and do serious reality check!!
You know what else is harmful to children? Growing up never having bothered to immerse themselves in a book and only playing games and watching TV. "Harry Potter" is the best way to ensure children don't become stupid dullards when they mature!
WraithGod
Mar 17 2008, 12:08 PM
Uhm, Harry Potter has amazingly dark and morbid undertones. You'd have to either be an idiot or have never read the books not to see that. Even the first book has some chilling things not good for kids, and my ten year old brother isn't getting his hands on the fourth or up for another while. =P
That's all there is to it though... that video takes it WAAAY too far.
She-ra
Mar 17 2008, 12:16 PM
Oh good Lord, It's fiction for goodness sake. There are TON's of fiction books out there. Pleeeeeeeeeeez. That's like saying don't read Huckleberry Finn because it's too violent and full of crime.
Moro
Mar 17 2008, 01:06 PM
After reading that garbage, my children will now watch Harry Potter more.
bogcreeper
Mar 17 2008, 01:27 PM
I grew up during the initial reigns of Dungeon and Dragons. We were thought of as Satanic and I even had friends that died playing the game. Most of us that played were chrisitan and we knew that this was mythologically based. Quite a few of you on this board and readers of Harry Potter or the Lord of the rings, owe people like me. I personally as my friends did, went through hell just for the need to express our imaginations freely. I remember the first Dungeon and Dragons game that I got. It was on a floppy disk for a friends computer. It was burned with my first metallica tape in 1985. I'm still hurt!!! HARRY POTTER IS NOT THE DEVIL!!! Just one of the henchmen...
WraithGod
Mar 17 2008, 02:22 PM
Dude, I played Duke Nukem 3D without parent lock when I was 7. D&D is nothing. xD
Ebonykrow
Mar 17 2008, 03:10 PM
I read up until half of page five, and just wanted to post. (x Who cares what such and such promotes? You don't get all worked up over vodka commericals, or explicit advertisements promoting perfume. Who cares? I don't see wiccas getting upset because you let your kids read the Bible, whoop-di-do. "Oohh, but it's Christianity! They wouldn't get upset!" Oh, of course not, I forget. O:
I have plenty of Christian friends that read HP, and love it absolutely. It's a story. It's great. Who really cares if a kid waves a wand, or goes to potions class, and has an incredible dislike of Professor Snape? No one cares, because it's a book, and it's fiction.
A book would be total suck if you didn't apply realistic elements to it, so kudos to Rowling, for doing her research.
667-Neighbor of the Beast
Mar 17 2008, 06:11 PM
I think EVERYONE is in agreement that this thread is BS squared. Perhaps that mods should consider closing it, as the OP just seems to have done a drive-by-posting, and hasn't returned to defend anything.
ammy
Mar 18 2008, 04:14 AM
QUOTE (Torgo @ Feb 18 2008, 07:25 PM)

"'the harry potter books showed me that magic is real'"
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HAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAhAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lol XD I swear...some people ar just frigen gullible.Moreso than I am.
ammy
Mar 18 2008, 04:15 AM
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Feb 18 2008, 09:13 PM)

I would rather my daughter become interested in Wicca than whatever fundamentalist, judgmental religion you claim to be representing.
At least she will have friends.
Same here XD.Zing!
Nightangel1282
Mar 18 2008, 07:54 AM
I didn't even bother watching the video... why would I want to waste five minutes of my life watching something that's absolute BS?
I'm in total agreement with everyone here... Let the kids have their fun and read a good book series. It's better than having them sitting in front of TV all day.
Just my take on it.
Walter Sullivan
Mar 18 2008, 07:57 AM
QUOTE (667-Neighbor of the Beast @ Mar 17 2008, 10:11 AM)

