Signs of type IV extraterrestrial influence in Abell 1835 IR1916,
a galaxy 13,230 million light-years away, merely 470 million years
young from the time of big bang

It is the furthest galaxy on the record. The galaxy Abell 1835 IR1916 is located about 13,230 million light-years away. Hence, it is seen at a time when the Universe was merely 470 million years young, that is, barely 3 percent of its current age.

Scientists are finding extraterrestrial influence in this galaxy. It seems the galaxy was engineered and fit into place by artificial forces. This is the furthest galaxy ever discovered. Therefore it is also the earliest galaxy that we can view through gravitational lenses.

Some 13.7 billion years ago, after the big bang, the Universe plunged into darkness. Neither stars nor quasars had yet been formed which could illuminate the vast space. The Universe was a cold and opaque place. Some thing went wrong, according to some scientists. Intervention was needed by the Type IV civilization that created the big bang in their massive inter-universe particle colliders. The big bang created a black hole in the hyperspace – our universe with three spatial dimensions and a forward moving single time dimension. According to scientists this was the start of ‘dark ages’ that was eventually corrected through the intervention of the Type IV civilization.

The galaxy Abell 1835 IR1916 is part of the "Cosmic Renaissance" that was artificially engineered by the Type IV civilization.

According to scientists this was the start of ‘dark ages’ that was eventually corrected through the intervention of the Type IV civilization.

Link please as to the location of said article. Also, names of those scientists that believe this to be true, please.

There has always been a link. Please use it.

And the reason I had put it in the Science subforum was because it's not about "Eyewitness Accounts" or anything like that.

It was observed by scientists, through gravitational lenses. UFO forum might give the topic more attention... but it also makes it look a little tacky, and I couldn't care less how many replies this gets... I'd rather the serious people post. Quality over Quantity.

There has always been a link. Please use it.

And the reason I had put it in the Science subforum was because it's not about "Eyewitness Accounts" or anything like that.

It was observed by scientists, through gravitational lenses. UFO forum might give the topic more attention... but it also makes it look a little tacky, and I couldn't care less how many replies this gets... I'd rather the serious people post. Quality over Quantity.

Pretty cool?

I think so.

Pretty made up actually. The fact that they haven't named any of these "scientists" or credited any sources leads me to think they're just getting carried anyway with a bit of word-of-mouth nonsense.

If they had even done their research they'd know that the latest findings claim this galaxy doesn't even exist.

Explain to me where it says Abell 1835 IR1916 does not exist?

Abstract

In a recent paper Pelló et al. reported observations of a faint galaxy, gravitationally lensed by the galaxy cluster Abell 1835. Deep J-band spectroscopy revealed a weak emission line near 1.34 microns, detected in two spectra with different central wavelengths. The line was interpreted as Lyα at redshift z=10.0. This interpretation is supported by the broad-band photometric spectral energy distribution, and by the location of the galaxy close to the lens critical line for this redshift. We have reanalysed the two spectra, just released from the data archive. Our analysis includes allowance for wavelength shifts due to transverse drift of the object in the slit. We do not detect a significant emission line at the reported location, or nearby, at either grating setting, nor in the combined spectrum. We provide a possible explanation for the reported detection as due to spurious positive flux introduced in the sky-subtraction stage as a result of variable hot pixels. We provide our final reduced 2D frame, and corresponding error array.

further analysis by Weatherley, Warren and Babbedge (2004) of the data that led to the first announcement has cast doubt on the claim that it is a distant object, and follow-up observations in the H-band using the Gemini North Telescope (Bremer et al. 2004) and observations from the orbiting Spitzer Space Telescope (Smith et al. 2006) were not able to detect it at all.

Explain to me where it says Abell 1835 IR1916 does not exist?

From what take, it says: reported observations of a faint galaxy, gravitationally lensed by the galaxy cluster Abell 1835.

So that makes me think galaxy cluster Abell 1835 does exist.

However, further analysis by Weatherley, Warren and Babbedge (2004) of the data that led to the first announcement has cast doubt on the claim that it is a distant object, and follow-up observations in the H-band using the Gemini North Telescope (Bremer et al. 2004) and observations from the orbiting Spitzer Space Telescope (Smith et al. 2006) were not able to detect it at all.

It just may not even exist...



So where is there any info re: Class IV civilisations constructing it?

the big bang theory is only a theory not fact (how can it be anything other.)

You obviously don't understand the definition of the word theory. A theory is not a 'guess'. A theory is established in facts. The Big Bang did happen, it's been proven. The fact that all objects are moving away from each other, the left-over radiation, even the noise created by it. Please learn about something before you comment on it.

what is a class IV civilization anyway? im not familiar with the term. Im guessing ti means more advanced than us

Type IV and above
The Q Continuum and its individual members in the Star Trek mythos
The Time Lords of Doctor Who - in the story The Gallifrey Chronicles the Time Lord Marnal claims "The Time Lords were the Type 4 civilization. We had no equals. We controlled the fundamental forces of the entire universe. Nothing could communicate with us on our level. Most races pray to lesser beings than the Time Lords"[24]
The Dancers at the End of Time by Michael Moorcock - a past civilization is described which consumed all the energy in all the stars in the universe (saving Earth's own sun) in order to fuel an existence where the inheritors of the Earth lived as nigh-omnipotent gods.
The Ancients from the Stargate mythos invented a machine to harness all the power of this universe and other universes, by using Zero-point energy. Unfortunately it never worked properly, creating a large amount of uncontrollable exotic particles. The Ancients did finally achieve powers over the universe by Ascending to another plane of existence. This is an example of Transhumanism in fiction.

what is a class IV civilization anyway? im not familiar with the term. Im guessing ti means more advanced than us

Scientists are finding extraterrestrial influence in this galaxy. It seems the galaxy was engineered and fit into place by artificial forces.

