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dtweiss
Here is a picture i took at a ski resort. It was raining with thick cloud cover. There were no lights on anywhere around. Can anyone explain that light on the snow?
Watchful
I think part of the film on your negative melted. I could be wrong. Looking at the introverted color version of the photo, it could have been stretched too much while being developed.
Nucular
QUOTE (Watchful @ Mar 1 2008, 07:47 PM) *
I think part of the film on your negative melted. I could be wrong. Looking at the introverted color version of the photo, it could have been stretched too much while being developed.

I thought along similar lines, but it seems the camera it was taken on was a Panasonic DMC-FX12, a 7.2mp digital camera. So, if the image data is correct, no negatives and no developers.

But looking at the anomaly, it doesn't look to me as if it's on the snow (no detail is visible through it), nor actually as if it's in the scene at all: I think it's maybe a light leak or something to do with the camera itself (I'm no expert here).

Certainly don't see anything paranormal though - if this was my image, I'd be worried about my new camera, not looking for ghosts original.gif
mychemicalromance
QUOTE (Watchful @ Mar 1 2008, 07:47 PM) *
I think part of the film on your negative melted. I could be wrong. Looking at the introverted color version of the photo, it could have been stretched too much while being developed.


Your absolutly right. Ive gotten pictures back from the developers that have been messed up like that before. Its just a mechanical malfunction.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Nucular @ Mar 1 2008, 03:00 PM) *
I thought along similar lines, but it seems the camera it was taken on was a Panasonic DMC-FX12, a 7.2mp digital camera. So, if the image data is correct, no negatives and no developers.

But looking at the anomaly, it doesn't look to me as if it's on the snow (no detail is visible through it), nor actually as if it's in the scene at all: I think it's maybe a light leak or something to do with the camera itself (I'm no expert here).

Certainly don't see anything paranormal though - if this was my image, I'd be worried about my new camera, not looking for ghosts original.gif



I took 20 other pictures that day and there were no defects. I have taken hundreds of pictures since then and they are all normal
dtweiss
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 1 2008, 05:14 PM) *
I took 20 other pictures that day and there were no defects. I have taken hundreds of pictures since then and they are all normal


If anyone wants a higher res image to analyze it email me and i will send you the original full size file.
Another note. I'm not a big picture taker but when i took that picture i felt an incredible feeling that is hard to describe. It felt like energy, or warmth, cant really explain it in words. I said to the girl in the picture to stop for a second while i took her picture because she "was glowing" those were my words, i didn't actually perceive the light visually, i just felt it if that makes any sense.
dtweiss
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 1 2008, 05:24 PM) *
If anyone wants a higher res image to analyze it email me and i will send you the original full size file.
Another note. I'm not a big picture taker but when i took that picture i felt an incredible feeling that is hard to describe. It felt like energy, or warmth, cant really explain it in words. I said to the girl in the picture to stop for a second while i took her picture because she "was glowing" those were my words, i didn't actually perceive the light visually, i just felt it if that makes any sense.



Here is the next shot without the light.
Super_Sasquatch
As stupid as it sounds. It could have just been a small snow flake reflecting light. Even without the flash it could have caught light from anywhere around you to make it light up like that.
dtweiss
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 1 2008, 05:33 PM) *
Here is the next shot without the light.



Actually that was the shot before the light one. Here is the next shot after.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Super_Sasquatch @ Mar 1 2008, 05:36 PM) *
As stupid as it sounds. It could have just been a small snow flake reflecting light. Even without the flash it could have caught light from anywhere around you to make it light up like that.



I thought of that but it was 55 degrees and raining. A rain drop couldn't have done such a sharp image like that. I have taken 100s of pics in the rain and there have never been even a small anomaly. I appreciate your response and am listening to all ideas.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Nucular @ Mar 1 2008, 03:00 PM) *
I thought along similar lines, but it seems the camera it was taken on was a Panasonic DMC-FX12, a 7.2mp digital camera. So, if the image data is correct, no negatives and no developers.

But looking at the anomaly, it doesn't look to me as if it's on the snow (no detail is visible through it), nor actually as if it's in the scene at all: I think it's maybe a light leak or something to do with the camera itself (I'm no expert here).

