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*kelpie*
does anybody think that it is possible for people to be born bad and/or evil. what i mean is that their underlying personality/ soul, whatever you want to call it, is just bad from the second that they are concevied and no matter what there upbringing was like they will always remain so? would just like to know other peoples opinions on this.
sorry if this question has been posted before or is in the wrong place.
glorybebe
QUOTE (answers? @ Feb 26 2008, 12:09 PM) *
does anybody think that it is possible for people to be born bad and/or evil. what i mean is that their underlying personality/ soul, whatever you want to call it, is just bad from the second that they are concevied and no matter what there upbringing was like they will always remain so? would just like to know other peoples opinions on this.
sorry if this question has been posted before or is in the wrong place.


Well, I know that people used to say that there was 'bad blood' in families, and that those families were more prone to be criminals. Now, were they really, or did they turn to crime since everyone thought they would and wouldn't give them a chance to have a job? I wouldn't doubt that they are genetic markers that could determine that some people are predisposed to turn to criminal activity or in the very least have less of a conscience than others.
Belle.
Maybe people can be born with an underlying predisposition to something like aggression.

If they were brought up in a bad envrionment I could imagine it would manifest itself in criminality etc.

Hmm and maybe on the flipside if they were brought up in a good environment they may be the business leaders, politicians or athletes of tomorrow tongue.gif
*kelpie*
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Feb 26 2008, 08:33 PM) *
Well, I know that people used to say that there was 'bad blood' in families, and that those families were more prone to be criminals. Now, were they really, or did they turn to crime since everyone thought they would and wouldn't give them a chance to have a job? I wouldn't doubt that they are genetic markers that could determine that some people are predisposed to turn to criminal activity or in the very least have less of a conscience than others.


yeah i have heard that to, reason i asked was that a woman at my work was telling me about her nephew who is the middle child out of five. she maintains that since he was a baby he was bad, he never cryed, even when hurting himself. never responded to being told off or warnings and would just say i dont care. even when being warned buy the police. she says that he appeared to have no conscience at all. she tells me that all his other siblings were 'normal' kids so it would not appear to be anything from his upbringing. i find it very strange
Belle.
QUOTE (answers? @ Feb 26 2008, 08:51 PM) *
yeah i have heard that to, reason i asked was that a woman at my work was telling me about her nephew who is the middle child out of five. she maintains that since he was a baby he was bad, he never cryed, even when hurting himself. never responded to being told off or warnings and would just say i dont care. even when being warned buy the police. she says that he appeared to have no conscience at all. she tells me that all his other siblings were 'normal' kids so it would not appear to be anything from his upbringing. i find it very strange


Aww that actually sounds sad. He may be just different and could benefit from speaking to a counsellor. Could also be something like aspergers. Who knows.
*kelpie*
his family had him taken to a councilor and discovered he had no pain threshold and also said that he had all the main criteria of becoming a phycopath . he is now grown up and is hardly in contact with his family so they dont know where he is or what he gets up to.
glorybebe
QUOTE (Belqis @ Feb 26 2008, 12:53 PM) *
Aww that actually sounds sad. He may be just different and could benefit from speaking to a counsellor. Could also be something like aspergers. Who knows.


and a kid I know who has FAS is like that, too. They don't understand consequences and hurting others. My friend's parents adopted three FAS children, and one is really bad, the other two are quite normal.

And answers? I do honestly think that some people are just born with something missing. They are so narcissistic that they don't care who they hurt as long as they are happy.
*kelpie*
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Feb 26 2008, 09:02 PM) *
and a kid I know who has FAS is like that, too. They don't understand consequences and hurting others. My friend's parents adopted three FAS children, and one is really bad, the other two are quite normal.

And answers? I do honestly think that some people are just born with something missing. They are so narcissistic that they don't care who they hurt as long as they are happy.


yeah i think so to
red-star
i like to think that all new borns are innocent, for instance people arent born racist, racism comes from people around them, the same goes for being evil and bad, but i do think that some people can be born 'not ver well' ie have conditons thats make them naturally agressive etc..
Angel077
I think even if it's possible for someone to be born bad, they could change. Any human possessing freewill anything would be capable of changing. So since we all have freewill we can change. I believe that people are shaped by their surroundings, and the experiences they have in life. How situations affect someone depends on the person. Even if someone had a miserable life and became mean and nasty and cruel, they could change if they wanted to.
Do you mean could someone be born pure evil, like in the Omen movies, I hope not.
brothers
Kids at times will do bad things just to see what would happen. I was one of them but to not that extreme. I got out of it and now a "somewhat normal" person. Looking back at it makes me sad that I ever did it so I suppose that is what keep me somewhat normal. But yes there are bad people out there and will always be bad. Something in them just don't want to change because it wouldn't give them the plesure to do what they do. You can say a chemical imbalance of some sorts.
dlv
QUOTE (answers? @ Feb 26 2008, 09:09 PM) *
does anybody think that it is possible for people to be born bad

Yes, Hussein Obama speaks badly. I can't imagine listening to him for four more years, if.

