sewinglife/chimera
Mar 1 2008, 01:46 AM
Hi im just wondering if anyone here has heard of the records and have any of you read from it. I heard its a Metaphysical state you can achive in your dreams . Could this Akashic records be true and there is away to see into the future like Edgar Cayce (srry for my grammer folks)
Celtic Spirit
Mar 1 2008, 02:10 AM
Read about the Akashic records in a book about Edgar Cayce but have not searched for them yet. If Edgar had access to them then I'm happy with knowing what he had to say.
darkbreed
Mar 1 2008, 02:16 AM
Yeah it is real and frequently visited by astral projectors, psychics etc.
This is where they get information from on any past, present of future event, and this is HOW they can get this information.
It has nothing to do with "going back" or "forth" in time, as everything is existing there in the moment, all that ever was, all that is, and all that will be (and the different variations thereof)
I guess you can call it the Record of Existence, and it's a very useful source to tap into of obvious reasons.
Cheers
Heartagram3200
Mar 1 2008, 02:42 AM
So Darkbreed, are these "records" baisically a library, where projectors and psychics can come and go to extract information at will?
sewinglife/chimera
Mar 1 2008, 02:50 AM
I want to know because it seems interesting that if edgar cacye could enter them couldn't we use them at almost like a cheat code for our universe and stop the unthinkable from happening, can The records be rewritten?
Heartagram3200
Mar 1 2008, 02:56 AM
Yea, if they did exist...Wouldn't their be stuff on Jesus too? I would love to find out more about his life...That would be cool...
Sporkling
Mar 1 2008, 02:56 AM
How did those records come about? I've never heard of them.
sewinglife/chimera
Mar 1 2008, 03:02 AM
QUOTE (Electrokinesis is me @ Feb 29 2008, 11:56 PM)

How did those records come about? I've never heard of them.
well Edgar cayce metions them in some of his readings, that was the place he got his future info from, if there real I want to try and enter them
darkbreed
Mar 1 2008, 05:37 AM
Here is an wikipedia article about the akashic records:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_recordsAnd yes it got all information about everything in the cosmos in it, everything, and through it you can travel to any time, place and dimension.
eight bits
Mar 1 2008, 10:12 AM
The notion that there are fully realized written records which detail the fates of gods and people shows up throughout the Indo-European culture area. It is interesting to speculate what the root form was, since the proto-Indo-European core group was not literate.
In any event, Cayce was one among many speakers of an Indo-European language to imagine such records. I believe that Theosophists, for example, also had their own ideas about them.
It is a nice metaphor for a particular metaphysical view about the constitution of reality, and a stock example of how technological advance (writing in this case) becomes incorporated with older ideas ("fate") to make a living mythology.
Whatever floats your boat, but like all metaphysical propositions, this one is neither verifiable nor refutable.
Every false belief you hold is a lever by which you can be exploited. In whatever way you can be exploited, someone will show up to exploit you. Choose carefully.
Celtic Spirit
Mar 1 2008, 11:49 PM
[quote name='eight bits' date='Mar 1 2008, 05:12 AM' post='2176029']
The notion that there are fully realized written records which detail the fates of gods and people shows up throughout the Indo-European culture area. It is interesting to speculate what the root form was, since the proto-Indo-European core group was not literate.
[Quote]In any event, Cayce was one among many speakers of an Indo-European language to imagine such records. I believe that Theosophists, for example, also had their own ideas about them.[Quote/]
Edgar himself could only speak English but when reading for someone in an other country (Italy, for example) the words he spoke were Italian.
The Akashic records are not literally written anywhere that can be read as writing. Edgar was one who could read them, so if you want to know about Jesus's time, for example, you can read what Edgar had to say about that time.
eight bits
Mar 2 2008, 12:36 AM
Sorry, Celtic, I lost you. English and Italian are Indo-European languages. Cayce came from a culture where the root idea was well entrenched.
The term akashic records apparently originates in the 19th Century with the Theosophists. But the idea is found throughout the Indo-European cultural area, and beginning much earlier.
The underlying idea concerns written records, although often enough with some impediment to their being read - guardians that only allow a selected few to see them, or they are written in a dead or otherwise special language.
Impressions on subtle ethers (the Theosophist story) or a collective unconscious (one of the Cayce group stories) which contain the complete true history of the world continues a very long tradition.
darkbreed
Mar 2 2008, 01:14 AM
These records has nothing to do with writing, that's just a metaphorical way to describe them. In reality, it seem to be some sort of energy source, perhaps the Mind of the All itself, or God as many call it. And when connecting to this, you can see any event and place, past , present and future.
It's like an astral wormhole leading to wherever you want to go, you chose the destination (unless you just connect and let it "flow" and receive whatever comes from this source)
At least that's how I experienced it.
You can also visit random places without a specific goal and just see where you end up, which in essence is similar to the "free flow" of energy from this source to your mind as mentioned above.
Celtic Spirit
Mar 2 2008, 03:03 AM
QUOTE (eight bits @ Mar 1 2008, 07:36 PM)

