i found some gravity wave detector circiuts on the net but with a little help from a memeber of a forum, that im a memeber of, and some exsperimentation and months of testing , ive biult 7 gravity wave detectors, there simple to make and ive recorded on notes of the days dates and times of the signals ive receaved on these detectors , and recently ive been tape recording what i receave , but i allso saw a ufo and receaved a signal at the same times? and allso a morse code like signal another time , that translated into certain letters of the alpha bet. now some man made sources like some mobiles can interfear with the circiuts but , there are signal that aint mobile phone related, even though ufos allso emit microwave raditation like mobiles do , there frenquencies are different , ive not found a single person on the net who dose what im doing , and so anyone intrested let me know . so i can share all ive lernt includeing the circiut schematics to biuld these and other details to

Could you explain what a gravity wave is meant to be? It was my understanding that gravity is a force and not a physical thing that exists in waves.

gravity waves well if you look it up on the net, hodowanec gravity wave detectors, you may find a better explanation i can give , im not that good at exsplaining the technicle stuff but if asteriods and planets can have there own gravitational attractions and ufos use gravity waves in there propulsion then maybe these hodowanec circiuts ive modified could receeave ufo propulsion gravity wave feilds.?

I think you will find the world is still trying to detect the very first Gravity wave. When this happens it will be a genuine "Eureka" moment. But...there has not been ANY direct detection of a gravity wave yet.

Are you using a capacitor in your circuit as the sensor? If so then you will never detect a gravity wave because it will be relying on the separation of the plates changing (as a consequence of a gravity wave) and no capacitor ever built or devised is or could be, sufficiently sensitive to the minute amount of charge variance that this might cause. It would actually be impossible to measure the change in Q.

Hi Cradle! I think the world is still out on your point i.e. is gravity a force, or an effect. Perhaps it's both.... gives me a headache thinking about that!

yes im useing ceramic capacirtors as like in some of the hodowanec gravity wave detector circiuts on the net , and these are very sensitive and produce various audio outputs through the circiuts, i dont need to measure anything else , ? i cant tell the direction of any gravity wave , yet but i assume it ripples in all directions , the effects of it when used in alien antigravity propulsion systems. like microwaves from the mobile phone next door allso interfears with it and its receaved from all directions here even when im inside the unit we live in, my gravity wave detector can sense the radiation through a thick lime stone brick wall, the plates of the ceramic capacitor are separated by its own dielectric matierial and gravity wave was suposed to cause some kind of polarization i think it was said on the hodowanec gravity wave detector stuff on the net , to which these are biult from.

Hi Steven17

I have just been looking at the Hodonawec "gravity wave detector" on the internet. I am afraid that all you have is a floating op-amp that is reacting to radiated EMC. It has nothing to do with Gravity Waves, the sounds you are hearing are simply ambient "noise". But... all the same it is great to see people messing about with electronics, much more satisfying than Playstation. I hope you keep up your interest and go into engineering...

ive found something intresting on the net that may relate to my gravity wave detectors , now with the head phones plugged into my gravity wave detectors you can hear white niose comeing through, but its what comes through it thats intresting, iether man made interfearence or something fom ufos or space , now this is a bit like radio astromony , but the gravity wave detectors i have aint radio receavers but they still receave strange signals , now i found that channel 37 uhf is the astromony channel for listening to signals from space through the snowy white niose of the tv and i even saw a picture of a screen with some kind of signal being receaved by that tv and in it was what looked like a face of some kind , here is the link to that site

there is a radio astromony channel for listening to signals from space through the white niose its channel 37 uhf on your tv , i couldent upload the site this info is on but listening through the white niose on your tv is like listening to my gravity wave detector through white niose allso. for signals on the site i found there was a picture of a screen with what looks like a face in it on the tv so radio astromny is a bit intresting like listening for signals through these gravity wave detectors

i apologise for this double post the first one was ment to have the site in it but i got a thing telling me i dont have permission to upload this file so without knowing if half of it was posted without the site in it i reposted it again and now i have 2 of them.

They really are radio receivers... the fact you receive interference and white noise is indicative of this, and as previously explained, an unshielded "floating" op-amp will do the job very well. As an experiment to prove the point (or not, you will have to post your results here).... with your detector powered up and the headphones on take a small battery (the square 9 volt ones are easiest for this) and with a piece of wire very briefly short out the terminals. This will react with your circuit (the battery needs to be very close, a few inches at most) and you will hear the crackle in your headphones. This is because the shorting of the battery terminals acts as a very crude radio transmitter, your circuit, as a receiver will pick this up.

