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Allegory
Very well put together piece of some CT.But cool to watch..and what if this WAS his real agenda?.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg...feature=related
Allegory
Here is the Actual interview from wich the first one i posted was taken from.If you watch him,and his mannerisim's, you will see that he is not only avoiding direct questions,he is trying to pretty it up.I dont know who he thinks he is fooling.I can see why the interview was banned.Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9is...feature=related
Zaus
WHO YOU THINK HE'S FOOLING?????? WAKE UP ITS PRACTICALLY ALL OF AMERICA AND EUROPE!!!!!!
MID
QUOTE (Allegory @ Mar 2 2008, 12:49 AM) *
Here is the Actual interview from wich the first one i posted was taken from.If you watch him,and his mannerisim's, you will see that he is not only avoiding direct questions,he is trying to pretty it up.I dont know who he thinks he is fooling.I can see why the interview was banned.Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fze2J2Ve9is...feature=related



If it was banned...
How would it get on youtube?

Amazing how much though goes into some of these interpretations...
This amazing Bush hatred thing that so many people seem to have, a dislike without really being able to say why, infects so many things that it's just amazing...people's interpretations of nothing but simple, direct answers are so skewed by this hatred that it's, well, astounding.

What is apparent firstly is that this interview, obviously taped for Irish TV, wasn't "banned"...since it's on youtube.


...duh.

Also obvious is that the reporter was borderline antagonistic, but realized that she had to stop interrupting the President of the United States in the middle of an answer. He handled her, and avoided nothing.

In fact, he repeatedly asked her to allow him to answer, and asked for followups.
But she didn't have any follow ups ...because his answers rendered then null.

All that's apparent is that she mellowed, and her initial strategy didn't work. He handled her.
And that's about all that can really be seen here.



MID
QUOTE (Zaus @ Mar 2 2008, 06:03 AM) *
WHO YOU THINK HE'S FOOLING?????? WAKE UP ITS PRACTICALLY ALL OF AMERICA AND EUROPE!!!!!!




I don't think he fooled anybody, as he was rather clear...save those who assign irrational interpretations to really rather simple things, like the President's answers to the question he was provided with in this interview.
MID
QUOTE (Allegory @ Mar 2 2008, 12:36 AM) *
Very well put together piece of some CT.But cool to watch..and what if this WAS his real agenda?.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg...feature=related



Sure is well put together.
Nonetheless, someone's going to believe this crafty edit, which is one of the fallacies of the Internet that we just have to live with, it seems....


Allegory
Seem's as though you really like Bush.That is nice.Happy for you.Of course there should be no hate,none at all.Yet,here is a man,the president of the United States,who has helped make america better how?Maybe he helped boost sales of canaidian flags that people put on thier backpacks when traveling because he has made so much peace,and trust through out the world.Im sure that the almost ONE MILLION iraq people that have been killed,most of them innocent civilians,would agree with you.He should not be hated for making the world a better place.He should be loved for the kind and caring gentle man that he is.And he wants nothing but for america to be safe.Yes of course.Oh,and there is no recession,we are winning the war(wich shouldnt have even started) and all is good in the world.Because of a man that was brave enough to obliterate some poor country with NO WMD'S.(even though he swore up and down there was) Is iraq better now?Is america safer?Is bush Hated?I hate no one,personaly.Not real fond of ignorance.
MID
QUOTE (Allegory @ Mar 2 2008, 02:05 PM) *
Seem's as though you really like Bush.That is nice.Happy for you.Of course there should be no hate,none at all.Yet,here is a man,the president of the United States,who has helped make america better how?


Actually, I am not entirely happy with President Bush.
I think he's done plenty that's been of great benefit, but there are certain things he's done that I am against...or at least not enthusiastic about. As with anyone, practically, there are things that could've been handled better.

And frankly, I was simply addressing the all-too-common mis-interpretation of something rather clear on that video-taped interview...not my personal opinion about the President.

His job has been exceedingly difficult, so I cannot judge the man for those things I disagree with. Nonetheless, dealing with terrorism and the enemy that became apparent has made America a better, stronger place. His tax reductions have clearly produced huge economic growth, illustrating a basic economic principal that several Presidents understood and illustrated clearly...like Kennedy and Reagan.