Certainly don't see anything paranormal though - if this was my image, I'd be worried about my new camera, not looking for ghosts original.gif



Wouldnt a light leak make a dark image not a light one and show up on subsequent pictures?
dtweiss
QUOTE (Nucular @ Mar 1 2008, 03:00 PM) *
I thought along similar lines, but it seems the camera it was taken on was a Panasonic DMC-FX12, a 7.2mp digital camera. So, if the image data is correct, no negatives and no developers.

But looking at the anomaly, it doesn't look to me as if it's on the snow (no detail is visible through it), nor actually as if it's in the scene at all: I think it's maybe a light leak or something to do with the camera itself (I'm no expert here).

Certainly don't see anything paranormal though - if this was my image, I'd be worried about my new camera, not looking for ghosts original.gif



Watchful
So is Nucular correct, DTWeiss, and you used a digital camera? Now, I have used both regular and digital cameras, and I am astonded to what caused that light spot, if it was a digital camera. Now, I understand some things may have been caused by raindrops, but I am not postive. I have a picture, taken by a regular camera, that has a flash shown in the middle of the picture, but it was also taken on a cloudy and drizzle day. I even shown the picture to a camera and photo expert, and he cannot understand where the white spot has come from.

I'm glad you posted the other two pictures, DTWeiss, because after looking at them with the interverted image of my paintshop, I see that the stretch marks, or what I thought as stretch marks, show up in the previous picture. Again, I'm at a lost of how that flash got there, if it's a digital. I'm still thinking about it.

I'm not ignoring your feeling you got that day, I'm also reflecting on that too.

Good photos!! thumbsup.gif
dtweiss
QUOTE (Watchful @ Mar 1 2008, 11:41 PM) *
So is Nucular correct, DTWeiss, and you used a digital camera? Now, I have used both regular and digital cameras, and I am astonded to what caused that light spot, if it was a digital camera. Now, I understand some things may have been caused by raindrops, but I am not postive. I have a picture, taken by a regular camera, that has a flash shown in the middle of the picture, but it was also taken on a cloudy and drizzle day. I even shown the picture to a camera and photo expert, and he cannot understand where the white spot has come from.

I'm glad you posted the other two pictures, DTWeiss, because after looking at them with the interverted image of my paintshop, I see that the stretch marks, or what I thought as stretch marks, show up in the previous picture. Again, I'm at a lost of how that flash got there, if it's a digital. I'm still thinking about it.

I'm not ignoring your feeling you got that day, I'm also reflecting on that too.

Good photos!! thumbsup.gif



Yes Nucular was exactly correct with it being that digital camera. What "stretch marks" not sure what you mean?

I also have another picture later that day of the same girl and i now noticed a tiny light in the middle of the picture under the frame on the wall. I don't think its anything but was wondering if you all agree that its nothing.

Im still interested in the snow picture because it is the most dramatic. Please pass it around to anyone that might have any knowledge on this.


dtweiss
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 2 2008, 12:06 AM) *
Yes Nucular was exactly correct with it being that digital camera. What "stretch marks" not sure what you mean?

I also have another picture later that day of the same girl and i now noticed a tiny light in the middle of the picture under the frame on the wall. I don't think its anything but was wondering if you all agree that its nothing.

Im still interested in the snow picture because it is the most dramatic. Please pass it around to anyone that might have any knowledge on this.



Same shot no girl no light??
HumanTorch
what are you a stalker laugh.gif

And that is really weird I would suggest taking multiple pics of her and if they all have light then it is something. If not chances are it is a anomaly in the camera. I suggest showing that pic to someone who develops pics and ask them if it happens to others.
rassy
One explanation of the first pic might be...if you used the flash when taking that pic, maybe a part of your jacket, like a cuff, got in the way. I saw a bit of her jacket near the neck stuck way out, perhaps yours did too? Maybe you were holding your gloves at the same time as taking the pic.... ; it definitely does not look like a camera strap.

I'm not saying that's what it is, but it might be one possible explanation.
dtweiss
QUOTE (nickynick360 @ Mar 2 2008, 12:24 AM) *
what are you a stalker laugh.gif

And that is really weird I would suggest taking multiple pics of her and if they all have light then it is something. If not chances are it is a anomaly in the camera. I suggest showing that pic to someone who develops pics and ask them if it happens to others.



