Source: http://dark-truth.blogspot.com/2007/04/201...y-research.html

There are many scientific facts that will happen in 2012. Such as those allready mentioned here about sunspots etc. And a very peculiar alignment of the planets and something about the constellations I can't remember in details now, the pole shift on the sun etc. That aside, I've discovered on my own another interesting fact. The mayan have a 5200 year cycle, which will reach the end at 2012. These cycles always signify something of great importance, major changes. I discoverd that around 5200 years ago there was a great disaster on earth, a minor ice age and so on. Is that just coincidence, or did the mayans actually know this and know that it will happen something major again in the end of the next cycle which is 2012?

For an article about what happend 5200 years ago in a scientifical paper completely unrelated to the mayans and 2012 myth, check this article:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/5200event.htm

And in this article the scientists say that we are close to another change like that which happened 5200 years ago... Again it matches perfectly with the mayan prophecies. So, we should take the knowledge of the mayans quite serious in my opinion. they knew what they were doing and thats a fact.

Also remember the great floods, past ice ages etc, that fits well with the mayans cycles. Look them up, they have various cycles of diffeent importance, going through many thousands of years. Actually they have cycles going millions of year back.

We just need to look at the current state of the world to see something is cooking (literally) - global warming, ice caps melting (which can cause floods etc), war, terror and instability, increase of natural disasters, magnetic poles of earth shifting and so on.

Som other links from NASA on stuff that will happen in space at 2012:
Venus transit -
Solar Storm , with solar max at 2012 -
2012 space mission -
Possibe Pole shift in 2012
Total solar eclipse 2012
Nasas own short articles on the aztecs/mayas, stonehenge, and other ancient mysteries

Other things:
Asteroid Eros will enter closer to earth than ever before 2012
Winter Solstice occurs exactly 21. December 2012 at 11:11 UT.
Galactic alignment

Big scientific list of other celestial events at 2012

There's lots more too but Im too lazy to look up all the references now.

Peace! (May be something to the Planet X thing too as well as the binary star system theory which is quite interesting - watch the documentary The Great Year here

If you liked this info please feel free to spread it to friends and digg it at http://digg.com/environment/2012_and_scien...hat_will_happen so more people can know.

Cheers

I can't believe people are taken in by this. All that will happen in 2012 will be a few nice shows for astronomers.

There will be no planet-wide disaster or war.

This^^

I still say watch the North Atlantic current though. If too much fresh water (glaciers and icebergs) are dumped into the ocean's current then the North Atlantic will become unstable and will shut its self down. The last time this happened there were weird natural events occuring all over the world. Places that had never seen snow or anything started to receive it and then there were severe droughts everywhere as well. This occured about 10,000 years ago though...maybe we're over due for another ice age...or are we already headed in that direction and just don't see it or don't believe that it can happen to us since we're supposedly so more superior and advanced than any other human race that ever exisited? Going to be interesting to find out.

whats going to happen on 2013 or 2011? I'm pretty sure they'll be just as many cool events that will happen on those years than on 2012. And I'm sorry, but if Myians knew what was going to happen, why didn't they kick spain out or at least be ready for them when they arrived. I have a policy not to take advice from people living in hovels.

that's a good point there. I'll stick to science though whether than superstitious beliefs. By the way, nice quote there "I came here to kick ass and chew bubblegum....and I'm all out of bubblegum" That's pretty sweet, haha. "Ain't nothing over til it's over"

Brilliant. A babbling list of completely non-related events that might or might not be happening around 2012, some good, some bad, some nothing to do with anything. And your point? You don't even seem to have one. Just that something might be happening, because lots of other things are at the same time, as if nothing ever happens usually.



Right, for once and for all - there has never been any academic source stating that the end of the mayan calendar predicted the end of the world. EVER.

Sandra Noble, executive director of the Foundation for the Advancement of Mesoamerican Studies said in USA Today:

"For the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle. (To render Dec. 21, 2012, as a doomsday is) "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."

Quoted in USA Today, Wednesday, March 28, 2007, p. 11D

And as for sunspots and a galactic alignment that you can't seem to remember anything about, its all utter bunk. The fact that you can't even remember anything about the alignment, let alone reference it, is proof that all you're doing is listing unrelated crap. Pure and simple.