I think EVERYONE is in agreement that this thread is BS squared. Perhaps that mods should consider closing it, as the OP just seems to have done a drive-by-posting, and hasn't returned to defend anything.
As I said, it was either
A) the OP expected Pagan-Haters to agree with him, only to get the opposite reaction.
or
B: it was a troll.
I'm starting to think it's B. Come to think of it, I remember there was another member here that posted some stupid video some time ago in both the General Discussion & Spiritualty, Religion and Beliefs boards, telling us it "will touch our hearts". I don't know what the video was, I never clicked on it, but I think it was an anti-Harry Potter video also. She also got the same reaction that happened here and never posted afterwards.
mn001
Mar 18 2008, 08:11 AM
Some people have too much time on there hands. To criticize a fictional book. Man, to think there's wars out there, crimes against children and/or other horrors out there. We've been worried about the wrong things! It’s Harry Potter, that’s the real problem! COME ON! GET A LIFE!
Sporkling
Mar 18 2008, 12:56 PM
From the video, it sounds like propaganda to getting people to become christians than to tell people that Harry Potter is bad. And even if so, I have read the entire series of Harry potter and I have no wish to become a wiccan.
samyo
Mar 24 2008, 02:09 AM
i hate harry potter with my life
only losers who need to escape reality read it i was flicking aroudn on tv and i saw this thing about harry potter and all these loser kids were on the tv
Celia543
Mar 24 2008, 02:29 AM
QUOTE (MandM @ Feb 18 2008, 10:26 AM)

...Did you know that the Harry Potter series describes witchcraft and the Occult with amazing precision and accuracy?
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So what do you all think? After learning the things in the YouTube clip I know my outlook is different. Do the rest of you still think Harry Potter is a good thing for our society?
A: Of course Harry Potter describes witchcraft. That's what the entire books about!
B: I think everyone should keep their opinions to themselves and quit acting like idiots. Who knows if Harry Potter is good for society. It's fiction for crepe's sakes!
Supernatural??
Mar 24 2008, 03:46 AM
as to the remarks made by Real children people should never rely on youtube especially or wikipedia, hell news on tv is censored and doctored etc. I mean i could do the same thing with anything, perhaps i should make my statement against Zoo's "When i go to the Zoo it makes me really excited i would love to be able to live with Lions" Andrew 10.....omg.....Zoo's are evil they promote beastiality and that is just wrong see that kid even said he like want to live with Lions which means he must want to mate with them when he gets older.
remms
Mar 24 2008, 09:43 AM
its just a kids book , people put too much on it , although chronicles of narnia made me want to be a talking lion for the first 14 years of my life ..if only that worked out .. grr
ships-cat
Mar 24 2008, 10:32 AM
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Mar 3 2008, 02:46 AM)

You're saying it all wrong....it's LeviOHsa! LMAO! How's my Hermione impression?
ROFL nice one Glorybebe.
OK... so the charge is that the HP books introduce children to the
specifics of whitchcraft and Wicca ? Well, lets take a look at that for the moment;
Have you noticed that one thing that HP does NOT do is explain the underlying mechanisms of the "magic" as practiced by HP and friends ? As you read the books, the students of Hogwarts are taught all SORTS of things (potions, herblore, charms etc etc) but at NO point is there any discussion of how the magic actually WORKS.
Even the verbal spells are an obvious mish-mash of common words, usually with a 'latin' echo.
Hence we have
Aveda Kadavra .. an echo of "Abracadabra"
Petrificus Totalis .. a semi-latin root for 'petrify', plus the word 'total'.
Wingardia Leviosa .. the word "Wing" and a hint at the word 'levitation'.
Imperious - an actuall word, meaning 'someone with an authoritarian demeanor or manner'.. and ultimately derived from the term 'Emporer' or 'ruler'.
And Harry Potters favourite: Expelliarmus, which is a clear merting of two latin roots: Expel (to banish or remove) and 'Armus' (weapons).
In the light of this, I fail to see how anyone can accuse Rowling of using 'authentic wicca spells' or 'teaching witchcraft'. Did wiccans use Latin ?
Interestingly, in both the books and the films, Hogwarts celebrates Christmas, but NOT Halloween.
Meow Purr.
Nocturnal
Mar 27 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE (ships-cat @ Mar 24 2008, 06:32 AM)