Its a digital camera. No im not a stalker.
dtweiss
QUOTE (rassy @ Mar 2 2008, 02:42 AM) *
One explanation of the first pic might be...if you used the flash when taking that pic, maybe a part of your jacket, like a cuff, got in the way. I saw a bit of her jacket near the neck stuck way out, perhaps yours did too? Maybe you were holding your gloves at the same time as taking the pic.... ; it definitely does not look like a camera strap.

I'm not saying that's what it is, but it might be one possible explanation.



Thought of that. gloves were in between my knees. If it were something up next to the camera wouldn't it be out of focus? I was holding the camera away from me and looking at the screen.
NoahJaymes
Or you could contact the company who made the camera and ask them about similar camera flaws. Or ask them what could cause this. They would know more than a bunch of random people giving their opinion on a paranormal board. If they don't know then peak our interests.
Watchful
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 2 2008, 12:06 AM) *
Yes Nucular was exactly correct with it being that digital camera. What "stretch marks" not sure what you mean?

Well, looking at the introverted color's version, I see lines in the snow part next to your friend. They almost look like tire or wheel marks, made by a vehicle that rides on snow. Interesting enough, they seem more evident in the picture with the strange light.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Watchful @ Mar 2 2008, 11:34 PM) *
Well, looking at the introverted color's version, I see lines in the snow part next to your friend. They almost look like tire or wheel marks, made by a vehicle that rides on snow. Interesting enough, they seem more evident in the picture with the strange light.



OK, the lines are from the snow groomer. Does that give you any ideas? I actually would have written this entire thing off and not given it any attention if it weren't for the unexplainable feeling i had when i took the shot. If it is something "non physically " produced i am guessing it will go as unexplained. I guess i am just looking to see if there is a physical explanation for it at this point.
Thanks for your analysis.
HerNibs
Quick question - were you holding skipoles as well?

HN
SoKewl
wow that pictures is really amazing. i find it odd that no one has an explanation
cpjason
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 2 2008, 12:06 AM) *
Yes Nucular was exactly correct with it being that digital camera. What "stretch marks" not sure what you mean?

I also have another picture later that day of the same girl and i now noticed a tiny light in the middle of the picture under the frame on the wall. I don't think its anything but was wondering if you all agree that its nothing.

Im still interested in the snow picture because it is the most dramatic. Please pass it around to anyone that might have any knowledge on this.



This one is a reflective object orb, and it is one of the most common mistakes people make when looking for paranormal orbs. Even a lot of ghost hunters will be fooled by these.

The test for reflective objects is simple. You adjust the gamma to a very high level. This will cause any shiny objects with similar gamma signature to to show up on the photo. I will point out where the reflection is coming from in your photo. There are two objects that when your camera flash hit them, caused a reflection orb. These objects both have a very similar gamma signature to the orb and are in a direct line of the orb itself, so there is no doubt that is where it came from.

linked-image
Episteme
A couple of quick questions - the photos of the girl in the snow, were those the first two you took for that day? Or at least the first two you took in that series? Were all of the photos you took during that session a bit too dark or just the first few?
primordial
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 1 2008, 11:29 AM) *
Here is a picture i took at a ski resort. It was raining with thick cloud cover. There were no lights on anywhere around. Can anyone explain that light on the snow?


Odd picture. I have to agree that it was an malfunction and human error…what I have learn anyway. I have a little button on my Sony camera that has little BRK button that I just am getting used to with exposure compensations.
If it were Paranormal,..what can we do? Believe?

Photography
Watchful
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 3 2008, 11:13 AM) *
OK, the lines are from the snow groomer. Does that give you any ideas?


Actually, yes it does. I use to ski and have seen those on the trails sometimes. I thought those tracks look familiar. I feel embarassed into thinking it was stretched film.


QUOTE
I actually would have written this entire thing off and not given it any attention if it weren't for the unexplainable feeling i had when i took the shot. If it is something "non physically " produced i am guessing it will go as unexplained. I guess i am just looking to see if there is a physical explanation for it at this point.
Thanks for your analysis.
I am very curious about this feeling you had. I understand it. I get them all the time. I remember, camping by a lake the family went to all the time, when you get to a particular area of the lake by canoe, I would feel something not right. I always got it at the area. My sister told me, she used to feel the same thing at the place.
dtweiss
QUOTE (HerNibs @ Mar 3 2008, 11:33 AM) *
Quick question - were you holding skipoles as well?