You could further build in a tuner into your circuit if you wanted to, it's very simple you will need a variable capacitor, to get rid of the white noise and just leave the signal you want to hear.

luckily i actually saw a ufo and got a long signal at the same time, and when the ufo was out of site the incomeing signal stopped ,

You forgot to put in the crystals!

EMI from an aircraft passing overhead I suspect. It is NOT detecting gravity waves. Nothing can...yet.

only radios and receavers have crystals , these gravity wave detectors havent got any niether do they have ereals and tuners, , few capacitors and resistors and an audio amp ic and 741 op amp

I'm so confused!!

Riiiight....may I ask why you think such a simple electronics circuit would ever be able to detect gravity waves? Spoiler: it doesn't!

Cheers,
Badeskov

Sorry, but that white noise that you are hearing is most likely thermal noise in your circuit.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Edited for typo.

look it up on the net fellow ghost hodowanec gravity wave detector,

by useing the audio editor golden edition, program from the net i did a frenquency analasys of one of the signals i recorded, the details are as follows lowest was 402 hertz and the highest was 21865 hertz 57 db if the program is corect , and ive worked out the freqeuncy analysis ok

Do you know what your circuit actually does or did you just blindly build it from the web? Maybe you should try and simulate it's behavior, e.g. using PSpice from Orcad. You can download PSpice 9.1 here (bottom of page).

After doing some work with that, maybe you can help explain to me as to how this contraption is expected to capture gravity waves (again, not to ruin your day, but it doesn't). All you'll get is EMI (Electromagnetic Interference) and thermal noise.

Cheers,
Badeskov

im nood for technicle exsplanations , you can look it up on the net[ hodowanec gravity wave detectors]

I did, and I honestly spent (wasted) the time reading it. Dear Gregory is plain wrong and if you know a bit about electronics, it is blaringly obvious why. Your circuit is an excellent amplifier of all kind of electro-magnetic interference, and that is all that it is. It'll never have a snowballs chance in hell of catching a single gravity wave. First of all, gravity is not an electro-magnectic force in any wave, so how people think this could even work in the first place just baffles me, put mildly. Secondly, even if gravity had an influence upon electronic circuits, it is still astounding that you would expect a simple (and NOT very sensitive) op-amp circuit could detect it - if it could, every radio and HIFI amplifier on earth would do the same.

By all means of respect, but it is complete BS. Please don' waste your time

Cheers,
Badeskov

electromagnetic interfearence im glad ufos produce these to and maybe ? as a byproduct of there anti gravity propulsion systems , in maybe one way or another, when i saw this ufo excelerate to incredible speeds the gravity wave detector went crazy and ufos may of produced microwave energy as some kind of by product from the effects of its anti gravity propulsion system hence gravity waves propulsion,?

hi fi and steroes all have filter circiuts in them to filter out interfearence and niose man made sources , ive gone throught evrything i can find on ufo interfearence cases to radios and some of what people say they have had happened to there radios when ufos were nearby would sound like man made interfearences allso when in fact it came from the ufos , so id be carefull in what i would filter out as its not allways nessisarily man made , especially when ya a long way from man made inetrfearences , the ufo gravity drive would not just produce magnetic feilds that can effect a compass but other things like static and microwaves like man made sources can allso do , ive got a recording of the micrwave effect from a mobbile phone and i remeber the effect i got from a ufo and they are allmost similiar same applies to that ground radar thing i receaved from a plane i think it was what they use to detrmine there hight from the ground .

toy the 1st of march makes its 8 months ive been monitoring for signals from the skies , and since ive got a tape recorder im recording isolateing and adding to to pc signals of intrest , not like seti dose , but its intresting.

Believe it or not, some of the people on this forum do actually know what they're talking about when it comes to electronics. My understanding isn't as good as theirs, since my only experience was working as a storeman for a repair centre. I did pick up a few things from talking to and watching the techs at work.
Personally I think the device is rather vulnerable to normal kinds of interference, but rather than go over the same ground that Badeskov has explained to you (since you don't seem to grasp that using the components in an uncoventional manner opens up all kinds of variables that need to be factored in), I thought I might present some interesting points about the 'creator' of this branch of Cosmology...

Several years earlier, Hodowanec was claiming that he had actually made contact with someone on the planet Mars.
He said the signals eventually evolved into intelligible patterns which indicated there was a decimated civilization still in existence on the planet.
We have the papers and will list them in the near future for those who might be interested...this is what he refers to in the comment "other effects that will not be disclosed here" and was due to the national nature of the magazine in which the article was published.