There is nothing in the mayan calendar that mentions this magic number of 5200 years. The Mayans measured time in days. A "B'ak'tun" is 144,000 days, which means this climate change took place a magical... er.... 13.18 B'ak'tuns ago. Wow, the way the numbers don't add up is staggering.

The closest they had to a year was a "Tun", which was 360 days. They were so advanced that they could predict the future yet couldn't measure a year properly?

Riiight.



No it really really doesn't. You using everything on this magical number of 5200 which is, as far as I can tell, non-existant.



Again, probably based on non-existant dates.



I can't stand this "current state of the world" statements. Politcally, economically, and socially the world is in a far better of place than we ever have been. The standard of living, on average, is the highest its ever been in history. Yes, we have povety and war, we always have done. If you think the world is in a bad way now and the past was all chocolate and roses, you have some serious growing up to do.

And global warming has nothing to do with anything. You might as well add the Olympics to the list of 2012 disasters.

Oh look, another list of unrelated things that have nothing to do with anything:



The Transit of Venus is in June 2012. I though the Mayan calendar ended on the 20 december?

By the way, the last transit was in 2004. Everyone remember the huge natural disasters that happened then? No? That's because the Transit of Venus has nothing to do with anything.



A solar max is coming in 2010-2012. Thats hardly accurate either, and I don't see how the northern lights can end the world. Oh, hang on, its within a few years of the transit of Venus, so that makes sense. Not.



NASA put something into space at least once a year. Again. What are you trying to prove. Simply listing stuff is pointless.



The sun's poles shift every 15 years or so. It has no effect on us here. It happened in 2001. The lack of any apocalyptic disaster was probably due to the fact that venus didn't make a transit or there was no solar max that year, as obviously you think these things all have to add up somehow.

Which, FYI, they don't.



Dead link.



Yep. Ancient civilisations worshipped the sun.

So, whats your point.

Its from They Live, one of the 80s finest, funniest and silliest sci fi films.

"There are many scientific facts that will happen in 2012."

that about sums it up eh?

I agree with Emma, a lot of BS and events that regularly happen that coincidentally occur around 2012... IMO

I actually thought it was from Duke Nukem 3D

Maybe one stole from t'other!

hmm, I'll have to check that movie out. I think I've seen it before though. Isn't Rowdy Roddy Piper in it? And by the way They Live came out way before Duke Nukem 3D so I'm sure that Duke Nukem stole the line. I'm a serious gamer and I know about the gaming world pretty well, haha. Although even with all these new games out you still can't beat Pac Man, Sonic, Super Mario, Metroid, Donkey Kong, and all the other original games out there.

That game stole a lot from other properties including lines from the Evil Dead films...

This aside 2012 will be like every other year and if people thousands of years ago were so good at predicting the end they would have predicted the end of their world (fall of civilization) and they didn't.

This thread totally belongs else ware as it has no real scientific value in the least.

A Brief History of Apocalypse

I'm 100% certain that 2012 will see many people dying, cars crashing, volcanos erupting, hurricanes and snow storms, droughts, plagues of locusts, meteorites falling from the sky, and some really bad TV shows.

In fact, exactly the same as happens every year ......

Exactly!!!

Besides, it will be primary time again....

John Carpenter at his best!

you win a cookie!

Actually I think Escape From New York, The Thing, The Fog, Big Trouble and Prince Of Darkness are JC at his best, but there you go, there's no accounting for taste.

*accepts cookie anyway*

Couldn't resist to add my little bit on a genius & legend ahead of his time, JC the undisputed Master Of Macabre.

thats it thats all.

Oh I love big T in little C! WOOT me and my brother probably watched that at least 100 times growing up.

Hmm still gotta give it to HPlovecraft(great works of literature) or Wes Craven. And the truely WTF of Rob Zombie's movies.

The Mayans weren't even aroung at that time some 5200 years ago. So how in the world would they know what happened then.

Good point.

Great popcorn movies, I just love 'Escape'!

You fools.... can't you see the plain truth in front of you ?

Laugh and sneer ye skeptics and atheists, but it is WRITTEN that 2012 will see a calamaty come upon the earth, with thousands weeping in the streets.

It's the London Olympics !!!!!!

Nooooooo.... fleee...... head for the hills....

Meow Purr.