HN



Good question. No, they were on the ground.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Watchful @ Mar 3 2008, 11:45 PM) *
Actually, yes it does. I use to ski and have seen those on the trails sometimes. I thought those tracks look familiar. I feel embarassed into thinking it was stretched film.


I am very curious about this feeling you had. I understand it. I get them all the time. I remember, camping by a lake the family went to all the time, when you get to a particular area of the lake by canoe, I would feel something not right. I always got it at the area. My sister told me, she used to feel the same thing at the place.



Its interesting that you say the feeling you got was "not right".
The feeling i got could both be described as really nice or as terrifying.
It was a different feeling than what i am use to.....
I've got nothing else to go on.
dtweiss
QUOTE (cpjason @ Mar 3 2008, 01:26 PM) *
This one is a reflective object orb, and it is one of the most common mistakes people make when looking for paranormal orbs. Even a lot of ghost hunters will be fooled by these.

The test for reflective objects is simple. You adjust the gamma to a very high level. This will cause any shiny objects with similar gamma signature to to show up on the photo. I will point out where the reflection is coming from in your photo. There are two objects that when your camera flash hit them, caused a reflection orb. These objects both have a very similar gamma signature to the orb and are in a direct line of the orb itself, so there is no doubt that is where it came from.

linked-image



Ill buy that. Its the other picture that I'm more interested in.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Episteme @ Mar 3 2008, 08:17 PM) *
A couple of quick questions - the photos of the girl in the snow, were those the first two you took for that day? Or at least the first two you took in that series? Were all of the photos you took during that session a bit too dark or just the first few?



Here are a bunch from before that shot
Watchful
by dtweiss:
QUOTE
Its interesting that you say the feeling you got was "not right".
The feeling i got could both be described as really nice or as terrifying.
It was a different feeling than what i am use to.....
I've got nothing else to go on.
Was that feeling, what ever it was, was it very intense? That is how I would also describe the feeling I had.

Edit: I wonder what history of that ski hill is. Like did anything tragic happened there?
Episteme
QUOTE (dtweiss @ Mar 5 2008, 03:40 PM) *
Here are a bunch from before that shot

Thanks, that blows my theory. I was thinking because the shots were so dark there could have been condensation on most of the lens but that one little bright area. When the levels are corrected on your first pic the anomoly disappears completely. Still strange that they're all so dark when the flash was used. Makes me wonder if there's an issue with the software in the camera which adjusts brightness/contrast (if it outputs jpg files). The only other thing it looks like it could be to me would be a string or camera strap, and you mentioned you didn't have anything like that when the picture was taken. The fourth picture you posted looks like there's a little something white creeping onto the frame on the left also. I suppose it could be something on the lens, but it doesn't seem likely as whatever it is appears to be illuminated from the flash. I'm tapped, but I'll keep an eye out if I see anything like it. Interesting pic, thanks for posting it.
dtweiss
QUOTE (Episteme @ Mar 5 2008, 09:49 PM) *
Thanks, that blows my theory. I was thinking because the shots were so dark there could have been condensation on most of the lens but that one little bright area. When the levels are corrected on your first pic the anomoly disappears completely. Still strange that they're all so dark when the flash was used. Makes me wonder if there's an issue with the software in the camera which adjusts brightness/contrast (if it outputs jpg files). The only other thing it looks like it could be to me would be a string or camera strap, and you mentioned you didn't have anything like that when the picture was taken. The fourth picture you posted looks like there's a little something white creeping onto the frame on the left also. I suppose it could be something on the lens, but it doesn't seem likely as whatever it is appears to be illuminated from the flash. I'm tapped, but I'll keep an eye out if I see anything like it. Interesting pic, thanks for posting it.



I see that light creeping in on the 5th picture. Interesting.....
Usually when something like a strap or anything gets in the frame it is most intense on the outer edge of the picture and fades out towards the middle.
If it were a light either from my flash or from another source behind me wouldn't the sharper edge be near the camera and it would fade out away from me?
The pictures were dark because it was dark. She was far enough away where the little flash on the camera gets dispersed and doesn't do very much.

SkylarYoung
I have seen pics like occur from film development but never from a digital camera. Thats a really interesting image you posted, I am going to get a friend to look at and see she has any ideas. She does a fair bit of work with her digital camera and photo editing for her job.

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