Sorry, Celtic, I lost you. English and Italian are Indo-European languages. Cayce came from a culture where the root idea was well entrenched.
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My mistake, eight bits. You are right.
Celtic Spirit
Mar 2 2008, 03:21 AM
QUOTE (darkbreed @ Mar 1 2008, 08:14 PM)

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These records has nothing to do with writing, that's just a metaphorical way to describe them. In reality, it seem to be some sort of energy source, perhaps the Mind of the All itself, or God as many call it. And when connecting to this, you can see any event and place, past , present and future.
According to Cayce the Akashic records are: ...not as pictures on a screen, not as written words....and are often -- as may be surmised -- indescribable in words. Not easy to decipher I would say.
darkbreed
Mar 2 2008, 04:01 AM
Yeah well, I think I described it better than him then
eight bits
Mar 2 2008, 10:50 AM
QUOTE
Yeah well, I think I described it better than him then
One way to get at the OP's question, whether the "akashic records" are real, is to compare the testimonies of those who claim to witness them.
As you say, the testimonies disagree on the particulars. That is never a good sign.
There is even a pattern in the way the testimonies disagree: each features references to the science of the witness' time, but none of the witnesses are scientists.
That is, 19th Century Theosophists come up with "ethers," the now-discarded but at the time cutting edge physics. The Cayce group's appeal to the unconscious reflects the emerging psychology of his time. And you, "astral wormhole," from the speculative physics of your own day.
It is reasonable enough to argue that all three descriptions are only metaphors anyway. But they are all borrowed metaphors, and all from the same general source, scientific scholarship.
There is a root idea, the common Indo-European mythical notion of explicit records, woven into the Theosophists' culture, Cayce's culture, and your culture.
You have all visibly borrowed the words you use to describe the concept, why is it untenable that you have all borrowed the concept itself as well?
Celtic Spirit
Mar 2 2008, 04:12 PM
QUOTE (eight bits @ Mar 2 2008, 05:50 AM)

One way to get at the OP's question, whether the "akashic records" are real, is to compare the testimonies of those who claim to witness them.
As you say, the testimonies disagree on the particulars. That is never a good sign.
There is even a pattern in the way the testimonies disagree: each features references to the science of the witness' time, but none of the witnesses are scientists.
That is, 19th Century Theosophists come up with "ethers," the now-discarded but at the time cutting edge physics. The Cayce group's appeal to the unconscious reflects the emerging psychology of his time. And you, "astral wormhole," from the speculative physics of your own day.
It is reasonable enough to argue that all three descriptions are only metaphors anyway. But they are all borrowed metaphors, and all from the same general source, scientific scholarship.
There is a root idea, the common Indo-European mythical notion of explicit records, woven into the Theosophists' culture, Cayce's culture, and your culture.
You have all visibly borrowed the words you use to describe the concept, why is it untenable that you have all borrowed the concept itself as well?
Sorry about double post.
Celtic Spirit
Mar 2 2008, 04:18 PM
QUOTE (eight bits @ Mar 2 2008, 05:50 AM)

One way to get at the OP's question, whether the "akashic records" are real, is to compare the testimonies of those who claim to witness them.
As you say, the testimonies disagree on the particulars. That is never a good sign.
There is even a pattern in the way the testimonies disagree: each features references to the science of the witness' time, but none of the witnesses are scientists.
That is, 19th Century Theosophists come up with "ethers," the now-discarded but at the time cutting edge physics. The Cayce group's appeal to the unconscious reflects the emerging psychology of his time. And you, "astral wormhole," from the speculative physics of your own day.
It is reasonable enough to argue that all three descriptions are only metaphors anyway. But they are all borrowed metaphors, and all from the same general source, scientific scholarship.
There is a root idea, the common Indo-European mythical notion of explicit records, woven into the Theosophists' culture, Cayce's culture, and your culture.
You have all visibly borrowed the words you use to describe the concept, why is it untenable that you have all borrowed the concept itself as well?
Very well observed.
Lion of Judah
Mar 3 2008, 01:28 PM
The Akashic are real its like unerversal book for the universe anything about past present and future can be found in it
Celtic Spirit
Mar 3 2008, 03:39 PM
It does not follow any realistic belief that anything definitely, absolutely can be given about the future. But very likely possibilities are given as in dual prophesy -- if we do A this will happen but if we do B something else will happen.
Either or both can be given in detail as if it had already happened. That may be why some prophesies do not come about at the time they were supposed to.
Future
Mar 4 2008, 01:41 PM
I have heard of the akashic records as being synonymous with the book of life, the temple of knowledge, and the tree of life. Is anybody else familiar with this symbolism?
Heartagram3200
Mar 4 2008, 11:34 PM
QUOTE (Celtic Spirit @ Mar 3 2008, 10:39 AM)

It does not follow any realistic belief that anything definitely, absolutely can be given about the future. But very likely possibilities are given as in dual prophesy -- if we do A this will happen but if we do B something else will happen.
Either or both can be given in detail as if it had already happened. That may be why some prophesies do not come about at the time they were supposed to.

