Hello, I'm only willing to awnser questions based of off christian MYSTICISM. I do have a reasonable understanding of other aspects of my religion but I'm not confident enough to awnser those questions. I need more time to study. What I do feel guided to awnser is questions on Christian mysticism. I obviosly don't know everything so if I can't awnser your question I apologize, but I do have a considerable amount of knowledge on it and will do my best. So ask away.

For the viewing audience's clarification and edification, you might want to describe what you mean by Christian Mystic. Give some examples that people can relate to.

Christian Mysticism.

I would guess that a mystic would be somebody who gains all knowledge by insight and therefore by symbols and signs.

What is the meaning of the rise of young people killing their own and then themselves?

I'm not even familiar with the term.

me either...what is a christian mystic?....like rasputin?

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Sounds much like christian/Wicca to me which I have a hard time buying into...

Okay, I looked it up on Wiki (not that I believe Wiki is the end all to information.)

I am still a little confused, honestly lol.

Is a Christian Mystic someone who's goal is to become as similar to Jesus or God as they can?

Wiki's Christian Mysticism Entry

isn't flagulation part of it ? long term fasting ? self denial ?

and if one were to gain 'visions' by it wouldn't that be like the same things some Native Americans do ?

I asked him to define because often times Quakers are considered Christian Mystics... But I was wondering what his definition was.

That's good to know of his altitude and direction, but I feel the purpose of his/her/them/those persons question was to identify those who knew what Christian Mystics were.

Now, do you think that Leonardo da Vinci painted over codes that he wrote on paper?

I'lll keep asking questions 'til I get it right!

Well to awnser your question I have to admit I'm not very familiar with the da Vinchi code.

As for other questions from other people on what is to be a mystic I would have to say that first of I AM NOT Wiccan. I do NOT practice witchcraft. Finally I do have to admit I use the word "mystic" in a different way than usual. I do not like Occultic things what so ever. So let me define some things for you.

Christian mysticism- These can be different things involving understandings (including metaphysical), as well as practices that are of god. This includes things such as laying of hands, communicating with the spirits of god, and using the power of holy energy in different ways and uses. Also I use many BUT NOT ALL of psychic abilites in what I consider to be a Godly way. I beieve our minds have gifts we can not completley understand. And I believe they are given to us by god. I believe people can use these things for good or abuse them by do things such as Tarot Cards and using dark energies.

Witchcraft-It's pretty simple. To me witchcraft is an ungodly practice. So any practice that god does not approve of I consider Witchcraft.

I hope this explains your questions well.

Any more?

I'll give a list of great Christian Mystics:

George Fox

St John of the Cross

Meister Eckhart

St Bernard

William Law

and this is just a few.

I'd say James Nayler had mystical insights however went too far and fast with it too early and landed into egotistical 'imaginings' , however he apparently repented and took the straight and narrow again. His last words seem divinely inspired.

Isaac Pennington also was quite mystical minded.

As far as things such visions and fasting. I do not fast. I think there's a possibility I should. But the problem is I have not explored the understanding of fasting. I can only learn so fast. But the Visions...Yes I do believe that having visions is a part of christian mysticism. You do not neccaserally need to fast to have vision though some say it helps.

Dont need visions either because the Spirit is purer than all reason and senses.

You are correct Brave New World you don't NEED visions. Some people get them while others don't. The fact is that they are part of christian mysticism though you can be a Christian mystic without visions.

Can I ask another question? Ummmm. . . . . How about the zodiac, are we progressing from one section of the zodiac into another? Like from whatever to Aquarius?

As far I am I aware the Zodiac is tool used for astrology when concerning to mysticism as is the subject of this matter. I consider astrology a form of witchcraft and do not wish to partake in it.

Ya know Energypath, I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by Christian Mystic. Can you be more specific? What do you do and believe that you feel defines you as a mystic.

Personally, I'm RSOF, we've pretty much always been defined as Christian Mystics for the last 300+ years. I know what my belief entails (and frankly, I think christian mystic is kind of a silly term) I'm still trying to figure out what yours entails. You mentioned a few airy details, but they didn't paint a good picture for me.

What's RSOF? And anyways I don't know how else to explain it to you. I pretty much told you alot of what I believe in that paragraph.

If telling you my denomination would help I am non denominational.

Thankyou.

It still wasn't terribly concrete enough for my literal brain I guess. I was hoping you could give more detail, that's all.

RSOF is the Religious Society of Friends aka Quaker.