He says a cone of receptivity from or to Mars was the reason that the signals could only be detected at certain locations on either planet.
In other words, you must be in the right place at the right time and with the right equipment.
The signals essentially used modulated gravitational waves. Link
Bang. Right there *BIG RED FLAG* in contact with the ruins of an ancient martian civilisation. And NASA knows absolutely nothing about this mystery signal? And of course the get out of jail free card "only works when you're in the right place, at the right time". So that would make it a beam. How the blankblankblank do you make a beam of gravity? Or even a wave? Like a few others have already mentioned, gravity is a force that draws objects of lessor mass to those with greater mass. Say all you want about electrons, etc.. you're not going to harness them using gravity to send a signal from Mars to Earth.

Real Gravitational wave detectors are expensive (and even then, are just chasing the theoretical) Link
We're talking huge distances, lasers, spacecraft and maybe even the moon. Still think you can build your own from stuff you bought at Radioshack?
You'd be better of lending SETI and/or Einstein@home some of your PC's processing power if you really are interested in the discovery of unknown signals.

Personally, I think Hodowanec might have been 'borrowing' from a misunderstanding of a concept in fluid dynamics when he hatched his theory Link.

And it seems that he either didn't have that firm an understanding of what he was doing (on the electronics side of things) or, if he did, he was deliberately skewing the results to what he wanted to see- as this email seems to indicate Link

MRAFLUKE.ASC
14 Nov 1995
To: keelynet@ix.netcom.com
From: David Forbes
Subject: MRA

I found the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier to be an amusing if not wholly effective Free Energy device. I showed the articles to my co-workers one at a time, and the first thing each of them said was, 'You can't measure AC power with a Fluke meter!'
I built Greg Hodowanec's Mini-MRA circuit (described in Jul-Aug-Sep '95 Extraordinary Science magazine) and found that it works at about 50%
efficiency if the input current is measured with an oscilloscope. Then I saw that his measured input current was much lower than mine. I found that he used a Fluke 87 DMM to measure the input current but not the output current. He calculated output current from the load resistor, so his output current value was more or less correct.

I then called Fluke to ask about the frequency response of the AC current function of the model 87, and they said it's only accurate up to 2 KiloHertz. He was using it at 75 KHz! No wonder he measured such an efficient circuit... he was badly misusing the test equipment. And he was measunring in such a way that the bad reading increased the apparent efficiency.

The reason I built this circuit is that it is a textbook circuit that exists in millions of consumer electronic items with <100% efficiency. So I knew it
was a bogus Free Energy device before I built it. I just built it to demonstrate to myself that I understood the author's error. Just in case you haven't realized this yet:

The file you got from Joel McClain about the Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical 'verification' is NOT a verification of over-unity operation of his MRA. It is simply a duplication of McClain's erroneous efficiency measurement. Note the wording of the following statements by TRA:

4) The input current was then calculated PER THE CUSTOMER as the voltage (rms) across R1 & R2 divided by the resistance of R1 + R2.

6) The output current through R3 was calculated PER THE CUSTOMER as the voltage (rms) across R3 divided by the resistance of R3.

7) The CUSTOMER DEFINES the MRA gain as the output voltage (rms) D to E times the output current through R3 divided by the input voltage (rms) A to B times the input current through R1 & R2.

The people at TRA did *not* analyze the circuit or the measurement techniques. They simply used McClain's techniques, as they stated above. That doesn't prove that the circuit works. It only serves to lend false authority to a flawed measurement --- one that was shown to be erroneous by both Puthoff and Frode.

So please change your MRA score to: 2 against, 1 irrelevant.

One thing to keep in mind about the MRA. The underlying principle of the whole thing as stated by Norm Wooten is that it taps the energy locked in a permanent magnet and an piezoelectric crystal. (I don't have the source handy, but he says this in his Extraordinary Science article of Jul-Aug-Sep '95.)

I don't know if you're familiar with the operation of a peizoelectric crystal, but it doesn't have any energy locked in it. It just has the ability to convert electrical energy into mechanical energy. That is, if you put in electrical power, you get out mechanical power, or vice-versa. Nothing magic in that. An electromagnet does the same thing. And they have both been shown to do this with less than 100% efficiency by thousands of researchers over the years.

very well done keep up the good work, in one of the hodowanec circiuts he used a ceramic capcitor marked as 224 on its side , but the modifications i have made allso include a 0.1uf ceramic and a 1m resistor , now the 0.1uf ceramic parralelled to it allso acts as a sensor. , in another gravity wave detector i made some modifications by utilizing a simple mic preamp circiut to boost the signals , and it works good , and i have a ceramic sensor cap from transistor base to ground , and it works great to , ive had about 3 or 4 detectors runing at the same time and to test them out i was monitoring them and got an interfearence signal on all at the same time so it was a good test as for the morse code signals i receaved that translated into different letters than what hodowanec got , ill be investigateing that more yet.