Yea, I've had deja-vu's, where they last a few minutes, and I know something is supposed to happen in 30 seconds, but only part of it comes true...So there are endless possibilites, like many roads to take, but they all lead to the same place...
Celtic Spirit
Mar 5 2008, 02:35 AM
There are also scientific theories by reliable people like Einstein that blow reality straight to hell. 'Time is an illusion and does not happen one thing after another but simultaneously' tells me that anything is possible. But I still don't understand that concept. There are sure to be systems far beyond our comprehension.
Not to mention spiritual things as well.
Celtic Spirit
Mar 5 2008, 02:37 AM
QUOTE (Future @ Mar 4 2008, 08:41 AM)

I have heard of the akashic records as being synonymous with the book of life, the temple of knowledge, and the tree of life. Is anybody else familiar with this symbolism?
I would guess that they are all talking about the same thing just as all religions etc. are.
Future
Mar 5 2008, 03:06 AM
That is the one problem I have had in my interest in AP. I do not like the "New age" feel of most of the information out there on it. I have gotten so far from religion that I don't even like to consider myself "spiritual". Where does that put me in terms of having paranormal experiences and a strong interest in AP? No idea.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life. Teach a man to pray and he will starve to death praying for fish.
eight bits
Mar 5 2008, 01:13 PM
QUOTE
'Time is an illusion and does not happen one thing after another but simultaneously' tells me that anything is possible.
For some reason, I seem to be writing about Einstein a lot lately.
Relativity theory does not hold that time is in any sense an illusion, but does show that different observers may judge differently the order in which two events occurred. This is a necessary consequence of two assumptions: the "speed limit" character of the speed of light for information transfer and that
any two observers must finally agree what the laws of physics are.
So, it is possible to construct hypothetical situations where I am moving relative to you and we are left with the stark choice between disagreeing about the order in which two events occurred, or disagreeing about the laws which govern the process which produces the events.
It is difficult to imagine this because in almost all of our ordinary experience, you and I are moving along together, and I can only move at piddling speed relative to you.
But even as I type this, there are electrons moving along under my fingertips at about half the speed of light. And the only way I can understand how that produces what is, from my point of view, a stable magnetic field is to make the imaginative projection of what the universe we share "looks like to them," and to appreciate that it does
look different to them than to me.
There is something extraordinarily spiritual about real science. The visions of Swami Whoever have nothing on the plain facts of what really happens all around us, and are available to anybody who takes the trouble to look into them.
Celtic Spirit
Mar 6 2008, 03:19 AM
QUOTE (eight bits @ Mar 5 2008, 08:13 AM)

For some reason, I seem to be writing about Einstein a lot lately.
Relativity theory does not hold that time is in any sense an illusion, but does show that different observers may judge differently the order in which two events occurred. This is a necessary consequence of two assumptions: the "speed limit" character of the speed of light for information transfer and that any two observers must finally agree what the laws of physics are.
So, it is possible to construct hypothetical situations where I am moving relative to you and we are left with the stark choice between disagreeing about the order in which two events occurred, or disagreeing about the laws which govern the process which produces the events.
It is difficult to imagine this because in almost all of our ordinary experience, you and I are moving along together, and I can only move at piddling speed relative to you.
But even as I type this, there are electrons moving along under my fingertips at about half the speed of light. And the only way I can understand how that produces what is, from my point of view, a stable magnetic field is to make the imaginative projection of what the universe we share "looks like to them," and to appreciate that it does look different to them than to me.
There is something extraordinarily spiritual about real science. The visions of Swami Whoever have nothing on the plain facts of what really happens all around us, and are available to anybody who takes the trouble to look into them.
I have not in the past read anything about Einstein because I thought it would be far beyond me -- and it is but there are very interesting theories that I intend to check out -- in a simplified way like some of those books that are geared toward beginners. The concept of wormholes and black holes make for many other possibilities to consider. All of that makes me more of a believer in a universal force etc.
Interesting!!!
Celtic Spirit
Mar 6 2008, 03:25 AM
QUOTE (Future @ Mar 4 2008, 10:06 PM)

That is the one problem I have had in my interest in AP. I do not like the "New age" feel of most of the information out there on it. I have gotten so far from religion that I don't even like to consider myself "spiritual". Where does that put me in terms of having paranormal experiences and a strong interest in AP? No idea.
Teach a man to fish and he will eat for the rest of his life. Teach a man to pray and he will starve to death praying for fish.
Lately there are tons of New Age books--a lot are a waste of time imo, but there are a few good ones. It's good to get every prospective possible.
All beliefs of all kinds can only add to the big picture if taken as just info.
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