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Maybe he helped boost sales of canaidian flags that people put on thier backpacks when traveling because he has made so much peace,and trust through out the world.Im sure that the almost ONE MILLION iraq people that have been killed,most of them innocent civilians,would agree with you


You, like so many, quote an unreliable and unsubstantiated number of civilian deaths in Iraq. There is no accurate accounting of this number, and it varies depending on the source cited from 50,000 to 1.2 million.

Odds are, it likely falls in the lower range of that parameter. Further, it is clear that the vast majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are the responsibility of this particular enemy that we fight...and, the actual number doesn't approach the number of deaths that Hussein caused his own people during his reign...

The fact is, most Iraqis appreciate the effort the U.S. has put forth, and the sacrifices they've made.



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.He should not be hated for making the world a better place.He should be loved for the kind and caring gentle man that he is.And he wants nothing but for america to be safe.Yes of course.Oh,and there is no recession,we are winning the war(wich shouldnt have even started) and all is good in the world.Because of a man that was brave enough to obliterate some poor country with NO WMD'S.(even though he swore up and down there was) Is iraq better now?Is america safer?Is bush Hated?I hate no one,personaly.Not real fond of ignorance.


The words of someone who is influenced by almost radical leftist rhetoric, and who doesn't see the obvious.
Nonsensical statements designed to cover up a lack...

The President does in fact want America to be safe (hint: that's one of his primary jobs as President), and he's done a half decent job at that aspect.

We are in fact winning the war, and we must.

There is no recession, where have you been for the last 8 years? Further, perhaps you weren't expecting another recession sometime...and relish the idea that one might occur in the last year of the Bush Presidency? It's going to happen, you know, despite the President. Want to see a real recession, and inflation climbing to double digits again? Oh, just go ahead and elect a Democrat to the White House in '08 (without, of course seeing to it that a conservative Congress gets installed)...that'll make America better for sure!

There were WMDs. Hussein used them. The evidence for them was found, the man represented a threat, and we've been all through the nonsense surrounding the fact that we didn't find actives when we got there (duh...that's a tough one to understand...).


There was no "poor" country obliterated. There was a tyranical monarchy deposed. It just so happens that the enemy decided to make Iraq their battle ground, and there we fight them.


Things could be worse. Things could be a lot better as well.
One thing is for sure, there's pretty slim pickins' for President in 2008, and little hope of things getting too much better in the next 4 years...it's just the nature of the political game that the strongest candidates are no longer in the race...

However, things can and will get alot worse for America, depending on whether one of those Democrats (you know, the rock star without substance or the throw back to an era we don't need to repeat) gets elected or not. If so, you'll see things get worse in a big way, and all your crying about casualties in Iraq will be nullified by the disaster that occurs as a result of President Obama's, or President Clinton's (Jesus) pull out. That, and the fact that 4 years from now, we'll be paying $4.00-$5.00 per gallon of gasoline, with no hope of gaining energy independence and actually researching alternative energy sources, and that tax bill; you'll be paying to fund what shall rapidly be deemed a complete failure of a socialized medicine program...


And we'll still have the ineffectual Peolsi and Reid as majority leaders in the Congress, without the correct votes in November....wow...it can only get better.




Allegory
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 2 2008, 12:28 PM) *
Actually, I am not entirely happy with President Bush.
I think he's done plenty that's been of great benefit, but there are certain things he's done that I am against...or at least not enthusiastic about. As with anyone, practically, there are things that could've been handled better.

And frankly, I was simply addressing the all-too-common mis-interpretation of something rather clear on that video-taped interview...not my personal opinion about the President.

His job has been exceedingly difficult, so I cannot judge the man for those things I disagree with. Nonetheless, dealing with terrorism and the enemy that became apparent has made America a better, stronger place. His tax reductions have clearly produced huge economic growth, illustrating a basic economic principal that several Presidents understood and illustrated clearly...like Kennedy and Reagan.




You, like so many, quote an unreliable and unsubstantiated number of civilian deaths in Iraq. There is no accurate accounting of this number, and it varies depending on the source cited from 50,000 to 1.2 million.

Odds are, it likely falls in the lower range of that parameter. Further, it is clear that the vast majority of civilian deaths in Iraq are the responsibility of this particular enemy that we fight...and, the actual number doesn't approach the number of deaths that Hussein caused his own people during his reign...

The fact is, most Iraqis appreciate the effort the U.S. has put forth, and the sacrifices they've made.