Doesn't McCain sound like Snoopy Dog (cartoon)?
Thisisnotmyname
QUOTE (dlv @ Feb 26 2008, 11:28 PM) *
Yes, Hussein Obama speaks badly. I can't imagine listening to him for four more years, if.

Doesn't McCain sound like Snoopy Dog (cartoon)?


Hey, even if he isn't the greatest speaker, at least he can pronounce english words effectively, unlike Bush. Besides, being a great speaker doesn't necessarily make someone a wonderful leader. Hitler is widely considered to be one of the greatest public speakers in human history. Tells you something, huh?

But as far as the topic at hand goes?
Yes, people can have inherently 'bad' tendencies. I think there's some in all of us; some of us just show it more. It's just that incredibly ancient "nature vs nurture" issue.

One thing that came to mind as I was thinking about this was the fact that no infant/toddler finds anything to be remotely as funny as physical pain to another human. Next time you do something idiotic in front of a small child [hit your head on something, trip/fall, etc etc etc], take a look at the hysterical laughter they are bound to exhibit; they'll laugh harder than your college buddies would.
danielost
QUOTE (answers? @ Feb 26 2008, 02:09 PM) *
does anybody think that it is possible for people to be born bad and/or evil. what i mean is that their underlying personality/ soul, whatever you want to call it, is just bad from the second that they are concevied and no matter what there upbringing was like they will always remain so? would just like to know other peoples opinions on this.
sorry if this question has been posted before or is in the wrong place.

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According to the bible only one will be born bad. All others had to learn to be bad.
dlv
QUOTE (Thisisnotmyname @ Feb 27 2008, 06:07 AM) *
Hitler is widely considered to be one of the greatest public speakers in human history. Tells you something, huh?

If I can't stay awake, or if I'm irritated, I don't care how great they are because I'm tuned out anyway, but if there's a great speaker with wonderful messages, like Hillary Clinton, then that person gets my vote. Hillary is no Hitler. Hussein Obama bores and irritates the hell out of me.
CrOM_94
no it depends on their environment in wich they grow and learn and if they have some mental diseases they could be more agresive
EmpressStarXVII
I think we are all born in pure innocence. It is the surrounding environment that influence us.
*kelpie*
QUOTE (Angel077 @ Feb 27 2008, 03:20 AM) *
I think even if it's possible for someone to be born bad, they could change. Any human possessing freewill anything would be capable of changing. So since we all have freewill we can change. I believe that people are shaped by their surroundings, and the experiences they have in life. How situations affect someone depends on the person. Even if someone had a miserable life and became mean and nasty and cruel, they could change if they wanted to.
Do you mean could someone be born pure evil, like in the Omen movies, I hope not.


yeah it could be interprited as evil. for instance children who murder
Anukis
i don't think a person can be born evil. when we are born we can't distinguish between good and evil since we didn't experienced any of them in a conscious state. but it can be born 'evil' because of some mental illness for instance. i believe people become evil later in life because they experienced something negative that changed them to the point of thinking they must take revenge over humanity.
Ozi
QUOTE (answers? @ Feb 26 2008, 08:09 PM) *
does anybody think that it is possible for people to be born bad and/or evil. what i mean is that their underlying personality/ soul, whatever you want to call it, is just bad from the second that they are concevied and no matter what there upbringing was like they will always remain so? would just like to know other peoples opinions on this.
sorry if this question has been posted before or is in the wrong place.



No, everyone is born with a clean slate, what goes on to it, is largely down to the upbringing, enviroment and the person himself.
Darkwind
Some people are born with defects in the wiring in their brains. If caught early it can be changed, but most of the time it is not. My brother works with mentally disturb teens in a state hospital and he gets the worst of them. Sometimes it is cause by their environment, sometimes it is the wiring in the brain. The problem is because of the state of our mental heath system these children have little hope for cure.
I used to have rages cause by my MS, so I understand what it is like to just lose control, but with therapy I have learned to control it. Learning to control your thoughts is key.
I don't think babies are born bad or evil, but stuff happens...
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