Both yes and no. Normally such circuits are shielded pretty well, however, if you take a HIFI amplifier with no input attached you will have a very similar circuit, albeit more broadband and more susceptible to such interference. You should detect gravity waves right away.

I make very high gain amplifier circuits with bandwidths at 10 and 40GHz on a regular basis as part of my work and many times the input is left open when we do other testing, and never have I noticed any such intereference as you are describing, neither have I heard from any other researcher in this field claiming such.

But lets revisit the reasons for why this circuit should be able to detect gravity waves:

1) Gravity waves are indeed an electro-magnetic force.

This goes against all that we know of gravity, and one of the head-aches of theoretical physics is indeed to somehow unite gravity with the other known forces. But even if it was, such waves would be detected by any radio circuit with an antenna, as they are much more sensitive than the circuit Gregory has been fiddling around with. All one really has to do is to have a broadband electrical spectrum analyzer sit running without an input connected, that should show it very clearly. We typically have several sitting around in our lab (2 with a bandwidth of 40GHz) unused, but still on and we normally see nothing besides the usual suspects (cell phone ringing, etc).

Secondly, SETI would have discovered this long ago, given their vast amount of radio telescopes. So I think we can rule that out.

2) Gravity is not an electro-magnetic force, but interacts with the circuit as a gravitational force as we know it.

Well, the only way it could really interact with the circuit would be if it somehow changed the characteristics of the components as it is not an electro-magnetic force. Well, as it is not an electro-magnetic force, we cannot shield the circuit in any way (otherwise we should be able to make things float and defy gravity simply by encasing them in whatever shielding is required), or any other circuit for that matter, from gravity and every part in the circuit would be affected. That also means every single circuit on Earth would be affected as no circuit could be shielded. Then your TV, your HIFI set, your transistor radio would exhibit the exact same behavior and I am sure that would have been noticed

3) Some other way.

Time to pick up that Nobel Prize waiting for you.



Now we are probably getting to the crux of the matter. What you are most likely picking up are atmospheric events of some sorts. They can be powerful electro-magnetic emitters and can certainly introduce broadband signals onto your circuit. My interpretation is that what you are recording is thermal noise, atmospheric events and man made interference.

I am VERY sure that it has nothing whatsoever to do with gravity waves.

Cheers,
Badeskov

An easy way to tell if gravity waves are passing by is to have a laser, or light beam, it hits a mirror, reflect to another, the gravity wave should either shorten or lengthen it by about the size of an atom, so measure the time difference, the greater the time irregularity, the stronger the wave.

Indeed, not only has the inventor of this circuit some questionable claims in his baggage, he also has no idea of what the proper, critical methodology in measuring constitutes. If one of my students came to me with the same type of data (or lack of same), I would have some rather harsh words for him.

Gregory is wrong on so many levels that if it wasn't so tragic, it would be rather comical. But I don't even have the energy to pop his circuit into a simulator the extract the graphs showing the issues (I can tell just looking at the circuit, but noone should take my word for it). If anybody wants to double check, I suggest to pop it into PSpice and run a simulation . I don't mind helping once the circuit has been set-up. I just don't have the time to do the footwork.

Cheers,
Badeskov

I am not really sure the scientists behind the various attempts of detecting gravity waves would call it easy, e.g. the LIGO is using such a tecnique .

Cheers,
Badeskov

I wish to become a physicist, but, I am still in High school, so forgive my ignorance of its difficulty.

Oh, no worries I appreciate your candor and your ideas!!! There is no such thing as ignorance unless on purpose. We all learn something new everyday and I am impressed of your knowledge!

Cheers,
Badeskov

i wonder if a circiut simiulator can simiulate the gravity wave detector circiut, take into concideration the circiut is useing a ceramic capacitor as a sensor and not just for capacitance i wonder if the simiulator can reconize that, in its program or not , otherwise maybe that simiultaor would be uselless , becuase it may not reconize a ceramic capacitor as a sensor so it would give you an errorness simiulation?
it would be like uaeing a battery as an ereal the simiulator may not reconize it only as a battery , ive biult prototype circiuts on bread board s and even the battery allso acted like a sensor so when i get near it the circiut goes crazy, maybe its the body capacitance thing , ive used circiut maker program before , and ive drawn hundreads of circiuts , but my ics were in the proper shapes that the program only has as tryangle shapes , so i drawn my in simple ways useing the trax maker tool and i allso numberd my pins something it dosent do in the program but i found a way around it ,

PSpice cannot simulate the behavior of the cap as a gravity detector, no. However, by simulating the system including thermal noise you will get the lower limit for the signal level the change in capacitance would have to be in order to be above the noise level. That in turn will tell the force that the gravity waves would have to have. Requires a bit of math, but oh well - that is part of the fun

Cheers,
Badeskov

thankyou badeskov, in my 8th month now in testing and monitoring for signals ,

My pleasure, anytime. Let me know how everything goes

Cheers,
Badeskov

from an aliens piont of view on there planet we would have to re rwite the laws of phisics because it would most likely be violated , and broken ?