The words of someone who is influenced by almost radical leftist rhetoric, and who doesn't see the obvious.
Nonsensical statements designed to cover up a lack...

The President does in fact want America to be safe (hint: that's one of his primary jobs as President), and he's done a half decent job at that aspect.

We are in fact winning the war, and we must.

There is no recession, where have you been for the last 8 years? Further, perhaps you weren't expecting another recession sometime...and relish the idea that one might occur in the last year of the Bush Presidency? It's going to happen, you know, despite the President. Want to see a real recession, and inflation climbing to double digits again? Oh, just go ahead and elect a Democrat to the White House in '08 (without, of course seeing to it that a conservative Congress gets installed)...that'll make America better for sure!

There were WMDs. Hussein used them. The evidence for them was found, the man represented a threat, and we've been all through the nonsense surrounding the fact that we didn't find actives when we got there (duh...that's a tough one to understand...).


There was no "poor" country obliterated. There was a tyranical monarchy deposed. It just so happens that the enemy decided to make Iraq their battle ground, and there we fight them.


Things could be worse. Things could be a lot better as well.
One thing is for sure, there's pretty slim pickins' for President in 2008, and little hope of things getting too much better in the next 4 years...it's just the nature of the political game that the strongest candidates are no longer in the race...

However, things can and will get alot worse for America, depending on whether one of those Democrats (you know, the rock star without substance or the throw back to an era we don't need to repeat) gets elected or not. If so, you'll see things get worse in a big way, and all your crying about casualties in Iraq will be nullified by the disaster that occurs as a result of President Obama's, or President Clinton's (Jesus) pull out. That, and the fact that 4 years from now, we'll be paying $4.00-$5.00 per gallon of gasoline, with no hope of gaining energy independence and actually researching alternative energy sources, and that tax bill; you'll be paying to fund what shall rapidly be deemed a complete failure of a socialized medicine program...


And we'll still have the ineffectual Peolsi and Reid as majority leaders in the Congress, without the correct votes in November....wow...it can only get better.

It will get much worse before it get's better.And that is a shame.But for sure you are entitiled to your opinion.At least until they take away your right to free speech.Or be called a terrorist for your views.But by then it wont matter much when you cant even say what's on you're mind.You do know they can hold you for as long as they want without charging you,right?Rights...Ahh...soon to be a thing of the past.If we let it.Wanna talk about all the laws that have been enacted to "protect us"?Not that they wanna take away you're right's,no sir.JUST TRYING TO PROTECT.Or as i like to call it,CONTROL....Peace....
DONTEATUS
thumbup.gif afterall he is the decider! LOL rofl.gif
SkylarYoung
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 2 2008, 12:28 PM) *
There is no recession, where have you been for the last 8 years? Further, perhaps you weren't expecting another recession sometime...and relish the idea that one might occur in the last year of the Bush Presidency? It's going to happen, you know, despite the President. Want to see a real recession, and inflation climbing to double digits again? Oh, just go ahead and elect a Democrat to the White House in '08 (without, of course seeing to it that a conservative Congress gets installed)...that'll make America better for sure!


How can you say there is no recession in the US? Read this: http://realestate.msn.com/buying/articlene...cumentid=340866
Former President Bill Clinton a democrat and a Republican lead Senate and Congress left the the country the country in a very well off state. Bush has driven down the economy to such a point that it has become a critical situation for Americans. In the US the rich are getting richer and everyone else is getting poorer.


The American people are fooled by the American Media. The rest of the world can see what type of problem the US is heading for, you have to ask why can't the American people see this?
DONTEATUS
Just get out there and vote its your right and only time you can say you really tryed. angry.gif
MID
QUOTE (SkylarYoung @ Mar 3 2008, 09:35 AM) *
How can you say there is no recession in the US? Read this: http://realestate.msn.com/buying/articlene...cumentid=340866
Former President Bill Clinton a democrat and a Republican lead Senate and Congress left the the country the country in a very well off state. Bush has driven down the economy to such a point that it has become a critical situation for Americans. In the US the rich are getting richer and everyone else is getting poorer.


The American people are fooled by the American Media. The rest of the world can see what type of problem the US is heading for, you have to ask why can't the American people see this?


I can say so because I am an AMERICAN...you know, one who actually lives in America and can see what's been happening...