Kurt Russel, Isaac Hayes and Donald Pleasance... can't go wrong really!

I think 2012 simply marks the end of a Mayan calendar cycle , they just didn't bother to continue because obviously they could not make it infinite without having to stop somewhere.
Because of that, people take it way to seriously. The pole shift that is believed to happen around that time won't even be noticed, it has happened several times before.

Why do you skeptos have to be so hard on people, you come in give replies, accusing people of talking rubbish, you discredit their posts, often with very little evidence yourselves, for you own point of view, and then you always continue to derail thread and the topics.......And why is it always the usual suspects.

isn't lonnie thompson a well recognised expert in his field, who is suggesting that a great climate change occured roughly over 5000 yrs ago, and we seem to be heading that way, seem quite plausible, and credible.

We better bulid the A and B ark and put all the brilliant people on the B ark and send the A ark off first with all the Lawers and pollitians, then all of the ceative artist and great minds can get back off the B ark and go about our lifes in peace! thanks Douglas Adams ,for all the Fish DONTEATUS

If Earth magnetic poles shifted, or even collapsed, then our ionisphere would sheild us.

they either 1) have nothing better to do OR 2) get off on what they perceive as making others feel stupid. actually, i dont care what any of these 'people' think. and noone else should either. they are entitled to their opinion, but that certainly does NOT mean we have to agree, or even listen for that matter. maybe i would listen if they were nicer about it, but no. they have to climb WAY up on their pedestals, look down on us, then spit. they dont realize that they can make their point more effective if they were nice. evidently common sense concerning tact and conversation is totally lost on them. i wonder what kind of family they had....?

I knew that the mayans had the most precise calander and such but I did not look much at their 2012 prophecy until I was reading up on Nostrodamus and read that he had the same calculations. That really messed up my head man! I still do not give it much chance, but on the other hand these guys were on their game. Who am I to say it will not happen. All things are possible, so enjoy life while you can!!!

Like all else in life,there comes time for changes either expected or unexpected,always enjoy the days you have ......The Mayans new something but who know's how exact ........2012 has lots on the go so we'll have to wait and see......rest assured that if anything causes our Atlantic current to become unstable or stop all together then that will not be good that is for sure............

Is that suppossed to say Hotels?..... Rascist

Maybe that's when they thought the Spaniards were going to arrive?




Probably due to the large number of 2012 threads that keep appearing. Why start a new thread when there are 10s of other ones to add comment to?




Judging by your picture you were too young to remember all these end of world scenarios for turning to the year 2000?

Once 2012 has been and gone, the 2036 (is that right?) end of world stories will arrive, and more peace loving hippies will whine about the end of the world scenarios being disproved and saying they believe their own opinion.




Why could Nostradamus not have read about the Mayan culture? I assume there were records in his time, or at least something to relate to, and then copied their theores off as his own?

There are plenty of people with a belief based on the Mayan calender. What are the chances of that?!?!?! Now your head must be even more messed up. Not one, but lots of people agreeing!!!




Why is living in a hovel racist?

Your belief that only non-whites live in hovels is more racist. Who's to say that my comment using non-whites as opposed to minorities is racist? Why are we suddenly politically correct to an extreme that you can't do anything?

Perhaps if people in hovels had an actual point that would improve the world, then they would not be in a hovel. -shrugs- off topic anyway.

the Maya believed that by their calendar the universe.... not just the world, but the universe.... was created on 13th August 3114 BC. that discredits all the scientists that have dated fossils, Egyptian dynastys, hell even COAL and GRANITE since dating began.
Are they wrong and you right, or is a non-usual-suspect also deluded ?

Min x

All you people need to understand one thing about 12/21/2012. On that day the world as we know it will either end or it won't. It's a 50/50 chance.

Wow,you sound pretty sure , I guess we'll see ,Every once in awhile some one picks a date ,and calls it the end of the world ,and as the date approaches some believe some don't.....I'm not saying nothing will happen but end of the world seems a litte extreme............

If there was one thing that ancient man would have passed on to the first civilizations it would be their tracking of the weather. Educating about weather is as old as hunting, making fire, and putting together a shelter. It was a survival tool of necessity.

All of the ancient calendars were designed to track the weather. It would be strange to think that for some reason the Mayan calendar was somehow very different from other ancient calendars in this aspect. It is obvious that their calendar tracks a weather cycle passed on to them from their ancestors and this can span thousands of years.