Well what would you like to know my friend? Can you ask some questions that might help me understand?

Energypath will answer what he means by mystic. But MissMelsWell, when Friends are called "mystic," I had assumed that this was intended in a narrow meaning of the word.

That is, mystic refers to direct, personal spiritual experience of whatever kind (so, not necessarily "visionary"), in contrast with other organized and transmitted sources of spiritual knowledge and practice.

"In contrast" does not mean "as opposed to," since the same person might both have personal experience and also have a commitment to some received tradition.

My understanding of the Religious Society of Friends (much improved lately, since I have been reading your posts) is that it offers a path to personal spiritual experience, rooted in the canonical teachings of Jesus.

So the Friends would fairly be called Christian and mystic, in a straightforward sense.

why do christians beleive that tarot is the work of dark energies?
do mystics beleive being a medium clairvoyant is whitchy or godly?

i share your view on the human mind having capabilities which arent easy to explain. i dont beleive these (psychic) abilities are either good or bad i beleive they can be used for both (like tarot). it is up to the person which way they decide to go with there ability. just like any act it can be derived from love or it can be derived from deceit and fear.
what would christian mistics say of my view?

Well, what do you mean by Clairvoyant? It generally means seeing the future and such, but the actual definition is sensing things outside of your natural range through the senses of the mind.

So this could mean the following.

-Seeing the future
-Seeing other places
-Seeing other people
-Sensing spiritual activity
-Hearing things in other places

So basically anything like that. If I missed a couple I'm sorry, I think you get the point.

Now I can't speak for all Christian mystics because most them as far as I've seen have different views depending on who you are. So I can only tell you generalities and my own personal experience.

Tarot Cards-These are cards you use for a fashion of different things including communication to spirits and telling the future. OK,

A-God has told many people not communicate with spirits on your own terms. There are Biblical examples where spirits are called upon and BAD things happen. God does not like this. Now I do believe that god will sometimes have spirits communicate to other people on this earth. BUT, that's on Gods terms. And I do believe you can communicate back to them when this happens. But you must be EXTREMELY careful. The reason you must do it on gods terms is because this. There are many possibilities; one being that when you communicate with spirits your actually communicating to demons. This being because when you communicate demons can intercept the connection point and redirect it to them. I've seen it happen. Now this does not mean you cannot communicate withe spirits of God. The spirits of God are quite another story considering they are your spiritual guides. Now once again I've been fooled many times into believing that god is communicating with me and I'm communicating to a demon. So all I can say is while it is neccasery to communicate with the spirits of god it still needs to be done carefully.

B-As for mediums, I believe they are witches. I do not consider it righteous to go and communicate with the dead. I believe it is sinful to LOOK into the future. I believe it should be left alone and not interfered with. The future is none of our business. I do believe it is righteous to have prophecies. Prophecies are visions and tellings of things of importance sometimes involving the future. These visions and tellings are given by god and I trully believe that there is nothing wrong with them. But you only need to know what God tells you. You don't need to look yourself.

Maybe you could tell us what qualifies you to answer questions concerning Mysticism & Christianty?

I like your style EtuMalku. I always love good questions that I have to think about.

Well that is interesting question; what qualifies me to answer these questions?

Well. Let's see here. I do feel guided to do this by God. The reason being because there's always more in life to learn and this is a great way to learn about it. I will admit I am far from being an expert at Christian mysticism. But as far I know and have experienced and I know a-lot of things about it that a good percentage of people don't.

Now as for practices. I have done and do practice many forms of Christian Mysticism. If you like I will go into detail on those practices further on in our discussion.

clairvoyant is a term that means 'clear seeing'. this seeing can involve seeing spirit guides, other angels or lower energies. its basically being able to see through the wall into the next dimension. since these spirits are outside our barrier of time they can see into the future. if they choose to share that future with us they will but my opinion on that is they wouldnt help us or tell of the future if it was against gods will. i can tell the difference between higher and lower energies and the higher energies tend to only tell you what will be good for you to hear.

the higher energies are so much more powerful than the lower ones they can get rid of demons in an instant if you ask them to.