You're absolutely right. The American people are indeed fooled by the American media. That's why (fortunately, a minority, but a significant one) buy into various forms of media non-sense.


Apparently, some folks from Canada do too.
If you think the recession that was in place when Clinton left office was a "well off state", then I think that media did it's job.
Further, if you think the economic boom that has occurred since the Bush tax cuts is a "critical" situation...again, I think the media has done it's job very, very well.

The "rich" in the Unites States get rich because of their own actions. Any one who gets poor gets their for a variety of reasons, most of which involve their own volition.


You really have no idea what you're talking about...but you obviously have a liberally biased media in Canada as well, because you sound like a common left-wing democrat in America.


DONTEATUS
bounce.gif Yeah! What MID said! we in america need to get off our behinds and start doing sumptin about the world. We do have a say and CAN make a difference.
Zaus
The american people are indeed fooled by the media, but why wouldn't that extend into the rest of entertainment? Politics only fool the political people, it doesn't fool anyone else... so they need economic and business crap to fool the entrepreneur's, TV and movies to fool the people trying to escape reality(more reality is being recounted than they realize), Sports stuff keeps the sports people fooled, and comedians(modern day philosophers) keep the rest of us happy.

Its atleast as old as rome, if not egypt. Beauty, Luxury, Strength, ultimately a field of death for innocent people and whatever else they could manage to kill. All the while doing all the elite BS and condoning slavery.

Take for instance America™, did you ever stop and think about what it means to be in a "free" country?

Im not saying america is particularly very free at all, and it WILL get ALOT worse SOON, but compared to most other places in the world right now americans indulge fairly often in material pleasure's. These "material pleasure's" however mostly come from third-world sweatshops, and since the companies outsourcing are saving incredible amounts of money, and therefore they have more to funnel into promotion with which to advertise their cheap slave-made clothes, electronics, furniture.

Now look at everything around you and find out where it was made, don't you get it? EVERYTHING is at one point disassembled and freely existing as it should naturally.
The uber-industrial-manufacturing titans collect, purify, and assemble materials from the EARTH.
We didn't "discover" electricity, it was already there. We simply perverted it and used it to make money, just like everything these days.

DO WE NEED BRATZ??!?!?!!
SEXUAL ADVERTISEMENT FOR CHILDREN? This is what we have been reduced to...
and yes it is being mass produced, for a mass audience, just as all over television is mass produced for a mass audience.
SkylarYoung
QUOTE (MID @ Mar 3 2008, 04:35 PM) *
I can say so because I am an AMERICAN...you know, one who actually lives in America and can see what's been happening...

You're absolutely right. The American people are indeed fooled by the American media. That's why (fortunately, a minority, but a significant one) buy into various forms of media non-sense.


Apparently, some folks from Canada do too.
If you think the recession that was in place when Clinton left office was a "well off state", then I think that media did it's job.
Further, if you think the economic boom that has occurred since the Bush tax cuts is a "critical" situation...again, I think the media has done it's job very, very well.

The "rich" in the Unites States get rich because of their own actions. Any one who gets poor gets their for a variety of reasons, most of which involve their own volition.

You really have no idea what you're talking about...but you obviously have a liberally biased media in Canada as well, because you sound like a common left-wing democrat in America.


When Clinton left office there was a recession in place, but it was only short lived. The will happen in an economy periodically. The United states deficit is increasing at an alarming rate. The Value of US greenback is decreasing against every major from of Currency. The Canadian Dollar is at par with the US dollar, its been that way for a long time( A year, give or take a bit). Back in 2005 the US trade deficit was at record highs, 5 years later after Bush was elected. There was am economic turn around when Bush was elected, that lasted nearly till the War in Iraq occurred. Only last year did the trade decline, but it was still over 700 billion. Th unemployment rate is the highest its been in 5 years and continues to grow. The key lending rate in the US has dropped 3 or 4 times since August. A lead indicator of how bad things are is a sign as to how well the housing market is doing. In a good economic state, the foreclosure rates shouldn't be as high as they are. People would have money to spend on housing if the Bush tax cuts were really helping.

You may be fortunate and live in an area of the US that is still doing somewhat well and are unable to see for yourself what is going on in a majority of the US. I am not left wing nor would I consider myself a democrat! Canada does seem to have a more of an unbias media than the US, if those are the statements you are making.
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