Modern Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all products of the complex beliefs of ancient Sumeria. How much more simpler it must have been to simply pass on a basic primitive calendar system that evolved as man himself grew and changed than that.

The balance is tipping toward the wrong end and I would say it 80/20 it will end.

I'm a sceptic, especially of this subject, and I happen to have had a very good and happy family life. As a sceptic, I've given my views on a number of subjects on these boards and have always tried to be respectful, no matter how ludicrous I may feel the subject matter is. So how about limiting your nasty comments to the people you are upset at and not insulting everyone who has a different opinion to you.
Through-out history, people have made predictions concerning events that will happen years, decades and even centuries after they have been alive. Even today, scientists make predictions about things such as how long the planet will sustain us before the Sun will swallow us up, about how long before the Universe will kill us in a 'Big Freeze' (expansion theory) or fry us (Big Crunch theory). Even with our considerable advancement in science, these scientists can only make generalizations concerning the timeline (for instance, they say it will be another 15 billion years or so). With that in mind, how can the Mayans be so precise with their times? Yes, they were advanced for their time. But even so, they were still primitive compared to our current level of technology and knowledge. Surely, if they are even close with their predictions, we would know about it already and would have come up with some way of surviving the disasters to come?

I would say there is more like a .000000000001 chance that an asteroid will hit the earth in 2012. When it comes to our universe time is not really how we interpret it. That .00000000001 chance means that an asteroid WILL hit the earth, quite possibly this asteroid. Will it hit in 2012, who knows. All I know is an asteroid will hit the earth, it has happened before, it will happen again.

Why are some of you trying to discredit the mayans knowledge of space? It is a guesstimation that the mayans meant the end of the world was 2012, a simple guess so instead of trying to discredit the person that started this rumor, you try to discredit an entire culture of people? I am fairly sure the Mayans astronomy knowledge for their time is even impressive for scientists today. Their calenders are still holding true to this day, so there is no need to ramble bs about how some of their years only had 360 days in it. Maybe they didnt have to worry about daylight savings time? Maybe they didn't need to worry about leap-years?

I dunno, I just try to keep an open mind on all of this. I think the Mayans knew more about astronomy then alot of us give them credit for. They are not here to defend themselves, so I will not speak badly of them.

Excellent points there Ugly.....Mayans seem to know alot about a lot,I'm not sure where they aquired all the knowledge but it is apparent that they had it,,,they may be correct about 2012 ,only time will tell ,even with all our knowledge in this day and age we still make mistakes,so it's fair to suggest and believe that they also can be wrong......

I bet this is just gonna be another6/6/06.That day had me kinda paranoid,but nothing happened.I guess it's just gonna be another wait and see kind of thing.Accept for those few astrological events.Those should be interesting.

I agree. There is no way that the Mayans would have known what happened before their time as they didn't exist. This 2012 garbage is getting out of hand.

There is nothing the Mayans would have been able to see that we can't see ourselves. In the last few hundred years our understanding of the solar system and universe have lept beyond anything any group ever before ever knew. This particular internet meme is VERY annoying.

wrong. looks can be SO deceiving!! but thanks for the compliment! actually, i was graduating high school that year, and i remember it quite well. i lived outside portland maine, in Cape elizabeth, and i remember everyone panicking the closer it came to new years because there was rumors of One City Center being blown up. for those who dont know, one city center is where most media is, and the beginning of the old port. and no, i wasnt in on the hype. come new years, i was outside one city center with all of my friends laughing at the scardey cat morons, having a total BLAST! (heh heh... ) so, yeah, y2k was totally lame IMO. all of the end of the word scenarios were just stupid in 2000. 2008 is different.

my comment about skeptos was not about ALL. just the rude, self-righteous ones. you dont seem like one, so dont be one = ) i value your opinion and your views, as i do anyone elses, until they become rude, condescending, holier-than-thou, all-knowing, pompous jerks about it. noone needs to be that way, and im not the only one on UM who feels that way. maybe not this thread, but most times i come across the same people in various threads that treat people like crap and im sick of it. when i say something about it, it's usually only the guilty parties that have a problem with it.

as for 2012....i dont know, but maine sure is getting a heck of a lot more snow than we used to.........