a medium is exactly that 'a medium between this world and the next'. like a telephone used to converse. this ability can be used to communicate through hearing (audibly and mentally), seeing or feeling spirits. these spirits include all the angels and/or guides and if you want lower energies. im not trying to bust your chops but i dont see how communicating with higher energies is against gods will. if god wouldnt allow that then it simply wouldnt be able to happen. this communication can be very fulfilling (beyond words) and completley help people in a positive way. i beleive everyone has the ability to perceive the next world to be able to seek help when needed from these very inquisitive beings. of corse anyone can be fooled by demons but if one asks the angels or even better the archangels to rid negative energies from their presence it will be done in an instant. being scared of communicating with demons is giving them exactly what they want, to put fear in this world. i myself dont hold back from heightening my abilities because of this seeming threat. the lower energies want us not to be able to see into the next world because this is a shortcut to spiritual enlightnment. they want us to stay ignorant to our abilities and become limited by the physical. the only way to heighten yourself is through practice and being shy of practice is only slowing down your evolution spiritually.

mediums can also be very helpful to the spirits trapped in this world because of their lack of knowledge of the afterlife. if you dont know of god then you will just be walking around this earth as spirit when you die and very confused about your existance. since you will no longer be able to communicate with people. mediums can communicate with these beings and show them how to move to the next stage of their journey.
have you ever heard a priest or person pray in tongues? doing this is being a medium allowing a spirit to talk through you. im not implying priests are witches im saying all abilities can be used for good or 'evil'

what is the mystics view on magic?

OK. So, first things first. You do not have to be a priest to pray in tongues. Second of all I believe there is a huge difference between the Holy spirit through you and letting any other spirit speak through you. This is because of the fact that the Holy spirit is part of you. He's always inside of you because of the fact that he is there to protect you from evil. By letting him speak through you allowing him to help you spiritually and mentally. Non of which any other spirit does. I believe other spirits other than god have no business being in your body.

So any as for magick. Otherwise known as Witchcraft. I believe all forms of it are wrong. If you don't know the origin of the word witchcraft means, ungodly practice.

I would list the types of witchcraft but theres so many I can't possibly think of them all. So if you have any specific types of these practices you wish to ask whether I consider witchcraft be my guest.

ive seen people pray in tongues some of them relatives, i know anyone can do it. the reason i brought that up was because these people practicing praying in tongues are allowing themselves to be a medium. they are being the communication tool between this world and the next. i think this is only a beautiful thing and praying in tongues isnt the only mediumship that can be used for good. being a medium isnt witchcraft or of darker energies unless you choose to go that route.

i see the holy spirit as gods 'army' if you will. these higher beings are all of god and all want to help us move towards a world containing complete unconditional love. i dont think the holy spirit is one being it is an infinate amount of beings all here to do work in the name of god. it is true we all have the holy spirit in us which is known as the devine spark. its a little sparkle of light situated at the centre of our being. this is the piece of god that is our consciousness. the father, the son and the holy spirit are taught as the one god in christianity this is true. we all contain a piece of god (every consciousness does) the holy spirit is gods messengers( also containing gods consciousness) and then there is god the father who is the light at the end of the tunnel experienced in near death experiences. i see all the angels, archangels, spirit guides and ascended beings of the holy spirit. there is a huge variety of these beings all waiting for us to ask for there help.

i know what you mean by spirits other than the holy spirit have no business being in your body. to me these spirits are lower energies who have been allowed to enter your body and stay there due to a negative habit, they own you (possession). this habit creates negative energy which is what they are all about. no spirit of god will enter your body un invited nor will stay around without permission. these higher beings are motivated by love to help all and any of us. they will never offer assistance that isnt of complete love.

as for the magic part. jesus walked on water which seems to be magic. he turned water into wine also. i think the same thing about magic it can be used for good or used for evil. writing it all off as witchcraft seems very limited. no offence

Drug taking is how the Early Christians did it including Christ and his followers. The modern bible only hints at this but research done by historians to prove this.

The baptism when Jesus would have received it is actually 2 parts. what baptism today is technically is only half the ritual the other half the baptism of fire allowed guys like Christ to supposedly commune with God via hallucinogenics... More specificall Cannabis extract (oil) which was smeared on the body and absorbed through the pores allowing for a considerable dose of Delta-9 THC.
There was also a now extinct species of mushroom that when cured looked similar to human flesh, many speculate that this mushroom was served up quite often in the region during this time frame as well.

Visions in almost every ancient culture and in some that still exist today used drugs ranging from Peyote, Mushrooms, DMT (toad licking), Cannabis, Iboga root, Salvia Divinorum, Datura Stramonium and many others to achieve these visions.

I specialize in the plants above although I am not familiar with DMT.

All of these played huge roles in art, religion, society and just culture in general even today they are still present.