Interestingly, in both the books and the films, Hogwarts celebrates Christmas, but NOT Halloween.
Meow Purr.
Not that it matters much, but I believe Halloween is celebrated in at least the early books. Though, I also didn't think that traditionally Halloween was a very big holiday in England - it's mostly being adopted because of it's popularity in American culture.
Knight of the Twilight
Mar 27 2008, 06:03 PM
HAHAHAHA! Wow....just wow....Harry Potter harmful to children? HAHAHAHA! Its a book, a fictional book. Anyone who reads further into that is just stupid. And to anyone who does....get over it!
ammy
Mar 28 2008, 05:04 AM
They just dont have imaginations is the problem,I think there jealouse of those who actually have one X).
Blueguardian
Mar 28 2008, 06:35 AM
QUOTE (WraithGod @ Mar 17 2008, 10:08 PM)

Uhm, Harry Potter has amazingly dark and morbid undertones. You'd have to either be an idiot or have never read the books not to see that. Even the first book has some chilling things not good for kids, and my ten year old brother isn't getting his hands on the fourth or up for another while. =P
That's all there is to it though... that video takes it WAAAY too far.
A lot of things are like that, take the lion kind for example, Scar murders Moufasa (or however its spelt) and then want to kill Simba. There are a lot of dark characters in books, if you look deep enough.
Fugabutacus
Apr 5 2008, 11:34 PM
and they're saying it's bad that kids are switching to a different religion? can't that be considered prejudice?
Lady Otterwynnd
Apr 6 2008, 12:18 AM
QUOTE (Nocturnal @ Mar 27 2008, 08:44 AM)

Not that it matters much, but I believe Halloween is celebrated in at least the early books. Though, I also didn't think that traditionally Halloween was a very big holiday in England - it's mostly being adopted because of it's popularity in American culture.
Halloween was originally the Wiccan/Pagan holiday called Samhain and was considered the beginning of the new year for these people. Carving pumpkins was one of their traditions used to scare away negative spirits. However, the church didn't like Pagan religions, so they covered up this sacred holiday with All Saints Day, I believe. But, the Pagan undertones didn't go away, and the holiday was eventually transfered here to the United States when people immigrated and colonized the area. So no, Halloween is INCREDIBLY important in England and the United States for Pagans.
Lady Otterwynnd
Apr 6 2008, 12:21 AM
QUOTE (Fugabutacus @ Apr 5 2008, 04:34 PM)

and they're saying it's bad that kids are switching to a different religion? can't that be considered prejudice?
Yes it can. And considering we have the FREEDOM OF RELIGION in the US means that it's perfectly fine for children to switch to Paganism if they want to. Is Paganism even remotely similar to Harry Potter? No. Could it increase the interest in Paganism? Possibly. Is this a bad thing? No. Just because the church has steriotyped Paganism so much doesn't mean it's evil or wrong. Pagans do
NOT
worship the devil, dance around in the forest naked and have orgies, or sacrifice animals or children.
Mattshark
Apr 6 2008, 03:17 AM
QUOTE (Lady Otterwynnd @ Apr 6 2008, 01:21 AM)

Yes it can. And considering we have the FREEDOM OF RELIGION in the US means that it's perfectly fine for children to switch to Paganism if they want to. Is Paganism even remotely similar to Harry Potter? No. Could it increase the interest in Paganism? Possibly. Is this a bad thing? No. Just because the church has steriotyped Paganism so much doesn't mean it's evil or wrong. Pagans do NOT worship the devil, dance around in the forest naked and have orgies, or sacrifice animals or children.
If they did though, I would so be joining!
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