Uhm, no. We wouldn't need to rewrite the laws of physics as we know them just because we are on another planet. The issue is that a much more advanced race would have a much more detailed knowledge. We currently have a fairly good grasp of our observable Universe, and I would rather think that we would need to add to the laws of physics as we know them, and probably tweak them a bit. But I honestly doubt that we need to totally rewrite them.

Cheers,
Badeskov

only our point of view is just that, a human thought process we created for our understanding. Like time space mortality or lack of humanity,towards our own kind.Hum? oxymoron me thinks. If we are to evolve anymore we better get with it. P.S DONTEATUS

very cooly said, one of my several gravity wave detectors with its cool modifications , and upgrades is so sensitive it allso reacts to my sniffing air up my nose , and allso when i blow on it, and it allso dose something amazeing to the sensor ceramic capcitor , it makes my vioce come out with a slight metalic sound to it, and thats from a ceramic capacitor used as a sensor , ive yet to get back to testing that again as im still testing the others.

ive got recordings of vairious signals i receaved with my gravity wave detector, i recorded them from my gravity wave detector headphones with a small tape recorder , thjen i played it and recorded with my pc mic the signals ive got from the tape , i separated them so i recorded the ones that sound different so youll get sounds of my tape recorder button being depressed on to record or off in it , anyone wants some audio recordings , just leave ya email click on my name and you should be able to get my email from my profile details

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steven17 are you saying what i think your saying? Marvin might not like that LoL

Sorry, you cannot detect gravity waves with something you bought off the internet.

The LIGO detector is the only (as far as I know) machine that is built to detect them, and it cost $300m.

You might as well start a thread about the atom smasher you bought at a car boot sale.

i dident buy it off the net i found the circiuts on the hodowanec gravity wave detector site and i improved it and made some modifications with the help of a member of a forum im a memeber of . and ive got signals , maybe more than that $300 million dollar gravity wave detector did , and ive seen 2 ufos and got signals from them and they use anitigravity, hence anti gravity detection like detecting ufo gravity waves .

With all due respect, but I honestly would personally doubt very much. To convince me I would have to see the measurements, how any other source but gravity waves have been eliminated and what the sensitivity actually is. Otherwise, I would rather trust the $300M collaborative LIGO effort.



May I ask why you are so sure that the UFOs you observed are using gravity waves? Because you detected them and then they have to be gravity waves or because you happen to know from *mumble* that UFOs use that technology?

Cheers,
Badeskov

ufos do things that no air craft or niosey jets on this planet can do and thats fly silently so one would emgaine that they would use a propuslsion systen unknown to man kind and that would only be some form of anit gravity , so there propulsion system would most likely be what the gravity wave detector is senseing or something a byproduct of it.

Even more accepted in practice: Banded in both conjunction as well as distortion/spreading.

What you need:
1) EM spectrum analyzer, incl. optical range.
2) digital analyzing equipment (such as, database prog. on a computer)
3) preferably some switching apparatus. Tricky, but easily configured.

This is common place in some areas (et al). You're looking for areas of the EM fields where there's what is usually referred to as over-lapping. Say, colors that take on hues not normally present (at least not within the studied time-frame), radio-waves where the frequencies run together temporarily. Most notably, are the structures of emitted particles. Typically in the beta-decay range. These are electron-pulses. Often, they cause interference in the radio-TV range. Undefinable, but present.

Sourcing indicates that these interferences may be due to matter/energies taking immediate formation in the localized region, very briefly. They're distinct, and quite often can be detected.

What makes them so interesting, is that there's no indication of why they occur. Since, Conservation of Energy-Matter is a Fundamental Law, it should not be violated. However, these distortions, can be and are detected.
A simple way of finding an area for observation is to note of equipment possibly already in place. Things attached to light poles and power lines for instance, that seem odd, is a good guess at an active area. Something abnormally reflective is a good indicator. As, it is not good practice to have exposure of such a vivid conductor on high-tension/power lines.