Hallucinagenics? I've never heard of such a thing being done by Jesus Christ. I'd have to do some research on it to understand.


Now as for your claim to magick Jelly Metal as I said before magick is considered by a-lot of Christians to be an UNGODLY practice. Jesus did not use demonic power to walk on the water. He used the power of god. Therefore he did not do an Ungodly practice. I think you getting mixed up because of how you define what magick is.

You are confusing the Holy Spirit with the Holy Guardian Angel
Magick and Witchcraft are two separate things and Witchcraft does not translate to 'ungodly practice'
Yeshua (Jesus) was a magician well studied in the Mystery Schools of Egypt and India, do you believe him to be wrong and ungodly?

Well in my definition magick and witchraft are the same thing. And witchcraft ORIGINALLY meant ungodly practice. As far as Jesus studying in witchcraft I do not believe such a thing. And I have never heard of such a thing though perhaps one day I can learn about this stories. Also I believe I have a guardian angel but I believe my gaurdian angel can not enter my body. Anyways EtuMalku I've done a little research of your name and apparently it means "dark prince." If you EtuMalku are a dark prince then I do not even wish to fathom the ideas of your opinion. For everyone knows in true darkness lies disceet, evil, and demonic activity.

If you want to learn more you should look into my friend Chris Bennett's work which can be viewed here Forbidden Fruit Publishing

Darkness is merely the absence of Light
And we all know who brought the Light?

Jesus was no magician. and withcraft is ungodly.

I would have to disagree EtuMalku. You are trying to compare science to spirituality. I believe God is the light for without him there would be nothing.

energypath

it was mentioned in my previous post but what do mystics put jesus walking on water and turning water into wine down to? it musnt be able to be viewed as magic.

Well me myself, put that under some of the following

The power of God
Christian Mysticism


This could also be defined as Supernatural.

here is a ? and it is not long rather short sort a speak if jesus is placed on the right side of God our father then whome is on the left side of God our father

all must be placed in their place.

WICCA includes rituidic witchcraft, OR BASICALLY RITUALS, which are not anti-Christ, by the way. THANK YOU.

Can you describe any experiences or outcomes you've had (if you think it's too personal, I'd understand). Also, could you explain the process you go through to get visions and what you mean by trying to use divine energy in objects?

Untrue. Int he beginning, there were Druids, and Druids practiced witchcraft. It was only turned into a negative practice when other religions discovered the rituals and in their ignorance and superstitious minds they just kind of gave it a kick -_-.

There is no 'good' or 'bad' magic. What makes the magic positive or negative is the intent of the practitioner.
Science and Spirituality is called Metaphysics and that is what I am talking about.
God is not the Light as the name Lucifer translates to 'light-bringer'
Before there was God there was the Primordial Vibration, before that then there was nothing.
Christian Mysticism? Semantics, a more 'Christian' word for magic
Witchcraft means simply the Craft of the Witch, it does not translate to anything ungodly
A witch is a practitioner of La Vecchia Religione or Stregheria
It is only after the onset of Christianity and it's hatred of female based Pagan religions has Witchcraft become synonymous with 'Evil' and Satan and other Abrahamic based myths.

Once again I will tell you. It means ungodly practice. The Christians of the time were the one's who labeled the Druids witches. And thus they created the word witchcraft.
As for the rituidic rituals; all i have to say is that if it has the label "witchcraft" as far I am and many Christians I know it is considered an ungodly practice.
Now as for how I get my visions. Generally they come to me out of the blue. Sometimes when I'm listening to certain Christian music it happens. I tend to see things in what I call parallel vision. Where I see what's in front of me as well what's in my mind at the same time. Though sometimes I will only see in my mind. It all depends.
Now as far using Holy energy in objects. I do not recall ever typing anything about that. So could you possibly quote me on that? Anyways as far as that goes I believe that you can bless and charge items with the Holy Spirit under god's will.
Finally as far personal experiences go I do not feel that I am I able to reveal that information.

Well EtuMalku this will my last discussion with you on this topic. This being because we seem to be getting nowhere. It's obvious to me that our definitions of things do not match and that it the argument simply seems to bounce back and, forth back and forth between us. So therefore this is argument comes off to be rather pointless. It was very nice to discuss with you EtuMalku and I hope you learned something from this discussion as have I. Good luck in your travels.

Discussing the topic is of main concern and the top priority, I apologize if I have been adamant with my view on things, I am only trying to shed light on it.