The Universe was a cold and opaque place. Some thing went wrong, according to some scientists. Intervention was needed by the Type IV civilization that created the big bang in their massive inter-universe particle colliders.

According to scientists this was the start of ‘dark ages’ that was eventually corrected through the intervention of the Type IV civilization.

The galaxy Abell 1835 IR1916 is part of the "Cosmic Renaissance" that was artificially engineered by the Type IV civilization.

I'd rather the serious people post. Quality over Quantity.

what is a class IV civilization anyway? im not familiar with the term. Im guessing ti means more advanced than us

Hence, it is seen at a time when the Universe was merely 470 million years young, that is, barely 3 percent of its current age.

Can someone explain to me how the information given in any of the links indicate "signs of type IV extraterrestrial influence"?

I read the India Daily article--unfortunately; trust me, I don't often ask for my time back, but to this I have--and I fail to see anything worthy of scientific speculation. It actually reminded me of the horrible speech given by my valedictorian at the end of high school: "Divorce is bad. Hope for the future." Really just putting independent thoughts next to one another and relying on the reader to make a valid correlation.

I also read the Science Daily article--much more coherent; thank you--and found no mention "extraterrestrial influence"...probably because it was actually science based.

Maybe I missed something. Right now the whole thing is akin to me saying, "It's raining outside. This is caused by the weather elephants urinating."

Please, someone make this relevant. Or not.

<h3 class="smallheadline">ESO Press Release 04/04</h3> <h3 class="smallheadline">1 March 2004</h3> For immediate release

<h2 class="bigheadline"> VLT Smashes the Record of the Farthest Known Galaxy </h2> <h3 class="mediumheadline"> Redshift 10 Galaxy discovered at the Edge of the Dark Ages [1] </h3> Summary

Using the ISAAC near-infrared instrument on ESO's Very Large Telescope, and the magnification effect of a gravitational lens, a team of French and Swiss astronomers [2] has found several faint galaxies believed to be the most remote known.

Further spectroscopic studies of one of these candidates has provided a strong case for what is now the new record holder - and by far - of the most distant galaxy known in the Universe.

Named Abell 1835 IR1916, the newly discovered galaxy has a redshift of 10 [3] and is located about 13,230 million light-years away. It is therefore seen at a time when the Universe was merely 470 million years young, that is, barely 3 percent of its current age.

This primeval galaxy appears to be ten thousand times less massive than our Galaxy, the Milky Way. It might well be among the first class of objects which put an end to the Dark Ages of the Universe.

This remarkable discovery illustrates the potential of large ground-based telescopes in the near-infrared domain for the exploration of the very early Universe.


PR Photo 05a/04: Abell 1835 IR1916 - the Farthest Galaxy - Seen in the Near-Infrared
PR Photo 05b/04: Two-dimensional Spectra of Abell 1835 IR191

Note added November 30, 2005: Since these results have been published several further investigations by several independent teams have been undertaken. A deep observation with the Gemini-North Near-Infrared Imager (NIRI) has not detected the source to fainter magnitude limits than in the ISAAC data. Also, a deep V-band image taken with FORS does not show the object to be present. The status of this object is hence currently unresolved.

Yes, yes, I did catch that existence of the object is under debate. I was actually trying to find out how, if it did exist, one could claim by the information given...

You know what? I'm putting way too much effort into this. I must be bored. I do appreciate the thorough dissection of my post though, badeskov

And the weather elephants are for everyone.

Are you sure it wasn't Signs of type LXIX extraterrestrial influence?"

the big bang theory is only a theory not fact (how can it be anything other.)

You obviously don't understand the definition of the word theory. A theory is not a 'guess'. A theory is established in facts. The Big Bang did happen, it's been proven. The fact that all objects are moving away from each other, the left-over radiation, even the noise created by it. Please learn about something before you comment on it.

Theory:

# a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of ...
# hypothesis: a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory of alkalis that later was ...
# a belief that can guide behavior; "the architect has a theory that more is less"; "they killed him on the theory that dead men tell no tales"

Never said a theory was a guess, I also never stated theories hold no facts.

I stated, A theory is not fact. The big bang is theory, not fact. It is not proven, if it were it would be "the big bang: Fact" and not "the big bang theory" as it is in the present.



Please learn something before you comment on it.

I stated, A theory is not fact. The big bang is theory, not fact. It is not proven, if it were it would be "the big bang: Fact" and not "the big bang theory" as it is in the present.

Additionally, NO ONE can explain the theoretical "big bang" 'cause if they could they would have to account for the mass. Something cannot come out of nothing. So, the "big bang" theory comes from brilliant minds who are still ignorant.

the big bang theory is only a theory not fact (how can it be anything other.)

You obviously don't understand the definition of the word theory. A theory is not a 'guess'. A theory is established in facts. The Big Bang did happen, it's been proven. The fact that all objects are moving away from each other, the left-over radiation, even the noise created by it. Please learn about something before you comment on it.

My crazy hypothetical little take on Signs Of Extraterrestrial Influence right here on Terra Ferma...

Just a few...(work calls)

-The Wheel (the idea musta originally came from somewhere?)
-Discovery of the Atom
-Electricity (methinks Telsa was of them)
-Nanotechnology (nanobots ready to crawl all over us)
-Stem Cell Research...ET's sole it off us ('abducting/probing us humans & our live stock') so we stole it back (karma)
-Micro Chip (drop them pants & bend over please sir while we probe & deposit, thankyou...)
-Remote Control (TV)
-New CD and DVD Technology – (Blu-Ray and HD-DVD)